F-22 Stealth Fighter Cover-up?

[waltky]

Solution to F-22 hypoxia problem?...

Air Force Tests New System to Monitor for Hypoxia Problems
September 18, 2017 — The Air Force is testing a breathing and cockpit environment monitoring system developed by Cobham to provide data to address the continuing problem of pilots developing hypoxia-like symptoms.

The military “doesn’t know what’s at the root of the problem, and Cobham doesn’t either. Nobody does,” said Rob Schaeffer, business management developer for Cobham Mission Systems Division. But he said the Cobham system could help pinpoint the solution. At the Air Force Association’s Air, Space and Cyber Conference on Monday, Schaeffer said the company had delivered eight of its inhalation monitors in June to the U.S. Air Force School of Aerospace Medicine (USAFSAM) for testing. Another eight units of the exhalation monitors will be delivered to USAFSAM later this month. Schaeffer said the Navy has also shown interest in testing the systems.

The inhalation sensor block is attached to a chest-mounted breathing regulator or integrated terminal block. The exhalation sensor can sit inside a vest pocket so as not to impede the pilot's field of regard.​

The latest from the U.K. defense company comes amid news that the Air Force plans to modify flight equipment for the F-35 such as the pilot vest and breathing mask, according to a report from Aviation Week. The Air Force has reduced the flight vest weight by 10 pounds to relieve chest pressure, and has moved to replace faulty exhalation valves found in the masks after testing, officials told AvWeek at the conference. Cobham’s system has inhalation and exhalation monitors that fit in a flight vest pocket. The inhalation monitor is designed to measure oxygen pressure, temperature, pressure within the breathing hose, humidity and other factors. The exhalation monitor checks oxygen pressure, expired carbon dioxide, and pressure within the mask, among other variables.

In June, the Air Force grounded some of its F-35A Joint Strike Fighters following incidents in which pilots reported hypoxia-like symptoms while flying. The groundings renewed attention on hypoxia, a physical condition caused by oxygen deficiency that may result in temporary cognitive and physiological impairment and possible loss of consciousness. In recent years, hypoxia has also affected pilots of F-22 Raptor, F/A-18 Hornet and T-45 Goshawk aircraft. The problem gained national attention in 2010 after an F-22 crashed and the pilot was killed following a suspected loss of oxygen.

Air Force Tests New System to Monitor for Hypoxia Problems - Defensetech

 

[waltky]

Hypoxia starting to affect A-10's...

A-10 Pilots Report Hypoxia-Like Incidents at Davis-Monthan AFB
11 Jan 2018 - More than two dozen A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, Arizona, didn't fly in late November after two pilots reported they experienced hypoxia-like symptoms while flying.

In both incidents, which occurred the week of Nov. 27, "the aircraft's backup oxygen supply system operated as designed and the pilots followed the correct procedures to safely land the aircraft," said Capt. Joshua Benedetti, spokesman for the 355th Fighter Wing. Benedetti said one of the aircraft was equipped with the Onboard Oxygen Generation System, commonly known as OBOGS, while the other was equipped with the Liquid Oxygen System, or LOX. "An additional pilot reported a ground incident associated with the A-10's oxygen system that same week," he said. The Air Force "quickly determined the issue with the LOX-equipped aircraft was related to a malfunction with the cabin pressure and oxygen regulator. Those issues were fixed immediately," Benedetti said.

To properly inspect the OBOGS-equipped aircraft -- 28 of the total 85 A-10s on base -- the service grounded those jets for about a week, he said. Despite those efforts, the service is still seeking answers to figure out how the incidents occurred. "At this point, we have not determined a root cause," Benedetti said. "During the course of the investigation, we have identified how we could better maintain the system by cleaning the water separator drain and associated piping with pressurized air, which may help prevent corrosion found in some of the piping. Additionally, we made the pilot preflight OBOGS procedure more prescriptive," he said.

A U.S. Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt II sits beneath a sunshade at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, Ariz.​

While the 28 aircraft stood down operations, missions on base continued with the remaining 57 LOX-equipped aircraft. "We resumed flying with all LOX and OBOGS aircraft less than a week later, and there have been no incidents since," Benedetti said. He added, "The Air Force takes these physiological incidents seriously, and our focus is on the safety and well-being of our pilots." Officials at Davis-Monthan said they will continue to share information on the OBOGS aircraft with other A-10 units so proper precautions may be taken.

In June, the 56th Fighter Wing at Luke Air Force Base, Arizona, halted operations for all F-35As there after pilots complained of hypoxia-related issues. In succeeding days, the Air Force established initiatives to keep pilots safe and to avoid experiencing symptoms -- shortness of breath, confusion, wheezing -- in flight. Those initiatives include a backup oxygen system, wearable technology to monitor pilots' oxygen levels, and a restriction on how high pilots could take the craft. The F-35s at Luke resumed flight that same month. Currently a total of 61 F-35As are assigned to Luke. A root cause for those incidents has not been found.

A-10 Pilots Report Hypoxia-Like Incidents at Davis-Monthan AFB

 

[waltky]

Hypoxia problem shows up in prop trainer...

T-6 Texan Trainers Grounded Again After Hypoxia Incidents
1 Feb 2018 - The Air Force has ordered an indefinite operational pause for all T-6 Texan II trainer aircraft after reports of more hypoxia-related incidents.

The 19th Air Force, under Air Education and Training Command, issued a guidance Wednesday to stand down operations after a cluster of unexplained physiological events occurred at Columbus Air Force Base, Mississippi; Vance Air Force Base, Oklahoma; and Sheppard Air Force Base, Texas, within the last week, officials said in a release. The pause began Feb. 1 to enable the service to examine "the root causes of the incidents, educate and listen to aircrew, develop and deliver mitigation solutions," the release said. "The safety of our instructors and student pilots is paramount and has been our priority and focus," said Maj. Gen. Patrick Doherty, 19th Air Force commander. "We're acting swiftly, making temporary, but necessary, changes to everyone's training, general awareness, checklist procedures, and [may] possibly modify aircrew flying equipment to mitigate risk to the aircrew while we tackle this issue head-on to safeguard everyone flying T-6s," Doherty said in the release.

The news broke after the Facebook group, Air Force Amn/nco/snco -- which is popular within the Air Force but isn't officially run by the service -- obtained an email from Doherty, at first stating that solo flights for instructor and student pilots had been suspended "until further notice" over the growing concerns of unexplained physiological events. The 19th Air Force is responsible for training more than 30,000 U.S. and allied students annually in various specialties, including pilot training. According to the Air Force, instructor pilot training in the T-6A began at Randolph Air Force Base, Texas, in 2000, while Joint Primary Pilot Training, or JPPT, began in October 2001 at Moody Air Force Base, Georgia. JPPT is currently held at Columbus AFB; Vance AFB; and Laughlin and Sheppard Air Force Bases in Texas, according to the service's T-6 factsheet. This is just the latest in a series of hypoxia-related incidents for the Air Force. The T-6A fleet at Vance's 71st Flying Training Wing was grounded in November after a handful of pilots observed hypoxia-like symptoms -- shortness of breath, confusion, wheezing -- in flight.

The T-6A Texan II is a single-engine, two-seat primary trainer designed to train Joint Primary Pilot Training, or JPPT, students in basic flying skills common to U.S. Air Force and Navy pilots.​

More than 100 of the trainers were put on operational pause between Nov. 15 and Dec. 5. However, officials could not pinpoint the origin of the incidents. "No specific root cause for the physiological events was identified during two weeks of investigation by aviation, medical, functional and industry experts," according to an Air Force release at the time. "However, specific concerns were eliminated as possible causes, including maintenance and aircrew flight equipment procedures." In January, the service announced it had created a new investigative team to research and record ongoing hypoxia episodes in hopes of minimizing future incidents. Brig. Gen. Bobbi Jo Doorenbos, currently special assistant to the director of the Air National Guard, was named to head the "Unexplained Physiologic Events Integration Team." The AETC on Wednesday said officials are relying on the team to pinpoint the problem. "... Doorenbos is leading the team and will work closely with 19th Air Force, AETC, and other [major commands] to examine the causes of these incidents and ensure industry and enterprise-wide solutions are given high priority to find root causes and deliver solutions across all weapon systems," it said in a statement.

Aside from the T-6, more than two dozen A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, Arizona, didn't fly in late November after two pilots reported they experienced hypoxia symptoms. In June, the 56th Fighter Wing at Luke Air Force Base, Arizona, halted operations for all F-35As there after pilots complained of hypoxia-related issues. In succeeding days, the Air Force established initiatives to keep pilots safe and to avoid experiencing symptoms in flight, and the F-35s were back in the air that same month. A root cause for all these incidents has not been determined. While physiological events aren't common, the service has said it has seen an increase in pilots reporting the hazardous events. "The probability that a pilot will experience a physiological event is less than 1 percent per year," Doorenbos said last month. "Still, we are aggressively addressing these events and communicating with aircrew so they remain confident in their aircraft and weapon systems," she said.

T-6 Texan Trainers Grounded Again After Hypoxia Incidents

 

[Inmar]

The production of F22 is discontinued and will not be more resurrected, since the plane has not lived up to expectations and is too expensive. America has no more aircraft of the 5th generation.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The production of F22 is discontinued and will not be more resurrected, since the plane has not lived up to expectations and is too expensive. America has no more aircraft of the 5th generation.

Actually, it has lived up to what is expected. It was expected to make Russian and China stay very worried and spend oodles of money and resources to try and catch up. It's still the best of the best for Air to Air. But the Best won't stay in that position for long.

One of the reasons it was cancelled was due to money. It's expensive. Here are other reasons.

With them learning how to do construction of a Stealth Fighter like the F-35, there were leaps in methods of construction that can't really be used on the F-22. The F-22 is a purpose built bird with no real room for expansion. The F-35 had space and capability extra room designed in. It won't affect the F-35 but it will the followon fighter to replace the F-22.

The technology is from the 1990s on the F-22. Okay, if it were Russian it would cutting edge today. But since Russia is about 20 years behind, it's no wonder that in the next 5 years, the Russians might catch up. This will mean that they have to have a complete new design (sorry, the SU-57 is an older design and 5th gen in name only. The F-15E fairs as good overall as the SU-57) from the ground up. You can add another 10 years or so to the Russian Time Frame just to reach parity. Russia will get parity somewhere around 2030. Meanwhile, the followon fighter for the F-22 comes out no later than 2035 and the Russians are once again 20 years behind. And don't tell me that they will miraculously introduce a 6th Gen. You have to learn how to build a 5th gen first.

One of the things that the 6th gen fighter will borrow from the F-35 is how it's sensors work. On the F-35, all it's leading, trailing and side edges have sensors built in. The 6th gen just takes that a step further and the whole AC is a sensor. You can't do that with the F-22. Just like Russia, the US needs to start with a clean design and go from there. The good news is, the 6th gen US Fighter will cost less than if we tried to adapt the F-22 and kept it in production since it is borrowing from both the F-22 and F-35 and expanding on it.

Be happy that the F-22 has never had to do the job it was built for. It's one of the reasons that it never happened.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The F35 fighter jet is superior to the F22. Why bother with F22?

How do you figure that?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The F35 fighter jet is superior to the F22. Why bother with F22?

How do you figure that?

I think it all depends on the job. In Air to Air, the F-22 is supreme right now. But when you start going for contested ground attack then the F-35 has the nod for that. Each one is tailored to do one thing exceptional but can also do the others job just not as well as the other.

The detractors ding the F-35 because it can't do it all. Especially as well as air interdictor like the F-22. But the same can be said for the F-22 for contested ground attack. Only if you absolutely have to use either for the job that they can do but not as well as the other may happen but it's not suggested nor wanted.

The F-22 will be working with the F-15 for air to air. The lack of external missiles really isn't a factor since the F-15 is the missile truck and the F-22 can take over any one of those. Just like the F-16 becomes the bomb truck for the F-35. They are practicing that now and it works.

In real life, it's not just one on one. It's a huge number against a huge number. Will there be losses of F-22s and F-35s? Yes, nothing comes free. But how many SU-35s, SU-30s and SU-27 along with radar sites will be lost by the other side?

 

[Selivan]

I like the American F-22 ...
He is very beautiful, like a girl ...
It remains only to connect his brains and put on a Russian fur coat, so that these "brains" do not freeze in the Arctic regions ...
Then, the Russians will let him fly ...
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Otherwise, the "electronics" will freeze the back ...
Russian - good, so take care of your health

 

[Inmar]

The production of F22 is discontinued and will not be more resurrected, since the plane has not lived up to expectations and is too expensive. America has no more aircraft of the 5th generation.

Actually, it has lived up to what is expected. It was expected to make Russian and China stay very worried and spend oodles of money and resources to try and catch up. It's still the best of the best for Air to Air. But the Best won't stay in that position for long.

One of the reasons it was cancelled was due to money. It's expensive. Here are other reasons.

With them learning how to do construction of a Stealth Fighter like the F-35, there were leaps in methods of construction that can't really be used on the F-22. The F-22 is a purpose built bird with no real room for expansion. The F-35 had space and capability extra room designed in. It won't affect the F-35 but it will the followon fighter to replace the F-22.

The technology is from the 1990s on the F-22. Okay, if it were Russian it would cutting edge today. But since Russia is about 20 years behind, it's no wonder that in the next 5 years, the Russians might catch up. This will mean that they have to have a complete new design (sorry, the SU-57 is an older design and 5th gen in name only. The F-15E fairs as good overall as the SU-57) from the ground up. You can add another 10 years or so to the Russian Time Frame just to reach parity. Russia will get parity somewhere around 2030. Meanwhile, the followon fighter for the F-22 comes out no later than 2035 and the Russians are once again 20 years behind. And don't tell me that they will miraculously introduce a 6th Gen. You have to learn how to build a 5th gen first.

One of the things that the 6th gen fighter will borrow from the F-35 is how it's sensors work. On the F-35, all it's leading, trailing and side edges have sensors built in. The 6th gen just takes that a step further and the whole AC is a sensor. You can't do that with the F-22. Just like Russia, the US needs to start with a clean design and go from there. The good news is, the 6th gen US Fighter will cost less than if we tried to adapt the F-22 and kept it in production since it is borrowing from both the F-22 and F-35 and expanding on it.

Be happy that the F-22 has never had to do the job it was built for. It's one of the reasons that it never happened.

When you prove American thought, then you must give references to the publication of the mass media enemy. The rest is empty chatter. note We never show Russian references about the disgrace of the American army. We show only your materials.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The production of F22 is discontinued and will not be more resurrected, since the plane has not lived up to expectations and is too expensive. America has no more aircraft of the 5th generation.

Actually, it has lived up to what is expected. It was expected to make Russian and China stay very worried and spend oodles of money and resources to try and catch up. It's still the best of the best for Air to Air. But the Best won't stay in that position for long.

One of the reasons it was cancelled was due to money. It's expensive. Here are other reasons.

With them learning how to do construction of a Stealth Fighter like the F-35, there were leaps in methods of construction that can't really be used on the F-22. The F-22 is a purpose built bird with no real room for expansion. The F-35 had space and capability extra room designed in. It won't affect the F-35 but it will the followon fighter to replace the F-22.

The technology is from the 1990s on the F-22. Okay, if it were Russian it would cutting edge today. But since Russia is about 20 years behind, it's no wonder that in the next 5 years, the Russians might catch up. This will mean that they have to have a complete new design (sorry, the SU-57 is an older design and 5th gen in name only. The F-15E fairs as good overall as the SU-57) from the ground up. You can add another 10 years or so to the Russian Time Frame just to reach parity. Russia will get parity somewhere around 2030. Meanwhile, the followon fighter for the F-22 comes out no later than 2035 and the Russians are once again 20 years behind. And don't tell me that they will miraculously introduce a 6th Gen. You have to learn how to build a 5th gen first.

One of the things that the 6th gen fighter will borrow from the F-35 is how it's sensors work. On the F-35, all it's leading, trailing and side edges have sensors built in. The 6th gen just takes that a step further and the whole AC is a sensor. You can't do that with the F-22. Just like Russia, the US needs to start with a clean design and go from there. The good news is, the 6th gen US Fighter will cost less than if we tried to adapt the F-22 and kept it in production since it is borrowing from both the F-22 and F-35 and expanding on it.

Be happy that the F-22 has never had to do the job it was built for. It's one of the reasons that it never happened.

When you prove American thought, then you must give references to the publication of the mass media enemy. The rest is empty chatter. note We never show Russian references about the disgrace of the American army. We show only your materials.

I also give reference to over 20 years in USAF. And all you really see in action is the small units of the US Army and Marines. The last time the 82nd was used they were way too rough for Afghanistan. They had to be pulled. You see, the normal Army is there to break things, blow things up and kill a lot of people fast. And they are very good at it. But the only way they can be used is a large scale war. The definately aren't Policemen. So they use small scale specially trained units.

 

[Selivan]

I also give reference to over 20 years in USAF. And all you really see in action is the small units of the US Army and Marines. The last time the 82nd was used they were way too rough for Afghanistan. They had to be pulled. You see, the normal Army is there to break things, blow things up and kill a lot of people fast. And they are very good at it. But the only way they can be used is a large scale war. The definately aren't Policemen. So they use small scale specially trained units.

it is not interesting.
You were told that you should give references to the Russian media, in which they say that your fighter really exists ...
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If the Russians will prove to you that they have the best fighter, they will only give American references

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I also give reference to over 20 years in USAF. And all you really see in action is the small units of the US Army and Marines. The last time the 82nd was used they were way too rough for Afghanistan. They had to be pulled. You see, the normal Army is there to break things, blow things up and kill a lot of people fast. And they are very good at it. But the only way they can be used is a large scale war. The definately aren't Policemen. So they use small scale specially trained units.

it is not interesting.
You were told that you should give references to the Russian media, in which they say that your fighter really exists ...
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If the Russians will prove to you that they have the best fighter, they will only give American references

Yah, right. The Russian Media is controlled by the State and NO state will ever admit that the other side has the better anything. You seem to sell us very short. We understand Nationalism at a degree at least equal to a Russian. But our Media is not state controlled otherwise it would be a lot less messy over here.

 

[Inmar]

the Russian Media is controlled by the Statе.....

And the Russians do not have access to the Internet.

 

[Selivan]

Yah, right. The Russian Media is controlled by the State and NO state will ever admit that the other side has the better anything. You seem to sell us very short. We understand Nationalism at a degree at least equal to a Russian. But our Media is not state controlled otherwise it would be a lot less messy over here.

In the Russian media, you can say whatever you want.
To scold the government, Putin, to demand the collapse of Russia, to ask for sanctions against Russia.
It can be done by any politician and even by a presidential candidate.
Not only on the Internet, but also on radio and central television channels.

Even more:
Opposition media, which say the biggest shit, are sponsored by the Government.
like this Эхо Москвы - новости, радио, политика, экономика, особое мнение
People listen to what they say and will never vote for them. It's good...

I'll tell you a secret:
- The USSR forbade such a mass media
- Russia, on the contrary, supports. This is a good strategic move, since people will never support them.
Look at this forum - there is such a character here. The more he craps, the better

Other opposition media outlets are sponsored from America by "black cash"

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There is nothing like this in America, because you do not have democracy and freedom.
You just tell the tales that monopolies allow you.
There is no opposition in America.
Sponsorship of the American media and political parties from abroad is prohibited.
If any of your politicians say on television a phrase meaning "I do not like America," then he will end his career and be sent to ignore. Maybe then the CIA will find compromising evidence against him and he will be put in jail for some other crime ...
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Why can I say this?
1. I lived in America and live in Russia
2. I speak Russian and English and can read any press
3. I can compare sources of information

Why can not you argue?
1. You have never been to Russia
2. You do not speak Russian and can only read the American press
3. You can not compare sources of information
Therefore, you have wrong beliefs.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Yah, right. The Russian Media is controlled by the State and NO state will ever admit that the other side has the better anything. You seem to sell us very short. We understand Nationalism at a degree at least equal to a Russian. But our Media is not state controlled otherwise it would be a lot less messy over here.

In the Russian media, you can say whatever you want.
To scold the government, Putin, to demand the collapse of Russia, to ask for sanctions against Russia.
It can be done by any politician and even by a presidential candidate.
Not only on the Internet, but also on radio and central television channels.

Even more:
Opposition media, which say the biggest shit, are sponsored by the Government.
like this Эхо Москвы - новости, радио, политика, экономика, особое мнение
People listen to what they say and will never vote for them. It's good...

I'll tell you a secret:
- The USSR forbade such a mass media
- Russia, on the contrary, supports. This is a good strategic move, since people will never support them.
Look at this forum - there is such a character here. The more he craps, the better

Other opposition media outlets are sponsored from America by "black cash"

================================================
There is nothing like this in America, because you do not have democracy and freedom.
You just tell the tales that monopolies allow you.
There is no opposition in America.
Sponsorship of the American media and political parties from abroad is prohibited.
If any of your politicians say on television a phrase meaning "I do not like America," then he will end his career and be sent to ignore. Maybe then the CIA will find compromising evidence against him and he will be put in jail for some other crime ...
================================================

Why can I say this?
1. I lived in America and live in Russia
2. I speak Russian and English and can read any press
3. I can compare sources of information

Why can not you argue?
1. You have never been to Russia
2. You do not speak Russian and can only read the American press
3. You can not compare sources of information
Therefore, you have wrong beliefs.

The latest one is the opposition leader that was found guilty of something and then that made it so he could not run. Or the poisoning of Russian Citizens that Putin finds dangerous. Yes, you are free to say anything you want in Russia but that freedom will come at a very high price which also might mean your life.

I already figured out you are a Putin Sponsored Troll that will lie about things because your Leader wants you to. I have never been to Russia but I have been inside of the USSR. Things haven't changed that much in Russia no matter what you say. It did for awhile but it's gone back to being the stifling country it once was. There is a bit of Stalin in Putin. So keep doing what you are doing. We ain't buy'in it.

 

[Selivan]

The latest one is the opposition leader that was found guilty of something and then that made it so he could not run. Or the poisoning of Russian Citizens that Putin finds dangerous. Yes, you are free to say anything you want in Russia but that freedom will come at a very high price which also might mean your life.

I already figured out you are a Putin Sponsored Troll that will lie about things because your Leader wants you to. I have never been to Russia but I have been inside of the USSR. Things haven't changed that much in Russia no matter what you say. It did for awhile but it's gone back to being the stifling country it once was. There is a bit of Stalin in Putin. So keep doing what you are doing. We ain't buy'in it.

When a person does not have the right answer, then passes to insults.
You are not interesting for me

By the way, I do not like Putin

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The latest one is the opposition leader that was found guilty of something and then that made it so he could not run. Or the poisoning of Russian Citizens that Putin finds dangerous. Yes, you are free to say anything you want in Russia but that freedom will come at a very high price which also might mean your life.

I already figured out you are a Putin Sponsored Troll that will lie about things because your Leader wants you to. I have never been to Russia but I have been inside of the USSR. Things haven't changed that much in Russia no matter what you say. It did for awhile but it's gone back to being the stifling country it once was. There is a bit of Stalin in Putin. So keep doing what you are doing. We ain't buy'in it.

When a person does not have the right answer, then passes to insults.
You are not interesting for me

Well, Comrade, I have the right to answer any way I wish to. I call our President an Orange Orangutan (there are other colors than orange as well), I want ALL of our Congress replaced. I was not in favor of the Iraqi War (and I said so numerous times), I say that our Government is a Corporate Controlled disaster. And more. And they haven't come after me yet since it's my right to say these things.

Now, back to the F-22. And exactly what does Russia have in answer to the F-22 currently? Nothing. With the F-22 working in tandem with the new additions to the F-15 (missile trucks) there isn't much of a chance for your comrades to get off a shot first dodging all those incoming missiles. So only half will actually hit. But when your squadron has more than double the amount of missiles fired at them, half works. The F-22 doesn't have to use his radar or even launch the missile himself. He just passively guides them in. And please, don't tell us of what the future will bring. The present is the only thing that counts. And, currently, your vaunted SU-57 is a sitting duck out there even if it were in full production (it's not). Your SU-35 stands out like a sore thumb. Even the F-35 can handle them. Yes, you will claim that they can out dogfight a F-35. Sure, but only a handful will get through. Not enough to win the battle.

Your claim that a SU-35 ran off a F-22 never happened. The Truth came out on that one. The SU-25 was on a run on US Supported fighters with the F-22 doing topcap. It was inside the US zone. The Two F-22s intercepted the SU-25 and dropped flares to ward it off. Your SU-35 crossed the line and went to help the SU-25. Except, all the while it had a F-22 dogging it's tail. Both the SU-25 and SU-35 left the area being dogged from the rear by two F-22s. I do think this a waste of the F-22 which is hard to see until it's almost right on top of you. I think for this type of Mission a F-15 would have been better. He won't sneak up on you but you will definitely see him wag his wings to show off his missile load.

 

[Inmar]

it is not interesting.
You were told that you should give references to the Russian media, in which they say that your fighter really exists ...
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If the Russians will prove to you that they have the best fighter, they will only give American references

But the American turned on the button "fool"

 

[Selivan]

But the American turned on the button "fool"

I tell him that:
- In Russia, a presidential candidate can scold Russia and get support from America

He is turning round
- I in America can abuse my Government, so we have freedom

Probably, he believes that his person and the candidate for the presidency are one and the same


What can you still argue about?

 

[Inmar]

Now there will be "govno natsii" and will show links to some Paul Felgenhaur. Let's wait.