Zone1 Ever have a moment of stress and then you just sense that G-d is there for you and has your back?

Perhaps it is just when you are thinking of religion that your inward bitterness surfaces?
Largely but not entirely. I also have a bitterness towards a society that didn’t want to look at my personal achievements because of my appearance and/or the guess that I got some sort of accommodation due to my appearance. I never did. I never asked for any aaistabce. I didn’t need it for the most part. Because of my face many people assume I got help to get where I am now.
 
Not a feeling I have had often or of late. Tonight though it just rushed over me. I was not in the middle of a dream, I was simply reading and it struck me.

It is really unique. Suddenly I felt extremely assured, confident. Protected even.

Sorry if it sounds peculiar, it was a sudden experience I felt like sharing to solicit other experiences from those who may have had similar experiences.
Enlightenment comes at times.
 
With me, it's more like this: I'll stress over something for days. Sometimes I might feel that God has abandoned me. I might worry myself to sleep then wake up worrying some more. Then, when I finally reach a solution to my problem, I come to the realization that God was with me the entire time and that I wasted my time worrying.
Suffering is stressing over a perceived future instead of being in the present. Very typical of most everyone including myself.
 
A decision to turn one's back on discovering why, is a turning point in your story--not caring about the why. In my position I sometimes find myself working with special ed students. There is unbelievable beauty in some of their hard, difficult lives, beauty that "normal" can only hope to ever experience.

To believe one's true value lies in a genetic code must be a heavy cross to bear.
Getting to his main point, why couldn't any of the clerics, priests, pastors, or holy men he consulted answer him as directly as you are?

Also, doesn't one's true value lie in a genetic code, especially if it is believed that God is the author of that genetic code?
 
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Getting to his main point, why couldn't any of the clerics, priests, pastors, or holy men he consulted answer him as directly as you are?

Also, doesn't one's true value lie in a genetic code, especially if it is believed that God is the author of that genetic code?
The story of Adam (man) wanted a physical existence where the knowledge of both good and evil could be attained. Each of us want this, it is inherent in our nature. Physical life allows us to attain this knowledge meaning we are also susceptible to disease, inherited genetic failures hemophilia and non-inherited genetic mutation (Sturge-Weber Syndrome). Then, of course, are our own choices that effect our lives. The story tells us God cautioned us (mankind) of wanting this knowledge, but once we chose it, He promised he would also remain with us through thick and thin. Whatever trouble we ran into, made for ourselves, inherited, God could bring good from it.

The Apostle Paul had such a thorn, and he begged God that it be removed from him. The answer was not to be concerned because from that very weakness God could bring greatness. Christian teaching is that our lives come with a cross. We are to pick up that cross and follow Christ (which Paul did). St. Augustine's own choices caused his thorn, but again God brought greatness from those weaknesses.

As for why any of the clerics, priests, pastors couldn't answer? There is a great irony here, because as you can see, I got the answer I gave him from clerics, priests, pastors! :) When I was still in elementary school, a new, young priest dropped by one of our religion classes. The first thing he asked was who could remember the readings and the homily from the Sunday homily two days before. Of course, none of us could. He explained that those readings and homily pointed to a "homework" assignment we were to work on during the week. We shouldn't worry about succeeding in that assignment, we were to only work on it.

So...at a young age I began to actually listen to readings, homilies and figure out the homework assignment for the week. Even so, there are plenty of times I show up at church the following Sunday and test myself with the question: What were the readings last Sunday?--and I can't remember.
 
Largely but not entirely. I also have a bitterness towards a society that didn’t want to look at my personal achievements because of my appearance and/or the guess that I got some sort of accommodation due to my appearance. I never did. I never asked for any aaistabce. I didn’t need it for the most part. Because of my face many people assume I got help to get where I am now.
I hesitated before responding to this, because I very much respect (while not agreeing) with your feelings about religion.

Forgiveness. This is not to benefit the people who have wronged or even overlooked you, but to get this load of resentment/bitterness off your own shoulders. No one truly needs the accolades of others--they are simply a nice-to-have. You know who you are, what you have accomplished, what you have contributed. It's a case for, "Don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing." I know the feeling/trial of someone doing something I simply could not forgive. It was a burden, but I couldn't shake it off. Then it occurred to me that I could ask God to forgive that individual until I had reached the time/place (it took years) I could add my own forgiveness. I think it goes back to my belief that sins are forgiven, and I want everyone's sins to be forgiven--but that one episode that was too much for me, wouldn't be too much for God.

It may seem silly, but as you cannot forgive God, try thinking about asking God to forgive himself--and anyone else you find you simply cannot forgive.
 
try thinking about asking God to forgive himself
Hasn't God already paid his debt?" The way I see it anyone who argues God created a world that is sometimes unfair will be met with agreement from God. Followed by God explaining he has already punished himself for that. What can they possible say to that? You didn't punish yourself hard enough? Then God is going to say, if you blame me for all of the bad things, why didn't you credit me for all of the good things? Because the good vastly outnumbered and out weighed the bad.

Now I don't actually believe anyone who meets the creator of existence will be dumb enough to lip off. So I don't see that exchange occurring. What I do believe will occur is that at death we are stripped of our pride and ego and we will see how things really were. It will be a mixed bag of good and bad. And it won't elicit emotion. It will be an honest accounting using perfect information. I believe that what happens after that is up to us. Those who can tolerate God's love will accept it. Those that can't will reject it. God gets a really bad rap and I'm tired of it.
 
Forgiveness. This is not to benefit the people who have wronged or even overlooked you, but to get this load of resentment/bitterness off your own shoulders. No one truly needs the accolades of others--they are simply a nice-to-have. You know who you are, what you have accomplished, what you have contributed. It's a case for, "Don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing." I know the feeling/trial of someone doing something I simply could not forgive. It was a burden, but I couldn't shake it off. Then it occurred to me that I could ask God to forgive that individual until I had reached the time/place (it took years) I could add my own forgiveness. I think it goes back to my belief that sins are forgiven, and I want everyone's sins to be forgiven--but that one episode that was too much for me, wouldn't be too much for God.

It may seem silly, but as you cannot forgive God, try thinking about asking God to forgive himself--and anyone else you find you simply cannot forgive.
I think we’ve discussed this before, but forgiveness is a concept that I don’t really believe in. I believe in consequence and taking responsibility for one’s mistakes, not just being allowed to ignore them. So that’s a difficult thing for me to work with.

As for needing accolades… I have two younger brothers who byvtgectimectgey were in school were surpassing me in pretty much every way possible… scholastically, academically, socially, physically, etc… to see two perfectly healthy siblings being lauded for the things they seemed to achieve so easily while getting no credit for the things I had to work so hard to accomplish myself is really a slap in the face from society. One thst doesn’t go away easily.
 
Hasn't God already paid his debt?" The way I see it anyone who argues God created a world that is sometimes unfair will be met with agreement from God. Followed by God explaining he has already punished himself for that. What can they possible say to that? You didn't punish yourself hard enough? Then God is going to say, if you blame me for all of the bad things, why didn't you credit me for all of the good things? Because the good vastly outnumbered and out weighed the bad.

Now I don't actually believe anyone who meets the creator of existence will be dumb enough to lip off. So I don't see that exchange occurring. What I do believe will occur is that at death we are stripped of our pride and ego and we will see how things really were. It will be a mixed bag of good and bad. And it won't elicit emotion. It will be an honest accounting using perfect information. I believe that what happens after that is up to us. Those who can tolerate God's love will accept it. Those that can't will reject it. God gets a really bad rap and I'm tired of it.
I hear what you are saying. I am more on the track that I often have to forgive myself. Where Anathema and I differ, is that he believes God deliberately targeted him for sturge-weber disease, whereas I believe God is most concerned with our spiritual life because He can guide us through the physical and moral challenges we face in this life. This is on the order of, Is God so powerful he can make a rock not even he can lift? In this case, If God needed to forgive himself, would he, or would he bring perfection to it instead? (If something is made perfect, what is there to forgive?)

I don't so much see as people giving God a bad rap, as people presenting/giving themselves reasons/excuses for not putting any/enough effort in seeking-finding God, and following his ways. In that way, I agree with you. In the presence of God, "But I had a good reason...." falls flat before the thought is even finished. One's own choice of choosing God or not is (and always was) front and center.
 
I think we’ve discussed this before, but forgiveness is a concept that I don’t really believe in. I believe in consequence and taking responsibility for one’s mistakes, not just being allowed to ignore them. So that’s a difficult thing for me to work with.

As for needing accolades… I have two younger brothers who byvtgectimectgey were in school were surpassing me in pretty much every way possible… scholastically, academically, socially, physically, etc… to see two perfectly healthy siblings being lauded for the things they seemed to achieve so easily while getting no credit for the things I had to work so hard to accomplish myself is really a slap in the face from society. One thst doesn’t go away easily.
Years ago I had a student who worked harder than any student I had seen before--and harder than any student I had after. And the best she could do (according to tests and rubrics) was a 'C'. She had great parents who told me I was never to give her more than what was required from tests/rubrics. They (and she) were all aware of her limitations--it was who she was--and we all wanted nothing more than for her to be who she was--and proud of it. She not only had a lot to offer--she gave so much. She was already head and shoulders above most human beings, and she was happy in her own shoes. She reminds me of that old adage: You must be yourself. Everyone else is taken. I wouldn't have wanted her to be anyone else--she was perfect as herself.

Perhaps see yourself as perfect in your own right?
 
Years ago I had a student who worked harder than any student I had seen before--and harder than any student I had after. And the best she could do (according to tests and rubrics) was a 'C'. She had great parents who told me I was never to give her more than what was required from tests/rubrics. They (and she) were all aware of her limitations--it was who she was--and we all wanted nothing more than for her to be who she was--and proud of it. She not only had a lot to offer--she gave so much. She was already head and shoulders above most human beings, and she was happy in her own shoes. She reminds me of that old adage: You must be yourself. Everyone else is taken. I wouldn't have wanted her to be anyone else--she was perfect as herself.

Perhaps see yourself as perfect in your own right?
Wonderful advice, if you can be a hermit. Unfortunately we live in a society which requires us to interact with other human beings. People who may not be so enlightened or accepting. I could spend hours telling you stories from my past of those who had no need to be in accepting but still are.
 
Wonderful advice, if you can be a hermit. Unfortunately we live in a society which requires us to interact with other human beings. People who may not be so enlightened or accepting. I could spend hours telling you stories from my past of those who had no need to be in accepting but still are.
I am definitely a hermit at heart. Here is a story of a group of relatively normal people who, none-the-less, were facing serious problems/issues. The therapists all had them write a list (no names) of all the problems they were facing. The lists were shuffled and passed around the circle until everyone had read them all, and the lists were returned to the center of the table. They were then asked to select the list they felt were the simplest problems to tackle. After a short time, people began reaching for a list. In the end it was discovered that each person had chosen his/her own list of problems/issues. (As far as I know, this was never made into test that could be studied scientifically. It was merely anecdotal, something for most to think over during times life is overwhelming.

The point is, everyone has problems that seem unfair, unreasonable, and no one else seems to care. You are not alone in that. I am more than willing to accept that you rate your situation as harder than most. Many of us (I know I am) find ourselves in jobs that even though we like and enjoy (at least most of the time) fit this category:

We, the willing
Led by the unknowing
Are doing the impossible for the ungrateful.
We have done so much with so little for so long
We are now qualified to do anything with nothing.
 
Not a feeling I have had often or of late. Tonight though it just rushed over me. I was not in the middle of a dream, I was simply reading and it struck me.

It is really unique. Suddenly I felt extremely assured, confident. Protected even.

Sorry if it sounds peculiar, it was a sudden experience I felt like sharing to solicit other experiences from those who may have had similar experiences.

Yes. And that's a great comfort, but better than our capricious feelings are the promises in God's Word!
 
The point is, everyone has problems that seem unfair, unreasonable, and no one else seems to care. You are not alone in that. I am more than willing to accept that you rate your situation as harder than most. Many of us (I know I am) find ourselves in jobs that even though we like and enjoy (at least most of the time) fit this category:

We, the willing
Led by the unknowing
Are doing the impossible for the ungrateful.
We have done so much with so little for so long
We are now qualified to do anything with nothing.
If i had been given an option to be a hermit i would have taken it.,probably would have saved me a lot of head and hesaart aches over the years. Unfortunately my medical situation didn’t allow for that.

I don’t expect anyone else to care about my problems, just so long as they don’t go and exacerbate them. I’m not looking for anyone’s pity or charity. I’m really just looking to be left alone.

My complaints are between me and “God”. If we ever meet, I’ve got some words for Him; but doubtvtgstvwill ever happen. I’d rather spend an eternity in Hell than a moment in His presence.
 
My complaints are between me and “God”. If we ever meet, I’ve got some words for Him; but doubtvtgstvwill ever happen. I’d rather spend an eternity in Hell than a moment in His presence.
You indicate that love and appreciation are important to you. Both can be found in God's presence; neither can be found in hell.
 
You indicate that love and appreciation are important to you. Both can be found in God's presence; neither can be found in hell.
Not Love. Love is something I don’t believe in. Appreciation is. I don’t see that appreciation coming from either side so I tend to gravitate towards the side that never claimed appreciation was their thing to begin with.!Bettervtge honest asshole than the one who lies about caring in the first place.
 
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Not Love. Love is something I don’t believe in. Appreciation is. I don’t see that appreciation coming from either side so I tend to gravitate towards the side that never claimed appreciation was their thing to begin with.!Bettervtge honest asshole than the one who lies about caring in the first place.
How much love and appreciation have you shown to others?
 
How much love and appreciation have you shown to others?
Again, I don’t believe in love. My wife and I have a marriage build almost exclusively on our ability to meet each others needs and nothing more.

As for appreciation… I show far more than the vast majority of people in my life deserve. Even more so what I do is attempt NOT to berate them for their incompetence and shortcomings related to major parts of life.
 
Again, I don’t believe in love. My wife and I have a marriage build almost exclusively on our ability to meet each others needs and nothing more.
And you still can't figure out why you are so sour?
 
As for appreciation… I show far more than the vast majority of people in my life deserve.
Why in the world would you do that?

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