Explain this. This guy shoots a Firefighter during the attempt to murder someone else....released in less than 3 years, gets illegal gun, again.

[john doe 101]

And you didn't answer the questions.......asshats like you never do......

Let me repeat them...

A woman is grabbed by a violent serial rapist at a bus stop, a train platform or in her apartment...he plans on beating, raping and murdering her. She has a gun, and can stop the rape with the gun......

Do you want her to use that gun to stop the rape?

A woman stops an attack with a gun, a brutal rape, torture and murder...in a public space....if you had the ability to go back in time, and prevent her from having that gun...would you?

I'm not answering a hypothetical. I can come up with hypotheticals that prove my point. So what? The fact is Europeans have better gun laws. And nothing you say will change that fact.

 

[john doe 101]

You mean the Europeans that watched as 12 million innocent men, women and children were mass murdered by the socialists between 1939-1945?

Nazi's were not socialists. If you knew the history of the Nazi party, you'd know Nazi's were not socialists. Next thing you'll be trying to convince us China is a republic. LOL! But hey, thanks for showing your ignorance.

Pretty sure there arent any Europeans worried about being a part of a mass murder because their country has strict gun laws. They'd laugh at you for saying that.

Again, ask any sane European if they'd rather do it our way. They'd laugh in your face.

 

[westwall]

Yet another lie. You're really good at lying. Norway is #17. Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia

What you fail to point out is that in Norway, "Gun ownership is restricted in Norway, unless one has officially documented a use for the gun. By far the most common grounds for civilian ownership are hunting and sports shooting, in that order."

Firearms regulation in Norway - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In addition "The rules for having a gun at home have been tightened in recent years, with gun safes becoming mandatory, according to local Norwegian news reports, The end cap of guns must be removed before storage, and those without a gun safe must remove components of the weapon before it is stored, essentially disabling it. In addition, Norwegians have been told the vital parts of the weapon should be locked up separately."

In Norway gun ownership is common; violence and homicide are not

In Norway gun ownership is common; violence and homicide are not

www.latimes.com

You should know by now that wiki is a shit source for anything factual. No legit group uses it, or allows it to be used. Here's the real facts from NORWEGIANS! You moron.

Gun Ownership in Norway​

Just like in the USA and other countries across the globe, a large proportion of Norwegians own firearms.

Norway is in fact in the top ten countries in the world when it comes to guns owned per capita. the country sits in tenth place with about 31 guns per 100 residents.

The culture of firearms​

Hunting and marksmanship have been a part of Norwegian culture pretty much since guns first arrived in Norway. Hunting has always been an integral part of Norwegian culture and is reflected in today’s number of registered hunters – about half a million people, or around 10% of Norway’s total population.

Shooting is also a traditional sport; just look at the biathlon event, the sport that combines shooting and cross-country ski racing – humorously referred to as a ‘Norwegian drive-by’. Like any other Nordic skiing event, Norway leads in the number of medals awarded in biathlon events.

Despite a significant portion of the population owning and using firearms, they are rarely ever seen outside the settings of their uses, such as in marksmanship or biathlon meets or during hunting seasons.

Gun Ownership in Norway

Hunting and marksmanship have been a part of Norwegian culture pretty much since guns first arrived in Norway. Gun ownership in the country remains high today.

www.lifeinnorway.net

 

[westwall]

Nazi's were not socialists. If you knew the history of the Nazi party, you'd know Nazi's were not socialists. Next thing you'll be trying to convince us China is a republic. LOL! But hey, thanks for showing your ignorance.

Pretty sure there arent any Europeans worried about being a part of a mass murder because their country has strict gun laws. They'd laugh at you for saying that.

Again, ask any sane European if they'd rather do it our way. They'd laugh in your face.

Sure they were. They were a centralized government that controlled production, wages, where companies could buy their raw materials and how much they had to pay for them. There was an office of the government in every major corporation that handled the affairs of the corporation.

You need to read more history because you are very ignorant.

 

[john doe 101]

Despite a significant portion of the population owning and using firearms, they are rarely ever seen outside the settings of their uses, such as in marksmanship or biathlon meets or during hunting seasons.

From your own article......

 

[john doe 101]

Sure they were. They were a centralized government that controlled production, wages, where companies could buy their raw materials and how much they had to pay for them. There was an office of the government in every major corporation that handled the affairs of the corporation.

You need to read more history because you are very ignorant.

Sure, that's why the Nazi's imprisoned socialists. Were the Nazis Socialists?

"In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month. That July Hitler banned all political parties other than his own, and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps. "

 

[SavannahMann]

Don't have to.....we simply cut other crap......

What is it with you guys and the black mail.....raise taxes or we let the most violent criminals loose to murder you and your family...

You are nuts...

Blivet

 

[westwall]

Sure, that's why the Nazi's imprisoned socialists. Were the Nazis Socialists?

"In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month. That July Hitler banned all political parties other than his own, and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps. "

Yeah, the operative term is collectivist government. If you are a collectivist government you are a statist government. Communist, fascist, socialist, ALL COLLECTIVIST governments, thus, not far from each other in terms of how they view their SUBJECTS. Not citizens. Citizens have Rights, subjects don't.

 

[westwall]

From your own article......

Yeah? So? I stated that they had a high percentage of gun ownership. You said I lied, I proved you wrong.

 

[john doe 101]

Yeah? So? I stated that they had a high percentage of gun ownership. You said I lied, I proved you wrong.

I mean you said what 32 guns per 100 people my stats say 29 per 100 people that is splitting hairs I suppose.....America is ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY guns per 100 people. so Norway is nowhere NEAR the US in gun ownership even though, as you say, they are 10th.

And the point of my quoting your article when it said people in Norway, they are rarely seen outside their main use ie skeet shooting or hunting. In America, on the other hand, there are bunch of pussies that feel the need to carry one around wherever they go. Then there are the complete nut jobs that like to carry their long guns around just because. Two completely different sets of gun laws, cultures, and, of course, death rates between the two countries. I'm guessing IQ's as well. But that is just a guess. Yep I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Norway wants to become more like the US with gun laws. LOL that will NEVER happen.

 

[westwall]

I mean you said what 32 guns per 100 people my stats say 29 per 100 people that is splitting hairs I suppose.....America is ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY guns per 100 people. so Norway is nowhere NEAR the US in gun ownership even though, as you say, they are 10th.

And the point of my quoting your article when it said people in Norway, they are rarely seen outside their main use ie skeet shooting or hunting. In America, on the other hand, there are bunch of pussies that feel the need to carry one around wherever they go. Then there are the complete nut jobs that like to carry their long guns around just because. Two completely different sets of gun laws, cultures, and, of course, death rates between the two countries. I'm guessing IQ's as well. But that is just a guess. Yep I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Norway wants to become more like the US with gun laws. LOL that will NEVER happen.

You want to know what else is different? Third world people here illegally. We have more illegal aliens, from violent cultures, than the entire population of Norway.

Ten Democrat run cities in the USA account for 80% of the violent crime in this country. Know what they all share? Draconian gun laws, DA's who refuse to prosecute violent criminals, and large populations of illegal aliens. Chicago alone has 150,000 KNOWN gangbangers. Think that might have a bearing on why their gun crime rate is skyhigh?

Be honest.

Now, you called me a liar. Do you think you should apologize for that too?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And the point of my quoting your article when it said people in Norway, they are rarely seen outside their main use ie skeet shooting or hunting. In America, on the other hand, there are bunch of pussies that feel the need to carry one around wherever they go.

I always have to laugh at you leftists. You want to dictate or criticize or how others feel the need to live while you live in your all white neighborhood with very few if any minorities around. You should come to my neighborhood and take a walk to the store after dark without a gun and tell me how you feel.

 

[john doe 101]

You want to know what else is different? Third world people here illegally. We have more illegal aliens, from violent cultures, than the entire population of Norway.

Ten Democrat run cities in the USA account for 80% of the violent crime in this country. Know what they all share? Draconian gun laws, DA's who refuse to prosecute violent criminals, and large populations of illegal aliens. Chicago alone has 150,000 KNOWN gangbangers. Think that might have a bearing on why their gun crime rate is skyhigh?

Be honest.

Now, you called me a liar. Do you think you should apologize for that too?

LOL thinking I'd ever apologize to a slob like you. Per usual, your ilk always takes a complex issue and boils it down to dark skinned people being the problem. I should have expected that would come up eventually. Nothing to do with poverty, nothing to do with the fact anybody, including felons, can EASILY get guns in Indiana. Nothing to do with the largest demand for illegal drugs of any country in the world. Nope, it's gotta be their skin color that causes all of it. That and the fact you fail to realize more crime happens in more populated areas.

 

[Dadoalex]

This is why we do not take anti-gunners seriously.......they target normal people who own guns, while the political party they support keeps releasing violent gun offenders....gun offenders who have been convicted for shooting people........this is fucking insane...

Jermaine White, one of two men charged with shooting an on-duty firefighter in Albany Park last year, was in court to face a new gun charge before Judge John Lyke.

Last year, police said two men set a car on fire in the 3600 block of West Wilson Avenue so they could shoot rival gang members who came outside to investigate the blaze. The gunmen shot a fireman who got caught in the crossfire. He survived.

Prosecutors charged White and another man with aggravated battery of an on-duty fireman by discharging a firearm and other felonies. Earlier this year, prosecutors dropped that charge when White agreed to plead guilty to aggravated unlawful use of a weapon in exchange for a three-year sentence.

The state automatically cut the sentence in half for good behavior, and White received credit for time spent in jail after his arrest. When it was all said and done, White walked into the Stateville Correctional Center on June 29. And he walked out 36 days later.

White, who is still on parole, was arrested again on Monday. Police pulled him over for driving without headlights. When they asked him for his license, he leaned forward and threw a handgun from the floorboard in front of him to the back seat floorboard, prosecutors said. His three-year-old child was sitting in the back seat without restraints, according to Assistant State’s Attorney Darryl Auguste.

CPD body cameras recorded the alleged gun toss, Auguste said. Cops allegedly found crack cocaine in the car, too.

Auguste tried to convince Judge Lyke to hold White without bail by arguing that White was on parole for a gun case that originated with allegations that he shot an on-duty fireman.

White’s private defense attorney, Joshua Kutnick, wasn’t having it.

“This state’s attorney’s office decided that no conviction was warranted on the [aggravated battery of a] firefighter,” Kutnick told Lyke, arguing Auguste’s colleagues dismissed the charge that prosecutors were trying to use against him.

Kutnick said White, who was convicted of aggravated battery as a juvenile and spent six years in prison for a domestic battery attack that lacerated his girlfriend’s liver, “is not a violent person.”

White did participate in the shootout that injured the fireman last year — but he only fired in defense of a friend, Kutnick argued.

The state’s plea agreement in the firefighter case apparently kept the court’s pre-trial services officer from flagging White for possible violence in the future.

Plea deal in 2020 firefighter shooting pays dividends when gunman is allegedly caught with another firearm

Two months after getting out of prison, Jermaine White was allegedly caught with another gun Monday.

cwbchicago.com

Let's talk to the "law abiding gun owners" who provided the weapons.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

LOL thinking I'd ever apologize to a slob like you. Per usual, your ilk always takes a complex issue and boils it down to dark skinned people being the problem. I should have expected that would come up eventually. Nothing to do with poverty, nothing to do with the fact anybody, including felons, can EASILY get guns in Indiana. Nothing to do with the largest demand for illegal drugs of any country in the world. Nope, it's gotta be their skin color that causes all of it. That and the fact you fail to realize more crime happens in more populated areas.

Except for the fact it is people of color. This is not an opinion, it's documented. You can look at state crime statistics, FBI statistics, and it's all the same. People of color are the most violent and commit the most violent crime in our country. As I pointed out to you earlier, over 50% of our murders in the US are committed by only 7% of our population which are black males.

 

[Dadoalex]

Don't expect any comments from the gun grabbers.

They hide from examples that expose their ignorance.

The ignorance lies with those who think that "illegal guns" just magically appear in criminals hands.
Those guns started out in the hands of a "law abiding gun owner.
Place responsibility where it lay.
With people like you who demand we make criminals getting guns as easy as possible.

 

[Dadoalex]

No you fucking dickhead, we are angry that a violent felon is allowed to walk free and cause more mayhem.

All the while you fuckers demand that we who are not violent thugs be disarmed.

They got their guns from people just like you.
FACT

 

[Dadoalex]

So who did the couple in St Louis shoot? Nobody. They stood outside on their property with their legally purchased firearms. You people with your apples to oranges comparisons.

He lives in a dangerous neighborhood? HE'S ONE OF THE PEOPLE MAKING IT DANGEROUS! Didn't you read the OP? He and his buddy set a car on fire that belonged to a rival gang. Do you know what that means? IT MEANS HE IS IN A GANG TOO!!!!!!

This loser has a criminal history extending all the way into his childhood. He should have been sentenced to 20 years in prison, not let out after a few months or a year. That's my problem with the case.

And
AND
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He got his gun from someone just like you.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You'll go to any length to blame ANYTHING and EVERYTHING except guns. You'll be sitting there in another 10 years still wondering why Norway just had their third mass killing in 20 years while we've had thousands of mass shootings in the same time period. No wait you'll be sitting there saying "See I told you so look how bad Norway's got it with no guns".

Guns are tools like knives or hammers. You don’t ban tools because someone misused them. Were you in favor of banning pressure cookers after the Boston Marathon Bombing? How about ammonium nitrate after the Kansas City Bombing? If someone desires to commit mass murder you can’t stop him.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And
AND
AND

He got his gun from someone just like you.

No, he didn't get it from somebody like me. If somebody steals my car, the person that uses my car in a bank robbery is not my fault. They committed a crime against me to obtain my car; I didn't give it to them.