Everyone Repeat After Me...This Is A Manufactured Crisis...Manufactured Crisis....Manufactured Cr...

[Lesh]

You're delusional. We are not in a recession since Trump got elected. the 700 miles doesn't exist.

Who's delusional? We haven;t been in a Recession since 2009 and where did 700 miles of border wall go?

Did the space aliens steal it ? Maybe the Lizard people took it?

 

[hunarcy]

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R42965.pdf
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2017-Dec/BP Total Apps, Mexico, OTM FY2000-FY2017.pdf
So when looking at illegal entry from individuals from Mexico since 2000, it is clear that it has drastically declined.
Your claim was that:
In reality, economic growth in countries of origin is the primary driver between declines in illegal immigration. Mexico is simply the best example of this happening, which is why I bring it up.
Where have I ignored the loss of human life? It's tragic that people are fleeing their home countries searching for a better life are dying on the journey. Where have I said otherwise? Do you think a wall does anything to stop people seeking asylum? Might want to look into how asylum seeking works.

You can CLAIM it's economic growth while providing no proof. Your problem is that there is NO proof of your claim because the "economic growth you tout is lackluster at best and non-existent at worst.

And you ignore the loss of human life by failing to acknowledge it as an issue. And, asylum seekers have no more right to enter this nation illegally than anyone else. Your arguments are hollow.

I disagree.... only because there are American companies and businesses making money off of the cheap labor, giving them more profit, and the profit of these businesses is taxable, and what is left over, is there for them to spend in the economy.... so the illegal may not seem to be paying in to taxes or spending much in the economy when you look at only them, but when you put in what the businesses are making off of them.... it is a whole nuther story.... imo.

The guy is making an argument that the economies of the nations of Central America, South America and Mexico are improving so much that the incentive to come to the USA was dwindling, not that there's no benefit to illegal immigrants who come to the USA. I would argue such benefit to the USA is based on immorality (as it requires the alien to be taken advantage of and abused) but the benefit you describe does exist.

In Mexico, it has improved some... but imo, NOT those Central American countries... they are extremely depressed.

to some degree, I think Mexicans coming here has slowed because we were in the great recession... jobs were not available here... plus we have doubled border patrol and INS, built or repaired 700 miles of wall, added all kinds of technology the past 10 years...it's hard to say which one has affected the lower illegal numbers the most...

You're delusional. We are not in a recession since Trump got elected. the 700 miles doesn't exist.

Nearly 700 Miles of Fencing at the US-Mexico Border Already Exist

 

[Asclepias]

But Drumpf said pretty clearly it wasnt a crisis just this last May.

"We got $6 billion for opioid and getting rid of the scourge that’s taking over our country, And the numbers are way down."
-Drumpf

 

[bripat9643]

You're delusional. We are not in a recession since Trump got elected. the 700 miles doesn't exist.

Who's delusional? We haven;t been in a Recession since 2009 and where did 700 miles of border wall go?

Did the space aliens steal it ? Maybe the Lizard people took it?

It didn't go anywhere. It was never built.

 

[bripat9643]

Sorry, dingbat, but taking hostages is exactly how you negotiate

maybe in a criminal mob boss's or terrorist's world.... but for the president of the United States? Come on!!!! sheesh....

That's how you negotiate with terrorists, and that's what the Democrats are.

 

[Yarddog]

The Dummycraps are still trying to sell this lie that this is a manufactured crisis.......even though before Trump was elected they all said it was real.
Now it's much worse than it was when they agreed it was a crisis.

Still, every talking-head on the left keeps repeating this lie that this is a "MANUFACTURED CRISIS".



This is how Obama reacted to the immigration crisis that Pelosi and Schumer say now is manufactured.

I thought manufacturing was dead in America. I'm waiting for someone to say "you didn't build that!" (crisis)

 

[Care4all]

For their part Tuesday, House Democrats maintained their negotiating posture: that discussions about border security should not take place until the partial government shutdown is ended.

“Let’s be clear: Democrats are willing to discuss the best way to keep the border secure, but there’s no reason for the government to be shut down while those discussions take pace,” House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland said in a statement.

Trump says a recent surge in border apprehensions is caused by a lack of border security, but apprehensions of undocumented immigrants have actually trended downward for almost 20 years now.

The year 2000 saw the most apprehensions of undocumented immigrants at the border, with 1.6 million caught. In subsequent years, through 2006, about 1 million per year were apprehended. Then they began a steady decline so that by the end of the Obama administration, they were down to about 300,000 per year.

But a surge in apprehensions of unaccompanied children and families from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, beginning in 2014, has altered the face of illegal immigration. Fleeing gang violence and extreme poverty, these children and families sought asylum at the border in increasing numbers in the past four years. The levels are now 400,000 to 500,000 per year.

Because these migrants are seeking entry into the United States under asylum rules — which is a legal path to immigration — they need only present themselves at a legal point of entry and the U.S. government then must consider whether they have a credible fear of violence or injury back in their home countries. The government cannot quickly deport these Central Americans, because they come from countries with no contiguous borders to the United States. Under the law they cannot be turned back, unlike Mexican migrants, who can.

All sides of this issue acknowledge that this surge of Central Americans seeking asylum has taken its toll on the U.S. immigration system, on immigration judges, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, Border Patrol agents and the like.

But it’s also important to know that the U.S. government has way more assets at the border than it did in the early 2000s. During their administrations, both George W. Bush and Barack Obama increased fences, electronic measures and manpower.

At border, Homeland Security Department stats paint complex situation

That isn't a "negotiating posture." That's a refusal to negotiate. They demand Trump give them everything they demand before they will "negotiate." Only some kind of brain damaged snowflake wouldn't see how utterly absurd that is.

Everything they demand? Bull crap....

all they are saying is open the government.... instead of being an asshole and purposely using these workers, and businesses who rely on them, as pawns in your game, when they have absolutely nothing to do with border security differences between the congress, who constitutionally have the power of the purse, and the president.

And let them discuss and negotiate the border wall and border security as it should be planned through committee analysis and discussed by the two parties who are involved.

Nothing has been settled on border security nor have the Dems gotten anything from it...

it is in EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST to allow govt workers to go back to work.... this 3 year old tyrant in the oval office needs to be thrown out... the sooner the better for our whole nation imo.... but of course you know how I think about him already from previous discussions....

dude too funny, you want a win ahead of the negotiation. that isn't negotiating. duhhhhhh

And again, you wish to victimize 300 million people ahead of giving five bucks for security. what an asshole.

There is nothing like bargaining in good faith as a leftist.

I'm not a dude and have never wanted to be a dude, I have always been quite happy, being a dame/damsel!

there is no winning by holding government workers hostage and there is no negotiating being done on border security by doing it.... they have nothing to do with border security.

the negotiating begins when the president and congress begin talking and wheeling and dealing, without any hostages.

holding hostages, is cheating and stupid as stupid is imo....

Congress should not do this piece meal... it should be analyzed, reviewed, with a proposal in hand of what the president actually wants with border security and a cost/effective analysis, so they know how best to allocate the money.... and also to determine how much money for all of border security is needed, as congress does with all other appropriations....

The president is claiming this national security only to distract from the Trump campaign's collusion with the Russians coming out....
if it were a national security risk he would have shut the gvt down when republicans were in charge the past 2 years.... but HE DIDN'T.... this is simply a political ploy, to get the news off of what really is happening.

Did you have the same opinion when the government was shut down over DACA?

3 days wasn't it?

 

[Care4all]

Sorry, dingbat, but taking hostages is exactly how you negotiate

maybe in a criminal mob boss's or terrorist's world.... but for the president of the United States? Come on!!!! sheesh....

That's how you negotiate with terrorists, and that's what the Democrats are.

no... it is what the president is using and doing and he took pride in it....

 

[Dragonlady]

The Dummycraps are still trying to sell this lie that this is a manufactured crisis.......even though before Trump was elected they all said it was real.
Now it's much worse than it was when they agreed it was a crisis.

Still, every talking-head on the left keeps repeating this lie that this is a "MANUFACTURED CRISIS".



This is how Obama reacted to the immigration crisis that Pelosi and Schumer say now is manufactured.

It is a manufactured crisis. The system was working just fine. Illegal crossings are at their lowest point in declades. By declaring that everyone crossing the border be detained in custody until their asylum case is litigated, Trump has created a crisis. There was no "zero tolerance" on border crossings. Legal crossings weren't being slowed to a trickle. Incarceration facilities weren't being constructed on the border.

All of these moves to create problems on the border so that Trump can be seen to "solving" the problem, have backfired, BIGLY.

 

[jc456]

Sorry, dingbat, but taking hostages is exactly how you negotiate

maybe in a criminal mob boss's or terrorist's world.... but for the president of the United States? Come on!!!! sheesh....

That's how you negotiate with terrorists, and that's what the Democrats are.

no... it is what the president is using and doing and he took pride in it....

he's doing if for the 300 million americans in the US. are you saying he shouldn't be negotiating for the 300 million? Isn't that his job?

 

[jc456]

The Dummycraps are still trying to sell this lie that this is a manufactured crisis.......even though before Trump was elected they all said it was real.
Now it's much worse than it was when they agreed it was a crisis.

Still, every talking-head on the left keeps repeating this lie that this is a "MANUFACTURED CRISIS".



This is how Obama reacted to the immigration crisis that Pelosi and Schumer say now is manufactured.

It is a manufactured crisis. The system was working just fine. Illegal crossings are at their lowest point in declades. By declaring that everyone crossing the border be detained in custody until their asylum case is litigated, Trump has created a crisis. There was no "zero tolerance" on border crossings. Legal crossings weren't being slowed to a trickle. Incarceration facilities weren't being constructed on the border.

All of these moves to create problems on the border so that Trump can be seen to "solving" the problem, have backfired, BIGLY.

are you saying the border patrol agency is lying?

 

[sparky]

and you think a wall is going to stop cartels w/$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$....?

they're laughing at it as hard as our DEA is

~S~

 

[Care4all]

Sorry, dingbat, but taking hostages is exactly how you negotiate

maybe in a criminal mob boss's or terrorist's world.... but for the president of the United States? Come on!!!! sheesh....

That's how you negotiate with terrorists, and that's what the Democrats are.

no... it is what the president is using and doing and he took pride in it....

he's doing if for the 300 million americans in the US. are you saying he shouldn't be negotiating for the 300 million? Isn't that his job?

he shouldn't be playing with worker's jobs and survival incomes for his game.... period.

Sell Congress and we the people on his desires and give us a plan, with where the new walls are to be put, and any of his other plans for border security, with numbers reflecting the cost and return on investment, like all other presidents have had to do.... he and his admin appear to be lazy bastards and are not willing to do the work....

What he is doing is simply for political posturing with his base... at the expense of other people's livelihood

 

[Polishprince]

and you think a wall is going to stop cartels w/$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$....?

they're laughing at it as hard as our DEA is

~S~

Its not going to stop all drug trafficking, but it will stop and delay some.

Even if the Wall will only save one life, its well worth it

 

[BluesLegend]

Dem's claimed student loan debt was a crisis, and nobody was dying.

 

[jc456]

Sorry, dingbat, but taking hostages is exactly how you negotiate

maybe in a criminal mob boss's or terrorist's world.... but for the president of the United States? Come on!!!! sheesh....

That's how you negotiate with terrorists, and that's what the Democrats are.

no... it is what the president is using and doing and he took pride in it....

he's doing if for the 300 million americans in the US. are you saying he shouldn't be negotiating for the 300 million? Isn't that his job?

he shouldn't be playing with worker's jobs and survival incomes for his game.... period.

Sell Congress and we the people on his desires and give us a plan, with where the new walls are to be put, and any of his other plans for border security, with numbers reflecting the cost and return on investment, like all other presidents have had to do.... he and his admin appear to be lazy bastards and are not willing to do the work....

What he is doing is simply for political posturing with his base...

they shouldn't let illegals in that kill americans. I think that's worse. just saying.

I don't understand how you as an american don't care that illegals kill americans. i bet you were ready to shut down something to protest that journalist that was killed in turkey that was Saudi Arabian? I heard more outcry about that guy then the cop killed in our country by an illegal. not sure how you can look at yourself.

I now question your loyalty to this country.

 

[BluesLegend]

and you think a wall is going to stop cartels w/$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$....?

they're laughing at it as hard as our DEA is

~S~

Its not going to stop all drug trafficking, but it will stop and delay some.

Even if the Wall will only save one life, its well worth it

Building code requires a fire rated door between the garage and living quarters, barriers work.

 

[Polishprince]

Dem's claimed student loan debt was a crisis, and nobody was dying.

Someone wanting to skip out on paying back the money they borrowed from someone is a crisis for the lender.

If I were Secretary of Education, I'd sell the bad debts to the Sopranos and let them have a free hand in determining how to collect.

 

[Polishprince]

and you think a wall is going to stop cartels w/$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$....?

they're laughing at it as hard as our DEA is

~S~

Its not going to stop all drug trafficking, but it will stop and delay some.

Even if the Wall will only save one life, its well worth it

Building code requires a fire rated door between the garage and living quarters, barriers work.

That's true. My mum has a house with an integral garage, even though she doesn't use it for a garage.

 

[jc456]

Unbelievable that the broad can be this callous. Donald J. Trump has a plan- to build a wall- to help stem this. And it only costs $5B. Sure, it won't eliminate all illegal alienage and all drug odds.

But if it reduces the number of deaths to 90,000 or even 90,999, its well worth every penny IMHO.

And the facts are that walls work, the anti-terror wall in Israel is more than 90% effective.

Disgusting: Nancy Pelosi Calls 66,000 Opioid Deaths And 25,000 Illegal Alien Murderers A “Manufactured Crisis”

she had more of an outcry about that saudi journalist killed in turkey, than the americans killed by illegals. Her Loyalty isn't to our america.