Explanation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

[LOki]

1) I have to wonder how you knew I could read German. Have I met you IRL?

I don´t think so but most of you guys here are able to read German. It is the only source, anyway,

2) I admit that my days of regular German usage are far behind me, so I might have missed the part where this actually states that The Soviet Union claims Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948,... you know, in some unprovoked manner.

As you can read, the Israeli´s started the war by an unscheduled declaration of the Israeli nation.

Yeah, I sort of understood that, but what I didn't get out of that was "Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948."

Israel may have been a bit abrupt with the delicate sensibilities of the international community, but it clearly did not launch an offensive against five foreign nations the moment it declared it's sovereignty.

History seems pretty clear on this: the "Palestinian" nation of Israel was attacked on the very day of its birth, by hostile Arab/Islamic nations surrounding it.

 

[Bleipriester]

1) I have to wonder how you knew I could read German. Have I met you IRL?

I don´t think so but most of you guys here are able to read German. It is the only source, anyway,

2) I admit that my days of regular German usage are far behind me, so I might have missed the part where this actually states that The Soviet Union claims Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948,... you know, in some unprovoked manner.

As you can read, the Israeli´s started the war by an unscheduled declaration of the Israeli nation.

Yeah, I sort of understood that, but what I didn't get out of that was "Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948."

Israel may have been a bit abrupt with the delicate sensibilities of the international community, but it clearly did not launch an offensive against five foreign nations the moment it declared it's sovereignty.

History seems pretty clear on this: the "Palestinian" nation of Israel was attacked on the very day of its birth, by hostile Arab/Islamic nations surrounding it.

How could all that neighbors be unable to defeat the unsuspecting, surprised Israel?

 

[P F Tinmore]

1) I have to wonder how you knew I could read German. Have I met you IRL?

I don´t think so but most of you guys here are able to read German. It is the only source, anyway,

2) I admit that my days of regular German usage are far behind me, so I might have missed the part where this actually states that The Soviet Union claims Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948,... you know, in some unprovoked manner.

As you can read, the Israeli´s started the war by an unscheduled declaration of the Israeli nation.

Yeah, I sort of understood that, but what I didn't get out of that was "Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948."

Israel may have been a bit abrupt with the delicate sensibilities of the international community, but it clearly did not launch an offensive against five foreign nations the moment it declared it's sovereignty.

History seems pretty clear on this: the "Palestinian" nation of Israel was attacked on the very day of its birth, by hostile Arab/Islamic nations surrounding it.

How could all that neighbors be unable to defeat the unsuspecting, surprised Israel?

The 1948 war was ended by a UN Security Resolution. Nobody won or lost that war.

 

[Bleipriester]

1) I have to wonder how you knew I could read German. Have I met you IRL?

I don´t think so but most of you guys here are able to read German. It is the only source, anyway,

2) I admit that my days of regular German usage are far behind me, so I might have missed the part where this actually states that The Soviet Union claims Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948,... you know, in some unprovoked manner.

As you can read, the Israeli´s started the war by an unscheduled declaration of the Israeli nation.

Yeah, I sort of understood that, but what I didn't get out of that was "Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948."

Israel may have been a bit abrupt with the delicate sensibilities of the international community, but it clearly did not launch an offensive against five foreign nations the moment it declared it's sovereignty.

History seems pretty clear on this: the "Palestinian" nation of Israel was attacked on the very day of its birth, by hostile Arab/Islamic nations surrounding it.

How could all that neighbors be unable to defeat the unsuspecting, surprised Israel?

The 1948 war was ended by a UN Security Resolution. Nobody won or lost that war.

But Israel took much of the soil the UN reserved for Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

1) I have to wonder how you knew I could read German. Have I met you IRL?

I don´t think so but most of you guys here are able to read German. It is the only source, anyway,

2) I admit that my days of regular German usage are far behind me, so I might have missed the part where this actually states that The Soviet Union claims Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948,... you know, in some unprovoked manner.

As you can read, the Israeli´s started the war by an unscheduled declaration of the Israeli nation.

Yeah, I sort of understood that, but what I didn't get out of that was "Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948."

Israel may have been a bit abrupt with the delicate sensibilities of the international community, but it clearly did not launch an offensive against five foreign nations the moment it declared it's sovereignty.

History seems pretty clear on this: the "Palestinian" nation of Israel was attacked on the very day of its birth, by hostile Arab/Islamic nations surrounding it.

How could all that neighbors be unable to defeat the unsuspecting, surprised Israel?

The 1948 war was ended by a UN Security Resolution. Nobody won or lost that war.

But Israel took much of the soil the UN reserved for Palestine.

Indeed, Israel occupied that land but it did not win it.

 

[proudveteran06]

“If tomorrow, Israel laid down its arms and announced, ‘We will fight no more,’ what would happen? And if the Arab countries around Israel laid down their arms and announced, ‘We will fight no more,’ what would happen?” Prager asks. “In the first case, there would be an immediate destruction of the state of Israel and mass murder of its Jewish population. In the second case, there would be peace the next day.”

I believe Israel don’t have any goal to conquer more territory or to eliminate all the arabs around Israel. I believe Mr.Prager. Don’t you think he’s right? If you don’t, show your vision of the problem.

How about Israel just comply with international law and end the illegal and immoral occupation and blockade?

The occupation is the cause of all the violence.

Tell us please what the problem was before the alleged " occupation" There is never a response

 

[P F Tinmore]

“If tomorrow, Israel laid down its arms and announced, ‘We will fight no more,’ what would happen? And if the Arab countries around Israel laid down their arms and announced, ‘We will fight no more,’ what would happen?” Prager asks. “In the first case, there would be an immediate destruction of the state of Israel and mass murder of its Jewish population. In the second case, there would be peace the next day.”

I believe Israel don’t have any goal to conquer more territory or to eliminate all the arabs around Israel. I believe Mr.Prager. Don’t you think he’s right? If you don’t, show your vision of the problem.

How about Israel just comply with international law and end the illegal and immoral occupation and blockade?

The occupation is the cause of all the violence.

Tell us please what the problem was before the alleged " occupation" There is never a response

There were no problems before the occupation. Well nothing serious.

In less than 10 years three serious attacks have been made by Arabs on Jews. For 80 years before the first of these attacks there is no recorded instance of any similar incidents.

This was borne out by the evidence tendered during our inquiry when representatives of all parties told us that before the War (WWI) the Jews and Arabs lived side by side if not in amity, at least with tolerance, a quality which to-day is almost unknown in Palestine". - See more at: The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP DPR study part I 1917-1947 30 June 1978 ​

 

[LOki]

1) I have to wonder how you knew I could read German. Have I met you IRL?

I don´t think so but most of you guys here are able to read German. It is the only source, anyway,

2) I admit that my days of regular German usage are far behind me, so I might have missed the part where this actually states that The Soviet Union claims Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948,... you know, in some unprovoked manner.

As you can read, the Israeli´s started the war by an unscheduled declaration of the Israeli nation.

Yeah, I sort of understood that, but what I didn't get out of that was "Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948."

Israel may have been a bit abrupt with the delicate sensibilities of the international community, but it clearly did not launch an offensive against five foreign nations the moment it declared it's sovereignty.

History seems pretty clear on this: the "Palestinian" nation of Israel was attacked on the very day of its birth, by hostile Arab/Islamic nations surrounding it.

How could all that neighbors be unable to defeat the unsuspecting, surprised Israel?

As it turns out, the Arab League in general, and Israel's neighbors in particular, were not so terribly secretive about their intentions. Israel was not surprised.

 

[Billo_Really]

What occupation? Israel is trying to live in the middle of people that swear to their destruction. You have to realize that the Palestinians have sworn to the destruction of Israel. Right? If the Palestinians would say Israel could live in peace, there would be no war. Why is Israel the only country that can't defend itself?

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

 

[Billo_Really]

Tell us please what the problem was before the alleged " occupation" There is never a response

The problem before the occupation, was Israeli aggression against its neighbors.

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

What "aggression" before occupation?

Tell us please what the problem was before the alleged " occupation" There is never a response

The problem before the occupation, was Israeli aggression against its neighbors.

(COMMENT)

There was the Egyptian closure of the Straits of Tiran (Gulf of Aqaba from the Red Sea), then the massing of troops (150,000) in the Sinai. Egypt forced the withdrawal of the UN Emergency Force (UNEF) from the Sinai, and moving forces right up to the Armistice line in close proximity of Israel (a cautious movement to contact).

Jordan initiate Artillery Fire from the West Bank. Israel and Syria were already involved in a Low Intensity Conflict (LIC) in which Israel was trying to restrain Syrian aggressive moves.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

What were Europeans doing in Palestine? Might have they been planning to expel the non-Jewish inhabitants to establish a colony?

 

[LOki]

What were Europeans doing in Palestine?

Pilgrimage.

Might have they been planning to expel the non-Jewish inhabitants to establish a colony?

A colony of what European nation? No home nation, no colony. No colony, no colonists. No colony or colonists, no colonization.

There was a plan for expelling hostile enemy collaborators. There was no "plan" to simply expel all non-Jewish inhabitants. You need to cool your tits, Pumpkin.

 

[montelatici]

Well son, they came from Europe and colonized a place on another continent. They considered themselves colonists establishing colonies. What have I gotten wrong?

 

[montelatici]

What were Europeans doing in Palestine?

Pilgrimage.

Might have they been planning to expel the non-Jewish inhabitants to establish a colony?

A colony of what European nation? No home nation, no colony. No colony, no colonists. No colony or colonists, no colonization.

There was a plan for expelling hostile enemy collaborators. There was no "plan" to simply expel all non-Jewish inhabitants. You need to cool your tits, Pumpkin.

Just to add:

Weizmann Outlines Plan for Colonization of 250,000 Jews in Palestine Within Five Years
June 30, 1933

Weizmann Outlines Plan for Colonization of 250 000 Jews in Palestine Within Five Years Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Boy are you full of shit.

 

[JFish123]

If anybody thinks israel is to blame for the Middle East or Palestinian problems they just are sooo ignorant and a bit anti Semetic

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[LOki]

Well son, they came from Europe and colonized a place on another continent. They considered themselves colonists establishing colonies. What have I gotten wrong?

Crack open a dictionary, Pumpkin.

It's just too bad that reality refuses to conform to your narrative.

 

[LOki]

What were Europeans doing in Palestine?

Pilgrimage.

Might have they been planning to expel the non-Jewish inhabitants to establish a colony?

A colony of what European nation? No home nation, no colony. No colony, no colonists. No colony or colonists, no colonization.

There was a plan for expelling hostile enemy collaborators. There was no "plan" to simply expel all non-Jewish inhabitants. You need to cool your tits, Pumpkin.

Just to add:

Weizmann Outlines Plan for Colonization of 250,000 Jews in Palestine Within Five Years
June 30, 1933

Weizmann Outlines Plan for Colonization of 250 000 Jews in Palestine Within Five Years Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Boy are you full of shit.

Not at all, Pumpkin. Your narrative is full of shit.

 

[xdangerousxdavex]

How about Israel just comply with international law and end the illegal and immoral occupation and blockade?

The occupation is the cause of all the violence.

So when do you think the "occupation" had been started? Before Christ?

 

[Phoenall]

I'm not disputing or affirming your "facts." They are irrelevant to my point for the precise reasons I submitted, which you refuse to acknowledge.

Seriously. Don't bother to bring it up. It's meaningless to the whole world of people who do not give a fuck about the rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other.

Ah. I see clearly. All that which fails to validate the brutality your favored rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon the other rock-chucking retards is "Zionist propaganda derived from Zionist sources," "bullshit."

You are obviously an antisemitic ideologue. Good for you, Pumpkin.

You know what Cupcake? I don't give a fuck that you're the grand-fucking-dragon of your own personal illuminati lodge that claims the sole monopoly on what is "fact."

What you post looks just like the lies submitted by "Zionist" propagandists. You're both clown-shoes.

Yet they remain.

So this Arab League that failed to prevent the existence of the nation of Israel--which was establishing their sovereignty through massacring Christians and Muslims--managed to do what?... help establish the existence of the state of Israel by preventing the massacre Christians and Muslims? Gotcha.

Yet they are still there. The Arab League ENTIRELY powerless to prevent further expulsions or "massacres." So very strange.

Well. I hate to break this to you Cupcake; while I recognize the actual existence of "Plan Dalet" and what it says, considering the fine relationship Israel has with Christians and Muslims in their country who do not behave like violent sociopaths, either they were not as committed to this "plan" in the manner your dogma insists, or there really was no such "plan" (in the manner your dogma insists) in the first place.

Either way, I don't give a fuck about the rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other.

It's not just Plan Dalet, there was every intention of the European Jews to colonize Palestine from the beginning.

New York Times July 20, 1899

Zionists planned to colonize Palestine in 1899 NY Times

Jewish Telegraphic Agency July 25, 1926

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,”

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

And in 1940 the director of the Jewish National Fund's Lands Department was clear on the Jewish intentions:


" Yosef Weitz, who was at the time director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department. This man of noted Zionist convictions confided to his diary on 20 December 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe.”

Seven years later, Weitz found himself in a position to put this radical programme into effect. Already, in January 1948, he was orchestrating the expulsion of Palestinians from various parts of the country. In April he proposed - and obtained - the creation of “a body which would direct the Yishuv’s war with the aim of evicting as many Arabs as possible”. This body was unofficial at first, but was formalised at the end of August 1948 into the “Transfer Committee” which supervised the destruction of abandoned Arab villages and/or their repopulation with recent Jewish immigrants, in order to make any return of the refugees impossible. Its role was extended, in July, to take in the creation of Jewish settlements in the border areas."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

And where does it say that this was put into operation and all the Muslims and Christians were expelled or killed by the Jews ?

The lack of success does not change the intent. The Arab League's intervention made it more difficult for the Israelis to achieve the objective, detailed below:



Yosef Weitz, who was at the time director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department. This man of noted Zionist convictions confided to his diary on 20 December 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe.”

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

The unfortunate reality for you Pumpkin, is that the support you bring for your very own bigoted dogma still looks more like a sad admission that the Arab/Muslims' irrational hatred for all things Jewish is as insoluble as your irrational hatred for all things Jewish; rather than some official mandate to exterminate or expel all Arabs.

I don't hate Jews or "all things Jewish". Where do you come up with that? The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims might, understandably, hate Jews in general after what the Jews have done (and are doing) to them. But, I suspect that Palestinians most differentiate between Zionists and Jews.

Like you the arab muslims use the term Zionists to mean Jews because you believe it absolves you of RACISM. All in does is show your NAZI JEW HATRED all the more