EU warns Israel over settlement construction

[Kondor3]

Awwwww, give it a rest, Georgie! We all know you don't give a flying fig or a rolling donut about any US sailors as human beings. You've made your prancing contempt for the US military all too clear...

George spews so much venom towards the United States and its military and its People and its foreign policy that it's difficult to believe that he actually resides on this continent.

...We also know you not only don't love this nation of ours (the US), that you long to see it torn apart in revolution just so the 'dsadvantaged' will *automatically* get a preference the vast majority of your fellow citizens never did..."

George hates the United States, so much that I find myself wondering whether he is one of us, or a disaffected immigrant, or even an Internet Jihadist from elsewhere in the world, but, no matter, hate is hate, and it's not difficult to see ol' George came back for Seconds and Thirds on Hate, like a little piggy, the day the gods were passing-out emotions...

"...And we all understand that you turn a blind eye to the very real racism, apartheid, land theft and disenfranchisement which have been rampant across the ME and in Africa to this very day. No word of censure for the murderous mullahs in Iran has escaped your fingers: no opprobrium is directed at the monstruous masters of Sudan for their butchery and slavery..."

But none of those examples involve Jews which George can spit poison at, so they don't come up on his scope.

"...No, all you can find to fake outrage about is a single solitary situation in the midst of a war, a war over 45 years ago....... and persist in insulting one of the most fair and unbiased posters here as part of your argument..."

It's what One-Trick Ponies do... ol' George is ubiquitous, alright, as are one or two of his colleagues, but he doesn't run very deep, and neither does his arsenal nor bag of tricks.

"...I daresay Rocco has forgotten more about US policy, international law, and actual fact pertaining to the ME, than you have ever managed to learn...... by about 10,000 percent..."

Amen.

"...There really IS something valuable taught in college (although it can also be learned elsewhere or even on one's own): critical thinking. It's a skill which you lack, Georgie. It's why you keep using Pukin's owned and operated 'RT' as a reference."

Most likely, an accurate assessment.

 

[Hossfly]

pbel, georgephillip, et al,

Yes, if it were an "illegal occupation."


(COMMENT)

Be specific, what makes the "occupation" illegal?



The issue has been addressed as an item called PERMANENT STATUS NEGOTIATIONS (Oslo I) with the CHAPTER 2 - REDEPLOYMENT AND SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS in accordance with Oslo II.

I was pretty sure that Isreal and the PLO agreed that the outcome of the Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, and borders would be based of further negotiations under the "Permanent Status Negotiations clause."

(FURTHER)



I may be biased. It is hard not to be in today's political climate.

The response on the nature of CI was directed at: georgephillip You are correct, it has little to do with the Occupation.

I can say with great confidence that there is no ally of any consequence and capability, that does not pose a threat to sensitive US Operations, where ever they may be conducted overseas. This includes Israel, but is not limited to Israel. The internal security forces of every nation in the Middle East (and elsewhere) are formidable. And I can say, with great confidence, that nearly every nation, of any capability, interest, or of some consequence, believes that the US conducts either overt, covert, or clandestine collection operations against them; whether or not that is in truth the case. Everybody watches everybody else; friend or foe.

Most Respectfully,
R

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

UN Security Council
Resolution 242

United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 (S/RES/242) was adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, in the aftermath of the Six-Day War. It was adopted under Chapter VI of the UN Charter.[1] The resolution was sponsored by British ambassador Lord Caradon and was one of five drafts under consideration.[2]

The preamble[3] refers to the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every State in the area can live in security."

The Arab position:
The Khartoum Resolution of September 1, 1967 was issued at the conclusion of 1967 Arab League summit convened in the wake of the Six-Day War, in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan... It is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three No's": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it."

Khartoum Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Makes one wonder when the "Palestinians" are going to stage their inevitable, much anticipated walkout.

 

[SAYIT]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

UN Security Council
Resolution 242

United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 (S/RES/242) was adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, in the aftermath of the Six-Day War. It was adopted under Chapter VI of the UN Charter.[1] The resolution was sponsored by British ambassador Lord Caradon and was one of five drafts under consideration.[2]

The preamble[3] refers to the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every State in the area can live in security."

The Arab position:
The Khartoum Resolution of September 1, 1967 was issued at the conclusion of 1967 Arab League summit convened in the wake of the Six-Day War, in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan... It is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three No's": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it."

Khartoum Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Makes one wonder when the "Palestinians" are going to stage their inevitable, much anticipated walkout.

The Pal walkout seems guaranteed thanks to the EU.
From the OP:
"In further pressure on Israel, a European delegation told Israeli officials that there could be dire consequences if the current round of peace talks collapses, including economic sanctions against the settlements, an EU official said."

 

[RoccoR]

SAYIT, pbel, et al,

Of course part of the problem is that any agreement, accord or framework that is established between the Israeli and the Arab is subject to, without regard to the sincerity of the negotiated effort, abandonment by the Arabs.

The Arab position:
The Khartoum Resolution of September 1, 1967 was issued at the conclusion of 1967 Arab League summit convened in the wake of the Six-Day War, in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan... It is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three No's": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it."

(COMMENT)

The Khartoum Resolution (Summit of 8 Arab States)[Source: League of Arab States (LAS) 1 September 1967] is merely a reaction to the military failures of the Arab League to attain by force and military conquest, the remainder of the former Mandate territory. Although these are pre-1993 Oslo Accord resolutions, they are often cited as untainted goals, objectives and policies.

The preamble[3] refers to the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every State in the area can live in security."

(COMMENT)

This is often cited in regards to the "Occupation." It may have some validity; remembering that it was elements of the Arab League that acquired by force the Gaza Strip and West Bank, and annexed that territory. In 1967 and since, when and during the Occupation by Israel, the Palestinians declared independence without Israeli Interference, held elections without Israeli Interference, and were party to several levels of negotiations.

To date, the people of Palestine have not recanted their solemn oath of genocide, have not recanted their promise of Jihad as the only solution, and have not demonstrated any change in policy relative to the armed struggle with Israel.

Israel has not annexed any territory of Gaza or the West Bank.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[aris2chat]

>>The best story was spun by Lord Rothschild:

"April 2, 2013

The strength of the Jewish Lobby in Washington DC <<

Lord Rothschild spun this?? LOL

Very good.

Yep, that figure came direct from Iran Press TV, same ones that first said Israel had opened a dam and intentionally flooded gaza, during the storm of the century. All the best stories come from there.

The best story was spun by Lord Rothschild:

"April 2, 2013

The strength of the Jewish Lobby in Washington DC has been demonstrated once again with US President Barack Obama’s approval of a new congressional bill which boosts US taxpayer donations to $11 million every day.

"Previously, this figure stood at 'only' $8 million every day, but in terms of the now finalized 'United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012,' American taxpayers will give an additional $40 billion in military funding to Israel over a ten-year period.

"The military aid package will automatically start when the current 10-year aid package (worth $30 billion), signed by President George W. Bush in 2007, comes to an end."

US Aid to Israel Jumps to $11 Million Dollars Per Day as US States, Counties and Cities go Bankrupt!

 

[georgephillip]

>>The best story was spun by Lord Rothschild:

"April 2, 2013

The strength of the Jewish Lobby in Washington DC <<

Lord Rothschild spun this?? LOL

Yep, that figure came direct from Iran Press TV, same ones that first said Israel had opened a dam and intentionally flooded gaza, during the storm of the century. All the best stories come from there.

The best story was spun by Lord Rothschild:

"April 2, 2013

The strength of the Jewish Lobby in Washington DC has been demonstrated once again with US President Barack Obama’s approval of a new congressional bill which boosts US taxpayer donations to $11 million every day.

"Previously, this figure stood at 'only' $8 million every day, but in terms of the now finalized 'United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012,' American taxpayers will give an additional $40 billion in military funding to Israel over a ten-year period.

"The military aid package will automatically start when the current 10-year aid package (worth $30 billion), signed by President George W. Bush in 2007, comes to an end."

US Aid to Israel Jumps to $11 Million Dollars Per Day as US States, Counties and Cities go Bankrupt!

Lord Rothschild spun the original tale:

"The Balfour Declaration (dated 2 November 1917) was a letter from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland.

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine..."

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

And it goes without saying that anyone who'd use such a blatantly biased source is not really seeking actual discussion or any solution to problems: they just seek to pimp their view. Which is a pretty disgusting view, dependin as it does upon the same colossal strawman of 'international Jewry' as did Henry Ford's filth, and the 'Protocols' before that.

Nazi or Commie, or freakin' "pacifist humanitarian" - it's all the same swill shoveled from the same shitstains......... The stench is overwhelming.

So...you believe Israel is not receiving $11 billion US tax dollars every day?
Why should Americans continue funding Israel when US cities are going bankrupt?
Because Henry Ford was a bigot?

Israel gets a fifth of America's foreign aid package. So who's getting the other four-fifths? Pakistan, which was harboring Bin Laden? Libya, which killed 4 American diplomats?

Foreign Assistance Budget

What makes Israel worth 20% of US foreign aid when millions of Africans are starving?

 

[georgephillip]

Whatever for?

My criticism was not concerning the Daily Magic Number...

My criticism was the use of such a bottom-feeder as a source...

I can't imagine even visiting such a site for more than 10 seconds in clicking on a link to check it out, never mind hanging around such a skumbag website long enough to actualy pick up anything that had some basis in fact...

Makes one want to take a long hot disinfecting shower just viewing one of their web-pages...

Try showering in Sulfuric Acid and spare us any more amateur night melodrama...

Wow. I would not have resorted to such talk in my dealings with you. And certainly not triggered by a clarification that I was objecting to a data-source and not the data itself.

But... now that you've chosen to take that tone... not to worry about alienating Person A or B around here... you're still our Chief Resident Arab Butt-Boy... and our chief source of Arabs-on-American-Soil stand-up propaganda comedy... HBO ought to send-out a talent-scout to check you out...

"...'Because the Israel lobby has gradually become one of the most powerful interest groups in the United States..."

Nobody wants to hear the Mission Statement or a recital of the raison d'être of your Paranoia Peddlers Guild.

Why would you waste key strokes complaining about a data source if you agree with the data, Bugs?

 

[Hossfly]

So...you believe Israel is not receiving $11 billion US tax dollars every day?
Why should Americans continue funding Israel when US cities are going bankrupt?
Because Henry Ford was a bigot?

Israel gets a fifth of America's foreign aid package. So who's getting the other four-fifths? Pakistan, which was harboring Bin Laden? Libya, which killed 4 American diplomats?

Foreign Assistance Budget

What makes Israel worth 20% of US foreign aid when millions of Africans are starving?

The starving Africans get plenty of goods and money from the AU, UN, EU and US. The money goes to the warlord's and politician's personal bank accounts and the goods are either sold to the people or allowed to rot and spoil on docks and in warehouses. They learned well from the PA and Hamas.

 

[georgephillip]

georgephillip, et al,

Now this is a legitimate beef!


(COMMENT)

This is a matter of the US Congress making a determination of what is more important.

Most Respectfully,
R

Yes, their seat in congress.

Israel does not vote in our congressional elections and even if all American Jews voted as one - an absurd assumption - they would account for less than 3% of any election. So who is voting for these pols who support Israel?

Do you mean the rich pols who gave Bibi fifty standing ovations the last time he spoke before the US Congress? Elected Republicans AND Democrats depend on the richest 1% of their constituents to fund their campaigns and retirements. The richest 1% in the US depend upon the Long War to provide some of the money they donate to elected Republicans AND Democrats; Israel is little more than a forward operating base in that theater. The total number of Jewish votes in the US is immaterial when compared to the amount of money AIPAC can use either for or against any politician seeking national office. Public funding of all US elections would force the Jewish state to negotiate in good faith with Palestinians or vanish from the page of time.

 

[georgephillip]

Israel gets a fifth of America's foreign aid package. So who's getting the other four-fifths? Pakistan, which was harboring Bin Laden? Libya, which killed 4 American diplomats?

Foreign Assistance Budget

What makes Israel worth 20% of US foreign aid when millions of Africans are starving?

The starving Africans get plenty of goods and money from the AU, UN, EU and US. The money goes to the warlord's and politician's personal bank accounts and the goods are either sold to the people or allowed to rot and spoil on docks and in warehouses. They learned well from the PA and Hamas.

Where did Hamas study?

"Another often cited example is Israeli support of Islamic movements in the 1970s and 1980s intended to weaken the PLO, and leading to the creation of Hamas.[5][6][7]

"With its takeover of Gaza after the 1967 war with Egypt, Israel hunted down secular Palestinian Liberation Organization factions but dropped the previous Egyptian rulers' harsh restrictions against Islamic activists.[8]

"In fact, Israel for many years tolerated and at times encouraged Islamic activists and groups as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the PLO and its dominant faction, Fatah.[8][9]

"Among the activists benefited was Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza, who had also formed the Islamist group Mujama al-Islamiya in 1973, a charity recognized by Israel in 1979. Israel allowed the organization to build mosques, clubs, schools, and a library in Gaza."

Blowback (intelligence) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hossfly]

Yes, their seat in congress.

Israel does not vote in our congressional elections and even if all American Jews voted as one - an absurd assumption - they would account for less than 3% of any election. So who is voting for these pols who support Israel?

Do you mean the rich pols who gave Bibi fifty standing ovations the last time he spoke before the US Congress? Elected Republicans AND Democrats depend on the richest 1% of their constituents to fund their campaigns and retirements. The richest 1% in the US depend upon the Long War to provide some of the money they donate to elected Republicans AND Democrats; Israel is little more than a forward operating base in that theater. The total number of Jewish votes in the US is immaterial when compared to the amount of money AIPAC can use either for or against any politician seeking national office. Public funding of all US elections would force the Jewish state to negotiate in good faith with Palestinians or vanish from the page of time.

Sounds likea disgusting democratic process, doesn't it? Make you jealous, all that money floating around?

 

[Kondor3]

Try showering in Sulfuric Acid and spare us any more amateur night melodrama...

Wow. I would not have resorted to such talk in my dealings with you. And certainly not triggered by a clarification that I was objecting to a data-source and not the data itself.

But... now that you've chosen to take that tone... not to worry about alienating Person A or B around here... you're still our Chief Resident Arab Butt-Boy... and our chief source of Arabs-on-American-Soil stand-up propaganda comedy... HBO ought to send-out a talent-scout to check you out...

"...'Because the Israel lobby has gradually become one of the most powerful interest groups in the United States..."

Nobody wants to hear the Mission Statement or a recital of the raison d'être of your Paranoia Peddlers Guild.

Why would you waste key strokes complaining about a data source if you agree with the data, Bugs?

To showcase your extremist prejudices...

That data is available on a wide spectrum of websites...

I found it highly revealing of the depth to which your paranoia and hatred extends, to learn that your data was obtained while you were surfing a website like that...

The post wasn't about the data...

The post was about you, and your extremist perspective, and your thinly-disguised hate-mongering, and the sort of Hate and Conspiracy websites that you haunt...

 

[georgephillip]

Wow. I would not have resorted to such talk in my dealings with you. And certainly not triggered by a clarification that I was objecting to a data-source and not the data itself.

But... now that you've chosen to take that tone... not to worry about alienating Person A or B around here... you're still our Chief Resident Arab Butt-Boy... and our chief source of Arabs-on-American-Soil stand-up propaganda comedy... HBO ought to send-out a talent-scout to check you out...


Nobody wants to hear the Mission Statement or a recital of the raison d'être of your Paranoia Peddlers Guild.

Why would you waste key strokes complaining about a data source if you agree with the data, Bugs?

To showcase your extremist prejudices...

That data is available on a wide spectrum of websites...

I found it highly revealing of the depth to which your paranoia and hatred extends, to learn that your data was obtained while you were surfing a website like that...

The post wasn't about the data...

The post was about you, and your extremist perspective, and your thinly-disguised hate-mongering, and the sort of Hate and Conspiracy websites that you haunt...

In fact, the post was all about the data.
It was the first site that popped up in my search.
You have a habit of slinging subjective terms like "extremist" as if they're carved in centrist stone somewhere. Why don't you display your critical thinking skills and offer some proof my source is in fact "a Hate and Conspiracy website..."?

 

[georgephillip]

Israel does not vote in our congressional elections and even if all American Jews voted as one - an absurd assumption - they would account for less than 3% of any election. So who is voting for these pols who support Israel?

Do you mean the rich pols who gave Bibi fifty standing ovations the last time he spoke before the US Congress? Elected Republicans AND Democrats depend on the richest 1% of their constituents to fund their campaigns and retirements. The richest 1% in the US depend upon the Long War to provide some of the money they donate to elected Republicans AND Democrats; Israel is little more than a forward operating base in that theater. The total number of Jewish votes in the US is immaterial when compared to the amount of money AIPAC can use either for or against any politician seeking national office. Public funding of all US elections would force the Jewish state to negotiate in good faith with Palestinians or vanish from the page of time.

Sounds likea disgusting democratic process, doesn't it? Make you jealous, all that money floating around?

What's democratic about a process that picks winners on the basis of the amount of money floating around?

 

[docmauser1]

What makes Israel worth 20% of US foreign aid when millions of Africans are starving?

Millions of africans, of course! Probably, dreaming about "apartheid" too, but afraid to say so.

 

[Kondor3]

"...In fact, the post was all about the data..."

YOUR post may have been about the data.

MY post was about the source.

"...It was the first site that popped up in my search..."

Given the bile and poison that you routinely spew against the United States and against Israel, I am having difficulty believing that, but that's my problem.

"...You have a habit of slinging subjective terms like 'extremist' as if they're carved in centrist stone somewhere..."

It only seems that way because you see me sling that about often enough in close proximity to you and some of your pro-Muslim colleagues; and deservedly so. I do not engage in such very often outside of that framework.

"...Why don't you display your critical thinking skills and offer some proof my source is in fact 'a Hate and Conspiracy website.'?

Whatever for?

The title of the article: "Wake Up, America, Your Government is Hijacked by Zionists" tells me all I need to know about that kind of freak show.

The website is a largely un-accountable blog tied to a "Wake Up American" clown-show political activism fringe group that represents a veritable ghoulash of quasi-personalities intended to give it some badly-needed -and-missing credibilty. Another non-starter loser camp.

Not surprising, when they crank-out articles like that 'Hijacked by Zionists' happy horseshit.

 

[georgephillip]

"...In fact, the post was all about the data..."

YOUR post may have been about the data.

MY post was about the source.

"...It was the first site that popped up in my search..."

Given the bile and poison that you routinely spew against the United States and against Israel, I am having difficulty believing that, but that's my problem.

"...You have a habit of slinging subjective terms like 'extremist' as if they're carved in centrist stone somewhere..."

It only seems that way because you see me sling that about often enough in close proximity to you and some of your pro-Muslim colleagues; and deservedly so. I do not engage in such very often outside of that framework.

"...Why don't you display your critical thinking skills and offer some proof my source is in fact 'a Hate and Conspiracy website.'?

Whatever for?

The title of the article: "Wake Up, America, Your Government is Hijacked by Zionists" tells me all I need to know about that kind of freak show.

The website is a largely un-accountable blog tied to a "Wake Up American" clown-show political activism fringe group that represents a veritable ghoulash of quasi-personalities intended to give it some badly-needed -and-missing credibilty. Another non-starter loser camp.

Not surprising, when they crank-out articles like that 'Hijacked by Zionists' happy horseshit.

So your argument tells me you're incapable of distinguishing content from context, is that about right?

"'Because the Israel lobby has gradually become one of the most powerful interest groups in the United States, candidates for high office pay close attention to its wishes. The individuals and groups in the United States that make up the lobby care deeply about Israel, and they do not want American politicians to criticize it, even when criticism might be warranted and might even be in Israel’s own interest. Instead, these groups want U.S. leaders to treat Israel as if it were the fifty-first state. Democrats and Republicans alike fear the lobby’s clout. They all know that any politician who challenges its policies stands little chance of becoming president.” – The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, JOHN J. MEARSHEIMER and STEPHEN M. WALT"

Why don't you point out any missing credibility in the above statement of intent, if you can.

Wake Up America!: About

 

[georgephillip]

What makes Israel worth 20% of US foreign aid when millions of Africans are starving?

Millions of africans, of course! Probably, dreaming about "apartheid" too, but afraid to say so.

What part of Africa do you live in, Drivel?

 

[docmauser1]

What makes Israel worth 20% of US foreign aid when millions of Africans are starving?

Millions of africans, of course! Probably, dreaming about "apartheid" too, but afraid to say so.

What part of Africa do you live in, Drivel?

Non sequitur drivel. Typical.