- Thread starter
- #41
How ironic.
When have you given any opinion not purloined, without attribution, from the NYTime, MSNBC, or the DNC?
Exploring Muslim Culture
- Thread starter PoliticalChic
- Start date
How ironic.
When have you given any opinion not purloined, without attribution, from the NYTime, MSNBC, or the DNC?
- Thread starter
- #42
you should understand that correlation is not causation.
PC has not shown that islam causes any of the things she wishes to attribute to it. again, the counter argument to PC's copy and paste is that these are aspectss of the culture that are neither unique to islam nor originating in the area with islam.
do you understand now? she states that one causes the other, but has not shown that to be the case.
everyone knows you are the queen of copy and paste, incapable of original thought and more than happy to let others do your thinking for you.
hell, it's been shown that you don't even come up with your own insults and that you copy and paste those from an internet source.
I am very much aware of the important dictum "Correlation is not Causation"
as is anyone who got thru the freshman year of college. I did not read anything
about "islam" causing "things" --------you really know how to be PRECISE and
SPECIFIC I see no reason for your allegation that the OP had to prove
that "aspects are unique" to islam. In sum-----you actually said nothing----you
could try to rephrase
- Thread starter
- #46
Every thread I construct is original
And in every one, I destroy you.
The best you can do is complain about the manner in which facts are provided.
Edification to follow....have someone explain this to you:
Some pointers.
1. Citing an authority with an established reputation is better, of course, than citing someone whose credentials are not so lofty. (http://www.ccc.commnet.edu/mla/practical_guide.shtml)
Composition Patterns: Developing an Argument
2. What has been pejoratively referred to as ‘simply cut and paste,’ is, in fact, carefully chosen to substantiate a point.
(Critical Appraisal and Analysis - Critically Analyzing Information Sources - LibGuides at Cornell University)
3. A valid objection to this selection of sources may be the type of audience being addressed. Is the ‘pasted selection’ aimed at a specialized or a general audience? Based on your whining....it must be ‘over your head.'
Ibid.
4. Are you objecting to the author's credentials--institutional affiliation (where he or she works), educational background, past writings, or experience? Or simply looking for a weapon to attack the post? This, of course, would be puerile.....as you are.
5. Providing summaries or outlines of a source is valid as long as a link to the original is provided, and the author’s meaning is conveyed.
This, of course, is exactly the method I employ.
6. Nor is it necessary to insert one’s own language if the original article is simply abbreviated, with link provided.
As I do.
7. And this:
What has been called ‘cut and paste’ is frequently the message board version of footnotes and endnotes of an academic essay. “…footnotes were declared outmoded just before the era of the word-processors which make using footnotes so much easier. Still, because of its relative ease in both writing and reading, parenthetical documentation is greatly preferred by most instructors.” http://www.ccc.commnet.edu/mla/practical_guide.shtml
While a public message board is the exact venue for giving opinions no matter their provenance, their attachment to reality, or even whether they are on a cognitive wavelength of any human on the planet, one should invest more credence to those that are able to show relevance, documentation and/or links.
And the more it frustrates you....the more it warms my heart.
so what does that mean to you if not that the culture is a result of islam?
- Thread starter
- #48
so why haven't you been able to show causation?
It means to me------more accurately-----Islamic ethos is not compatible with
judeo/Christian ethos. "culture" is too all encompassing a concept-----including
everything from cuisine to when and where one wears a hat or how to celebrate
a wedding and what is called "music". The Islamic community that developed
in arabia had a CULTURE which intertwined with the religion elaborated
by those people. That religion and CULTURE was transported virtually whole
to Iraq and Yemen -----and not as whole to Iran, and many parts of north Africa
and on to the Iberian peninsula-------and even less whole to south east Asia----more or less. An interesting aspect of the transfer of the religion IS the cultural
issues that piggy backed along. Things "arab" are so associated with
Muhummad<<< the perfect person---------that they are held in high esteem in
previously non arab lands like Pakistan----or Moorish spain ----or Egypt ----or
Syria. Feel free to ask questions
even you need to be more specific Chic. There is no doubt in my mind that
adulation of persons who tie bombs to their bodies to kill-----the "others" -------
was IMPORTED to Pakistan from Arabian ethos ------via the koran. I never
came across that interesting idea in hindu literature. FGM went with islam wherever islam went -----more or less. customs of dress carried over from
arabia
- Thread starter
- #52
what does "show causation" mean? It is sufficient to note that since it was
not part of the ethos of that area before islam showed up -------that islam
"caused" it. It (a custom or law etc) got caused by islam-------it would be
silly to describe the appearance of a specific law or custom common to most
Islamic communities as COINCIDENTALLY JUST HAPPENING.
And yet pc has never showed when a behavior began
- Thread starter
- #56
6. And, continuing this conversation with several Muslim boys, about meeting 'a stranger....
" I put another question. Suppose that, in the manner of Venetian young men, Ibrahim and Naser and Daud wished to strike up an acquaintance with a beautiful stranger—how would they go about it?
That inquiry seemed to puzzle them slightly. They asked me to elaborate. Did I mean a beautiful strange woman?
Yes. Certainly. What else should I mean?
Not, perchance, a beautiful strange man or boy?
The boys were again giggling at my Christian naivete. From their pantomime and their rudimentary French, I gathered that—in the view of Islam and its holy Quran—women had been created solely so that men could beget male children upon them..... few Muslim men utilized women for their sexual enjoyment. Why should they?
There were so many men and boys to be had, more plump and beautiful than any woman. Other considerations aside, a male lover was preferable to a female simply because he was male...." Jennings, Op.Cit.
Can it be that this version of culture is about choosing a same-sex partner for intercourse, rather than opposite?
Can the strictures places on the natural version be so rife with danger, under Islam, have cause this strange reversal of what we, in the West, have come to expect???
There is even an explanation given, one which combines the practice of pederasty with the female sexual mutilation practiced in the culture:
"Even as a receptacle, any Muslim male was far more sexually responsive and delightful than any Muslim female, whose parts had been properly deadened by [female]circumcision.'" Ibid., p. 104
" I put another question. Suppose that, in the manner of Venetian young men, Ibrahim and Naser and Daud wished to strike up an acquaintance with a beautiful stranger—how would they go about it?
That inquiry seemed to puzzle them slightly. They asked me to elaborate. Did I mean a beautiful strange woman?
Yes. Certainly. What else should I mean?
Not, perchance, a beautiful strange man or boy?
The boys were again giggling at my Christian naivete. From their pantomime and their rudimentary French, I gathered that—in the view of Islam and its holy Quran—women had been created solely so that men could beget male children upon them..... few Muslim men utilized women for their sexual enjoyment. Why should they?
There were so many men and boys to be had, more plump and beautiful than any woman. Other considerations aside, a male lover was preferable to a female simply because he was male...." Jennings, Op.Cit.
Can it be that this version of culture is about choosing a same-sex partner for intercourse, rather than opposite?
Can the strictures places on the natural version be so rife with danger, under Islam, have cause this strange reversal of what we, in the West, have come to expect???
There is even an explanation given, one which combines the practice of pederasty with the female sexual mutilation practiced in the culture:
"Even as a receptacle, any Muslim male was far more sexually responsive and delightful than any Muslim female, whose parts had been properly deadened by [female]circumcision.'" Ibid., p. 104
I majored in biology------and neuroscience-------uhm..... you left out NEUROHUMORS (aka hormones and pheromones) -----and even
forebrain stuff--------sheeeesh that gorgeous chest. responsiveness
during the act--------is not that which ATTRACTS
aris2chat
Gold Member
- Feb 17, 2012
- 18,678
- 4,689
- 280
yes
- Thread starter
- #59
Some will point to the Islamic death penalty for homosexuality......but, as Longfellow wrote in 'The Psalm of Life,"...
"Tell me not, in mournful numbers,
Life is but an empty dream!
For the soul is dead that slumbers,
And things are not what they seem."
Not what they seem, indeed.....
7. "Islam goes beyond mere disapproval of homosexuality. Sharia teaches that homosexuality is a vile form of fornication, punishable by death. Beneath the surface, however, there are implied references to homosexual behavior in paradise, and it has been a historical part of Arab and Muslim culture."
Islam and Homosexuality
Qur'an (26:165-166)-"Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, "And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing"
Qur'an (4:16)-"If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone" This is the Yusuf Ali translation. The original Arabic does,not use the word "men" and simply says"two from among you." Yusuf Ali may have added the word "men" because the verse seems to refer to a different set than referred to in the prior verse (explicitly denoted as"your women"). In other words, since 4:15 refers to"your women", 4:16 is presumably written to and refers to men.
Interestingly, the same rules don't apply in paradise, where martyrs for the cause of Allah enjoy an orgy of virgins and"perpetual youth" Qur'an (56:17)(otherwise known as"boys" Qur'an (52:24)). Qur'an (76:19)bluntly states,"And immortal boys will circulate among them, when you see them you will count them as scattered pearls." Technically, the mere presence of boys doesn't necessarily mean sex, however it is strongly implied from the particular emphasis on the effeminacy, handsomeness and "freshness" of the boys. The female virgins of paradise are also compared to pearls (56:23).
When Mehmed conquered Constantinople in 1453, the Muslim general demanded the 14-year-old son of one of the city's Christian leaders as his sexual concubine (the father and son chose death instead). Subsequent Ottoman administrators also engaged in homosexuality, often with the boys of conquered populations who could not afford to satisfy the jizya(poll tax on non-Muslims) in any other way than to relinquish their own children to the Religion of Peace. Islam and Homosexuality
Seems that there is a text.....and a subtext in Islam. No sex with any female not your wife....but, otherwise.....'wink, wink...'
a. "An 11th-century Persian ruler advised his son to alternate his partners seasonally: young men in the summer and women in the winter. Many of the love poems of the eighth-century Abu Nuwas in Baghdad, and of other Persian and Urdu poets, were addressed to boys. In medieval mystic writings, particularly Sufi texts, it is unclear whether the beloved being addressed is a teenage boy or God, providing a quasi-religious sanction for relationships between men and boys. Austere European chroniclers fumed at the indulgent attitudes to gay sex in the Caliphs' courts (now the censure is the other way). http://www.economist.com/node/21546002
Yes....pederasty.....in the Q'ran.
"Tell me not, in mournful numbers,
Life is but an empty dream!
For the soul is dead that slumbers,
And things are not what they seem."
Not what they seem, indeed.....
7. "Islam goes beyond mere disapproval of homosexuality. Sharia teaches that homosexuality is a vile form of fornication, punishable by death. Beneath the surface, however, there are implied references to homosexual behavior in paradise, and it has been a historical part of Arab and Muslim culture."
Islam and Homosexuality
Qur'an (26:165-166)-"Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, "And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing"
Qur'an (4:16)-"If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone" This is the Yusuf Ali translation. The original Arabic does,not use the word "men" and simply says"two from among you." Yusuf Ali may have added the word "men" because the verse seems to refer to a different set than referred to in the prior verse (explicitly denoted as"your women"). In other words, since 4:15 refers to"your women", 4:16 is presumably written to and refers to men.
Interestingly, the same rules don't apply in paradise, where martyrs for the cause of Allah enjoy an orgy of virgins and"perpetual youth" Qur'an (56:17)(otherwise known as"boys" Qur'an (52:24)). Qur'an (76:19)bluntly states,"And immortal boys will circulate among them, when you see them you will count them as scattered pearls." Technically, the mere presence of boys doesn't necessarily mean sex, however it is strongly implied from the particular emphasis on the effeminacy, handsomeness and "freshness" of the boys. The female virgins of paradise are also compared to pearls (56:23).
When Mehmed conquered Constantinople in 1453, the Muslim general demanded the 14-year-old son of one of the city's Christian leaders as his sexual concubine (the father and son chose death instead). Subsequent Ottoman administrators also engaged in homosexuality, often with the boys of conquered populations who could not afford to satisfy the jizya(poll tax on non-Muslims) in any other way than to relinquish their own children to the Religion of Peace. Islam and Homosexuality
Seems that there is a text.....and a subtext in Islam. No sex with any female not your wife....but, otherwise.....'wink, wink...'
a. "An 11th-century Persian ruler advised his son to alternate his partners seasonally: young men in the summer and women in the winter. Many of the love poems of the eighth-century Abu Nuwas in Baghdad, and of other Persian and Urdu poets, were addressed to boys. In medieval mystic writings, particularly Sufi texts, it is unclear whether the beloved being addressed is a teenage boy or God, providing a quasi-religious sanction for relationships between men and boys. Austere European chroniclers fumed at the indulgent attitudes to gay sex in the Caliphs' courts (now the censure is the other way). http://www.economist.com/node/21546002
Yes....pederasty.....in the Q'ran.
Last edited:
L.K.Eder
unbannable non-troll
i told you before, you really need to get a job, pc.
Similar threads
New Topics
-
Another Epstein Islander exposed: Chairman of Nobel committee that awarded Obama the Peace Prize- Started by theHawk
- Replies: 1
-
Pakistani Man Arrested Just Before Butler Attack Says Iran Paid Him to Assassinate Donald Trump- Started by excalibur
- Replies: 1
-
-
-
