Zone1 Evolution of Rational Theism beyond Christianity gave us America

I think you are a subversive.
Every white Christian nationalist thinks that of every child of God who does not conform and become born again into the strict orthodox truth of their version of a biblical world view.
 
Every white Christian nationalist thinks that of every child of God who does not conform and become born again into the strict orthodox truth of their version of a biblical world view.
Yes, theistic rationalists believe that God is moralistic and that religion should promote morality.
 
Yes, theistic rationalists believe in God's providence, which is the idea that God is actively involved in the world and in people's lives
Saint Ding’s proclamation that Christianity gave us America is not connected to any basis in reality, fact or truth because rational theism seeks truth through nature as it rejects the (talking burning bush) proclamations of ancient religious institutions that limit the relationship with God to the tribal and herd instincts requiring mass conformity and adherence to dogma and ritual.
 
Yes, theistic rationalists believe that God is moralistic and that religion should promote morality.
How does religion promote morality if religion is not institutionalized and does not have the authority of being God‘s representative on earth as the embodiment of God’s revelation?

Jesus Christ is said to proclaim that he is the truth, the way and the life and no one gets to the Father, but through him and his Body of Christ, which I understand to be the church. The Catholic Church.
 
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Were you baptized Saint Ding?

Baptism is a ritual unique to Roman through Medieval Christianity. America’s key thinkers anticipated that in order to produce a system of government bound before God to protect individual liberty, they had to remove from state power the medieval religion of Christianity that they were born into, The a “modern” experimental government needed to replace feudal Christian religiosity with a 'modern' science religiosity under nature’s God.

The thinkers of the founding generation believed that morality was innate in all mankind. There was no such thing as original sin and therefore no need of a ritual of baptism.

200 years later, why were you baptized into a medieval religious Institution Saint ding?
 
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Sounds like you are putting the nation of America above Christ.

The Constitution of the United States of America is way above Jesus of Nazareth, who lived more than 2000 years ago, knowing nothing of the centuries of medieval religion that spread throughout Europe, doing both good and evil in his name. Jesus of Nazareth had nothing to do with the American experiment. They gave no special treatment or power to the medieval religion that was created in his name.

And today all American government is supposed to treat Christianity no more or no less favorable than any other religious or philosophical belief about mankind‘s business in the world.
 
It is especially easy for us to observe socialism's hostility to religion, for this is inherent, with few exceptions, in all contemporary socialist states and doctrines.

 
He's very much a disciple of Marx and Lenin.
is that so?

Simply for not accepting Saint Thehawk’s Commandment to put Jesus Christ his Savior above the US Govrrnnent and our Constitution; you label me a Marxist.
 
is that so?

Simply for not accepting Saint Thehawk’s Commandment to put Jesus Christ his Savior above the US Govrrnnent and our Constitution; you label me a Marxist.
Nope. For trying to subordinate the dominant religion of the land as socialism has always done.
 
Nope. For trying to subordinate the dominant religion of the land as socialism has always done.
please show me the post where I have tried to subordinate the dominant religion of the land. And what is the dominant religion of the land?

I would have voted for Joe Biden again. He is a Catholic.

I will vote for Kamala Harris. She is a Baptist and her husband is Jewish..

Is Trumpism the dominant religion in America now?
 
please show me the post where I have tried to subordinate the dominant religion of the land. And what is the dominant religion of the land?

I would have voted for Joe Biden again. He is a Catholic.

I will vote for Kamala Harris. She is a Baptist and her husband is Jewish..

Is Trumpism the dominant religion in America now?
How about this entire thread?

But hey, if I'm wrong, then you shouldn't have to worry about it. But if I'm right, you probably need to try to spin it.
 
What role did Christian churches play in the American Revolutionary War that gave us America?

Churches played a significant role in the American Revolution by providing moral justification for the rebellion against British rule, with many ministers actively supporting the revolutionary cause by preaching that resistance to tyranny was a Christian duty, serving as military chaplains, and mobilizing their congregations to support the movement for independence; this was largely fueled by the ideas of the Great Awakening which emphasized individual religious liberty and questioning authority, aligning with the revolutionary ideals of self-governance.

 
He's very much a disciple of Marx and Lenin.

I more like what Saint Thomas Aquinas has to say here:

Christendom
And then there is Thomas Aquinas, the most influential Catholic voice of the medieval period, a thinker whose work continues to shape Catholic theology today. According to scholar David Albert Jones, Aquinas believed that “the body was formed gradually through the power transmitted by the male seed but the spiritual soul was directly created by God when the body was ready to receive it. Thus the embryo was believed to live at first the life of a plant, then the life of a simple animal, and only after all its organs, including the brain, had been formed, was it given, by the direct and creative act of God, an immortal spiritual soul.”
Christendom

I’m thinking Jesus would have agreed with Aquinas, dont you?
 
Religion played a major role in the American Revolution by offering a moral sanction for opposition to the British--an assurance to the average American that revolution was justified in the sight of God. As a recent scholar has observed, "by turning colonial resistance into a righteous cause, and by crying the message to all ranks in all parts of the colonies, ministers did the work of secular radicalism and did it better."

Ministers served the American cause in many capacities during the Revolution: as military chaplains, as penmen for committees of correspondence, and as members of state legislatures, constitutional conventions and the national Congress. Some even took up arms, leading Continental troops in battle.

The Revolution split some denominations, notably the Church of England, whose ministers were bound by oath to support the King, and the Quakers, who were traditionally pacifists. Religious practice suffered in certain places because of the absence of ministers and the destruction of churches, but in other areas, religion flourished.

The Revolution strengthened millennialist strains in American theology. At the beginning of the war some ministers were persuaded that, with God's help, America might become "the principal Seat of the glorious Kingdom which Christ shall erect upon Earth in the latter Days." Victory over the British was taken as a sign of God's partiality for America and stimulated an outpouring of millennialist expectations--the conviction that Christ would rule on earth for 1,000 years. This attitude combined with a groundswell of secular optimism about the future of America to create the buoyant mood of the new nation that became so evident after Jefferson assumed the presidency in 1801.

 

At the beginning of the war some ministers were persuaded that, with God's help, America might become "the principal Seat of the glorious Kingdom which Christ shall erect upon Earth in the latter Days."

Therefore, the founding generation ministers were lying zealots to their congregations. That’s nice to know Saint Ding.


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Revolution Justified by God​

Many Revolutionary War clergy argued that the war against Britain was approved by God. In this sermon Abraham Keteltas celebrated the American effort as "the cause of truth, against error and falsehood . . .the cause of pure and undefiled religion, against bigotry, superstition, and human invention . . .in short, it is the cause of heaven against hell--of the kind Parent of the Universe against the prince of darkness, and the destroyer of the human race."
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"...It is only within the last half century that historians have turned their attention to this relationship—and more recently still that many have come to see religion as essential to understanding the political culture of revolutionary America.

The first scholars to approach this subject, Perry Miller and Edmund Morgan, advanced strong arguments for the formative influence of Puritanism upon the resistance to Britain. Miller argued that Americans saw the colonies as a “New Israel” and that this firm belief in their covenant with God as his “chosen people” prompted them to perceive the revolutionary struggle as a holy war against a sinful, corrupt Britain. In a similar vein, Morgan posited that an enduring “Puritan ethic,” a pervasive religious culture that had long venerated industry and frugality and upheld the superiority of consensual, contractual forms of church government, shaped both the resistance to Britain and the new republican constitutions.

More recent historical inquiry has focused on connections between the Great Awakening and the American Revolution. Alan Heimert’s controversial study, Religion and the American Mind, probably did more than any other book to prompt that curiosity, for he argued that, at least in New England, the radical evangelical supporters of the revival later became the most ardent rebels, while the moderate and conservative opponents of the Awakening became either neutrals or loyalists when the conflict came with Britain. Most historians today reject this neat dichotomy, mainly because so many nonevangelicals—Christians and otherwise, both in New England and elsewhere—played such prominent roles in advancing the rebel cause. Even so, many historians now believe that the religious ferment churned up by the Great Awakening in the decades immediately preceding the revolutionary crisis had profound implications for American politics.

Most scholars of this persuasion characterize late colonial America as a society steeped in religious enthusiasm and riven by wrangling among competing denominations and opposition to established churches. That contentious spiritual climate, they believe, at once revived older traditions of Protestant dissent, particularly the opposition to the divine right of kings, and lent impetus to popular and individualistic styles of religiosity that defied the claims of established authorities and venerable hierarchies—first in churches, and later, in the 1760s and 1770s, in imperial politics. In short, they argue that the First Great Awakening was a sort of “dress rehearsal” for the American Revolution—that participating in a religious upheaval primed an entire generation of colonials (particularly if not exclusively the committed evangelicals in their ranks) to support a political revolution. Indeed, many scholars of this stripe argue that what brought on the American Revolution was a merging of the traditions of radical Protestant dissent and republicanism.

The best place to begin your acquaintance with these arguments is the chapters covering the Great Awakening and the American Revolution in Patricia Bonomi’s Under the Cope of Heaven and Harry Stout’s The New England Soul. And if, after reading their works, you’d like to delve into this subject more deeply, try either Nathan Hatch’s The Sacred Cause of Liberty or Ruth Bloch’s Visionary Republic, both of which will enhance your understanding of the interpenetration of politics and religion in this period of American history—how a struggle for colonial liberation came to be perceived as a holy war..."

 
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Revolution Justified by God
Many Revolutionary War clergy argued that the war against Britain was approved by God. In this sermon Abraham Keteltas celebrated the American effort as "the cause of truth, against error and falsehood . . .the cause of pure and undefiled religion, against bigotry, superstition, and human invention . . .in short, it is the cause of heaven against hell--of the kind Parent of the Universe against the prince of darkness, and the destroyer of the human race."

i. What's wrong with Christianity 210811 {post•2}. Lysistrata Aug’24 wwwcz: So much of Christianity has been made false by identifying a belief in Jesus with some sort of authoritarian politics, not only in the present day but over centuries, that I wonder what is left to believe in. It appears that "Christianity" is a false religion. It appears that what I believed in was false. lysstrt 210811 Vwwwcz00005

ii. What's wrong with Christianity 210811 {post•6}. ding Aug’21 wwwcz: Christianity gave us America dvng 210811 Swwwcz00006

iii. What's wrong with Christianity 210811 {post•266 to 6}. NotfooledbyW Oct’24 Vwwwcz: You were doing just fine and right around here you blew it. And then you had to venture into Christian nationalism. nfbw 240815 Vwwwcz00266

iv. Evolution of Rational Theism beyond Christianity gave us America. 241010 {post•43} NotfooledbyW Oct’24 Veortb: yes, I need you to explain in your own words (not a bunch of cut and paste crap about “Christian heritage“) how exactly an ambiguous generalized term like “Christianity” gave us America. nfbw 241010 Verotb00043

v. Evolution of Rational Theism beyond Christianity gave us America. 241011 {post•79}. ding Oct’24 Seirtb enhances our understanding of the interpenetration of politics and religion during the Revolutionary War: •€• Religion and the American Revolution, Divining America, TeacherServe®, National Humanities Center. “how a struggle for colonial liberation came to be perceived as a holy war...". dvng 241011 Serotb00079

vi. Evolution of Rational Theism beyond Christianity gave us America. 241011 {post•80}.

NotfooledbyW Oct’24 Veortb: in paragraph i. the writer identifies what is wrong with Christianity which is a belief in Jesus with some sort of authoritarian politics immersed into religiosity.

in paragraph v. Saint Ding gives us a glimpse of some Christian pastors Who were inspiring the colonist to believe that the American revolution was a holy war.

Saint Ding’s pastors were wrong if we go by how the constitution ended up being written because a holy war on North American soil would have been a continuation of all the holy wars that ravaged in Europe for the previous millennia and them some the sting, the soiling blood of so many devote followers of men like those pastors who came to the colonies to escape the very same shit.

Saint Ding’s pastor’s Christianity would’ve given us a very different America. One that looked like Europe, where church and state had never been separated.

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