European Political Scientist: We Miss the Old America

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this talks about an op-ed that was in the Ny times. many of us don't recognize our country anymore. it's like watching a slow death of a once great country. Transformation isn't pretty

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In an op-ed for The New York Times, Bulgarian political scientist Ivan Krastev argues that most Europeans can hardly recognize America anymore as the once shining city on the hill that guides freedom-loving people everywhere, as Ronald Reagan so eloquently put it. Now, he says, Europeans look at America and see their own reflection.

His piece, "America Hasn't Gone Crazy. It's Just More Like Europe," starts off with a bang:

For most Europeans these days, traveling to America is like landing on Mars. Even the most sophisticated political analysts can’t make head or tail of what is happening in the country. They are offended by the rise of Donald J. Trump, puzzled by Bernie Sanders’s democratic socialist appeal to young American voters, and confused by President Obama’s unsentimental, risk-averse foreign policy that decided against punishing President Bashar al-Assad of Syria for crossing Mr. Obama’s own red line on chemical weapons.

Krastev, on the other hand, says he believes he understands "exactly what is going on in America" and explains why he believes Europeans are so confused. In his analysis, an angry "barking" Donald Trump would be right "at home in Europe" because of the "political resentment" that often garners the greatest mass appeal in those countries. "Mainstream parties barely get half the vote in national elections," he stated.

Another reason Trump fits the model is with his comments about Muslim immigration. Krastev says he quite often hears Europeans saying similar things in cafes, especially in terms of ridding the EU of Muslims and building walls on their borders to keep them out. Krastev noted that many Europeans also feel threatened that they are becoming "minorities in their own countries."

Bernie Sanders would also "be familiar to Europeans as well," said Krastev, because of how most young people there "view capitalism as a rigged and unfair system." Socialism is not a dirty word to them, he added.

That's funny because even Krastev pointed out that half of the young people in socialist governments like Greece, Spain and Portugal are unemployed college graduates who loathe free trade. It doesn't sound like that worldview is working out too well for them. But that sounds very much like what Millennials in America want: free college and an end to capitalism, and they expect it to work out and turn a blind eye to what is happening in Europe!

Krastev pegs President Obama as a major driving force in making America more like Europe:

all of it here:
European Political Scientist: We Miss the Old America
 
this talks about an op-ed that was in the Ny times. many of us don't recognize our country anymore. it's like watching a slow death of a once great country. Transformation isn't pretty

snip:
In an op-ed for The New York Times, Bulgarian political scientist Ivan Krastev argues that most Europeans can hardly recognize America anymore as the once shining city on the hill that guides freedom-loving people everywhere, as Ronald Reagan so eloquently put it. Now, he says, Europeans look at America and see their own reflection.

His piece, "America Hasn't Gone Crazy. It's Just More Like Europe," starts off with a bang:

For most Europeans these days, traveling to America is like landing on Mars. Even the most sophisticated political analysts can’t make head or tail of what is happening in the country. They are offended by the rise of Donald J. Trump, puzzled by Bernie Sanders’s democratic socialist appeal to young American voters, and confused by President Obama’s unsentimental, risk-averse foreign policy that decided against punishing President Bashar al-Assad of Syria for crossing Mr. Obama’s own red line on chemical weapons.

Krastev, on the other hand, says he believes he understands "exactly what is going on in America" and explains why he believes Europeans are so confused. In his analysis, an angry "barking" Donald Trump would be right "at home in Europe" because of the "political resentment" that often garners the greatest mass appeal in those countries. "Mainstream parties barely get half the vote in national elections," he stated.

Another reason Trump fits the model is with his comments about Muslim immigration. Krastev says he quite often hears Europeans saying similar things in cafes, especially in terms of ridding the EU of Muslims and building walls on their borders to keep them out. Krastev noted that many Europeans also feel threatened that they are becoming "minorities in their own countries."

Bernie Sanders would also "be familiar to Europeans as well," said Krastev, because of how most young people there "view capitalism as a rigged and unfair system." Socialism is not a dirty word to them, he added.

That's funny because even Krastev pointed out that half of the young people in socialist governments like Greece, Spain and Portugal are unemployed college graduates who loathe free trade. It doesn't sound like that worldview is working out too well for them. But that sounds very much like what Millennials in America want: free college and an end to capitalism, and they expect it to work out and turn a blind eye to what is happening in Europe!

Krastev pegs President Obama as a major driving force in making America more like Europe:

all of it here:
European Political Scientist: We Miss the Old America
Too bad the New York Times itself cannot take the hint. I really do not believe the leftist MSM in this nation has a conscience.
 
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this talks about an op-ed that was in the Ny times. many of us don't recognize our country anymore. it's like watching a slow death of a once great country. Transformation isn't pretty

snip:
In an op-ed for The New York Times, Bulgarian political scientist Ivan Krastev argues that most Europeans can hardly recognize America anymore as the once shining city on the hill that guides freedom-loving people everywhere, as Ronald Reagan so eloquently put it. Now, he says, Europeans look at America and see their own reflection.

His piece, "America Hasn't Gone Crazy. It's Just More Like Europe," starts off with a bang:

For most Europeans these days, traveling to America is like landing on Mars. Even the most sophisticated political analysts can’t make head or tail of what is happening in the country. They are offended by the rise of Donald J. Trump, puzzled by Bernie Sanders’s democratic socialist appeal to young American voters, and confused by President Obama’s unsentimental, risk-averse foreign policy that decided against punishing President Bashar al-Assad of Syria for crossing Mr. Obama’s own red line on chemical weapons.

Krastev, on the other hand, says he believes he understands "exactly what is going on in America" and explains why he believes Europeans are so confused. In his analysis, an angry "barking" Donald Trump would be right "at home in Europe" because of the "political resentment" that often garners the greatest mass appeal in those countries. "Mainstream parties barely get half the vote in national elections," he stated.

Another reason Trump fits the model is with his comments about Muslim immigration. Krastev says he quite often hears Europeans saying similar things in cafes, especially in terms of ridding the EU of Muslims and building walls on their borders to keep them out. Krastev noted that many Europeans also feel threatened that they are becoming "minorities in their own countries."

Bernie Sanders would also "be familiar to Europeans as well," said Krastev, because of how most young people there "view capitalism as a rigged and unfair system." Socialism is not a dirty word to them, he added.

That's funny because even Krastev pointed out that half of the young people in socialist governments like Greece, Spain and Portugal are unemployed college graduates who loathe free trade. It doesn't sound like that worldview is working out too well for them. But that sounds very much like what Millennials in America want: free college and an end to capitalism, and they expect it to work out and turn a blind eye to what is happening in Europe!

Krastev pegs President Obama as a major driving force in making America more like Europe:

all of it here:
European Political Scientist: We Miss the Old America
Too bad the New York Times itself cannot take the hint. I really do not believe the leftist MSM has a conscience in this nation.

yes, I normally wouldn't post anything from the Nyslimes, but I thought his op-ed speaks for how people here feels the same thing.
 
It's true. Liberalism is a damn cancer and it is killing the United States from within. It's EXACTLY what Communists of the last century said they would do. The ideology would infect us from within and slowly grow until it kills us.

The liberals and Democrat Party are exaty that. We are another 15-20 years of this shit away from a total collapse. And liberals are cheering it along.

Dark times for the world will follow. Very sad.
 
It's true. Liberalism is a damn cancer and it is killing the United States from within. It's EXACTLY what Communists of the last century said they would do. The ideology would infect us from within and slowly grow until it kills us.

The liberals and Democrat Party are exaty that. We are another 15-20 years of this shit away from a total collapse. And liberals are cheering it along.

Dark times for the world will follow. Very sad.

I agree. I'm afraid there isn't good times ahead for us. Look at what's been brought down on us with Obama. Riots, lootings, innocent police officers being assassinated, the Universities is a hot mess of stupidity, they are holding conference's on some dumb thing they made up called, "WHITE privilege" that is going to start getting people hurt and on and on
 
Liberals, statists, and other useful idiots always wanted the USA to emulate western Europe...now they are getting their wish...and as always, the consequences are most heinous.
 
It's true. Liberalism is a damn cancer and it is killing the United States from within. It's EXACTLY what Communists of the last century said they would do. The ideology would infect us from within and slowly grow until it kills us.

The liberals and Democrat Party are exaty that. We are another 15-20 years of this shit away from a total collapse. And liberals are cheering it along.

Dark times for the world will follow. Very sad.
True, but...

How much can we really put the blame on liberal ideologies?
I mean, just how stupid are most Americans? When you put all your efforts into money, sex and pleasure you are bound to lose the way. No one is taking God seriously in their lives and destiny... or so it seems.
 
It's true. Liberalism is a damn cancer and it is killing the United States from within. It's EXACTLY what Communists of the last century said they would do. The ideology would infect us from within and slowly grow until it kills us.

The liberals and Democrat Party are exaty that. We are another 15-20 years of this shit away from a total collapse. And liberals are cheering it along.

Dark times for the world will follow. Very sad.
True, but...

How much can we really put the blame on liberal ideologies?
I mean, just how stupid are most Americans? When you put all your efforts into money, sex and pleasure you are bound to lose the way. No one is taking God seriously in their lives and destiny... or so it seems.


We have a lot of gullible Americans these days and all it takes is some leftist politicians and the leftwing media to push the ideals and these fools fall for it hook line and sinker.
 
It's true. Liberalism is a damn cancer and it is killing the United States from within. It's EXACTLY what Communists of the last century said they would do. The ideology would infect us from within and slowly grow until it kills us.

The liberals and Democrat Party are exaty that. We are another 15-20 years of this shit away from a total collapse. And liberals are cheering it along.

Dark times for the world will follow. Very sad.
True, but...

How much can we really put the blame on liberal ideologies?
I mean, just how stupid are most Americans? When you put all your efforts into money, sex and pleasure you are bound to lose the way. No one is taking God seriously in their lives and destiny... or so it seems.


We have a lot of gullible Americans these days and all it takes is some leftist politicians and the leftwing media to push the ideals and these fools fall for it hook line and sinker.

yep, that is hurting us as much as the snakes in these political parties pushing their Brand of hate, class wars and division on us.
 
It's true. Liberalism is a damn cancer and it is killing the United States from within. It's EXACTLY what Communists of the last century said they would do. The ideology would infect us from within and slowly grow until it kills us.

The liberals and Democrat Party are exaty that. We are another 15-20 years of this shit away from a total collapse. And liberals are cheering it along.

Dark times for the world will follow. Very sad.
True, but...

How much can we really put the blame on liberal ideologies?
I mean, just how stupid are most Americans? When you put all your efforts into money, sex and pleasure you are bound to lose the way. No one is taking God seriously in their lives and destiny... or so it seems.


We have a lot of gullible Americans these days and all it takes is some leftist politicians and the leftwing media to push the ideals and these fools fall for it hook line and sinker.

yep, that is hurting us as much as the snakes in these political parties pushing their Brand of hate, class wars and division on us.
Meanwhile, 69,635 posts later, and we are still holding out hope that one of these days, one of them will make just a little bit of sense.

But, don't hold your breath kiddies.
 
It's true. Liberalism is a damn cancer and it is killing the United States from within. It's EXACTLY what Communists of the last century said they would do. The ideology would infect us from within and slowly grow until it kills us.

The liberals and Democrat Party are exaty that. We are another 15-20 years of this shit away from a total collapse. And liberals are cheering it along.

Dark times for the world will follow. Very sad.
the cancer is the subhuman like "kulture" of the southern cracker, a shame General Sherman didn't finish the job
 
this talks about an op-ed that was in the Ny times. many of us don't recognize our country anymore. it's like watching a slow death of a once great country. Transformation isn't pretty

snip:
In an op-ed for The New York Times, Bulgarian political scientist Ivan Krastev argues that most Europeans can hardly recognize America anymore as the once shining city on the hill that guides freedom-loving people everywhere, as Ronald Reagan so eloquently put it. Now, he says, Europeans look at America and see their own reflection.

His piece, "America Hasn't Gone Crazy. It's Just More Like Europe," starts off with a bang:

For most Europeans these days, traveling to America is like landing on Mars. Even the most sophisticated political analysts can’t make head or tail of what is happening in the country. They are offended by the rise of Donald J. Trump, puzzled by Bernie Sanders’s democratic socialist appeal to young American voters, and confused by President Obama’s unsentimental, risk-averse foreign policy that decided against punishing President Bashar al-Assad of Syria for crossing Mr. Obama’s own red line on chemical weapons.

Krastev, on the other hand, says he believes he understands "exactly what is going on in America" and explains why he believes Europeans are so confused. In his analysis, an angry "barking" Donald Trump would be right "at home in Europe" because of the "political resentment" that often garners the greatest mass appeal in those countries. "Mainstream parties barely get half the vote in national elections," he stated.

Another reason Trump fits the model is with his comments about Muslim immigration. Krastev says he quite often hears Europeans saying similar things in cafes, especially in terms of ridding the EU of Muslims and building walls on their borders to keep them out. Krastev noted that many Europeans also feel threatened that they are becoming "minorities in their own countries."

Bernie Sanders would also "be familiar to Europeans as well," said Krastev, because of how most young people there "view capitalism as a rigged and unfair system." Socialism is not a dirty word to them, he added.

That's funny because even Krastev pointed out that half of the young people in socialist governments like Greece, Spain and Portugal are unemployed college graduates who loathe free trade. It doesn't sound like that worldview is working out too well for them. But that sounds very much like what Millennials in America want: free college and an end to capitalism, and they expect it to work out and turn a blind eye to what is happening in Europe!

Krastev pegs President Obama as a major driving force in making America more like Europe:

all of it here:
European Political Scientist: We Miss the Old America
Too bad the New York Times itself cannot take the hint. I really do not believe the leftist MSM has a conscience in this nation.

yes, I normally wouldn't post anything from the Nyslimes, but I thought his op-ed speaks for how people here feels the same thing.


Stephanie

Stefunny doesn't get it.

In the "old America", you would not be living off the taxes paid by others. You would not be getting your welfare, food stamps, your free Medicaid or that government cheese you love so much.
 

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