EV's and electrical storage

Old Rocks

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A real world test of using an EV for power storage for a residence. At present, the combined cost of an EV and the system to make it part of the house energy system is to high for most middle class people, that cost will be steadily declining. As new, more energy dense and less costly batteries come online, as solar efficiencies increase, we will see more and more that energy for the grid will become less point source and more spread out. Agrivoltaics, residential, parking lots, ect. combined with bidirectional charging will create a far more robust and dependable grid.

 
A real world test of using an EV for power storage for a residence. At present, the combined cost of an EV and the system to make it part of the house energy system is to high for most middle class people, that cost will be steadily declining. As new, more energy dense and less costly batteries come online, as solar efficiencies increase, we will see more and more that energy for the grid will become less point source and more spread out. Agrivoltaics, residential, parking lots, ect. combined with bidirectional charging will create a far more robust and dependable grid.

Youre going to see less as mandates end and the subsidies stop. EVs pollute more than gas cars
 
Going to need significant breakthroughs to even begin to think about that both in safety and performance .
By the time it becomes economically viable, we''ll have moved on to a more reliable and cleaner energy source. Nuclear.
 
A real world test of using an EV for power storage for a residence. At present, the combined cost of an EV and the system to make it part of the house energy system is to high for most middle class people, that cost will be steadily declining. As new, more energy dense and less costly batteries come online, as solar efficiencies increase, we will see more and more that energy for the grid will become less point source and more spread out. Agrivoltaics, residential, parking lots, ect. combined with bidirectional charging will create a far more robust and dependable grid.


Geothermal Heat pumps are a far better alternative
 
By the time it becomes economically viable, we''ll have moved on to a more reliable and cleaner energy source. Nuclear.
The deluded saps who are pushing EV'S and so-called "Green Energy" have no interest in clean, reliable, cheap energy.

They want to control people and resources.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with carbon based energy (including coal), nuclear, thorium, and hydro - but the eco-commies want nothing to do with any of those except to strangle, regulate, and ration them.

Same old game plan - create a crisis, sell it to the skulls of mush, regulate, ration, and subsidize it - and line the pockets of everyone in on the scam.

Lather, rinse, repeat.
 
No battery is the future. Throw away items such as batteries are not sustainable.

Old crock is telling us yesterdays batteries are obsolete, worn out, garbage.

Old crock is telling us today's batteries and technology are garbage.

Old crock is literally telling us tomorrow's batteries are garbage as well.

Old crock told us today's obsolete garbage batteries are the future.

Old crock is pure stupidity
 
There is no reason to subsidize EVs.

If EVs can sell with no subsidies, more power to them, but WE the AMERICAN PEOPLE should not subsidize treasonously stupid left wing science invalid MORONS, rather, we should get our subsidies back...


 
pollution one does not see vs pollution one does is no solution......~S~
 
Old dirty Socks thinks a 400V/50A? car battery can power a home? For how long? 30 min if the refrigerator kicks on? No AC. No electric Dryer, no dishwasher or heat.

But one LED light and a small TV and computer for a while.

Get off the boards. Then your car runs down also? Then you got nothing in the dark.

Then you have to wait for real power to re-charge your car to move it out of the garage.

Just SHUP please?
 
Old dirty Socks thinks a 400V/50A? car battery can power a home? For how long? 30 min if the refrigerator kicks on? No AC. No electric Dyer, no dishwasher or heat.

But on LED light and a small TV and computer for a whole.

Get off the boards. Then your car runs down also? Then you got nothing in the dark.

Then you have to wait for real power to re-charge your car to move it out of the garage.

Just SHUP please?
Actually an EV will power a house for about three days at normal usage, however, you need to have a 1000 dollar switching system to take the house off the grid when the emergency hits. Also, to do it properly you need a complete 2nd electrical panel to run everything safely.

So, it ain't cheap.
 
Actually an EV will power a house for about three days at normal usage, however, you need to have a 1000 dollar switching system to take the house off the grid when the emergency hits. Also, to do it properly you need a complete 2nd electrical panel to run everything safely.

So, it ain't cheap.


Depending on the EV voltage, yes you might need a Transformer setup also? Thos also have loss. Nothing is 109% efficient I suppose.

Sorry old rocks in head. Maybe you can read a book for three days then.
 
Old dirty Socks thinks a 400V/50A? car battery can power a home? For how long? 30 min if the refrigerator kicks on? No AC. No electric Dryer, no dishwasher or heat.

But one LED light and a small TV and computer for a while.

Get off the boards. Then your car runs down also? Then you got nothing in the dark.

Then you have to wait for real power to re-charge your car to move it out of the garage.

Just SHUP please?
Goddamn, but you are stupid. A 100 Kwt/hr battery could power a home running normally for almost 4 days. The average US home uses 28 Kwt/hrs in 24 hours. Use only the necessary power, refrigerator, freezer, heat or cooling, and one can stretch that out for a few more days. As the energy density of the batteries increase, so will the amount of time that they can support a residence in a grid failure.
 
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The average US home uses 28 Kwt/hrs in 24 hours.
older stats from older homes Old one.......

when i started in the trades 4 decades ago 100A service was the norm, now these 'all electric' homes require 3-400A services

and it's relatively simple math........see......demand load calculation




~S~
 
Goddamn, but you are stupid. A 100 Kwt/hr battery could power a home running normally for almost 4 days. The average US home uses 28 Kwt/hrs in 24 hours. Use only the necessary power, refrigerator, freezer, heat or cooling, and one can stretch that out for a few more days. As the energy density of the batteries increase, so will the amount of time that they can support a residence in a grid failure.

HOLY SHIT ... YOU PIG ... P - I - G ... PIG ... I use 6 kW-hrs a day ... not including heat ...

How you get off using 4 TIMES the energy you need and then ***** about other people's pollution ...

You pig ... that's evil ... it's the plutonium in your water supply ...
 
HOLY SHIT ... YOU PIG ... P - I - G ... PIG ... I use 6 kW-hrs a day ... not including heat ...

How you get off using 4 TIMES the energy you need and then ***** about other people's pollution ...

You pig ... that's evil ... it's the plutonium in your water supply ...
You must be a monk.....
 
A real world test of using an EV for power storage for a residence. At present, the combined cost of an EV and the system to make it part of the house energy system is to high for most middle class people, that cost will be steadily declining. As new, more energy dense and less costly batteries come online, as solar efficiencies increase, we will see more and more that energy for the grid will become less point source and more spread out. Agrivoltaics, residential, parking lots, ect. combined with bidirectional charging will create a far more robust and dependable grid.

OR,

Those of us committed to the scientific method and the honesty that is essential to moving scientific discovery forward for the good of humanity and, yes preserving our environment, cannot get onboard with the schemes of those of you on the left because the data and scientific foundation of your cause is not only false, but it is deliberately fraudulent.

The observational data does not support crisis, climate catastrophy, runaway warming, or any other imagined fear mongering.

The observational data supports negative feedbacks, i.e. diminishing impact with increased CO2 levels, not positive feedback.

The examples of fraud, and the publishing and promotion of falsifiable data that is presented as fact for the purpose of misleading the public are too numerous to count. This has been going on for decades.

That being the case, opponents on the issue of warming/climate change fall into two categories,

1) those of us who rigorously seek out falsifying data - which is necessary to the scientific method.

1A) and having found that the theory in laboratory settings is sound, but is not supported in real world data observations - we remain intellectually honest and reject the thesis that CO2 is causing, or will cause, catastrophic warming/climate change.

and,

2) those of you who refuse to adhere to sound scientific practices, and blindly accept the word of "experts", who tell you "the debate is over", so no need to look for yourself. They expect you to be stupid, and just believe what they tell you to believe.

2A) you then are told to be "activists" in true Marxist revolutionary fashion, and engage in ad hominem attacks against anyone who does cite the data which falsifies your whole undertaking.

You call us "deniers", antiscience, even racist because you unbelievably try to make the argument that those of us who actually follow science want brown and black people to die from heat and rising sea levels.

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The absurdity of it is mind numbing.
 
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