Evangelicals remember your role in Germany

[zaangalewa]

Protestant and Catholic Churches were complicit in supporting Hitler and his regime during WWII. In the beginning only one or two religions spoke out and and defied Hitler to the point of death.

I have a lot of concerns with any religion that allowed the evil to spread.

The bishops of the Catholic Church in Germany for example suggested not to vote for Hitler in 1933.

 

[zaangalewa]

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Also...most of these weren't Evangelicals.

Right from the Holocaust site: (who am I to argue with them)

PROTESTANT CHURCHES IN NAZI GERMANY

The largest Protestant church in Germany in the 1930s was the German Evangelical Church, comprised of 28 regional churches or Landeskirchen that included the three major theological traditions that had emerged from the Reformation: Lutheran, Reformed, and United. Most of Germany's 40 million Protestants were members of this church, although there were smaller so-called "free" Protestant churches, such as Methodist and Baptist churches.

They were also persuaded by the statement on “positive Christianity” in Article 24 of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform, which read:
"We demand the freedom of all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not jeopardize the state's existence or conflict with the manners and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The Party as such upholds the point of view of a positive Christianity without tying itself confessionally to any one confession. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit at home and abroad and is convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only be achieved from within on the basis of the common good before individual good."

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10005206

I am not saying this is at all representative of any religion but it is something to be watchful of.

(This is the Deutsche Christen flag.)

The so called "Deutsche Christen" (German Chrtistians) were a Nazi Organisation. They tried to create a completly new form of religion without the Old Testament, where Jesus was a son of a germanic soldier in the Roman army. Jesus - not a Jew but an antisemite in this propaganda - fought with the sword in the hand against Jews. Crazy ideas far from the real christian religion.

The reaction of the Protestanst was the so called "Bekennende Kirche" with the "Barmer theologische Erklärung" in 1934. Dietrich Bonhoeffer is very famous in this context. The BK banned the so called "Deutsche Christen" - or with other words: They made it public that the members of the organisation "Deutsche Christen" were (and are) not Christians.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I get so upset whenever I hear Christians cutting down the Nazi's, evans are real good at this. You must remember most of those Nazis were Evangelical Christians. Don't for a minute think Hitler turned them into NAZI's. Anti Semitism didn't begin with Hitler.


PROTESTANT CHURCHES IN NAZI GERMANY

The largest Protestant church in Germany in the 1930s was the German Evangelical Church, comprised of 28 regional churches or Landeskirchen that included the three major theological traditions that had emerged from the Reformation: Lutheran, Reformed, and United. Most of Germany's 40 million Protestants were members of this church, although there were smaller so-called "free" Protestant churches, such as Methodist and Baptist churches.

They were also persuaded by the statement on “positive Christianity” in Article 24 of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform, which read:

"We demand the freedom of all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not jeopardize the state's existence or conflict with the manners and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The Party as such upholds the point of view of a positive Christianity without tying itself confessionally to any one confession. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit at home and abroad and is convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only be achieved from within on the basis of the common good before individual good."

The German Churches and the Nazi State

This has nothing to do with the church. People are people, and people who are religious have been taken in and told what to believe, such people can easily be changed to believe something else. So it doesn't matter which part of religion you're talking, even non-religious people can be taken in by stuff like this.

 

[Penelope]

I get so upset whenever I hear Christians cutting down the Nazi's, evans are real good at this. You must remember most of those Nazis were Evangelical Christians. Don't for a minute think Hitler turned them into NAZI's. Anti Semitism didn't begin with Hitler.


PROTESTANT CHURCHES IN NAZI GERMANY

The largest Protestant church in Germany in the 1930s was the German Evangelical Church, comprised of 28 regional churches or Landeskirchen that included the three major theological traditions that had emerged from the Reformation: Lutheran, Reformed, and United. Most of Germany's 40 million Protestants were members of this church, although there were smaller so-called "free" Protestant churches, such as Methodist and Baptist churches.

They were also persuaded by the statement on “positive Christianity” in Article 24 of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform, which read:

"We demand the freedom of all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not jeopardize the state's existence or conflict with the manners and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The Party as such upholds the point of view of a positive Christianity without tying itself confessionally to any one confession. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit at home and abroad and is convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only be achieved from within on the basis of the common good before individual good."

The German Churches and the Nazi State

This has nothing to do with the church. People are people, and people who are religious have been taken in and told what to believe, such people can easily be changed to believe something else. So it doesn't matter which part of religion you're talking, even non-religious people can be taken in by stuff like this.

Well the Evans can quit blaming the RCC, and the constant drumming from Evangelicals that Germans were "bad people". The same Christians were good people when they fire bombed Germany and released the nukes on Japan, right. There are no good sides in war.
This zeroing in on Hitler and the German people makes people think it was all about Hitler and the Jews. There was much more going on that that. That is all people remember about WWII is Hitler and the Jews, and Nazis.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I get so upset whenever I hear Christians cutting down the Nazi's, evans are real good at this. You must remember most of those Nazis were Evangelical Christians. Don't for a minute think Hitler turned them into NAZI's. Anti Semitism didn't begin with Hitler.


PROTESTANT CHURCHES IN NAZI GERMANY

The largest Protestant church in Germany in the 1930s was the German Evangelical Church, comprised of 28 regional churches or Landeskirchen that included the three major theological traditions that had emerged from the Reformation: Lutheran, Reformed, and United. Most of Germany's 40 million Protestants were members of this church, although there were smaller so-called "free" Protestant churches, such as Methodist and Baptist churches.

They were also persuaded by the statement on “positive Christianity” in Article 24 of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform, which read:

"We demand the freedom of all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not jeopardize the state's existence or conflict with the manners and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The Party as such upholds the point of view of a positive Christianity without tying itself confessionally to any one confession. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit at home and abroad and is convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only be achieved from within on the basis of the common good before individual good."

The German Churches and the Nazi State

This has nothing to do with the church. People are people, and people who are religious have been taken in and told what to believe, such people can easily be changed to believe something else. So it doesn't matter which part of religion you're talking, even non-religious people can be taken in by stuff like this.

Well the Evans can quit blaming the RCC, and the constant drumming from Evangelicals that Germans were "bad people". The same Christians were good people when they fire bombed Germany and released the nukes on Japan, right. There are no good sides in war.
This zeroing in on Hitler and the German people makes people think it was all about Hitler and the Jews. There was much more going on that that. That is all people remember about WWII is Hitler and the Jews, and Nazis.

A lot of people spend their whole time on forums like this taking the information they want and ignoring anything that's inconvenient. Another example of how bad humans are in general.

 

[zaangalewa]

.... and if you were talking to German Evangelicals, that would apply. I'm an America, and never was in Germany, or a Nazi... so it doesn't apply to me... and I don't care what someone who can't tell the difference, thinks about it. Bye bye.

Of course not,

Anti-semitism did not begin with Hitler but Hitler took it to a new level.

No really one can read William II words and also Karl Lueger use the Jewish Question before Hitler even knew a Jew . Also never forget the Jews declared war on German in 1933 at its lowest point. Now Hilter we know spent much time in Vienna of where he seen first hand the roles of the Jews here. I must say when one asks why Germany felt the way it did , one must also look at the actions of the Jews. Obviously Hitler was not alone in his feelings.

We see the same thing here in the states.

the Jews declared war on German in 1933 at its lowest point.

What a delusional piece of shit you are

What do you expect from a Christian, RC at that!

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Germany is and always has been a spiritually bankrupt nation. Germans are minions of Satan and we should all take notice of the actions of anyone who has German ancestry.

You mean like Albert Schweitzer, Albert Einstein, Martin Luther, J.S. Bach, Oskar Schindler, etc?

Well, Martin Luther was a raging anti-semite.

That's true. Martin Luther was against Catholics, Jews and farmers. He had a very choleric temperament. What doesn't mean he was always wrong with everything what he said. Augustinus for example was a brillant thinker - but he was an antisemite too. Sometimes I'm a little sad about because I love lots of his ideas - and I have jewish ancestors on my own. The mistakes of famous people are unfortunatelly often causing greater problems. But I can live with dead antisemites. When do you think will you die?

 

[zaangalewa]

Penelope, keep this thing in mind that I always tell business owners and my children regarding staff and friends: "desperate people do desperate things". In business and friendship there are other applications to that, but in reference to the Nazis, we have to keep in mind that Germany was a devastated nation. The Treaty of Versailles completely crushed the German economy and German patriotism. The people were totally desperate and in that desperation they latched on to an extreme philosophy. Certainly, there was anti-Semitism in Germany to some degree, just as there is all over the world. But they were a convenient and desperate scapegoat for Hitler and the Nazi party to point to. Hitler was not going to gain power by saying 'we have only ourselves to blame'.

I totally agree - Hitler's rise to power was far more complex than people realize. The terms of WW1 led to it and the Jews have always been a convenient scapegoat due to their minority status and the Christian view towards them that blamed them for killing Christ and embraced the stereotypes. He also offered his people an opposition to communism and linked Jews with communism.

Not scapegoat, the cause , they got communism in Russia, but darn if Germany was going to give in so easy, but boy they have been paying for it every since. We also got shown who was boss in 9-11 as well. Killing Christ are you kidding, the Jews they disliked were the scoundrels, the atheists, the take over your country kind. That card was dead for a long time. The jews , the materialistic ones, spiritually dead.

"The cause"?

Who was boss in 9-11?

The "take over your country" kind?

Oh, this is indeed interesting

Communism wasn't a bad idea in those days - the class system and deeply entrenched inequities needed to be confronted.

I agree but not to the extent it was. Now we have capitalism in the US, and so now we need socialism which will lead to communism , of which the gov. is in control and who is the Government, right now its peons who do what the elites tell them to do.

ROFLMAO so you did not graduate HIGH SCHOOL-----you got educated by old women suffering from paranoid delusions and too much booze. ----amongst the inebriated whores-----the word "socialism" becomes = to totalitarian communism----
and the sluts continue to worship adolf---but cannot understand why Nazism is called "national socialism". did you pass high school geometry?

National = right wing . Socialism = left wing <=> Hitler tried to get votes from the right and left political spectrum.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I totally agree - Hitler's rise to power was far more complex than people realize. The terms of WW1 led to it and the Jews have always been a convenient scapegoat due to their minority status and the Christian view towards them that blamed them for killing Christ and embraced the stereotypes. He also offered his people an opposition to communism and linked Jews with communism.

Not scapegoat, the cause , they got communism in Russia, but darn if Germany was going to give in so easy, but boy they have been paying for it every since. We also got shown who was boss in 9-11 as well. Killing Christ are you kidding, the Jews they disliked were the scoundrels, the atheists, the take over your country kind. That card was dead for a long time. The jews , the materialistic ones, spiritually dead.

"The cause"?

Who was boss in 9-11?

The "take over your country" kind?

Oh, this is indeed interesting

Communism wasn't a bad idea in those days - the class system and deeply entrenched inequities needed to be confronted.

I agree but not to the extent it was. Now we have capitalism in the US, and so now we need socialism which will lead to communism , of which the gov. is in control and who is the Government, right now its peons who do what the elites tell them to do.

ROFLMAO so you did not graduate HIGH SCHOOL-----you got educated by old women suffering from paranoid delusions and too much booze. ----amongst the inebriated whores-----the word "socialism" becomes = to totalitarian communism----
and the sluts continue to worship adolf---but cannot understand why Nazism is called "national socialism". did you pass high school geometry?

National = right wing . Socialism = left wing <=> Hitler tried to get votes from the right and left political spectrum.

Hitler didn't really conform to what left and right had been before, hence why he was considered extreme. Certain things he had were considered left wing, but really in the context they weren't. And many things were right wing, but again, it was extremism.

Far right and far left are closer to each other because of the "far" than they are to the left or the right of the political spectrum.

 

[zaangalewa]

Why is the term "evangelical" being used to describe all protestants in Germany-----I am not objecting----I just don't know that usage. It does not make sense to me at all that a statement by the Nazi party in
reference to its supposed policy on protestant churches-----reflects the policies, in general, of Protestant churches in Germany. Penelope's hero, adolf ---said LOTS of things

In Germany exist two big christian churches - the catholic church and the evangelic church. The Protestants of 20 different churches are working together in Germany in a common structure called EKD (Evangelische Kirche in Deutschland). This structure was created in 1945 after world war 2.

 

[Penelope]

Benito Mussolini was the father of fascism. Your all so anti communist now, well Hitler was as well ,and Stalin and his Jews were commies. Some are still today, many. If they are not communist, they are capitalist. Stalin was also a nationalist,

just like the US is today. The Evangelicals and Front Mag, whose owner use to be a commie, turned right wing lunatic after the cold war.

Seems to me the Jews declared war on Germany first. The jews or should I say Zionist were not innocent by standards, and they could careless about the orthodox jews in Poland. The Zionist were also creating havoc there. The Britain's had no delusions they were the chosen race.

The winners write history, and the winners got a country and lots of money, but history is rearing its ugly head.

And as the war was going on, US companies supplied Hitler with equipment and probably Stalin. Don't forget Britain nor the US wanted the Jews.

 

[irosie91]

Benito Mussolini was the father of fascism. Your all so anti communist now, well Hitler was as well ,and Stalin and his Jews were commies. Some are still today, many. If they are not communist, they are capitalist. Stalin was also a nationalist,

just like the US is today. The Evangelicals and Front Mag, whose owner use to be a commie, turned right wing lunatic after the cold war.

Seems to me the Jews declared war on Germany first. The jews or should I say Zionist were not innocent by standards, and they could careless about the orthodox jews in Poland. The Zionist were also creating havoc there. The Britain's had no delusions they were the chosen race.

The winners write history, and the winners got a country and lots of money, but history is rearing its ugly head.

And as the war was going on, US companies supplied Hitler with equipment and probably Stalin. Don't forget Britain nor the US wanted the Jews.

your entire post is lifted from the islamo Nazi propaganda which I know well since I began reading it before I reached the age of ten. ----- I grew up in a town full of shit like you and a Nazi enclave. ------beer soaked
house whores and whiskey marinated male slobs. The good news is that the demographics did change.
Jews never "DECLARED WAR" on Germany--------being literate people unlike the pile of dog shit from
which you were spawned--------jews did read the writings of your pimp----ADOLF HITLER (published
circa 1927, and, therefore knew what your pimp had in mind------and OPENLY declared their opposition
to the pimp "god" that you worship. The biggest misfortune of the 1930s is that Europe and the USA
refused to heed the warnings jews issued. I read the propaganda that your fellow pimps and whores
promulgated way back in the 1930s------your shit still littered the marinated town in which I lived ----World
war II was the machination the scum of your ilk who licked the ass of UNCLE ADOLF and still do.
Zionists were creating "havoc" in Poland? ------a very interesting idea. As to US companies------
lots of US companies are and were infected with shit like you and still are

 

[Penelope]

Benito Mussolini was the father of fascism. Your all so anti communist now, well Hitler was as well ,and Stalin and his Jews were commies. Some are still today, many. If they are not communist, they are capitalist. Stalin was also a nationalist,

just like the US is today. The Evangelicals and Front Mag, whose owner use to be a commie, turned right wing lunatic after the cold war.

Seems to me the Jews declared war on Germany first. The jews or should I say Zionist were not innocent by standards, and they could careless about the orthodox jews in Poland. The Zionist were also creating havoc there. The Britain's had no delusions they were the chosen race.

The winners write history, and the winners got a country and lots of money, but history is rearing its ugly head.

And as the war was going on, US companies supplied Hitler with equipment and probably Stalin. Don't forget Britain nor the US wanted the Jews.

your entire post is lifted from the islamo Nazi propaganda which I know well since I began reading it before I reached the age of ten. ----- I grew up in a town full of shit like you and a Nazi enclave. ------beer soaked
house whores and whiskey marinated male slobs. The good news is that the demographics did change.
Jews never "DECLARED WAR" on Germany--------being literate people unlike the pile of dog shit from
which you were spawned--------jews did read the writings of your pimp----ADOLF HITLER (published
circa 1927, and, therefore knew what your pimp had in mind------and OPENLY declared their opposition
to the pimp "god" that you worship. The biggest misfortune of the 1930s is that Europe and the USA
refused to heed the warnings jews issued. I read the propaganda that your fellow pimps and whores
promulgated way back in the 1930s------your shit still littered the marinated town in which I lived ----World
war II was the machination the scum of your ilk who licked the ass of UNCLE ADOLF and still do.
Zionists were creating "havoc" in Poland? ------a very interesting idea. As to US companies------
lots of US companies are and were infected with shit like you and still are

I know nothing is true unless its from a Zionist site. When Stalin kicked Trotsky out, it was because he wanted to start communism everywhere and well Stalin was more concerned about industrialization and nationalism. Trotsky was successful as many countries started communism, even in Palestine you Zionist went and started it there, before Hitler.

 

[zaangalewa]

Benito Mussolini was the father of fascism.

The italian fascism had nothing to do with antisemitism.

Your all so anti communist now, well Hitler was as well ,and Stalin and his Jews were commies. Some are still today, many. If they are not communist, they are capitalist. Stalin was also a nationalist,

I call Hitler and Stalin the right and left jawbone of the devil, because they ate many people in the left-right direction.

just like the US is today.

?

The Evangelicals and Front Mag, whose owner use to be a commie, turned right wing lunatic after the cold war.

Seems to me the Jews declared war on Germany first.

What a nonsense. It was Hitler and his criminal gangs who murdered Jews.

The jews or should I say Zionist were not innocent by standards, and they could careless about the orthodox jews in Poland. The Zionist were also creating havoc there. The Britain's had no delusions they were the chosen race.

The winners write history, and the winners got a country and lots of money, but history is rearing its ugly head.

And as the war was going on, US companies supplied Hitler with equipment and probably Stalin. Don't forget Britain nor the US wanted the Jews.

And what says Sigmund Freud about your problems? No German has any problem with the USA because the USA wan world war 2. By the way: The USA helped lots of german Jews.

 

[Papageorgio]

Protestant and Catholic Churches were complicit in supporting Hitler and his regime during WWII. In the beginning only one or two religions spoke out and and defied Hitler to the point of death.

I have a lot of concerns with any religion that allowed the evil to spread.

The bishops of the Catholic Church in Germany for example suggested not to vote for Hitler in 1933.

Not according to many.

The Catholic Church and the Holocaust | History News Service

 

[zaangalewa]

Protestant and Catholic Churches were complicit in supporting Hitler and his regime during WWII. In the beginning only one or two religions spoke out and and defied Hitler to the point of death.

I have a lot of concerns with any religion that allowed the evil to spread.

The bishops of the Catholic Church in Germany for example suggested not to vote for Hitler in 1933.

Not according to many.

In the catholic regions of Germany and in Berlin voted less people for the NSDAP than in other regions.

The Catholic Church and the Holocaust | History News Service

This text here ignores that the same civil rights for Jews were existing as for everyone else since long decades before Hitler came and that there was no wide spreaded Antisemitism in Germany existing before the Nazis used modern propagandistic methods and brainwashed continously everyone who lived in Germany. So lots of Germans believed they are Aryans and Jews are not Germans - what was completly stupid - both. The Nazis needed even a marker to make a difference between Germans who were Jews, because no one was able to identify with the own eyes someone who was a member of the so called "jewish race" - although lots of cliches were used and propagated. I'm for example blond and blue-eyed - but I have also jewish ancestors. The Nazis would murder me because of their confused ideas about racism. But I don't care about this idiots.

The racism of the Nazis came by the way not from the italian fascism but came from the anglo-american racism and darwinism in a german misinterpretation. "Nur die Starken werden überleben" - "Only the strong will survive" and not "surviving of the fittest". The Nazi ideology based on biologisms like "Der Mensch ist des Menschen Wolf" . "The human being is the wolve of the human being". Such ideas are by the way a minimum of 500 years older than the christian religion. The christian religion gives other answers.

 

[Papageorgio]

Protestant and Catholic Churches were complicit in supporting Hitler and his regime during WWII. In the beginning only one or two religions spoke out and and defied Hitler to the point of death.

I have a lot of concerns with any religion that allowed the evil to spread.

The bishops of the Catholic Church in Germany for example suggested not to vote for Hitler in 1933.

Not according to many.

In the catholic regions of Germany and in Berlin voted less people for the NSDAP than in other regions.

The Catholic Church and the Holocaust | History News Service

This text here ignores that the same civil rights for Jews were existing as for everyone else since long decades before Hitler came and that there was no wide spreaded Antisemitism in Germany existing before the Nazis used modern propagandistic methods and brainwashed continously everyone who lived in Germany. So lots of Germans believed they are Aryans and Jews are not Germans - what was completly stupid - both. The Nazis needed even a marker to make a difference between Germans who were Jews, because no one was able to identify with the own eyes someone who was a member of the so called "jewish race" - although lots of cliches were used and propagated. I'm for example blond and blue-eyed - but I have also jewish ancestors. The Nazis would murder me because of their confused ideas about racism. But I don't care about this idiots.

The racism of the Nazis came by the way not from the italian fascism but came from the anglo-american racism and darwinism in a german misinterpretation. "Nur die Starken werden überleben" - "Only the strong will survive" and not "surviving of the fittest". The Nazi ideology based on biologisms like "Der Mensch ist des Menschen Wolf" . "The human being is the wolve of the human being". Such ideas are by the way a minimum of 500 years older than the christian religion. The christian religion gives other answers.

Only a small percentage overall voted for Hitler. Doesn't change the facts that the Catholic Church as well as other religions went along with Hitler and the Nazis. Those that didn't were persecuted..

It doesn't matter the reasons that they did or didn't, the fact remains that the Catholic Church blessed the troops with the full support of the Vatican.

They as is other religions that supported Hitler and the Nazi are blood guilty.

 

[zaangalewa]

Protestant and Catholic Churches were complicit in supporting Hitler and his regime during WWII. In the beginning only one or two religions spoke out and and defied Hitler to the point of death.

I have a lot of concerns with any religion that allowed the evil to spread.

The bishops of the Catholic Church in Germany for example suggested not to vote for Hitler in 1933.

Not according to many.

In the catholic regions of Germany and in Berlin voted less people for the NSDAP than in other regions.

The Catholic Church and the Holocaust | History News Service

This text here ignores that the same civil rights for Jews were existing as for everyone else since long decades before Hitler came and that there was no wide spreaded Antisemitism in Germany existing before the Nazis used modern propagandistic methods and brainwashed continously everyone who lived in Germany. So lots of Germans believed they are Aryans and Jews are not Germans - what was completly stupid - both. The Nazis needed even a marker to make a difference between Germans who were Jews, because no one was able to identify with the own eyes someone who was a member of the so called "jewish race" - although lots of cliches were used and propagated. I'm for example blond and blue-eyed - but I have also jewish ancestors. The Nazis would murder me because of their confused ideas about racism. But I don't care about this idiots.

The racism of the Nazis came by the way not from the italian fascism but came from the anglo-american racism and darwinism in a german misinterpretation. "Nur die Starken werden überleben" - "Only the strong will survive" and not "surviving of the fittest". The Nazi ideology based on biologisms like "Der Mensch ist des Menschen Wolf" . "The human being is the wolve of the human being". Such ideas are by the way a minimum of 500 years older than the christian religion. The christian religion gives other answers.

Only a small percentage overall voted for Hitler.

33.1% voted for the NSDAP in November 1932 - this was the last free election.

Doesn't change the facts that the Catholic Church as well as other religions went along with Hitler and the Nazis.

What's wrong.

Those that didn't were persecuted.

The greatest meeting of priests of the catholic church ever in history was in the concentration camp Dachau. Here in the area lots of priests were arrested and/or under control.

It doesn't matter the reasons that they did or didn't, the fact remains that the Catholic Church blessed the troops with the full support of the Vatican.

Sure. The Papal Swiss Guard leaded the SS-centre in the Wewelsburg and the Vatican did not allow american, french or polish Catholics to fight against Hitler. What did you say is the name of the planet you are coming from? Eridani IV?

They as is other religions that supported Hitler and the Nazi are blood guilty.

Pathetic and absurde nonsense. In 1937 the Pope for example wrote the only encyclica in german language ever was written in history. This was in a time when the most parts of the rest of the world were still full of respect for Hitler. It started with the words "Mit brennender Sorge" (With Burning Anxiety). It's a long text - in the moment for example I remember that the Pope suggested that every prisoner should have the right to speak with a clergyman of the own religion. I'm sure only this had changed a lot. Sure the catholic church showed a lot of confusion - but the situation was confusing - for everyone. Never in history something like this had happend. Still today the people are confused - you are a good example - although you had more than 5 times the time to find a clear view than the people had who lived in this years.

 

[Papageorgio]

My view is clear I have done research on religions and WWII. The Vatican was neutral as they signed a treaty with the Nazi. When the treaty was broken the Vatican said nothing. There were a few here and there that opposed Hitler but Catholic Priests and other religious officials prayed with and for the German troops. The most united Christian group to stand up to the Nazi regime was Jehovah's Witnesses.

 

[irosie91]

Protestant and Catholic Churches were complicit in supporting Hitler and his regime during WWII. In the beginning only one or two religions spoke out and and defied Hitler to the point of death.

I have a lot of concerns with any religion that allowed the evil to spread.

The bishops of the Catholic Church in Germany for example suggested not to vote for Hitler in 1933.

Not according to many.

The Catholic Church and the Holocaust | History News Service

it is still true that Italy was not so gung ho on GENOCIDE as was ADOLF. IMO----no thanks
to PIUS--------it was actually the Italian people who would not tolerate it

 

[zaangalewa]

My view is clear I have done research on religions and WWII.

Religion was one of the most unimportant themes under the Nazis.

The Vatican was neutral as they signed a treaty with the Nazi.

This was onyl one of lots of concordates with lots of states where the catholic church made clear that it has nothing to do any longer with worldly might.

When the treaty was broken the Vatican said nothing.

Sure said the catholic church nothing when Hitler broke the concordate with her. No one went to Hitler and said: "High old house - you broke your word. What do you think about?"

There were a few here and there that opposed Hitler but Catholic Priests and other religious officials prayed with and for the German troops.

German troops for example fought against brutal enemies like Americans who threw bombs on innocent german people - what made it the same time a little complicate to think about the politics of the NSDAP in and outside of Germany, because it was war.

The most united Christian group to stand up to the Nazi regime was Jehovah's Witnesses.

The Jehovah's witnesses got their instructions from their headquarter in the USA. Lots of them were executed because they refused to become soldiers. The delict was "Wehrkraftzersetzung" what means something like "undermining of military moral".