Even When Times Are Tough Keep Socialism as Your North Star, Though Building fully socialist society takes long time, we should never lose sight of it

[francoHFW]

This is not my writing style, this is my speaking style. I'm here slumming just yelling at idiots like you. Once you figure out the difference between socialism and communism you will be a much more intelligent and a fairer voter. The difference is democracy and all the things that go with it, just about everything.

 

[francoHFW]

Stay the course!

That is communism. Learn the difference. Democracy, brainwashed functional morons....

 

[francoHFW]

How much you want to bet Franco doesn't get money from the government every month? He probably just doesn't know how to budget it and so he's bitching about being broke. United States is one of the most socially generous Nations on the face of the planet despite the fact that it's based on capitalism. But as it is with human nature for some people there is never enough. They don't understand that there's no such thing as free anything. I'd like to see Franco go to work in Sweden with a tech fully 50% of your pay every week.
How the hell does that translate out into free?

Jo

I am still happily retired, brainwashed functional moron, and unlike you I am worried about the state of the country and the health of the economy and mainly the middle class which the GOP has been destroying the last 40 years.

Well they don't pay $2500 a year on average for broken automobiles because of crappy roads. Socialism is simply fair capitalism DUHHH, and knowing the difference will not turn you into a Nazi or whatever word you don't understand that you are throwing around these days... Hater dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

Democrats are socialists in the USA, they just don't know it and neither do you because everyone thinks that socialism is immediately communism, which in actuality only has followers in China Cuba North Korea and Vietnam with guns to their heads. We are the richest country in the world easily and the only modern country without a living wage healthcare for all cheap college and training paid parental leave daycare ID card to end illegal immigration and mainly taxing the rich and giant corporations their fair share. And you idiots go immediately into communism and Russia lol. Absolute idiocy.

 

[francoHFW]

Please don't take that as a personal insult. It's just an objective observation, given the incoherence of your posts.

Very few people on the Right are economic Libertarians. While they are, rightly, not eager to extend central government powers, they recognize necessity, especially if the things we're talking about have been around for many decades: so we have to have the military, we have to have various government protections for the people who would otherwise not be insured, not be taken care of in their old age, etc.

I completely understand liberals' fury over Mr Trump. How I wish we had had an American Churchill. But you go to war with the army you've got.

I suppose something like this is what liberals tell themselves every time Joe Biden does or says something stupid, or allows something to happen that he shouldn't have (like arming the jihadis with billions of dollars worth of our best weapons, allowing the Chinese spy balloon to overfly the entire country), or every time Kamala Harris opens her mouth.

So we can see you, and raise you ten.

Change the channel. What don't you understand? Socialism is everywhere in the modern world except for the United states. It is simply fair capitalism with a good safety net and you people immediately go into stalinism lol....

Biden is arming jihadists? The military said let the balloon go, it's just a cheap ersatz satellite and we can jam it. Haris is just fine you get the worst spin ever anywhere... Just hateful propaganda

 

[Doug1943]

Change the channel. What don't you understand? Socialism is everywhere in the modern world except for the United states. It is simply fair capitalism with a good safety net and you people immediately go into stalinism lol....

Biden is arming jihadists? The military said let the balloon go, it's just a cheap ersatz satellite and we can jam it. Haris is just fine you get the worst spin ever anywhere... Just hateful propaganda

I try to be a gentleman so I won't post some of Ms Harris' word salads.

I see you cannot answer my quick history of the Socialist movement, proving that Socialists were for full-blooded socialism -- nationalization of the economy under a National Plan, albeit with democracy -- for almost a century, until the undemocratic socialist economies showed how inefficient genuine socialism actually was. (And a few still are.)

It's like someone who urged his friends to eat cyanide, until some of them and died. And then he claimed by the word 'cyanide' he meant 'chocolate'!

Now, I asked you for your sources of data about how bad the US is, with its impoverished population and extreme inequality.

So let's have it. After all, you say it's we conservatives who just mindlessly repeat things we were told.

Some of my less polite co-thinkers might say you're just repeating things your teachers tell you. But I want to give you an opportunity to refute them, and give us a few sources for your assertions.

Over to you.

 

[dblack]

That is communism. Learn the difference. Democracy, brainwashed functional morons....

No, that's any form of government, to dipshit

 

[westwall]

Socialism is like any other human edeavor...it depends on humans to administrate it. As long as that remains the case it will also, like any other system administrated by humans, be abused for selfish purposes.

JO

Morso because socialism destroys the ability of the individual to defend themselves from their government.

Something the bro is too stupid to understand.

 

[westwall]

That is communism. Learn the difference. Democracy, brainwashed functional morons....

Better than you, a brainwashed, NON FUNCTIONAL, moron.

 

[francoHFW]

Morso because socialism destroys the ability of the individual to defend themselves from their government.

Something the bro is too stupid to understand.

That is communism, brainwashed functional moron.

 

[francoHFW]

I try to be a gentleman so I won't post some of Ms Harris' word salads.

I see you cannot answer my quick history of the Socialist movement, proving that Socialists were for full-blooded socialism -- nationalization of the economy under a National Plan, albeit with democracy -- for almost a century, until the undemocratic socialist economies showed how inefficient genuine socialism actually was. (And a few still are.)

It's like someone who urged his friends to eat cyanide, until some of them and died. And then he claimed by the word 'cyanide' he meant 'chocolate'!

Now, I asked you for your sources of data about how bad the US is, with its impoverished population and extreme inequality.

So let's have it. After all, you say it's we conservatives who just mindlessly repeat things we were told.

Some of my less polite co-thinkers might say you're just repeating things your teachers tell you. But I want to give you an opportunity to refute them, and give us a few sources for your assertions.

Over to you.

Yes yes, you have a full appreciation question and obsession with garbage savage capitalist propaganda. Socialism has always been I'll be there in an hour always democratic fair capitalism with a good safety net. Of course that is extremely attractive so you have Nazis and communists trying to tell you that they are socialists and scumbag extreme capitalists agreeing with them on one thing that one.

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers. | Fact Left

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

factleft.com

the American middle class has gone to hell the last 40 years thanks to the giveaway to the rich GOP that only brainwashed functional morons would vote for

 

[francoHFW]

No, that's any form of government, to dipshit

here come the brainwashed libertarians who somehow still vote for the scumbag GOP every time lol

 

[francoHFW]

I try to be a gentleman so I won't post some of Ms Harris' word salads.

I see you cannot answer my quick history of the Socialist movement, proving that Socialists were for full-blooded socialism -- nationalization of the economy under a National Plan, albeit with democracy -- for almost a century, until the undemocratic socialist economies showed how inefficient genuine socialism actually was. (And a few still are.)

It's like someone who urged his friends to eat cyanide, until some of them and died. And then he claimed by the word 'cyanide' he meant 'chocolate'!

Now, I asked you for your sources of data about how bad the US is, with its impoverished population and extreme inequality.

So let's have it. After all, you say it's we conservatives who just mindlessly repeat things we were told.

Some of my less polite co-thinkers might say you're just repeating things your teachers tell you. But I want to give you an opportunity to refute them, and give us a few sources for your assertions.

Over to you.

You know nothing but garbage GOP propaganda, you can't help yourself. Just because you haven't heard this before doesn't mean it's incoherent, it means your brain is stuck on garbage.
The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 40 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 43 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb...able=58&Freq=Qtr&FirstYear=2008&LastYear=2010
4 = Prudent Bear Fund
4 = The Fed - Financial Accounts of the United States - Z.1 - Current Release
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

 

[Doug1943]

Yes yes, you have a full appreciation question and obsession with garbage savage capitalist propaganda. Socialism has always been I'll be there in an hour always democratic fair capitalism with a good safety net. Of course that is extremely attractive so you have Nazis and communists trying to tell you that they are socialists and scumbag extreme capitalists agreeing with them on one thing that one.

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers. | Fact Left

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

factleft.com

the American middle class has gone to hell the last 40 years thanks to the giveaway to the rich GOP that only brainwashed functional morons would vote for

I see you have no actual sources for your beliefs. A couple of questions for you. What is the median income in America? And in, say, France? And ... do you know what the Gini coefficient is?

 

[westwall]

That is communism, brainwashed functional moron.

Socialism is merely a short step on the road to totalitarian dictatorship.

Communism is Utopia, you non functional moron.

 

[justoffal]

I see you have no actual sources for your beliefs. A couple of questions for you. What is the median income in America? And in, say, France? And ... do you know what the Gini coefficient is?

What this fool doesn't realize it's that he just enumerated the progression of dollar inflation almost point for point driven by excess borrowing over those years to support ....you guessed it ....the socialist agenda.

Jo

 

[francoHFW]

Socialism is merely a short step on the road to totalitarian dictatorship.

Communism is Utopia, you non functional moron.

Communism is a dictatorship that doesn't work like all dictatorships, super duper. Socialism has never just turned into communism, socialism has always been elected, communism has always needed a violent revolution. Wake up and smell the coffee

 

[francoHFW]

What this fool doesn't realize it's that he just enumerated the progression of dollar inflation almost point for point driven by excess borrowing over those years to support ....you guessed it ....the socialist agenda.

Jo

it's way past time to tax the rich again their fair share and invest in America and Americans again stop whining about how much everything everything costs while the rich are bloated beyond all recognition.

 

[francoHFW]

What this fool doesn't realize it's that he just enumerated the progression of dollar inflation almost point for point driven by excess borrowing over those years to support ....you guessed it ....the socialist agenda.

Jo

see post 173 above and stop being a brainwashed functional moron.... The last 40 years of GOP tax rates have ruined the middle class and the country while the rich get so bloated it's ridiculous. Meanwhile you fools think the rich pay too much... unbelievable dupes.

 

[francoHFW]

I see you have no actual sources for your beliefs. A couple of questions for you. What is the median income in America? And in, say, France? And ... do you know what the Gini coefficient is?

All you ignoramuses have is questions lol. I do know that the French have the number one quality of life while we are number 23, also in happiness.