Explanation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

[Humanity]

Hardly think that making a true and valid fact known can be called "cherry picking"...

Do you deny Netanyahu words then?

The cherry picked version YES as it does not tell the truth

Of course it tells the truth. It is exactly what he said. Your problem is that you have told so many lies you no longer know what the truth is. Telling lie upon lie upon lie tends to confuse a fellow like you.

But he did not say that did he, anymore than the pope only said KILL THE JEWS AND BURN THEM

"Whoever moves to establish a Palestinian state or intends to withdraw from territory is simply yielding territory for radical Islamic terrorist attacks against Israel," he told the Israeli news site NRG.

Asked if that meant a state would not be established if he remained prime minister, he said: "Indeed."

Netanyahu says no Palestinian state as long as he s prime minister Reuters

No that is just the editors headlines he actually said

"Whoever moves to establish a Palestinian state or intends to withdraw from territory is simply yielding territory for radical Islamic terrorist attacks against Israel,"

And you have the audacity to accuse others of cherry picking!?!?

You missed the line from the article which states...

Asked if that meant a state would not be established if he remained prime minister, he said: "Indeed."

 

[montelatici]

What is illicit about calling a spade a spade? I can't believe you can deny that the Zionists planned to colonize Palestine and colonized it. Even when they state it repeatedly in black and white. Unbelievable.

Petitio Principii.

ignore obvium

 

[Coyote]

Let's see, bozo says no colonists and Weizmann says he plans to colonize, not only Palestine but Trans-Jordan too. Who should we believe? A clown, or the first president of Israel? That's the thing about ideologues they are able to ignore fact.

"
Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,” Dr. Weizmann said.
July 25, 1926

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

So where is the link showing that this was put in place and actioned ?

Do you need a link to Israel? Proof that it was put in place and "actioned".

I still think you mean to say they were "pilgrims." Pilgrims from numerous nations (primarily European) who settled in "Palestine proper." Pilgrims who settled in Palestine for the purpose of realizing, and living in, a Jewish nation.

You can go further to say that they were: Pilgrims from numerous nations (primarily European) settled in "Palestine proper" for the purpose of realizing, and living in, a Jewish nation; under the direction of the Zionist Organization; of which Dr. Chaim Weizmann was president.

Of course, if your purpose--and I mean your purpose, Pumpkin--in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

"Pilgrim" is the proper term (regardless of whoever used an improper term previously), and it's the precise term someone interested in conveying accurate information would use; it's the term someone with intellectual integrity would use.

After all, just because Dr. Weizmann was sloppy with his vocabulary, it does not follow that you must also be so sloppy. Correct?

But, if you disagree, you need only identify the European nation these so-called "colonists" were citizens of. Be specific, Cupcake.

No colonists. No colony. No colonization.

Colonist is as accurate a term as "Pilgrim".

col·o·nize
ˈkäləˌnīz/
verb
verb: colonize; 3rd person present: colonizes; past tense: colonized; past participle: colonized; gerund or present participle: colonizing; verb: colonise; 3rd person present: colonises; past tense: colonised; past participle: colonised; gerund or present participle: colonising

1. (of a country or its citizens) send a group of settlers to (a place) and establish political control over it.
   "the Greeks colonized Sicily and southern Italy"
   synonyms: settle (in), people, populate;More
   occupy, take over, seize, capture, subjugate
   "the Germans colonized Tanganyika in 1885"
   • come to settle among and establish political control over (the indigenous people of an area).
     "a white family that tries to colonize a Caribbean island"
   • appropriate (a place or domain) for one's own use.
   • Ecology
     (of a plant or animal) establish itself in an area.
     "mussels can colonize even the most inhospitable rock surfaces"

Of course, if the purpose in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

Right?

There is certain amount of "imperialist baggage" that applies. The Zionist movement sought to occupy a land already populated, and re-create an ancient state based on one ethnicity/religion. Pilgrims are travelers who journey to sacred places for religious reasons.

Both fit, no?

 

[Billo_Really]

So when do you think the "occupation" had been started? Before Christ?

It started when Israeli tanks rolled into Egypt in 1967.

 

[LOki]

So where is the link showing that this was put in place and actioned ?

Do you need a link to Israel? Proof that it was put in place and "actioned".

I still think you mean to say they were "pilgrims." Pilgrims from numerous nations (primarily European) who settled in "Palestine proper." Pilgrims who settled in Palestine for the purpose of realizing, and living in, a Jewish nation.

You can go further to say that they were: Pilgrims from numerous nations (primarily European) settled in "Palestine proper" for the purpose of realizing, and living in, a Jewish nation; under the direction of the Zionist Organization; of which Dr. Chaim Weizmann was president.

Of course, if your purpose--and I mean your purpose, Pumpkin--in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

"Pilgrim" is the proper term (regardless of whoever used an improper term previously), and it's the precise term someone interested in conveying accurate information would use; it's the term someone with intellectual integrity would use.

After all, just because Dr. Weizmann was sloppy with his vocabulary, it does not follow that you must also be so sloppy. Correct?

But, if you disagree, you need only identify the European nation these so-called "colonists" were citizens of. Be specific, Cupcake.

No colonists. No colony. No colonization.

Colonist is as accurate a term as "Pilgrim".

col·o·nize
ˈkäləˌnīz/
verb
verb: colonize; 3rd person present: colonizes; past tense: colonized; past participle: colonized; gerund or present participle: colonizing; verb: colonise; 3rd person present: colonises; past tense: colonised; past participle: colonised; gerund or present participle: colonising

1. (of a country or its citizens) send a group of settlers to (a place) and establish political control over it.
   "the Greeks colonized Sicily and southern Italy"
   synonyms: settle (in), people, populate;More
   occupy, take over, seize, capture, subjugate
   "the Germans colonized Tanganyika in 1885"
   • come to settle among and establish political control over (the indigenous people of an area).
     "a white family that tries to colonize a Caribbean island"
   • appropriate (a place or domain) for one's own use.
   • Ecology
     (of a plant or animal) establish itself in an area.
     "mussels can colonize even the most inhospitable rock surfaces"

Of course, if the purpose in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

Right?

There is certain amount of "imperialist baggage" that applies. The Zionist movement sought to occupy a land already populated, and re-create an ancient state based on one ethnicity/religion. Pilgrims are travelers who journey to sacred places for religious reasons.

Both fit, no?

I suppose the Zionist movement is like Imperial colonization, in much the way a dolphin is like a fish.

 

[Coyote]

Do you need a link to Israel? Proof that it was put in place and "actioned".

I still think you mean to say they were "pilgrims." Pilgrims from numerous nations (primarily European) who settled in "Palestine proper." Pilgrims who settled in Palestine for the purpose of realizing, and living in, a Jewish nation.

You can go further to say that they were: Pilgrims from numerous nations (primarily European) settled in "Palestine proper" for the purpose of realizing, and living in, a Jewish nation; under the direction of the Zionist Organization; of which Dr. Chaim Weizmann was president.

Of course, if your purpose--and I mean your purpose, Pumpkin--in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

"Pilgrim" is the proper term (regardless of whoever used an improper term previously), and it's the precise term someone interested in conveying accurate information would use; it's the term someone with intellectual integrity would use.

After all, just because Dr. Weizmann was sloppy with his vocabulary, it does not follow that you must also be so sloppy. Correct?

But, if you disagree, you need only identify the European nation these so-called "colonists" were citizens of. Be specific, Cupcake.

No colonists. No colony. No colonization.

Colonist is as accurate a term as "Pilgrim".

col·o·nize
ˈkäləˌnīz/
verb
verb: colonize; 3rd person present: colonizes; past tense: colonized; past participle: colonized; gerund or present participle: colonizing; verb: colonise; 3rd person present: colonises; past tense: colonised; past participle: colonised; gerund or present participle: colonising

1. (of a country or its citizens) send a group of settlers to (a place) and establish political control over it.
   "the Greeks colonized Sicily and southern Italy"
   synonyms: settle (in), people, populate;More
   occupy, take over, seize, capture, subjugate
   "the Germans colonized Tanganyika in 1885"
   • come to settle among and establish political control over (the indigenous people of an area).
     "a white family that tries to colonize a Caribbean island"
   • appropriate (a place or domain) for one's own use.
   • Ecology
     (of a plant or animal) establish itself in an area.
     "mussels can colonize even the most inhospitable rock surfaces"

Of course, if the purpose in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

Right?

There is certain amount of "imperialist baggage" that applies. The Zionist movement sought to occupy a land already populated, and re-create an ancient state based on one ethnicity/religion. Pilgrims are travelers who journey to sacred places for religious reasons.

Both fit, no?

I suppose the Zionist movement is like Imperial colonization, in much the way a dolphin is like a fish.

Maybe you suppose wrong then.

How is it different, say, than the colonial experiences of the U.S.? Not just it's founding but it's expansion across the continent and it's treatment of the indiginous peoples?

 

[montelatici]

Do you need a link to Israel? Proof that it was put in place and "actioned".

I still think you mean to say they were "pilgrims." Pilgrims from numerous nations (primarily European) who settled in "Palestine proper." Pilgrims who settled in Palestine for the purpose of realizing, and living in, a Jewish nation.

You can go further to say that they were: Pilgrims from numerous nations (primarily European) settled in "Palestine proper" for the purpose of realizing, and living in, a Jewish nation; under the direction of the Zionist Organization; of which Dr. Chaim Weizmann was president.

Of course, if your purpose--and I mean your purpose, Pumpkin--in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

"Pilgrim" is the proper term (regardless of whoever used an improper term previously), and it's the precise term someone interested in conveying accurate information would use; it's the term someone with intellectual integrity would use.

After all, just because Dr. Weizmann was sloppy with his vocabulary, it does not follow that you must also be so sloppy. Correct?

But, if you disagree, you need only identify the European nation these so-called "colonists" were citizens of. Be specific, Cupcake.

No colonists. No colony. No colonization.

Colonist is as accurate a term as "Pilgrim".

col·o·nize
ˈkäləˌnīz/
verb
verb: colonize; 3rd person present: colonizes; past tense: colonized; past participle: colonized; gerund or present participle: colonizing; verb: colonise; 3rd person present: colonises; past tense: colonised; past participle: colonised; gerund or present participle: colonising

1. (of a country or its citizens) send a group of settlers to (a place) and establish political control over it.
   "the Greeks colonized Sicily and southern Italy"
   synonyms: settle (in), people, populate;More
   occupy, take over, seize, capture, subjugate
   "the Germans colonized Tanganyika in 1885"
   • come to settle among and establish political control over (the indigenous people of an area).
     "a white family that tries to colonize a Caribbean island"
   • appropriate (a place or domain) for one's own use.
   • Ecology
     (of a plant or animal) establish itself in an area.
     "mussels can colonize even the most inhospitable rock surfaces"

Of course, if the purpose in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

Right?

There is certain amount of "imperialist baggage" that applies. The Zionist movement sought to occupy a land already populated, and re-create an ancient state based on one ethnicity/religion. Pilgrims are travelers who journey to sacred places for religious reasons.

Both fit, no?

I suppose the Zionist movement is like Imperial colonization, in much the way a dolphin is like a fish.

The Zionist colonization is the same as any other colonization project. More like a shark is like a shark

 

[LOki]

I still think you mean to say they were "pilgrims." Pilgrims from numerous nations (primarily European) who settled in "Palestine proper." Pilgrims who settled in Palestine for the purpose of realizing, and living in, a Jewish nation.

You can go further to say that they were: Pilgrims from numerous nations (primarily European) settled in "Palestine proper" for the purpose of realizing, and living in, a Jewish nation; under the direction of the Zionist Organization; of which Dr. Chaim Weizmann was president.

Of course, if your purpose--and I mean your purpose, Pumpkin--in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

"Pilgrim" is the proper term (regardless of whoever used an improper term previously), and it's the precise term someone interested in conveying accurate information would use; it's the term someone with intellectual integrity would use.

After all, just because Dr. Weizmann was sloppy with his vocabulary, it does not follow that you must also be so sloppy. Correct?

But, if you disagree, you need only identify the European nation these so-called "colonists" were citizens of. Be specific, Cupcake.

No colonists. No colony. No colonization.

Colonist is as accurate a term as "Pilgrim".

col·o·nize
ˈkäləˌnīz/
verb
verb: colonize; 3rd person present: colonizes; past tense: colonized; past participle: colonized; gerund or present participle: colonizing; verb: colonise; 3rd person present: colonises; past tense: colonised; past participle: colonised; gerund or present participle: colonising

1. (of a country or its citizens) send a group of settlers to (a place) and establish political control over it.
   "the Greeks colonized Sicily and southern Italy"
   synonyms: settle (in), people, populate;More
   occupy, take over, seize, capture, subjugate
   "the Germans colonized Tanganyika in 1885"
   • come to settle among and establish political control over (the indigenous people of an area).
     "a white family that tries to colonize a Caribbean island"
   • appropriate (a place or domain) for one's own use.
   • Ecology
     (of a plant or animal) establish itself in an area.
     "mussels can colonize even the most inhospitable rock surfaces"

Of course, if the purpose in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

Right?

There is certain amount of "imperialist baggage" that applies. The Zionist movement sought to occupy a land already populated, and re-create an ancient state based on one ethnicity/religion. Pilgrims are travelers who journey to sacred places for religious reasons.

Both fit, no?

I suppose the Zionist movement is like Imperial colonization, in much the way a dolphin is like a fish.

The Zionist colonization is the same as any other colonization project. More like a shark is like a shark

What nation were these "colonists" citizens of? You neglect to tell. Again. Still.

 

[rylah]

Undermining the historic context.
Americans never had a kingdom in America, didn't have their ancestors' tombs or a temple.

No one cleansed or converted anyone in Israel.- that's a fact-there're 6 million of balestinians today.

 

[montelatici]

Colonist is as accurate a term as "Pilgrim".

col·o·nize
ˈkäləˌnīz/
verb
verb: colonize; 3rd person present: colonizes; past tense: colonized; past participle: colonized; gerund or present participle: colonizing; verb: colonise; 3rd person present: colonises; past tense: colonised; past participle: colonised; gerund or present participle: colonising

1. (of a country or its citizens) send a group of settlers to (a place) and establish political control over it.
   "the Greeks colonized Sicily and southern Italy"
   synonyms: settle (in), people, populate;More
   occupy, take over, seize, capture, subjugate
   "the Germans colonized Tanganyika in 1885"
   • come to settle among and establish political control over (the indigenous people of an area).
     "a white family that tries to colonize a Caribbean island"
   • appropriate (a place or domain) for one's own use.
   • Ecology
     (of a plant or animal) establish itself in an area.
     "mussels can colonize even the most inhospitable rock surfaces"

Of course, if the purpose in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

Right?

There is certain amount of "imperialist baggage" that applies. The Zionist movement sought to occupy a land already populated, and re-create an ancient state based on one ethnicity/religion. Pilgrims are travelers who journey to sacred places for religious reasons.

Both fit, no?

I suppose the Zionist movement is like Imperial colonization, in much the way a dolphin is like a fish.

The Zionist colonization is the same as any other colonization project. More like a shark is like a shark

What nation were these "colonists" citizens of? You neglect to tell. Again. Still.

Several European nations, just as the colonists of South Africa were.

 

[montelatici]

Undermining the historic context.
Americans never had a kingdom in America, didn't have their ancestors' tombs or a temple.

No one cleansed or converted anyone in Israel.- that's a fact-there're 6 million of balestinians today.

There were hundreds of thousands Christians and Muslims cleansed from what is now Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I still think you mean to say they were "pilgrims." Pilgrims from numerous nations (primarily European) who settled in "Palestine proper." Pilgrims who settled in Palestine for the purpose of realizing, and living in, a Jewish nation.

You can go further to say that they were: Pilgrims from numerous nations (primarily European) settled in "Palestine proper" for the purpose of realizing, and living in, a Jewish nation; under the direction of the Zionist Organization; of which Dr. Chaim Weizmann was president.

Of course, if your purpose--and I mean your purpose, Pumpkin--in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

"Pilgrim" is the proper term (regardless of whoever used an improper term previously), and it's the precise term someone interested in conveying accurate information would use; it's the term someone with intellectual integrity would use.

After all, just because Dr. Weizmann was sloppy with his vocabulary, it does not follow that you must also be so sloppy. Correct?

But, if you disagree, you need only identify the European nation these so-called "colonists" were citizens of. Be specific, Cupcake.

No colonists. No colony. No colonization.

Colonist is as accurate a term as "Pilgrim".

col·o·nize
ˈkäləˌnīz/
verb
verb: colonize; 3rd person present: colonizes; past tense: colonized; past participle: colonized; gerund or present participle: colonizing; verb: colonise; 3rd person present: colonises; past tense: colonised; past participle: colonised; gerund or present participle: colonising

1. (of a country or its citizens) send a group of settlers to (a place) and establish political control over it.
   "the Greeks colonized Sicily and southern Italy"
   synonyms: settle (in), people, populate;More
   occupy, take over, seize, capture, subjugate
   "the Germans colonized Tanganyika in 1885"
   • come to settle among and establish political control over (the indigenous people of an area).
     "a white family that tries to colonize a Caribbean island"
   • appropriate (a place or domain) for one's own use.
   • Ecology
     (of a plant or animal) establish itself in an area.
     "mussels can colonize even the most inhospitable rock surfaces"

Of course, if the purpose in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

Right?

There is certain amount of "imperialist baggage" that applies. The Zionist movement sought to occupy a land already populated, and re-create an ancient state based on one ethnicity/religion. Pilgrims are travelers who journey to sacred places for religious reasons.

Both fit, no?

I suppose the Zionist movement is like Imperial colonization, in much the way a dolphin is like a fish.

Maybe you suppose wrong then.

How is it different, say, than the colonial experiences of the U.S.? Not just it's founding but it's expansion across the continent and it's treatment of the indiginous peoples?

The only major difference is that military conquest was not illegal then. It was illegal in the 20th century.

Israel has no land that was not conquered by military force.

 

[rylah]

There's a jewish nation period. As there's an arab nation among many countries that have different name, they're still arabs.

EDIT: Jews were recently targeted as a nation-not "several different european nations"...suddenly they come to Israel and become europeans.
Ilogical.

 

[rylah]

Colonist is as accurate a term as "Pilgrim".

col·o·nize
ˈkäləˌnīz/
verb
verb: colonize; 3rd person present: colonizes; past tense: colonized; past participle: colonized; gerund or present participle: colonizing; verb: colonise; 3rd person present: colonises; past tense: colonised; past participle: colonised; gerund or present participle: colonising

1. (of a country or its citizens) send a group of settlers to (a place) and establish political control over it.
   "the Greeks colonized Sicily and southern Italy"
   synonyms: settle (in), people, populate;More
   occupy, take over, seize, capture, subjugate
   "the Germans colonized Tanganyika in 1885"
   • come to settle among and establish political control over (the indigenous people of an area).
     "a white family that tries to colonize a Caribbean island"
   • appropriate (a place or domain) for one's own use.
   • Ecology
     (of a plant or animal) establish itself in an area.
     "mussels can colonize even the most inhospitable rock surfaces"

Of course, if the purpose in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

Right?

There is certain amount of "imperialist baggage" that applies. The Zionist movement sought to occupy a land already populated, and re-create an ancient state based on one ethnicity/religion. Pilgrims are travelers who journey to sacred places for religious reasons.

Both fit, no?

I suppose the Zionist movement is like Imperial colonization, in much the way a dolphin is like a fish.

Maybe you suppose wrong then.

How is it different, say, than the colonial experiences of the U.S.? Not just it's founding but it's expansion across the continent and it's treatment of the indiginous peoples?

The only major difference is that military conquest was not illegal then. It was illegal in the 20th century.

Israel has no land that was not conquered by military force.

Israel has lands that were bought.

 

[montelatici]

I don't think Moroccans believe that they are Palestinians or Syrians. Arab is a cultural denomination they have a similar language and most the same religion. It is most similar to Hispanics, a Colombian is not a Spaniard or Argentine.

 

[rylah]

No they're simply all (most) arabs.

In europe they were targeted as jews, but when they came to Israel suddenly turned europeans??

 

[montelatici]

Of course, if the purpose in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

Right?

There is certain amount of "imperialist baggage" that applies. The Zionist movement sought to occupy a land already populated, and re-create an ancient state based on one ethnicity/religion. Pilgrims are travelers who journey to sacred places for religious reasons.

Both fit, no?

I suppose the Zionist movement is like Imperial colonization, in much the way a dolphin is like a fish.

Maybe you suppose wrong then.

How is it different, say, than the colonial experiences of the U.S.? Not just it's founding but it's expansion across the continent and it's treatment of the indiginous peoples?

The only major difference is that military conquest was not illegal then. It was illegal in the 20th century.

Israel has no land that was not conquered by military force.

Israel has lands that were bought.

The Jews had purchased about 5% of the land before partition. The non-Jews owned 85% or more of the land before partition.

OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land. The provisions of the land transfer regulations of 1940, which gave effect to the 1939 White Paper policy, have severely restricted the Jewish efforts to acquire new land."


A 364 of 3 September 1947

 

[P F Tinmore]

Of course, if the purpose in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

Right?

There is certain amount of "imperialist baggage" that applies. The Zionist movement sought to occupy a land already populated, and re-create an ancient state based on one ethnicity/religion. Pilgrims are travelers who journey to sacred places for religious reasons.

Both fit, no?

I suppose the Zionist movement is like Imperial colonization, in much the way a dolphin is like a fish.

Maybe you suppose wrong then.

How is it different, say, than the colonial experiences of the U.S.? Not just it's founding but it's expansion across the continent and it's treatment of the indiginous peoples?

The only major difference is that military conquest was not illegal then. It was illegal in the 20th century.

Israel has no land that was not conquered by military force.

Israel has lands that were bought.

Jews owned about 7% of Palestine by 1948.

Israel had nothing.

 

[rylah]

Colonist is as accurate a term as "Pilgrim".

col·o·nize
ˈkäləˌnīz/
verb
verb: colonize; 3rd person present: colonizes; past tense: colonized; past participle: colonized; gerund or present participle: colonizing; verb: colonise; 3rd person present: colonises; past tense: colonised; past participle: colonised; gerund or present participle: colonising

1. (of a country or its citizens) send a group of settlers to (a place) and establish political control over it.
   "the Greeks colonized Sicily and southern Italy"
   synonyms: settle (in), people, populate;More
   occupy, take over, seize, capture, subjugate
   "the Germans colonized Tanganyika in 1885"
   • come to settle among and establish political control over (the indigenous people of an area).
     "a white family that tries to colonize a Caribbean island"
   • appropriate (a place or domain) for one's own use.
   • Ecology
     (of a plant or animal) establish itself in an area.
     "mussels can colonize even the most inhospitable rock surfaces"

Of course, if the purpose in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

Right?

There is certain amount of "imperialist baggage" that applies. The Zionist movement sought to occupy a land already populated, and re-create an ancient state based on one ethnicity/religion. Pilgrims are travelers who journey to sacred places for religious reasons.

Both fit, no?

I suppose the Zionist movement is like Imperial colonization, in much the way a dolphin is like a fish.

Maybe you suppose wrong then.

How is it different, say, than the colonial experiences of the U.S.? Not just it's founding but it's expansion across the continent and it's treatment of the indiginous peoples?

The only major difference is that military conquest was not illegal then. It was illegal in the 20th century.

Israel has no land that was not conquered by military force.

Do You admit on the mistake?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Of course, if the purpose in your use of the term "colonization" is to illicitly attach all the imperialist baggage that is associated with colonialism, then certainly, "pilgrim" doesn't serve that purpose.

Right?

There is certain amount of "imperialist baggage" that applies. The Zionist movement sought to occupy a land already populated, and re-create an ancient state based on one ethnicity/religion. Pilgrims are travelers who journey to sacred places for religious reasons.

Both fit, no?

I suppose the Zionist movement is like Imperial colonization, in much the way a dolphin is like a fish.

Maybe you suppose wrong then.

How is it different, say, than the colonial experiences of the U.S.? Not just it's founding but it's expansion across the continent and it's treatment of the indiginous peoples?

The only major difference is that military conquest was not illegal then. It was illegal in the 20th century.

Israel has no land that was not conquered by military force.

Do You admit on the mistake?

What mistake?