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Theistic rationalists believe that God plays an active role in human life, rendering prayer effective. They accept parts of the Bible as divinely inspired, ...

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[whutTHEYsay]

Theistic rationalists believe that God plays an active role in human life, rendering prayer effective. They accept parts of the Bible as divinely inspired, ...

Theistic rationalism - Wikipedia

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I am not a theistic rationalist. I am a Jeffersonian rational theist.

Rational Theism is poetically for me as defined by Thomas Jefferson when he wrote about his belief that everything in the universe had a wholly material existence rather than there being both material and spiritual worlds.

Jefferson insisted that such matters of dogma were not critical; telling one correspondent that on these

“I … reposed my head on that pillow of ignorance which a benevolent creator has made so soft for us, knowing how much we should be forced to use it.”

1. ^ Jefferson to Isaac Story, December 5, 1801, in PTJ, 36:30. Transcription available at Founders Online.

I do not accept parts of the Bible as divinely inspired, ...

Neither did Jefferson.

 

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Thomas Jefferson when he wrote about his belief that everything in the universe had a wholly material existence rather than there being both material and spiritual worlds.

That's called atheism.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

200 64 erotb. The Republican white christian Party must be rolling holy over with joy to see that Trump has finally got started negotiating a peace deal for “invaded” Ukraine while taking the Russian side against the Jewish Ukrainian dictator Volodymyr Zelensky.

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[whutTHEYsay]

DEMOCRAT MINDFULNESS has overwhelmed REPUBLICAN PARTY self-righteous sectarian Christian mindlessness in several special elections since the mindless election of Don Trump last year.

We must solidify last weeks “no kings“ national protests which were 20 times more populated than the largest “tea party” protest during the Obama administration.

The 75 million “Harris Democrats” on election day in November 2024 are the core of the resistance to the out of control Republican Party lawlessness racing an authoritarian grip on every person who loves this country by the way, it was set up by the founding generation.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Pro Choice wins

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Pro Choice will win 80% plus of the time.

 

[Donald H]

Sounds like you are putting the nation of America above Christ.

You worship a secular government.

For Ding who doesn't believe the bibles are literally true, there's no problem for him with Christianity. All the other Christians are afraid to challenge him on his beliefs.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Ding will beat the Pentecostals, evangelicals, and fundamentalists hands down every time.

Non-traditional doctrinal fathers and an adaptable leadership will beat them every time.

The Diné are primarily animistic with some amazing folklore for creation, etc. We are the "Chidren of the Holy People."

 

[theHawk]

Pro Choice will win 80% plus of the time.

As does Satan.

Doesn’t mean you win in the end. The reward for abortionists is eternity in hell.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

As does Satan.

Doesn’t mean you win in the end. The reward for abortionists is eternity in hell.

There is no Satan. Silly equation of something that does not exist with something that does.

 

[theHawk]

There is no Satan. Silly equation of something that does not exist with something that does.

So you believe there is no God, creator of the universe. Everything is just an accident in nature. There is no real morality except whatever you want. Like killing unborn children is a “right”.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

So you believe there is no God, creator of the universe.

Sure there can be a God.

It’s not likely that Yahwey is not him her or whatever.

Having been a discriminatory war God Yahweh lacks credibility to my rational mind.

If a God created the universe, he is much bigger and more profound than an ancient war God

 

[whutTHEYsay]

whutTHEYsay

Is “original sin” a foundational Christian belief.

Not for this Christian.

Is “original sin” foundational to catholicism.

Not for this Catholic. I think your problem is in how you are trying to use the term foundational.

The Council of Trent defined original sin as “the death of the soul.” The Catechism of the Catholic Church reaffirmed this definition (403) and added a key nuance: original sin is called sin “only in an analogical sense: it is a sin ‘contracted’ and not ‘committed’—a state and not an act” (404).

You claim to be a Catholic who does not believe in the only reason the Catholic Church on earth was established in the first place, by the one and only true God and Creator. That resson was in order for all mankind to receive salvation through the sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ for their dead souls contracted through original sin.

NotfooledbyW 241010 Veortb posted info:
•£•. Jesus: The Master of Critical Thinking

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Again, Geisler and Zukeran powerfully argue, “The mission of transforming lives and bringing people to faith in Christ does not come by moving people emotionally; God does not bypass the mind to speak to the heart. Logic and well-reasoned arguments are required to refute false beliefs and turn people in the direction of truth.” (6)​

Why do the unsaved need to turn to Christianity if not for original sin and the need to save their souls?

Is original sin a Christian truth or not?

Maybe research baptism and get back to me.

Were you baptized Saint Ding?

I was not baptized as saint ding.

No. The Body of Christ.

Christianity, the “Body of Christ” gave mankind “original sin” to contend with and for which Catholics like Saint Ding are “baptized” when they are babies to save their dead souls.

I can't follow your goofy formating.

If there is no such thing as original sin in Catholic dogma, why do humans have to choose to believe in Jesus Christ, the sacrificial lamb who died for the original sins of all mankind?

If there is no original sin St.Ding why would I be eternally separated from Yahweh?

 

[theHawk]

Sure there can be a God.

It’s not likely that Yahwey is not him her or whatever.

Having been a discriminatory war God Yahweh lacks credibility to my rational mind.

If a God created the universe, he is much bigger and more profound than an ancient war God


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In other words you’re a pagan that wants to make up their own version of God.

Let me guess, yours says abortion is a woman’s right?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

The founding of this nation is based on Judeo-Christian principles. The first amendment was written to protect Christian beliefs because there were those in the founding of our nation that also wanted God to be eliminated from the hearts and minds of the people. God prevailed as the writers of the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the people were inspired of God to put this as the FIRST amendment. "Freedom OF religion." Not, Freedom FROM religion."

None of what is written is true. Untruth Believed in a mass of wrong~minded Americans is harmful

Republican Party Lawlessness is destructive to all liberty but specifically to religious liberty and our most precious freedom of conscience.

 

[BreezeWood]

As does Satan.

Doesn’t mean you win in the end. The reward for abortionists is eternity in hell.

where hawk belongs ...

- those are who wrote the 4th century christian bible and claimed jesus is a jew when their goal from the beginning is the repudiation of judaism, the liar moses and their false, madeup commandments of servitude and denial they claim came from the heavens.

 

[Cougarbear]

None of what is written is true. Untruth Believed in a mass of wrong~minded Americans is harmful

Republican Party Lawlessness is destructive to all liberty but specifically to religious liberty and our most precious freedom of conscience.


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Anyone can read the 1st amendment and know the amendment is only to restrict the government, not the individual. So, it is you that is 100% wrong. Keep your communist BS to yourself and move to China .

 

[presonorek]

Your formatting is too goofy to read.

I know. It looked like he had something thought provoking to say but i couldn't follow. I was very disappointed.

 

[ding]

I know. It looked like he had something thought provoking to say but i couldn't follow. I was very disappointed.

I’m glad you tried. You are a better man than me for trying. I’ve got baggage with him, so it’s hard for me to be objective with him. It is what it is.