Explanation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

[LOki]

Did the Europeans that colonized Palestine believe that the inhabitants would welcome the colonization of their land and homes?

Palestine was a colony of the Ottoman Empire. More Middle-Eastern/Asian than European.

Did the colonists believe that the local inhabitants would just sit back and not resist colonization?

Of course they'd resist, Pumpkin... reach back through the entirety of antiquity and you'll see that resistance played out again, and again, and again.

I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive.

The neat thing though, is that the local Jewish inhabitants of "Palestine"--Jewish Palestinians, if you will--were entirely welcoming of these "colonists" as you call them. Strange, you'd neglect acknowledgment of that fact.

What planet are you living on?

The planet where Palestine wasn't colonized by some (unspecified) European nation in the 20th century.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

“If tomorrow, Israel laid down its arms and announced, ‘We will fight no more,’ what would happen? And if the Arab countries around Israel laid down their arms and announced, ‘We will fight no more,’ what would happen?” Prager asks. “In the first case, there would be an immediate destruction of the state of Israel and mass murder of its Jewish population. In the second case, there would be peace the next day.”

I believe Israel don’t have any goal to conquer more territory or to eliminate all the arabs around Israel. I believe Mr.Prager. Don’t you think he’s right? If you don’t, show your vision of the problem.

How about Israel just comply with international law and end the illegal and immoral occupation and blockade?

The occupation is the cause of all the violence.

What occupation? Israel is trying to live in the middle of people that swear to their destruction. You have to realize that the Palestinians have sworn to the destruction of Israel. Right? If the Palestinians would say Israel could live in peace, there would be no war. Why is Israel the only country that can't defend itself?

Welcome Davey! Israel should indeed defend itself.

 

[Phoenall]

Let me start my response with this: I'm not a social justice warrior; I'm not making a social justice point. I don't give a fuck about the prehistoric underpinnings of this inter-tribal bloodbath. I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive. Mostly because it's all full of lies--from BOTH sides. Hence, that narrative is not something I'm going to give weight to. Don't even bring it up.

That said, there is a point in recent history that helps define the situation clearly. That point is May 14, 1948. On that date, in the region that the Western powers knew as "Palestine," the Jewish People's Council introduced to the world the sovereign state of Israel; recognized by both the United States of America and the Soviet Union--the most powerful sovereign powers of the time.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that the "Palestinian" nation of Israel was attacked on the very day of its birth, by hostile Arab/Islamic nations surrounding it--and those hostile foreign nations sponsored traitors within the Arab/Islamic population of Israel.

It occurs to me that these Arab/Islamic Israelis ("Palestinians") actually belonged (briefly) to a nation in somewhere between May 14th and May 15th, 1948. They belonged to a nation that asserted a commitment to "foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; ... be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; ... ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture;..."

Yet these "Palestinians" chose to fight with the forces of hostile invading nations, against their own newly formed nation (i.e. Israel)--and then they lost. They could have fought with their own countrymen in defense of their nation, but they chose otherwise. It's pretty self evident why Israel wanted nothing to do with those back-stabbing shit-birds.

You cannot deny that Jewish "Palestinians" (Israelis) stood up as the valid sovereign organization on the eve that Great Britain abandoned its administrative control of the region. You cannot claim that Arab/Islamic "Palestinians" stood up as a valid sovereign organization to make a competing claim. And you cannot deny that (aided by foreign nations) certain Arab/Islamic Israelis went beyond contesting the legitimacy of Israeli sovereignty, but went all the more farther by embracing the invaders of their own lands--traitors to their nation and traitors to themselves.

Considering the behavior of the progeny of those traitors, I'm entirely unsurprised that Israelis are unwelcoming to them; and yet I am wholly surprised at the restraint Israel has exercised in not obliterating them from the planet in the manner that they have clearly been so capable of doing all this time.

I think these "Palestinians" have been barred from citizenship in the surrounding Arab/Islamic nations (most notably Jordan and Syria) because the citizens of those nations weren't too keen on patriating the traitors to Israel that they sponsored in 1948 (after all, traitors ARE traitors regardless of which side they sell-out to); and they sensibly maintain that same position of disdain for the trouble-making posterity of those traitors.

If I'm not wrong about this, it seems apparent to me that the right thing for these Palestinians to do is accept that their forebears lost for them any claim to a homeland in Israel when they turned against their countrymen and lost; and (in light of their behavior since) they should accept with gratitude any accommodations they get now. One of those accommodations really ought to be the possibility of patriation by the sponsor nations of their treason.

Let me correct you.

Thank you. Please do.

The surrounding Arab states did not attack the Jews in Palestine.

Well, they most certainly did. That they did so is historical fact.

The surrounding Arab states intervened in an attempt to prevent the Jews in Palestine from massacring and evicting the Christians and Muslims under the Plan Dalet.

Semantics. I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive. Mostly because it's all full of lies--from BOTH sides. Hence, that narrative is not something I'm going to give weight to. Don't even bring it up.

That said, there is a point in recent history that helps define the situation clearly. That point is May 14, 1948. On that date, in the region that the Western powers knew as "Palestine," the Jewish People's Council introduced to the world the sovereign state of Israel; recognized by both the United States of America and the Soviet Union--the most powerful sovereign powers of the time.

The Jews intended to massacre and evict as many non-Jews from the area illegally assigned to them as indicated by Plan Dalet.

Or, alternatively the Jews intended to evict or otherwise remove the soon-to-be traitors to the nascent state of Israel, sponsored by the surrounding Arab/Islamic nations who were conspicuously planning to claim the Palestinian territory for themselves.

You see? This is why I don't give a fuck about anything before May 14, 1948. I just don't give a fuck about the prehistoric underpinnings of this inter-tribal blood-bath. While I understand that May 13, 1948 is not pre-history, I draw the line at last moment the previous recognized sovereign in control of the region left, and the next recognized sovereign took over.

The Christians and Muslims knew this was the plan and had every right to attempt to prevent the Jews from implementing their plan for ethnic cleansing and genocide.

This nothing but appeal to emotion. And hearsay semantics. Which is why I don't give a fuck about anything before May 14, 1948.

The Palestinians continue to have every right to attempt to regain their land in any way possible including demographics, which is probably how they will regain their land eventually.

No. No they don't.

These Arab/Islamic Israelis ("Palestinians") actually belonged (briefly) to a nation in somewhere between May 14th and May 15th, 1948. They belonged to a nation that asserted a commitment to "foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; ... be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; ... ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture;..."

Yet these "Palestinians" chose to fight with the forces of hostile invading nations, against their own newly formed nation (i.e. Israel)--and then they lost. They could have fought beside their own countrymen in defense of their nation, but they chose otherwise.

The right thing for these "Palestinians" to do is accept that their forebears lost for them any claim to a homeland in Israel when they turned against their countrymen and lost; and (in light of their behavior since) they should accept with gratitude any accommodations they get now. One of those accommodations really ought to be the possibility of patriation by the sponsor nations of their treason. Jordan seems to be the best likely candidate.

That the Arab states were unsuccessful in preventing the massacre of Christians and Muslims and their eviction by the Jews does not mean that the their intervention was in anyway unjustified.

I'm not a social justice warrior; I'm not making a social justice point. I don't give a fuck about the prehistoric underpinnings of this inter-tribal bloodbath. I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive. Mostly because it's all full of lies--from BOTH sides. Hence, that narrative is not something I'm going to give weight to. Don't even bring it up.

I will not only bring it up, I will repeat it, because it is fact. All you do is repeat Zionist propaganda derived from Zionist sources. That is, you post bullshit, I post fact. The Jews had no intention of allowing the Christians and Muslims to remain. The only reason 10%-15% of Christians and Muslims were not expelled or massacred by the Jews was as a result of the Arab League's intervention. Left to their own devices the Jews would have expelled or killed every Christian and Muslim. This was the plan prior to Israel's independence.

" Yosef Weitz, who was at the time director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department. This man of noted Zionist convictions confided to his diary on 20 December 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe.”

Seven years later, Weitz found himself in a position to put this radical programme into effect. Already, in January 1948, he was orchestrating the expulsion of Palestinians from various parts of the country. In April he proposed - and obtained - the creation of “a body which would direct the Yishuv’s war with the aim of evicting as many Arabs as possible”. This body was unofficial at first, but was formalised at the end of August 1948 into the “Transfer Committee” which supervised the destruction of abandoned Arab villages and/or their repopulation with recent Jewish immigrants, in order to make any return of the refugees impossible. Its role was extended, in July, to take in the creation of Jewish settlements in the border areas."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

Nowhere in your link can I find any mention of you NAZI RACIST claims that the Jews were planning to wipe out the muslims and Christians.

The only people expelled by Israel where fifth columnists, known terrorists, agitators and criminals. And as another of your links showed these amounted to under 12,000 people. The rest left of their own accord.

" Yosef Weitz, who was at the time director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department. This man of noted Zionist convictions confided to his diary on 20 December 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe.”

Seven years later, Weitz found himself in a position to put this radical programme into effect. Already, in January 1948, he was orchestrating the expulsion of Palestinians from various parts of the country. In April he proposed - and obtained - the creation of “a body which would direct the Yishuv’s war with the aim of evicting as many Arabs as possible”. This body was unofficial at first, but was formalised at the end of August 1948 into the “Transfer Committee” which supervised the destruction of abandoned Arab villages and/or their repopulation with recent Jewish immigrants, in order to make any return of the refugees impossible. Its role was extended, in July, to take in the creation of Jewish settlements in the border areas."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

Does not say what you claim, you are letting your NAZI JEW HATRED cloud your mind again

 

[montelatici]

Did the Europeans that colonized Palestine believe that the inhabitants would welcome the colonization of their land and homes?

Palestine was a colony of the Ottoman Empire. More Middle-Eastern/Asian than European.

Did the colonists believe that the local inhabitants would just sit back and not resist colonization?

Of course they'd resist, Pumpkin... reach back through the entirety of antiquity and you'll see that resistance played out again, and again, and again.

I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive.

The neat thing though, is that the local Jewish inhabitants of "Palestine"--Jewish Palestinians, if you will--were entirely welcoming of these "colonists" as you call them. Strange, you'd neglect acknowledgment of that fact.

What planet are you living on?

The planet where Palestine wasn't colonized by some (unspecified) European nation in the 20th century.

Colonization and 20th centiury, son.

Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ
July 25, 1926


London (Jul. 23)

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,” Dr. Weizmann said.


Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

 

[LOki]

Thank you. Please do.

Well, they most certainly did. That they did so is historical fact.

Semantics. I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive. Mostly because it's all full of lies--from BOTH sides. Hence, that narrative is not something I'm going to give weight to. Don't even bring it up.

That said, there is a point in recent history that helps define the situation clearly. That point is May 14, 1948. On that date, in the region that the Western powers knew as "Palestine," the Jewish People's Council introduced to the world the sovereign state of Israel; recognized by both the United States of America and the Soviet Union--the most powerful sovereign powers of the time.

Or, alternatively the Jews intended to evict or otherwise remove the soon-to-be traitors to the nascent state of Israel, sponsored by the surrounding Arab/Islamic nations who were conspicuously planning to claim the Palestinian territory for themselves.

You see? This is why I don't give a fuck about anything before May 14, 1948. I just don't give a fuck about the prehistoric underpinnings of this inter-tribal blood-bath. While I understand that May 13, 1948 is not pre-history, I draw the line at last moment the previous recognized sovereign in control of the region left, and the next recognized sovereign took over.

This nothing but appeal to emotion. And hearsay semantics. Which is why I don't give a fuck about anything before May 14, 1948.

No. No they don't.

These Arab/Islamic Israelis ("Palestinians") actually belonged (briefly) to a nation in somewhere between May 14th and May 15th, 1948. They belonged to a nation that asserted a commitment to "foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; ... be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; ... ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture;..."

Yet these "Palestinians" chose to fight with the forces of hostile invading nations, against their own newly formed nation (i.e. Israel)--and then they lost. They could have fought beside their own countrymen in defense of their nation, but they chose otherwise.

The right thing for these "Palestinians" to do is accept that their forebears lost for them any claim to a homeland in Israel when they turned against their countrymen and lost; and (in light of their behavior since) they should accept with gratitude any accommodations they get now. One of those accommodations really ought to be the possibility of patriation by the sponsor nations of their treason. Jordan seems to be the best likely candidate.

I'm not a social justice warrior; I'm not making a social justice point. I don't give a fuck about the prehistoric underpinnings of this inter-tribal bloodbath. I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive. Mostly because it's all full of lies--from BOTH sides. Hence, that narrative is not something I'm going to give weight to. Don't even bring it up.

I will not only bring it up, I will repeat it, because it is fact.

I'm not disputing or affirming your "facts." They are irrelevant to my point for the precise reasons I submitted, which you refuse to acknowledge.

Seriously. Don't bother to bring it up. It's meaningless to the whole world of people who do not give a fuck about the rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other.

All you do is repeat Zionist propaganda derived from Zionist sources. That is, you post bullshit, I post fact.

Ah. I see clearly. All that which fails to validate the brutality your favored rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon the other rock-chucking retards is "Zionist propaganda derived from Zionist sources," "bullshit."

You are obviously an antisemitic ideologue. Good for you, Pumpkin.

You know what Cupcake? I don't give a fuck that you're the grand-fucking-dragon of your own personal illuminati lodge that claims the sole monopoly on what is "fact."

What you post looks just like the lies submitted by "Zionist" propagandists. You're both clown-shoes.

The Jews had no intention of allowing the Christians and Muslims to remain.

Yet they remain.

The only reason 10%-15% of Christians and Muslims were not expelled or massacred by the Jews was as a result of the Arab League's intervention.

So this Arab League that failed to prevent the existence of the nation of Israel--which was establishing their sovereignty through massacring Christians and Muslims--managed to do what?... help establish the existence of the state of Israel by preventing the massacre Christians and Muslims? Gotcha.

Left to their own devices the Jews would have expelled or killed every Christian and Muslim.

Yet they are still there. The Arab League ENTIRELY powerless to prevent further expulsions or "massacres." So very strange.

This was the plan prior to Israel's independence.

Well. I hate to break this to you Cupcake; while I recognize the actual existence of "Plan Dalet" and what it says, considering the fine relationship Israel has with Christians and Muslims in their country who do not behave like violent sociopaths, either they were not as committed to this "plan" in the manner your dogma insists, or there really was no such "plan" (in the manner your dogma insists) in the first place.

Either way, I don't give a fuck about the rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other.

It's not just Plan Dalet, there was every intention of the European Jews to colonize Palestine from the beginning.

New York Times July 20, 1899

Zionists planned to colonize Palestine in 1899 NY Times

Jewish Telegraphic Agency July 25, 1926

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,”

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

And in 1940 the director of the Jewish National Fund's Lands Department was clear on the Jewish intentions:


" Yosef Weitz, who was at the time director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department. This man of noted Zionist convictions confided to his diary on 20 December 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe.”

Seven years later, Weitz found himself in a position to put this radical programme into effect. Already, in January 1948, he was orchestrating the expulsion of Palestinians from various parts of the country. In April he proposed - and obtained - the creation of “a body which would direct the Yishuv’s war with the aim of evicting as many Arabs as possible”. This body was unofficial at first, but was formalised at the end of August 1948 into the “Transfer Committee” which supervised the destruction of abandoned Arab villages and/or their repopulation with recent Jewish immigrants, in order to make any return of the refugees impossible. Its role was extended, in July, to take in the creation of Jewish settlements in the border areas."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

I don't give a fuck about the prehistoric underpinnings of this inter-tribal bloodbath. I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive. Mostly because it's all full of lies--from BOTH sides. Hence, that narrative is not something I'm going to give weight to. Don't even bring it up.

So, in light of your most recent contribution, the right thing for these "Palestinians" to do is still; accept that their forebears lost for them any claim to a homeland in Israel when they turned against their countrymen and lost; and (in light of their behavior since) they should accept with gratitude any accommodations they get now. One of those accommodations really ought to be the possibility of patriation by the sponsor nations of their treason. Jordan seems to be the best likely candidate

They did not "turn against their countrymen"...

They sure did. The record is unambiguous on that point.

...they elected to resist being murdered or expelled by the colonists from Europe.

There were no such "colonists," and there was no such policy of murder or expulsion.

You need to actually read Plan Delat to understand that reality, Cupcake.

As the record shows, the Europeans intended to kill or evict every non-Jew in the territory.

Only your specially contrived record shows that intent, Cupcake.

The Palestinians have every legal right, under international law, to seek to reacquire their homes and land.

The right thing for these "Palestinians" to do is still; accept that their forebears lost for them any claim to a homeland in Israel when they turned against their countrymen and lost; and (in light of their behavior since) they should accept with gratitude any accommodations they get now. One of those accommodations really ought to be the possibility of patriation by the sponsor nations of their treason. Jordan seems to be the best likely candidate

 

[Phoenall]

Let me start my response with this: I'm not a social justice warrior; I'm not making a social justice point. I don't give a fuck about the prehistoric underpinnings of this inter-tribal bloodbath. I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive. Mostly because it's all full of lies--from BOTH sides. Hence, that narrative is not something I'm going to give weight to. Don't even bring it up.

That said, there is a point in recent history that helps define the situation clearly. That point is May 14, 1948. On that date, in the region that the Western powers knew as "Palestine," the Jewish People's Council introduced to the world the sovereign state of Israel; recognized by both the United States of America and the Soviet Union--the most powerful sovereign powers of the time.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that the "Palestinian" nation of Israel was attacked on the very day of its birth, by hostile Arab/Islamic nations surrounding it--and those hostile foreign nations sponsored traitors within the Arab/Islamic population of Israel.

It occurs to me that these Arab/Islamic Israelis ("Palestinians") actually belonged (briefly) to a nation in somewhere between May 14th and May 15th, 1948. They belonged to a nation that asserted a commitment to "foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; ... be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; ... ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture;..."

Yet these "Palestinians" chose to fight with the forces of hostile invading nations, against their own newly formed nation (i.e. Israel)--and then they lost. They could have fought with their own countrymen in defense of their nation, but they chose otherwise. It's pretty self evident why Israel wanted nothing to do with those back-stabbing shit-birds.

You cannot deny that Jewish "Palestinians" (Israelis) stood up as the valid sovereign organization on the eve that Great Britain abandoned its administrative control of the region. You cannot claim that Arab/Islamic "Palestinians" stood up as a valid sovereign organization to make a competing claim. And you cannot deny that (aided by foreign nations) certain Arab/Islamic Israelis went beyond contesting the legitimacy of Israeli sovereignty, but went all the more farther by embracing the invaders of their own lands--traitors to their nation and traitors to themselves.

Considering the behavior of the progeny of those traitors, I'm entirely unsurprised that Israelis are unwelcoming to them; and yet I am wholly surprised at the restraint Israel has exercised in not obliterating them from the planet in the manner that they have clearly been so capable of doing all this time.

I think these "Palestinians" have been barred from citizenship in the surrounding Arab/Islamic nations (most notably Jordan and Syria) because the citizens of those nations weren't too keen on patriating the traitors to Israel that they sponsored in 1948 (after all, traitors ARE traitors regardless of which side they sell-out to); and they sensibly maintain that same position of disdain for the trouble-making posterity of those traitors.

If I'm not wrong about this, it seems apparent to me that the right thing for these Palestinians to do is accept that their forebears lost for them any claim to a homeland in Israel when they turned against their countrymen and lost; and (in light of their behavior since) they should accept with gratitude any accommodations they get now. One of those accommodations really ought to be the possibility of patriation by the sponsor nations of their treason.

Let me correct you.

Thank you. Please do.

The surrounding Arab states did not attack the Jews in Palestine.

Well, they most certainly did. That they did so is historical fact.

The surrounding Arab states intervened in an attempt to prevent the Jews in Palestine from massacring and evicting the Christians and Muslims under the Plan Dalet.

Semantics. I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive. Mostly because it's all full of lies--from BOTH sides. Hence, that narrative is not something I'm going to give weight to. Don't even bring it up.

That said, there is a point in recent history that helps define the situation clearly. That point is May 14, 1948. On that date, in the region that the Western powers knew as "Palestine," the Jewish People's Council introduced to the world the sovereign state of Israel; recognized by both the United States of America and the Soviet Union--the most powerful sovereign powers of the time.

The Jews intended to massacre and evict as many non-Jews from the area illegally assigned to them as indicated by Plan Dalet.

Or, alternatively the Jews intended to evict or otherwise remove the soon-to-be traitors to the nascent state of Israel, sponsored by the surrounding Arab/Islamic nations who were conspicuously planning to claim the Palestinian territory for themselves.

You see? This is why I don't give a fuck about anything before May 14, 1948. I just don't give a fuck about the prehistoric underpinnings of this inter-tribal blood-bath. While I understand that May 13, 1948 is not pre-history, I draw the line at last moment the previous recognized sovereign in control of the region left, and the next recognized sovereign took over.

The Christians and Muslims knew this was the plan and had every right to attempt to prevent the Jews from implementing their plan for ethnic cleansing and genocide.

This nothing but appeal to emotion. And hearsay semantics. Which is why I don't give a fuck about anything before May 14, 1948.

The Palestinians continue to have every right to attempt to regain their land in any way possible including demographics, which is probably how they will regain their land eventually.

No. No they don't.

These Arab/Islamic Israelis ("Palestinians") actually belonged (briefly) to a nation in somewhere between May 14th and May 15th, 1948. They belonged to a nation that asserted a commitment to "foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; ... be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; ... ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture;..."

Yet these "Palestinians" chose to fight with the forces of hostile invading nations, against their own newly formed nation (i.e. Israel)--and then they lost. They could have fought beside their own countrymen in defense of their nation, but they chose otherwise.

The right thing for these "Palestinians" to do is accept that their forebears lost for them any claim to a homeland in Israel when they turned against their countrymen and lost; and (in light of their behavior since) they should accept with gratitude any accommodations they get now. One of those accommodations really ought to be the possibility of patriation by the sponsor nations of their treason. Jordan seems to be the best likely candidate.

That the Arab states were unsuccessful in preventing the massacre of Christians and Muslims and their eviction by the Jews does not mean that the their intervention was in anyway unjustified.

I'm not a social justice warrior; I'm not making a social justice point. I don't give a fuck about the prehistoric underpinnings of this inter-tribal bloodbath. I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive. Mostly because it's all full of lies--from BOTH sides. Hence, that narrative is not something I'm going to give weight to. Don't even bring it up.

I will not only bring it up, I will repeat it, because it is fact.

I'm not disputing or affirming your "facts." They are irrelevant to my point for the precise reasons I submitted, which you refuse to acknowledge.

Seriously. Don't bother to bring it up. It's meaningless to the whole world of people who do not give a fuck about the rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other.

All you do is repeat Zionist propaganda derived from Zionist sources. That is, you post bullshit, I post fact.

Ah. I see clearly. All that which fails to validate the brutality your favored rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon the other rock-chucking retards is "Zionist propaganda derived from Zionist sources," "bullshit."

You are obviously an antisemitic ideologue. Good for you, Pumpkin.

You know what Cupcake? I don't give a fuck that you're the grand-fucking-dragon of your own personal illuminati lodge that claims the sole monopoly on what is "fact."

What you post looks just like the lies submitted by "Zionist" propagandists. You're both clown-shoes.

The Jews had no intention of allowing the Christians and Muslims to remain.

Yet they remain.

The only reason 10%-15% of Christians and Muslims were not expelled or massacred by the Jews was as a result of the Arab League's intervention.

So this Arab League that failed to prevent the existence of the nation of Israel--which was establishing their sovereignty through massacring Christians and Muslims--managed to do what?... help establish the existence of the state of Israel by preventing the massacre Christians and Muslims? Gotcha.

Left to their own devices the Jews would have expelled or killed every Christian and Muslim.

Yet they are still there. The Arab League ENTIRELY powerless to prevent further expulsions or "massacres." So very strange.

This was the plan prior to Israel's independence.

Well. I hate to break this to you Cupcake; while I recognize the actual existence of "Plan Dalet" and what it says, considering the fine relationship Israel has with Christians and Muslims in their country who do not behave like violent sociopaths, either they were not as committed to this "plan" in the manner your dogma insists, or there really was no such "plan" (in the manner your dogma insists) in the first place.

Either way, I don't give a fuck about the rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other.

It's not just Plan Dalet, there was every intention of the European Jews to colonize Palestine from the beginning.

New York Times July 20, 1899

Zionists planned to colonize Palestine in 1899 NY Times

Jewish Telegraphic Agency July 25, 1926

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,”

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

And in 1940 the director of the Jewish National Fund's Lands Department was clear on the Jewish intentions:


" Yosef Weitz, who was at the time director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department. This man of noted Zionist convictions confided to his diary on 20 December 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe.”

Seven years later, Weitz found himself in a position to put this radical programme into effect. Already, in January 1948, he was orchestrating the expulsion of Palestinians from various parts of the country. In April he proposed - and obtained - the creation of “a body which would direct the Yishuv’s war with the aim of evicting as many Arabs as possible”. This body was unofficial at first, but was formalised at the end of August 1948 into the “Transfer Committee” which supervised the destruction of abandoned Arab villages and/or their repopulation with recent Jewish immigrants, in order to make any return of the refugees impossible. Its role was extended, in July, to take in the creation of Jewish settlements in the border areas."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

And where does it say that this was put into operation and all the Muslims and Christians were expelled or killed by the Jews ?

 

[montelatici]

How is it possible for you to be wrong on every point. It's amazing.

Yosef Weitz, who was at the time director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department. This man of noted Zionist convictions confided to his diary on 20 December 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe.”

Seven years later, Weitz found himself in a position to put this radical programme into effect. Already, in January 1948, he was orchestrating the expulsion of Palestinians from various parts of the country. In April he proposed - and obtained - the creation of “a body which would direct the Yishuv’s war with the aim of evicting as many Arabs as possible”. This body was unofficial at first, but was formalised at the end of August 1948 into the “Transfer Committee” which supervised the destruction of abandoned Arab villages and/or their repopulation with recent Jewish immigrants, in order to make any return of the refugees impossible. Its role was extended, in July, to take in the creation of Jewish settlements in the border areas.

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

 

[Phoenall]

Did the Europeans that colonized Palestine believe that the inhabitants would welcome the colonization of their land and homes?

Palestine was a colony of the Ottoman Empire. More Middle-Eastern/Asian than European.

Did the colonists believe that the local inhabitants would just sit back and not resist colonization?

Of course they'd resist, Pumpkin... reach back through the entirety of antiquity and you'll see that resistance played out again, and again, and again.

I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive.

The neat thing though, is that the local Jewish inhabitants of "Palestine"--Jewish Palestinians, if you will--were entirely welcoming of these "colonists" as you call them. Strange, you'd neglect acknowledgment of that fact.

What planet are you living on?

The planet where Palestine wasn't colonized by some (unspecified) European nation in the 20th century.

Colonization and 20th centiury, son.

Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ
July 25, 1926


London (Jul. 23)

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,” Dr. Weizmann said.


Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

And where does it say that this was implemented as an official Israeli action, and when was it implemented.

Just more examples of your NAZI JEW HATRED

 

[LOki]

Did the Europeans that colonized Palestine believe that the inhabitants would welcome the colonization of their land and homes?

Palestine was a colony of the Ottoman Empire. More Middle-Eastern/Asian than European.

Did the colonists believe that the local inhabitants would just sit back and not resist colonization?

Of course they'd resist, Pumpkin... reach back through the entirety of antiquity and you'll see that resistance played out again, and again, and again.

I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive.

The neat thing though, is that the local Jewish inhabitants of "Palestine"--Jewish Palestinians, if you will--were entirely welcoming of these "colonists" as you call them. Strange, you'd neglect acknowledgment of that fact.

What planet are you living on?

The planet where Palestine wasn't colonized by some (unspecified) European nation in the 20th century.

Colonization and 20th centiury, son.

Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ
July 25, 1926


London (Jul. 23)

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,” Dr. Weizmann said.


Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Jewish colonization, Pumpkin. That's what it says.

 

[montelatici]

Let me correct you.

Thank you. Please do.

The surrounding Arab states did not attack the Jews in Palestine.

Well, they most certainly did. That they did so is historical fact.

The surrounding Arab states intervened in an attempt to prevent the Jews in Palestine from massacring and evicting the Christians and Muslims under the Plan Dalet.

Semantics. I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive. Mostly because it's all full of lies--from BOTH sides. Hence, that narrative is not something I'm going to give weight to. Don't even bring it up.

That said, there is a point in recent history that helps define the situation clearly. That point is May 14, 1948. On that date, in the region that the Western powers knew as "Palestine," the Jewish People's Council introduced to the world the sovereign state of Israel; recognized by both the United States of America and the Soviet Union--the most powerful sovereign powers of the time.

The Jews intended to massacre and evict as many non-Jews from the area illegally assigned to them as indicated by Plan Dalet.

Or, alternatively the Jews intended to evict or otherwise remove the soon-to-be traitors to the nascent state of Israel, sponsored by the surrounding Arab/Islamic nations who were conspicuously planning to claim the Palestinian territory for themselves.

You see? This is why I don't give a fuck about anything before May 14, 1948. I just don't give a fuck about the prehistoric underpinnings of this inter-tribal blood-bath. While I understand that May 13, 1948 is not pre-history, I draw the line at last moment the previous recognized sovereign in control of the region left, and the next recognized sovereign took over.

The Christians and Muslims knew this was the plan and had every right to attempt to prevent the Jews from implementing their plan for ethnic cleansing and genocide.

This nothing but appeal to emotion. And hearsay semantics. Which is why I don't give a fuck about anything before May 14, 1948.

The Palestinians continue to have every right to attempt to regain their land in any way possible including demographics, which is probably how they will regain their land eventually.

No. No they don't.

These Arab/Islamic Israelis ("Palestinians") actually belonged (briefly) to a nation in somewhere between May 14th and May 15th, 1948. They belonged to a nation that asserted a commitment to "foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; ... be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; ... ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture;..."

Yet these "Palestinians" chose to fight with the forces of hostile invading nations, against their own newly formed nation (i.e. Israel)--and then they lost. They could have fought beside their own countrymen in defense of their nation, but they chose otherwise.

The right thing for these "Palestinians" to do is accept that their forebears lost for them any claim to a homeland in Israel when they turned against their countrymen and lost; and (in light of their behavior since) they should accept with gratitude any accommodations they get now. One of those accommodations really ought to be the possibility of patriation by the sponsor nations of their treason. Jordan seems to be the best likely candidate.

That the Arab states were unsuccessful in preventing the massacre of Christians and Muslims and their eviction by the Jews does not mean that the their intervention was in anyway unjustified.

I'm not a social justice warrior; I'm not making a social justice point. I don't give a fuck about the prehistoric underpinnings of this inter-tribal bloodbath. I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive. Mostly because it's all full of lies--from BOTH sides. Hence, that narrative is not something I'm going to give weight to. Don't even bring it up.

I will not only bring it up, I will repeat it, because it is fact.

I'm not disputing or affirming your "facts." They are irrelevant to my point for the precise reasons I submitted, which you refuse to acknowledge.

Seriously. Don't bother to bring it up. It's meaningless to the whole world of people who do not give a fuck about the rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other.

All you do is repeat Zionist propaganda derived from Zionist sources. That is, you post bullshit, I post fact.

Ah. I see clearly. All that which fails to validate the brutality your favored rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon the other rock-chucking retards is "Zionist propaganda derived from Zionist sources," "bullshit."

You are obviously an antisemitic ideologue. Good for you, Pumpkin.

You know what Cupcake? I don't give a fuck that you're the grand-fucking-dragon of your own personal illuminati lodge that claims the sole monopoly on what is "fact."

What you post looks just like the lies submitted by "Zionist" propagandists. You're both clown-shoes.

The Jews had no intention of allowing the Christians and Muslims to remain.

Yet they remain.

The only reason 10%-15% of Christians and Muslims were not expelled or massacred by the Jews was as a result of the Arab League's intervention.

So this Arab League that failed to prevent the existence of the nation of Israel--which was establishing their sovereignty through massacring Christians and Muslims--managed to do what?... help establish the existence of the state of Israel by preventing the massacre Christians and Muslims? Gotcha.

Left to their own devices the Jews would have expelled or killed every Christian and Muslim.

Yet they are still there. The Arab League ENTIRELY powerless to prevent further expulsions or "massacres." So very strange.

This was the plan prior to Israel's independence.

Well. I hate to break this to you Cupcake; while I recognize the actual existence of "Plan Dalet" and what it says, considering the fine relationship Israel has with Christians and Muslims in their country who do not behave like violent sociopaths, either they were not as committed to this "plan" in the manner your dogma insists, or there really was no such "plan" (in the manner your dogma insists) in the first place.

Either way, I don't give a fuck about the rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other.

It's not just Plan Dalet, there was every intention of the European Jews to colonize Palestine from the beginning.

New York Times July 20, 1899

Zionists planned to colonize Palestine in 1899 NY Times

Jewish Telegraphic Agency July 25, 1926

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,”

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

And in 1940 the director of the Jewish National Fund's Lands Department was clear on the Jewish intentions:


" Yosef Weitz, who was at the time director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department. This man of noted Zionist convictions confided to his diary on 20 December 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe.”

Seven years later, Weitz found himself in a position to put this radical programme into effect. Already, in January 1948, he was orchestrating the expulsion of Palestinians from various parts of the country. In April he proposed - and obtained - the creation of “a body which would direct the Yishuv’s war with the aim of evicting as many Arabs as possible”. This body was unofficial at first, but was formalised at the end of August 1948 into the “Transfer Committee” which supervised the destruction of abandoned Arab villages and/or their repopulation with recent Jewish immigrants, in order to make any return of the refugees impossible. Its role was extended, in July, to take in the creation of Jewish settlements in the border areas."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

And where does it say that this was put into operation and all the Muslims and Christians were expelled or killed by the Jews ?

The lack of success does not change the intent. The Arab League's intervention made it more difficult for the Israelis to achieve the objective, detailed below:



Yosef Weitz, who was at the time director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department. This man of noted Zionist convictions confided to his diary on 20 December 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe.”

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

 

[montelatici]

Did the Europeans that colonized Palestine believe that the inhabitants would welcome the colonization of their land and homes?

Palestine was a colony of the Ottoman Empire. More Middle-Eastern/Asian than European.

Did the colonists believe that the local inhabitants would just sit back and not resist colonization?

Of course they'd resist, Pumpkin... reach back through the entirety of antiquity and you'll see that resistance played out again, and again, and again.

I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive.

The neat thing though, is that the local Jewish inhabitants of "Palestine"--Jewish Palestinians, if you will--were entirely welcoming of these "colonists" as you call them. Strange, you'd neglect acknowledgment of that fact.

What planet are you living on?

The planet where Palestine wasn't colonized by some (unspecified) European nation in the 20th century.

Colonization and 20th centiury, son.

Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ
July 25, 1926


London (Jul. 23)

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,” Dr. Weizmann said.


Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Jewish colonization, Pumpkin. That's what it says.

So there is no disagreement, son.

 

[LOki]

Thank you. Please do.

Well, they most certainly did. That they did so is historical fact.

Semantics. I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive. Mostly because it's all full of lies--from BOTH sides. Hence, that narrative is not something I'm going to give weight to. Don't even bring it up.

That said, there is a point in recent history that helps define the situation clearly. That point is May 14, 1948. On that date, in the region that the Western powers knew as "Palestine," the Jewish People's Council introduced to the world the sovereign state of Israel; recognized by both the United States of America and the Soviet Union--the most powerful sovereign powers of the time.

Or, alternatively the Jews intended to evict or otherwise remove the soon-to-be traitors to the nascent state of Israel, sponsored by the surrounding Arab/Islamic nations who were conspicuously planning to claim the Palestinian territory for themselves.

You see? This is why I don't give a fuck about anything before May 14, 1948. I just don't give a fuck about the prehistoric underpinnings of this inter-tribal blood-bath. While I understand that May 13, 1948 is not pre-history, I draw the line at last moment the previous recognized sovereign in control of the region left, and the next recognized sovereign took over.

This nothing but appeal to emotion. And hearsay semantics. Which is why I don't give a fuck about anything before May 14, 1948.

No. No they don't.

These Arab/Islamic Israelis ("Palestinians") actually belonged (briefly) to a nation in somewhere between May 14th and May 15th, 1948. They belonged to a nation that asserted a commitment to "foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; ... be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; ... ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture;..."

Yet these "Palestinians" chose to fight with the forces of hostile invading nations, against their own newly formed nation (i.e. Israel)--and then they lost. They could have fought beside their own countrymen in defense of their nation, but they chose otherwise.

The right thing for these "Palestinians" to do is accept that their forebears lost for them any claim to a homeland in Israel when they turned against their countrymen and lost; and (in light of their behavior since) they should accept with gratitude any accommodations they get now. One of those accommodations really ought to be the possibility of patriation by the sponsor nations of their treason. Jordan seems to be the best likely candidate.

I'm not a social justice warrior; I'm not making a social justice point. I don't give a fuck about the prehistoric underpinnings of this inter-tribal bloodbath. I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive. Mostly because it's all full of lies--from BOTH sides. Hence, that narrative is not something I'm going to give weight to. Don't even bring it up.

I will not only bring it up, I will repeat it, because it is fact.

I'm not disputing or affirming your "facts." They are irrelevant to my point for the precise reasons I submitted, which you refuse to acknowledge.

Seriously. Don't bother to bring it up. It's meaningless to the whole world of people who do not give a fuck about the rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other.

All you do is repeat Zionist propaganda derived from Zionist sources. That is, you post bullshit, I post fact.

Ah. I see clearly. All that which fails to validate the brutality your favored rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon the other rock-chucking retards is "Zionist propaganda derived from Zionist sources," "bullshit."

You are obviously an antisemitic ideologue. Good for you, Pumpkin.

You know what Cupcake? I don't give a fuck that you're the grand-fucking-dragon of your own personal illuminati lodge that claims the sole monopoly on what is "fact."

What you post looks just like the lies submitted by "Zionist" propagandists. You're both clown-shoes.

The Jews had no intention of allowing the Christians and Muslims to remain.

Yet they remain.

The only reason 10%-15% of Christians and Muslims were not expelled or massacred by the Jews was as a result of the Arab League's intervention.

So this Arab League that failed to prevent the existence of the nation of Israel--which was establishing their sovereignty through massacring Christians and Muslims--managed to do what?... help establish the existence of the state of Israel by preventing the massacre Christians and Muslims? Gotcha.

Left to their own devices the Jews would have expelled or killed every Christian and Muslim.

Yet they are still there. The Arab League ENTIRELY powerless to prevent further expulsions or "massacres." So very strange.

This was the plan prior to Israel's independence.

Well. I hate to break this to you Cupcake; while I recognize the actual existence of "Plan Dalet" and what it says, considering the fine relationship Israel has with Christians and Muslims in their country who do not behave like violent sociopaths, either they were not as committed to this "plan" in the manner your dogma insists, or there really was no such "plan" (in the manner your dogma insists) in the first place.

Either way, I don't give a fuck about the rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other.

It's not just Plan Dalet, there was every intention of the European Jews to colonize Palestine from the beginning.

New York Times July 20, 1899

Zionists planned to colonize Palestine in 1899 NY Times

Jewish Telegraphic Agency July 25, 1926

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,”

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

And in 1940 the director of the Jewish National Fund's Lands Department was clear on the Jewish intentions:


" Yosef Weitz, who was at the time director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department. This man of noted Zionist convictions confided to his diary on 20 December 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe.”

Seven years later, Weitz found himself in a position to put this radical programme into effect. Already, in January 1948, he was orchestrating the expulsion of Palestinians from various parts of the country. In April he proposed - and obtained - the creation of “a body which would direct the Yishuv’s war with the aim of evicting as many Arabs as possible”. This body was unofficial at first, but was formalised at the end of August 1948 into the “Transfer Committee” which supervised the destruction of abandoned Arab villages and/or their repopulation with recent Jewish immigrants, in order to make any return of the refugees impossible. Its role was extended, in July, to take in the creation of Jewish settlements in the border areas."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

And where does it say that this was put into operation and all the Muslims and Christians were expelled or killed by the Jews ?

The lack of success does not change the intent. The Arab League's intervention made it more difficult for the Israelis to achieve the objective, detailed below:



Yosef Weitz, who was at the time director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department. This man of noted Zionist convictions confided to his diary on 20 December 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe.”

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

The unfortunate reality for you Pumpkin, is that the support you bring for your very own bigoted dogma still looks more like a sad admission that the Arab/Muslims' irrational hatred for all things Jewish is as insoluble as your irrational hatred for all things Jewish; rather than some official mandate to exterminate or expel all Arabs.

 

[LOki]

Did the Europeans that colonized Palestine believe that the inhabitants would welcome the colonization of their land and homes?

Palestine was a colony of the Ottoman Empire. More Middle-Eastern/Asian than European.

Did the colonists believe that the local inhabitants would just sit back and not resist colonization?

Of course they'd resist, Pumpkin... reach back through the entirety of antiquity and you'll see that resistance played out again, and again, and again.

I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive.

The neat thing though, is that the local Jewish inhabitants of "Palestine"--Jewish Palestinians, if you will--were entirely welcoming of these "colonists" as you call them. Strange, you'd neglect acknowledgment of that fact.

What planet are you living on?

The planet where Palestine wasn't colonized by some (unspecified) European nation in the 20th century.

Colonization and 20th centiury, son.

Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ
July 25, 1926


London (Jul. 23)

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,” Dr. Weizmann said.


Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Jewish colonization, Pumpkin. That's what it says.

So there is no disagreement, son.

There is no European nation of Jews, Pumpkin. No colony. No colonists.

 

[Bleipriester]

More nonsense. When Zion puppets are running out of arguments they drop their mask...

Oh really? Jordan and it's Jordanians--particularly Western Jordanians--are linguistically, culturally, religiously, and ethnically identical to "Palestinians."

Even if true: How is this a reason to expel the Palestinians from their land?

Let me start my response with this: I'm not a social justice warrior; I'm not making a social justice point. I don't give a fuck about the prehistoric underpinnings of this inter-tribal bloodbath. I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive. Mostly because it's all full of lies--from BOTH sides. Hence, that narrative is not something I'm going to give weight to. Don't even bring it up.

That said, there is a point in recent history that helps define the situation clearly. That point is May 14, 1948. On that date, in the region that the Western powers knew as "Palestine," the Jewish People's Council introduced to the world the sovereign state of Israel; recognized by both the United States of America and the Soviet Union--the most powerful sovereign powers of the time.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that the "Palestinian" nation of Israel was attacked on the very day of its birth, by hostile Arab/Islamic nations surrounding it--and those hostile foreign nations sponsored traitors within the Arab/Islamic population of Israel.

It occurs to me that these Arab/Islamic Israelis ("Palestinians") actually belonged (briefly) to a nation in somewhere between May 14th and May 15th, 1948. They belonged to a nation that asserted a commitment to "foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; ... be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; ... ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture;..."

Yet these "Palestinians" chose to fight with the forces of hostile invading nations, against their own newly formed nation (i.e. Israel)--and then they lost. They could have fought with their own countrymen in defense of their nation, but they chose otherwise. It's pretty self evident why Israel wanted nothing to do with those back-stabbing shit-birds.

You cannot deny that Jewish "Palestinians" (Israelis) stood up as the valid sovereign organization on the eve that Great Britain abandoned its administrative control of the region. You cannot claim that Arab/Islamic "Palestinians" stood up as a valid sovereign organization to make a competing claim. And you cannot deny that (aided by foreign nations) certain Arab/Islamic Israelis went beyond contesting the legitimacy of Israeli sovereignty, but went all the more farther by embracing the invaders of their own lands--traitors to their nation and traitors to themselves.

Considering the behavior of the progeny of those traitors, I'm entirely unsurprised that Israelis are unwelcoming to them; and yet I am wholly surprised at the restraint Israel has exercised in not obliterating them from the planet in the manner that they have clearly been so capable of doing all this time.

I think these "Palestinians" have been barred from citizenship in the surrounding Arab/Islamic nations (most notably Jordan and Syria) because the citizens of those nations weren't too keen on patriating the traitors to Israel that they sponsored in 1948 (after all, traitors ARE traitors regardless of which side they sell-out to); and they sensibly maintain that same position of disdain for the trouble-making posterity of those traitors.

If I'm not wrong about this, it seems apparent to me that the right thing for these Palestinians to do is accept that their forebears lost for them any claim to a homeland in Israel when they turned against their countrymen and lost; and (in light of their behavior since) they should accept with gratitude any accommodations they get now. One of those accommodations really ought to be the possibility of patriation by the sponsor nations of their treason.

You say that Israel has been attacked since its recreation. But others say, its the other way round, among them was the SU.

I think what I said was:

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that the "Palestinian" nation of Israel was attacked on the very day of its birth, by hostile Arab/Islamic nations surrounding it--and those hostile foreign nations sponsored traitors within the Arab/Islamic population of Israel.

Are you saying that The Soviet Union claimed that Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948?

Is there any substantiation in verifiable facts of reality for such a claim?

You'd think that interesting little bit of history would have surfaced by now.

This is what I have for you:

 

[montelatici]

I will not only bring it up, I will repeat it, because it is fact.

I'm not disputing or affirming your "facts." They are irrelevant to my point for the precise reasons I submitted, which you refuse to acknowledge.

Seriously. Don't bother to bring it up. It's meaningless to the whole world of people who do not give a fuck about the rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other.

All you do is repeat Zionist propaganda derived from Zionist sources. That is, you post bullshit, I post fact.

Ah. I see clearly. All that which fails to validate the brutality your favored rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon the other rock-chucking retards is "Zionist propaganda derived from Zionist sources," "bullshit."

You are obviously an antisemitic ideologue. Good for you, Pumpkin.

You know what Cupcake? I don't give a fuck that you're the grand-fucking-dragon of your own personal illuminati lodge that claims the sole monopoly on what is "fact."

What you post looks just like the lies submitted by "Zionist" propagandists. You're both clown-shoes.

The Jews had no intention of allowing the Christians and Muslims to remain.

Yet they remain.

The only reason 10%-15% of Christians and Muslims were not expelled or massacred by the Jews was as a result of the Arab League's intervention.

So this Arab League that failed to prevent the existence of the nation of Israel--which was establishing their sovereignty through massacring Christians and Muslims--managed to do what?... help establish the existence of the state of Israel by preventing the massacre Christians and Muslims? Gotcha.

Left to their own devices the Jews would have expelled or killed every Christian and Muslim.

Yet they are still there. The Arab League ENTIRELY powerless to prevent further expulsions or "massacres." So very strange.

This was the plan prior to Israel's independence.

Well. I hate to break this to you Cupcake; while I recognize the actual existence of "Plan Dalet" and what it says, considering the fine relationship Israel has with Christians and Muslims in their country who do not behave like violent sociopaths, either they were not as committed to this "plan" in the manner your dogma insists, or there really was no such "plan" (in the manner your dogma insists) in the first place.

Either way, I don't give a fuck about the rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other.

It's not just Plan Dalet, there was every intention of the European Jews to colonize Palestine from the beginning.

New York Times July 20, 1899

Zionists planned to colonize Palestine in 1899 NY Times

Jewish Telegraphic Agency July 25, 1926

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,”

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

And in 1940 the director of the Jewish National Fund's Lands Department was clear on the Jewish intentions:


" Yosef Weitz, who was at the time director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department. This man of noted Zionist convictions confided to his diary on 20 December 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe.”

Seven years later, Weitz found himself in a position to put this radical programme into effect. Already, in January 1948, he was orchestrating the expulsion of Palestinians from various parts of the country. In April he proposed - and obtained - the creation of “a body which would direct the Yishuv’s war with the aim of evicting as many Arabs as possible”. This body was unofficial at first, but was formalised at the end of August 1948 into the “Transfer Committee” which supervised the destruction of abandoned Arab villages and/or their repopulation with recent Jewish immigrants, in order to make any return of the refugees impossible. Its role was extended, in July, to take in the creation of Jewish settlements in the border areas."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

And where does it say that this was put into operation and all the Muslims and Christians were expelled or killed by the Jews ?

The lack of success does not change the intent. The Arab League's intervention made it more difficult for the Israelis to achieve the objective, detailed below:



Yosef Weitz, who was at the time director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department. This man of noted Zionist convictions confided to his diary on 20 December 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe.”

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

The unfortunate reality for you Pumpkin, is that the support you bring for your very own bigoted dogma still looks more like a sad admission that the Arab/Muslims' irrational hatred for all things Jewish is as insoluble as your irrational hatred for all things Jewish; rather than some official mandate to exterminate or expel all Arabs.

I don't hate Jews or "all things Jewish". Where do you come up with that? The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims might, understandably, hate Jews in general after what the Jews have done (and are doing) to them. But, I suspect that Palestinians most differentiate between Zionists and Jews.

 

[LOki]

Oh really? Jordan and it's Jordanians--particularly Western Jordanians--are linguistically, culturally, religiously, and ethnically identical to "Palestinians."

Even if true: How is this a reason to expel the Palestinians from their land?

Let me start my response with this: I'm not a social justice warrior; I'm not making a social justice point. I don't give a fuck about the prehistoric underpinnings of this inter-tribal bloodbath. I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive. Mostly because it's all full of lies--from BOTH sides. Hence, that narrative is not something I'm going to give weight to. Don't even bring it up.

That said, there is a point in recent history that helps define the situation clearly. That point is May 14, 1948. On that date, in the region that the Western powers knew as "Palestine," the Jewish People's Council introduced to the world the sovereign state of Israel; recognized by both the United States of America and the Soviet Union--the most powerful sovereign powers of the time.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that the "Palestinian" nation of Israel was attacked on the very day of its birth, by hostile Arab/Islamic nations surrounding it--and those hostile foreign nations sponsored traitors within the Arab/Islamic population of Israel.

It occurs to me that these Arab/Islamic Israelis ("Palestinians") actually belonged (briefly) to a nation in somewhere between May 14th and May 15th, 1948. They belonged to a nation that asserted a commitment to "foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; ... be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; ... ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture;..."

Yet these "Palestinians" chose to fight with the forces of hostile invading nations, against their own newly formed nation (i.e. Israel)--and then they lost. They could have fought with their own countrymen in defense of their nation, but they chose otherwise. It's pretty self evident why Israel wanted nothing to do with those back-stabbing shit-birds.

You cannot deny that Jewish "Palestinians" (Israelis) stood up as the valid sovereign organization on the eve that Great Britain abandoned its administrative control of the region. You cannot claim that Arab/Islamic "Palestinians" stood up as a valid sovereign organization to make a competing claim. And you cannot deny that (aided by foreign nations) certain Arab/Islamic Israelis went beyond contesting the legitimacy of Israeli sovereignty, but went all the more farther by embracing the invaders of their own lands--traitors to their nation and traitors to themselves.

Considering the behavior of the progeny of those traitors, I'm entirely unsurprised that Israelis are unwelcoming to them; and yet I am wholly surprised at the restraint Israel has exercised in not obliterating them from the planet in the manner that they have clearly been so capable of doing all this time.

I think these "Palestinians" have been barred from citizenship in the surrounding Arab/Islamic nations (most notably Jordan and Syria) because the citizens of those nations weren't too keen on patriating the traitors to Israel that they sponsored in 1948 (after all, traitors ARE traitors regardless of which side they sell-out to); and they sensibly maintain that same position of disdain for the trouble-making posterity of those traitors.

If I'm not wrong about this, it seems apparent to me that the right thing for these Palestinians to do is accept that their forebears lost for them any claim to a homeland in Israel when they turned against their countrymen and lost; and (in light of their behavior since) they should accept with gratitude any accommodations they get now. One of those accommodations really ought to be the possibility of patriation by the sponsor nations of their treason.

You say that Israel has been attacked since its recreation. But others say, its the other way round, among them was the SU.

I think what I said was:

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that the "Palestinian" nation of Israel was attacked on the very day of its birth, by hostile Arab/Islamic nations surrounding it--and those hostile foreign nations sponsored traitors within the Arab/Islamic population of Israel.

Are you saying that The Soviet Union claimed that Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948?

Is there any substantiation in verifiable facts of reality for such a claim?

You'd think that interesting little bit of history would have surfaced by now.

This is what I have for you:

1) I have to wonder how you knew I could read German. Have I met you IRL?

2) I admit that my days of regular German usage are far behind me, so I might have missed the part where this actually states that The Soviet Union claims Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948,... you know, in some unprovoked manner.

 

[Bleipriester]

1) I have to wonder how you knew I could read German. Have I met you IRL?

I don´t think so but most of you guys here are able to read German. It is the only source, anyway,

2) I admit that my days of regular German usage are far behind me, so I might have missed the part where this actually states that The Soviet Union claims Israel attacked the neighboring Arab/Islamic nations on May 14, 1948,... you know, in some unprovoked manner.

As you can read, the Israeli´s started the war by an unscheduled declaration of the Israeli nation.

 

[montelatici]

Did the Europeans that colonized Palestine believe that the inhabitants would welcome the colonization of their land and homes?

Palestine was a colony of the Ottoman Empire. More Middle-Eastern/Asian than European.

Did the colonists believe that the local inhabitants would just sit back and not resist colonization?

Of course they'd resist, Pumpkin... reach back through the entirety of antiquity and you'll see that resistance played out again, and again, and again.

I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive.

The neat thing though, is that the local Jewish inhabitants of "Palestine"--Jewish Palestinians, if you will--were entirely welcoming of these "colonists" as you call them. Strange, you'd neglect acknowledgment of that fact.

What planet are you living on?

The planet where Palestine wasn't colonized by some (unspecified) European nation in the 20th century.

Colonization and 20th centiury, son.

Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ
July 25, 1926


London (Jul. 23)

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,” Dr. Weizmann said.


Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Jewish colonization, Pumpkin. That's what it says.

So there is no disagreement, son.

There is no European nation of Jews, Pumpkin. No colony. No colonists.

Let's see, bozo says no colonists and Weizmann says he plans to colonize, not only Palestine but Trans-Jordan too. Who should we believe? A clown, or the first president of Israel? That's the thing about ideologues they are able to ignore fact.

"
Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,” Dr. Weizmann said.
July 25, 1926

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

 

[LOki]

I'm not disputing or affirming your "facts." They are irrelevant to my point for the precise reasons I submitted, which you refuse to acknowledge.

Seriously. Don't bother to bring it up. It's meaningless to the whole world of people who do not give a fuck about the rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other.

Ah. I see clearly. All that which fails to validate the brutality your favored rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon the other rock-chucking retards is "Zionist propaganda derived from Zionist sources," "bullshit."

You are obviously an antisemitic ideologue. Good for you, Pumpkin.

You know what Cupcake? I don't give a fuck that you're the grand-fucking-dragon of your own personal illuminati lodge that claims the sole monopoly on what is "fact."

What you post looks just like the lies submitted by "Zionist" propagandists. You're both clown-shoes.

Yet they remain.

So this Arab League that failed to prevent the existence of the nation of Israel--which was establishing their sovereignty through massacring Christians and Muslims--managed to do what?... help establish the existence of the state of Israel by preventing the massacre Christians and Muslims? Gotcha.

Yet they are still there. The Arab League ENTIRELY powerless to prevent further expulsions or "massacres." So very strange.

Well. I hate to break this to you Cupcake; while I recognize the actual existence of "Plan Dalet" and what it says, considering the fine relationship Israel has with Christians and Muslims in their country who do not behave like violent sociopaths, either they were not as committed to this "plan" in the manner your dogma insists, or there really was no such "plan" (in the manner your dogma insists) in the first place.

Either way, I don't give a fuck about the rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other.

It's not just Plan Dalet, there was every intention of the European Jews to colonize Palestine from the beginning.

New York Times July 20, 1899

Zionists planned to colonize Palestine in 1899 NY Times

Jewish Telegraphic Agency July 25, 1926

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,”

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

And in 1940 the director of the Jewish National Fund's Lands Department was clear on the Jewish intentions:


" Yosef Weitz, who was at the time director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department. This man of noted Zionist convictions confided to his diary on 20 December 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe.”

Seven years later, Weitz found himself in a position to put this radical programme into effect. Already, in January 1948, he was orchestrating the expulsion of Palestinians from various parts of the country. In April he proposed - and obtained - the creation of “a body which would direct the Yishuv’s war with the aim of evicting as many Arabs as possible”. This body was unofficial at first, but was formalised at the end of August 1948 into the “Transfer Committee” which supervised the destruction of abandoned Arab villages and/or their repopulation with recent Jewish immigrants, in order to make any return of the refugees impossible. Its role was extended, in July, to take in the creation of Jewish settlements in the border areas."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

And where does it say that this was put into operation and all the Muslims and Christians were expelled or killed by the Jews ?

The lack of success does not change the intent. The Arab League's intervention made it more difficult for the Israelis to achieve the objective, detailed below:



Yosef Weitz, who was at the time director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department. This man of noted Zionist convictions confided to his diary on 20 December 1940: “It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe.”

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

The unfortunate reality for you Pumpkin, is that the support you bring for your very own bigoted dogma still looks more like a sad admission that the Arab/Muslims' irrational hatred for all things Jewish is as insoluble as your irrational hatred for all things Jewish; rather than some official mandate to exterminate or expel all Arabs.

I don't hate Jews or "all things Jewish". Where do you come up with that?

It's the vibe you anti-semitism gives off. Apologies if I misapprehended the nature of your obvious bigotry.

The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims might, understandably, hate Jews in general after what the Jews have done (and are doing) to them.

Again, regarding this return the vast history of these retards brutalizing each other:

But, I suspect that Palestinians most differentiate between Zionists and Jews.

I've got a feeling, just a hunch really, that the problem that "Palestinians" have with Zionists, is primarily that they're Jews.

After all, the fundamental differences between Jewish "Palestinians" who had no Jewish country of their own, and Arab "Palestinians" is that Arab "Palestinians" have several countries of their own (including, and most notably, Jordan, whose population is linguistically, religiously, culturally, and ethnically indistinguishable from Arab "Palestinians") and that the Jewish "Palestinians" are primarily Jews. Their "problem" seems to have been that a Jewish state--and not so much just Jews--might exist right in the center of Islamic Middle East.

These Arab/Islamic Israelis ("Palestinians") actually belonged (briefly) to a nation in somewhere between May 14th and May 15th, 1948. They belonged to a nation that asserted a commitment to "foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; ... be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; ... ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture;..."

It doesn't appear that Israeli's had such a difficult problem with the notion that they'd be living among Muslims.

On the other hand, it seems a bit far-fetched that these "Palestinians" would still be so put out if say ... five foreign nations of primarily Muslim composition should one day roll in all armed-up to take things over. Right? They'd have a problem with that, right? They'd still be tossing rocks and launching missile at those Johnny-come-lately's, right?

 

[LOki]

Palestine was a colony of the Ottoman Empire. More Middle-Eastern/Asian than European.

Of course they'd resist, Pumpkin... reach back through the entirety of antiquity and you'll see that resistance played out again, and again, and again.

I find the reaching back into antiquity for the first-cause rationalizations that validate the brutality those rock-chucking retards in the Middle-East inflict upon each other (and all of us too) to be tedious and unproductive.

The neat thing though, is that the local Jewish inhabitants of "Palestine"--Jewish Palestinians, if you will--were entirely welcoming of these "colonists" as you call them. Strange, you'd neglect acknowledgment of that fact.

The planet where Palestine wasn't colonized by some (unspecified) European nation in the 20th century.

Colonization and 20th centiury, son.

Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ
July 25, 1926


London (Jul. 23)

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,” Dr. Weizmann said.


Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Jewish colonization, Pumpkin. That's what it says.

So there is no disagreement, son.

There is no European nation of Jews, Pumpkin. No colony. No colonists.

Let's see, bozo says no colonists and Weizmann says he plans to colonize, not only Palestine but Trans-Jordan too. Who should we believe? A clown, or the first president of Israel? That's the thing about ideologues they are able to ignore fact.

"
Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

“Due to the success of our colonization work in Palestine proper, it is possible that eventually our colonization work will be extended beyond the frontiers of Transjordania. It is true that the Palestine government has not taken a clear stand in regard to its economic policy, but well founded demands have every prospect of being agreed to. A great deal has been achieved during the last months,” Dr. Weizmann said.
July 25, 1926

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier Weizmann Tells Actions Committ Jewish Telegraphic Agency

There was no colony. Therefore, no colonists. Done deal, Cupcake.