Ethnic cleansing

[TheGreatGatsby]

 

[Phoenall]

The Palis have pissed on DOZENS of opportunities to form a nation.​

No they haven't. The only offers have been for them to cede land.

Of course they have. What was the PLO best known for worldwide? Why were they kicked out of Jordan?
Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?

Please answer those. And explain to me WHEN the Palestinians ever seriously applied themselves to forming a nation..

What you see as "cleansing" -- is just that the world is not gonna wait another 100 yrs for the Palis to mature socio-politically and organize for nationhood. Balls in their court -- for the past 50 years....

Why were they kicked out of Jordan?​

Better question. Why were they in Jordan?

Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?​

The Gaza Bombshell

I've told you several times why they were kicked out of Jordan. Don't you remember? They pissed off the government CONTINUALLY there with their emphasis on violence and resistance instead of nation-building. It was up to Jordan at the time (about 30 years) to implement a Palestinian Homeland out of the TransJordan mandate (WEST BANK and East Jerusalem). Jordan couldn't find rational and responsible leadership to negotiate with. PLO was way too busy hijacking airplanes and shooting up Olympics.. All culminated in the PLO marching on the capitol with commandeered tanks and trying to topple the govt of Jordan.. And Hussein ordering them to leave Jordan.

Had they made a deal with the King of Jordan THEN -- they likely would have had the ENTIRE West Bank and possibly more. But they pissed away that opportunity.

Of course you want to blame the Hamas/Fatah fighting on the US. Must not have been a lot of support because they killed each other with RUSSIAN weapons and equipment (largely). And of course the US would support the PA as it had been constructed when Hamas took a militant stand. That''s all understandable. And the killing and the dissolution of the PA would have happen if the USA did nothing.

You make too many excuses for the Palis,. And refuse to acknowledge the very long chain of mistakes and bad choices that they made. You are clinically co-dependent when it comes to your "caring" about Pali welfare.
What they NEED is recognize that nations are not built or GIVEN on FORCE and RESISTANCE only. That it takes far more dedication and organization and planning than suicidal rock throwing or knifings or amatuer rocket attacks..

While king Hussein was negotiating for peace with Arafat the Palestinians hijacked two commercial airliners & landed them in Ammon. It's called Palestinian mentality.

Didn't realize the relationship between the Pali Black September org that shot up the Munich Olympics. But the PLO named it after the September expulsion of 1000s of Palestinians from Jordan by King Hussein. It was formed to get vengeance against Jordan primarily..

Now THERE is some "ethnic cleansing" for ya. Killing or expelling THOUSANDs of Palis from Jordan and then having the King just wave his hands and turn the claim to the West Bank totally over to Israel. Guy didn't screw around..

And if you notice not a peep out of team Palestine about the fact Jordan murdered more Palestinian civilians in one month than Israel has killed in war for 67 years. As soon as the subject is brought up about arab muslim ethnic cleansing of palestinuans team Palestine deflect and derail the thread because they know they will lose the argument.

 

[Phoenall]

Of course it has EVERYTHING to do with the disposition of the "occupied territories". The Palis have pissed on DOZENS of opportunities to form a nation. And the reason this is STILL an occupation after 60 years is that there is no leadership formed to set down with and negotiate.

Your head is not engaged in solving any Palestinian problems. You have just made this into Israel's problem. When in reality -- the treatment and status of Palestinians in other neighboring countries is not truly any better.

Read my post again and explain to me how none of that matters..

The Palis have pissed on DOZENS of opportunities to form a nation.​

No they haven't. The only offers have been for them to cede land.

Of course they have. What was the PLO best known for worldwide? Why were they kicked out of Jordan?
Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?

Please answer those. And explain to me WHEN the Palestinians ever seriously applied themselves to forming a nation..

What you see as "cleansing" -- is just that the world is not gonna wait another 100 yrs for the Palis to mature socio-politically and organize for nationhood. Balls in their court -- for the past 50 years....

Why were they kicked out of Jordan?​

Better question. Why were they in Jordan?

Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?​

The Gaza Bombshell

I've told you several times why they were kicked out of Jordan. Don't you remember? They pissed off the government CONTINUALLY there with their emphasis on violence and resistance instead of nation-building. It was up to Jordan at the time (about 30 years) to implement a Palestinian Homeland out of the TransJordan mandate (WEST BANK and East Jerusalem). Jordan couldn't find rational and responsible leadership to negotiate with. PLO was way too busy hijacking airplanes and shooting up Olympics.. All culminated in the PLO marching on the capitol with commandeered tanks and trying to topple the govt of Jordan.. And Hussein ordering them to leave Jordan.

Had they made a deal with the King of Jordan THEN -- they likely would have had the ENTIRE West Bank and possibly more. But they pissed away that opportunity.

Of course you want to blame the Hamas/Fatah fighting on the US. Must not have been a lot of support because they killed each other with RUSSIAN weapons and equipment (largely). And of course the US would support the PA as it had been constructed when Hamas took a militant stand. That''s all understandable. And the killing and the dissolution of the PA would have happen if the USA did nothing.

You make too many excuses for the Palis,. And refuse to acknowledge the very long chain of mistakes and bad choices that they made. You are clinically co-dependent when it comes to your "caring" about Pali welfare.
What they NEED is recognize that nations are not built or GIVEN on FORCE and RESISTANCE only. That it takes far more dedication and organization and planning than suicidal rock throwing or knifings or amatuer rocket attacks..

You ducked the question.

No you did as the above shows. Everytime you are put under the spotlight you duck and dive rather than give an intelligent adult reply

 

[Phoenall]

I've told you several times why they were kicked out of Jordan. Don't you remember? They pissed off the government CONTINUALLY there with their emphasis on violence and resistance instead of nation-building. It was up to Jordan at the time (about 30 years) to implement a Palestinian Homeland out of the TransJordan mandate (WEST BANK and East Jerusalem). Jordan couldn't find rational and responsible leadership to negotiate with. PLO was way too busy hijacking airplanes and shooting up Olympics.. All culminated in the PLO marching on the capitol with commandeered tanks and trying to topple the govt of Jordan.. And Hussein ordering them to leave Jordan.

Had they made a deal with the King of Jordan THEN -- they likely would have had the ENTIRE West Bank and possibly more. But they pissed away that opportunity.

Of course you want to blame the Hamas/Fatah fighting on the US. Must not have been a lot of support because they killed each other with RUSSIAN weapons and equipment (largely). And of course the US would support the PA as it had been constructed when Hamas took a militant stand. That''s all understandable. And the killing and the dissolution of the PA would have happen if the USA did nothing.

You make too many excuses for the Palis,. And refuse to acknowledge the very long chain of mistakes and bad choices that they made. You are clinically co-dependent when it comes to your "caring" about Pali welfare.
What they NEED is recognize that nations are not built or GIVEN on FORCE and RESISTANCE only. That it takes far more dedication and organization and planning than suicidal rock throwing or knifings or amatuer rocket attacks..

While king Hussein was negotiating for peace with Arafat the Palestinians hijacked two commercial airliners & landed them in Ammon. It's called Palestinian mentality.

Didn't realize the relationship between the Pali Black September org that shot up the Munich Olympics. But the PLO named it after the September expulsion of 1000s of Palestinians from Jordan by King Hussein. It was formed to get vengeance against Jordan primarily..

Now THERE is some "ethnic cleansing" for ya. Killing or expelling THOUSANDs of Palis from Jordan and then having the King just wave his hands and turn the claim to the West Bank totally over to Israel. Guy didn't screw around..

Praising a leader for killing and ethnic cleansing seems bizarre to me.

It's the duty of every responsible government to protect its citizens from both internal and external threats.

For the King of Jordan to allow a clear and present threat to its citizens to remain was not in the best interest of the Jordanians.

Fawning praise of Islamic terrorists seems bizarre to me.

Your false accusations seem bizarre to me and dangerous.

What false accusations would they be then ?

 

[Phoenall]

Didn't realize the relationship between the Pali Black September org that shot up the Munich Olympics. But the PLO named it after the September expulsion of 1000s of Palestinians from Jordan by King Hussein. It was formed to get vengeance against Jordan primarily..

Now THERE is some "ethnic cleansing" for ya. Killing or expelling THOUSANDs of Palis from Jordan and then having the King just wave his hands and turn the claim to the West Bank totally over to Israel. Guy didn't screw around..

Praising a leader for killing and ethnic cleansing seems bizarre to me.

It's the duty of every responsible government to protect its citizens from both internal and external threats.

For the King of Jordan to allow a clear and present threat to its citizens to remain was not in the best interest of the Jordanians.

Fawning praise of Islamic terrorists seems bizarre to me.

Your false accusations seem bizarre to me and dangerous.

I never falsely accused the Jordanian King of addressing his Pal'istanian terrorist problem with determination and resolve, that's a matter of historical record. It would have been more dangerous for the Jordanians to allow an insidious element to create further bloodshed.

So what do you propose the Israelis should do with the Palestinians it has under its control?

Give them the only ultimatum they can and see what happens. They either agree to live in peace and to negotiate mutual borders or Isreal will take their case to the ICC/ICJ and ask them to make a ruling based on the international laws of 1923 and 1949

 

[Phoenall]

It's the duty of every responsible government to protect its citizens from both internal and external threats.

For the King of Jordan to allow a clear and present threat to its citizens to remain was not in the best interest of the Jordanians.

Fawning praise of Islamic terrorists seems bizarre to me.

Your false accusations seem bizarre to me and dangerous.

I never falsely accused the Jordanian King of addressing his Pal'istanian terrorist problem with determination and resolve, that's a matter of historical record. It would have been more dangerous for the Jordanians to allow an insidious element to create further bloodshed.

So what do you propose the Israelis should do with the Palestinians it has under its control?

Not up to the Israelis really. Takes 2 to tango. Palestinians are in the same 1000 yr old mentality that lost them the West Bank when it was up to Jordan to decide to negotiate with them. Except the longer they take to organize a true "colonial project" (as you put it) --- the smaller the West Bank is gonna become..

Indeed, colonialism and ethnic cleansing at work.

Now all we have to do is continue the fake peace talks until Israel steals the rest of the land.

As the evidence shows there was no colonisation by any world power and this claim is just Palestinian blood libels and propaganda lies. How can the steal what is already legally theirs under two international laws, 1923 and 1949.

 

[Humanity]

Praising a leader for killing and ethnic cleansing seems bizarre to me.

It's the duty of every responsible government to protect its citizens from both internal and external threats.

For the King of Jordan to allow a clear and present threat to its citizens to remain was not in the best interest of the Jordanians.

Fawning praise of Islamic terrorists seems bizarre to me.

Your false accusations seem bizarre to me and dangerous.

I never falsely accused the Jordanian King of addressing his Pal'istanian terrorist problem with determination and resolve, that's a matter of historical record. It would have been more dangerous for the Jordanians to allow an insidious element to create further bloodshed.

So what do you propose the Israelis should do with the Palestinians it has under its control?

Give them the only ultimatum they can and see what happens. They either agree to live in peace and to negotiate mutual borders or Isreal will take their case to the ICC/ICJ and ask them to make a ruling based on the international laws of 1923 and 1949

It would appear that Israel has had quite a few years to take their case to the ICC/ICJ....

Why have they not done that before?

 

[pbel]

Of course they have. What was the PLO best known for worldwide? Why were they kicked out of Jordan?
Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?

Please answer those. And explain to me WHEN the Palestinians ever seriously applied themselves to forming a nation..

What you see as "cleansing" -- is just that the world is not gonna wait another 100 yrs for the Palis to mature socio-politically and organize for nationhood. Balls in their court -- for the past 50 years....

Why were they kicked out of Jordan?​

Better question. Why were they in Jordan?

Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?​

The Gaza Bombshell

I've told you several times why they were kicked out of Jordan. Don't you remember? They pissed off the government CONTINUALLY there with their emphasis on violence and resistance instead of nation-building. It was up to Jordan at the time (about 30 years) to implement a Palestinian Homeland out of the TransJordan mandate (WEST BANK and East Jerusalem). Jordan couldn't find rational and responsible leadership to negotiate with. PLO was way too busy hijacking airplanes and shooting up Olympics.. All culminated in the PLO marching on the capitol with commandeered tanks and trying to topple the govt of Jordan.. And Hussein ordering them to leave Jordan.

Had they made a deal with the King of Jordan THEN -- they likely would have had the ENTIRE West Bank and possibly more. But they pissed away that opportunity.

Of course you want to blame the Hamas/Fatah fighting on the US. Must not have been a lot of support because they killed each other with RUSSIAN weapons and equipment (largely). And of course the US would support the PA as it had been constructed when Hamas took a militant stand. That''s all understandable. And the killing and the dissolution of the PA would have happen if the USA did nothing.

You make too many excuses for the Palis,. And refuse to acknowledge the very long chain of mistakes and bad choices that they made. You are clinically co-dependent when it comes to your "caring" about Pali welfare.
What they NEED is recognize that nations are not built or GIVEN on FORCE and RESISTANCE only. That it takes far more dedication and organization and planning than suicidal rock throwing or knifings or amatuer rocket attacks..

While king Hussein was negotiating for peace with Arafat the Palestinians hijacked two commercial airliners & landed them in Ammon. It's called Palestinian mentality.

Didn't realize the relationship between the Pali Black September org that shot up the Munich Olympics. But the PLO named it after the September expulsion of 1000s of Palestinians from Jordan by King Hussein. It was formed to get vengeance against Jordan primarily..

Now THERE is some "ethnic cleansing" for ya. Killing or expelling THOUSANDs of Palis from Jordan and then having the King just wave his hands and turn the claim to the West Bank totally over to Israel. Guy didn't screw around..

And if you notice not a peep out of team Palestine about the fact Jordan murdered more Palestinian civilians in one month than Israel has killed in war for 67 years. As soon as the subject is brought up about arab muslim ethnic cleansing of palestinuans team Palestine deflect and derail the thread because they know they will lose the argument.

Two Wrongs don't make a Right!

 

[P F Tinmore]

I am starting a new thread base on one of Rocco's posts.

UN Passes Five Resolutions In Favor Of Palestine | Page 3 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

There is no "ethnic Cleansing? What are you an idiot?

Although there is no legal definition of ethnic cleansing, from its widely accepted non-technical definition [23] , it is possible to deduce some common elements. Firstly, what can be considered as a subjective element of ethnic cleansing is the fact that it is systematically carried out with a clear intent to create an ethnically homogeneous area by removing another group of people from their own territory by using force or intimidation or any other method. Secondly, the objective element of ethnic cleansing is that it is perpetrated against a particular group of people, according to their racial, ethnic, national, religious or other characteristics, which involves mass deportations or forceful transfer of people, intimidations by different methods, murder, torture, arbitrary detention, etc.​

Ethnic cleansing is not about numbers. It is about location. It is about moving people out of areas where they are not wanted. Israel does commit the violations listed above.

House demolitions and forced evictions are
among Israel’s most heinous practices in the
Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT). In
2011, a record year of displacement, a total of
622 Palestinian structures were demolished by
Israeli authorities, of which 36% (or 222) were
family homes; the remainder were livelihood-
related (including water storage and agricultural
structures), resulting in 1,094 people displaced,
almost double the number for 2010.

http://icahdusa.org/multimedia/downloads/2012/04/Judaization-of-Palestine.pdf​

Of course similar practices have been carried out in "Israel proper" since 1948 and they continue to today.

So again - the reason that the Palestinians are still homeless in Holy Land after 65 years is not because they've chosen faulty leadership -- not because that leadership became more well known for hijacking Airlines and getting tossed out of Jordan and Lebanon, then for nation-building -- not because when they had a chance to have a real representative govt and statemanship, they chose to war with each and kill each other in the WBank and Gaza -- not because they continue to irritate and attack Israel with ineffective methods for 65 years ---------

But it's all Israel's fault for getting on with life when then there is not a respectable partner to negotiate with on the settlement of the "occupation".. Can't wait forever for that chance to discuss terms. And if you insist on getting Pali kids killed endlessly in futile Intifadas -- instead of becoming Zionists with a passion for a Homeland -- those chances are just gonna slip away and die..

Deflection.

None of that has anything to do with Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

Of course it has EVERYTHING to do with the disposition of the "occupied territories". The Palis have pissed on DOZENS of opportunities to form a nation. And the reason this is STILL an occupation after 60 years is that there is no leadership formed to set down with and negotiate.

Your head is not engaged in solving any Palestinian problems. You have just made this into Israel's problem. When in reality -- the treatment and status of Palestinians in other neighboring countries is not truly any better.

Read my post again and explain to me how none of that matters..

The Palis have pissed on DOZENS of opportunities to form a nation.​

No they haven't. The only offers have been for them to cede land.

What land was that as they lost it when the Ottomans surrendered in 1917. Remember that they were part of the Ottoman empire and fought with the Ottomans against the British. They lost and so they lost the right to the land, leaving them with nothing but shame

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Deflection.

None of that has anything to do with Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

Of course it has EVERYTHING to do with the disposition of the "occupied territories". The Palis have pissed on DOZENS of opportunities to form a nation. And the reason this is STILL an occupation after 60 years is that there is no leadership formed to set down with and negotiate.

Your head is not engaged in solving any Palestinian problems. You have just made this into Israel's problem. When in reality -- the treatment and status of Palestinians in other neighboring countries is not truly any better.

Read my post again and explain to me how none of that matters..

The Palis have pissed on DOZENS of opportunities to form a nation.​

No they haven't. The only offers have been for them to cede land.

Of course they have. What was the PLO best known for worldwide? Why were they kicked out of Jordan?
Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?

Please answer those. And explain to me WHEN the Palestinians ever seriously applied themselves to forming a nation..

What you see as "cleansing" -- is just that the world is not gonna wait another 100 yrs for the Palis to mature socio-politically and organize for nationhood. Balls in their court -- for the past 50 years....

Why were they kicked out of Jordan?​

Better question. Why were they in Jordan?

Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?​

The Gaza Bombshell

Does not answer the questions at all, want to try again ?

Learn to read.

 

[MJB12741]

The Palis have pissed on DOZENS of opportunities to form a nation.​

No they haven't. The only offers have been for them to cede land.

Of course they have. What was the PLO best known for worldwide? Why were they kicked out of Jordan?
Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?

Please answer those. And explain to me WHEN the Palestinians ever seriously applied themselves to forming a nation..

What you see as "cleansing" -- is just that the world is not gonna wait another 100 yrs for the Palis to mature socio-politically and organize for nationhood. Balls in their court -- for the past 50 years....

Why were they kicked out of Jordan?​

Better question. Why were they in Jordan?

Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?​

The Gaza Bombshell

I've told you several times why they were kicked out of Jordan. Don't you remember? They pissed off the government CONTINUALLY there with their emphasis on violence and resistance instead of nation-building. It was up to Jordan at the time (about 30 years) to implement a Palestinian Homeland out of the TransJordan mandate (WEST BANK and East Jerusalem). Jordan couldn't find rational and responsible leadership to negotiate with. PLO was way too busy hijacking airplanes and shooting up Olympics.. All culminated in the PLO marching on the capitol with commandeered tanks and trying to topple the govt of Jordan.. And Hussein ordering them to leave Jordan.

Had they made a deal with the King of Jordan THEN -- they likely would have had the ENTIRE West Bank and possibly more. But they pissed away that opportunity.

Of course you want to blame the Hamas/Fatah fighting on the US. Must not have been a lot of support because they killed each other with RUSSIAN weapons and equipment (largely). And of course the US would support the PA as it had been constructed when Hamas took a militant stand. That''s all understandable. And the killing and the dissolution of the PA would have happen if the USA did nothing.

You make too many excuses for the Palis,. And refuse to acknowledge the very long chain of mistakes and bad choices that they made. You are clinically co-dependent when it comes to your "caring" about Pali welfare.
What they NEED is recognize that nations are not built or GIVEN on FORCE and RESISTANCE only. That it takes far more dedication and organization and planning than suicidal rock throwing or knifings or amatuer rocket attacks..

You ducked the question.

I did not. Never duck ANY question. Now YOU -- are gonna continue deny that the "ethnic cleansing" done by the King of Jordan never happened. And your never gonna realize that had the Palis dealt with Hussein of Jordan -- They could be proud owners today of the ENTIRE West Bank...

Interesting how the Palestinians & their supporters ***** about every Israeli retaliation & yet never a single complaint on Jordan's Black September massacre aoround 20,000 to establish peace from Palestinians. Golly gee, why is that?

 

[Phoenall]

It's the duty of every responsible government to protect its citizens from both internal and external threats.

For the King of Jordan to allow a clear and present threat to its citizens to remain was not in the best interest of the Jordanians.

Fawning praise of Islamic terrorists seems bizarre to me.

Your false accusations seem bizarre to me and dangerous.

I never falsely accused the Jordanian King of addressing his Pal'istanian terrorist problem with determination and resolve, that's a matter of historical record. It would have been more dangerous for the Jordanians to allow an insidious element to create further bloodshed.

So what do you propose the Israelis should do with the Palestinians it has under its control?

Give them the only ultimatum they can and see what happens. They either agree to live in peace and to negotiate mutual borders or Isreal will take their case to the ICC/ICJ and ask them to make a ruling based on the international laws of 1923 and 1949

It would appear that Israel has had quite a few years to take their case to the ICC/ICJ....

Why have they not done that before?

Because they dropped out of that club when the muslims started to tell their LIES. But there is nothing to stop them from getting the US to do it for them.

 

[Phoenall]

Why were they kicked out of Jordan?​

Better question. Why were they in Jordan?

Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?​

The Gaza Bombshell

I've told you several times why they were kicked out of Jordan. Don't you remember? They pissed off the government CONTINUALLY there with their emphasis on violence and resistance instead of nation-building. It was up to Jordan at the time (about 30 years) to implement a Palestinian Homeland out of the TransJordan mandate (WEST BANK and East Jerusalem). Jordan couldn't find rational and responsible leadership to negotiate with. PLO was way too busy hijacking airplanes and shooting up Olympics.. All culminated in the PLO marching on the capitol with commandeered tanks and trying to topple the govt of Jordan.. And Hussein ordering them to leave Jordan.

Had they made a deal with the King of Jordan THEN -- they likely would have had the ENTIRE West Bank and possibly more. But they pissed away that opportunity.

Of course you want to blame the Hamas/Fatah fighting on the US. Must not have been a lot of support because they killed each other with RUSSIAN weapons and equipment (largely). And of course the US would support the PA as it had been constructed when Hamas took a militant stand. That''s all understandable. And the killing and the dissolution of the PA would have happen if the USA did nothing.

You make too many excuses for the Palis,. And refuse to acknowledge the very long chain of mistakes and bad choices that they made. You are clinically co-dependent when it comes to your "caring" about Pali welfare.
What they NEED is recognize that nations are not built or GIVEN on FORCE and RESISTANCE only. That it takes far more dedication and organization and planning than suicidal rock throwing or knifings or amatuer rocket attacks..

While king Hussein was negotiating for peace with Arafat the Palestinians hijacked two commercial airliners & landed them in Ammon. It's called Palestinian mentality.

Didn't realize the relationship between the Pali Black September org that shot up the Munich Olympics. But the PLO named it after the September expulsion of 1000s of Palestinians from Jordan by King Hussein. It was formed to get vengeance against Jordan primarily..

Now THERE is some "ethnic cleansing" for ya. Killing or expelling THOUSANDs of Palis from Jordan and then having the King just wave his hands and turn the claim to the West Bank totally over to Israel. Guy didn't screw around..

And if you notice not a peep out of team Palestine about the fact Jordan murdered more Palestinian civilians in one month than Israel has killed in war for 67 years. As soon as the subject is brought up about arab muslim ethnic cleansing of palestinuans team Palestine deflect and derail the thread because they know they will lose the argument.

Two Wrongs don't make a Right!

Or in this case a muslim massacre has less impact on the Nazi's than the Jews defending themselves. As Al Jazeera says the majority of the dead were terrorists. So why do you bring up the second wrong all the time if you live by the maxim, it should be the first only.

 

[Phoenall]

So again - the reason that the Palestinians are still homeless in Holy Land after 65 years is not because they've chosen faulty leadership -- not because that leadership became more well known for hijacking Airlines and getting tossed out of Jordan and Lebanon, then for nation-building -- not because when they had a chance to have a real representative govt and statemanship, they chose to war with each and kill each other in the WBank and Gaza -- not because they continue to irritate and attack Israel with ineffective methods for 65 years ---------

But it's all Israel's fault for getting on with life when then there is not a respectable partner to negotiate with on the settlement of the "occupation".. Can't wait forever for that chance to discuss terms. And if you insist on getting Pali kids killed endlessly in futile Intifadas -- instead of becoming Zionists with a passion for a Homeland -- those chances are just gonna slip away and die..

Deflection.

None of that has anything to do with Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

Of course it has EVERYTHING to do with the disposition of the "occupied territories". The Palis have pissed on DOZENS of opportunities to form a nation. And the reason this is STILL an occupation after 60 years is that there is no leadership formed to set down with and negotiate.

Your head is not engaged in solving any Palestinian problems. You have just made this into Israel's problem. When in reality -- the treatment and status of Palestinians in other neighboring countries is not truly any better.

Read my post again and explain to me how none of that matters..

The Palis have pissed on DOZENS of opportunities to form a nation.​

No they haven't. The only offers have been for them to cede land.

What land was that as they lost it when the Ottomans surrendered in 1917. Remember that they were part of the Ottoman empire and fought with the Ottomans against the British. They lost and so they lost the right to the land, leaving them with nothing but shame

Link?

Already given many times, they stay the same as they are altered back to their originals every 12 hours.

 

[Phoenall]

Of course it has EVERYTHING to do with the disposition of the "occupied territories". The Palis have pissed on DOZENS of opportunities to form a nation. And the reason this is STILL an occupation after 60 years is that there is no leadership formed to set down with and negotiate.

Your head is not engaged in solving any Palestinian problems. You have just made this into Israel's problem. When in reality -- the treatment and status of Palestinians in other neighboring countries is not truly any better.

Read my post again and explain to me how none of that matters..

The Palis have pissed on DOZENS of opportunities to form a nation.​

No they haven't. The only offers have been for them to cede land.

Of course they have. What was the PLO best known for worldwide? Why were they kicked out of Jordan?
Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?

Please answer those. And explain to me WHEN the Palestinians ever seriously applied themselves to forming a nation..

What you see as "cleansing" -- is just that the world is not gonna wait another 100 yrs for the Palis to mature socio-politically and organize for nationhood. Balls in their court -- for the past 50 years....

Why were they kicked out of Jordan?​

Better question. Why were they in Jordan?

Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?​

The Gaza Bombshell

Does not answer the questions at all, want to try again ?

Learn to read.

I can read and your link just muddies the water even more, so when will you give a proper answer to the questions raised in your own words ?

 

[Indeependent]

It's the duty of every responsible government to protect its citizens from both internal and external threats.

For the King of Jordan to allow a clear and present threat to its citizens to remain was not in the best interest of the Jordanians.

Fawning praise of Islamic terrorists seems bizarre to me.

Your false accusations seem bizarre to me and dangerous.

I never falsely accused the Jordanian King of addressing his Pal'istanian terrorist problem with determination and resolve, that's a matter of historical record. It would have been more dangerous for the Jordanians to allow an insidious element to create further bloodshed.

So what do you propose the Israelis should do with the Palestinians it has under its control?

Give them the only ultimatum they can and see what happens. They either agree to live in peace and to negotiate mutual borders or Isreal will take their case to the ICC/ICJ and ask them to make a ruling based on the international laws of 1923 and 1949

It would appear that Israel has had quite a few years to take their case to the ICC/ICJ....

Why have they not done that before?

Because the Letter of the Law is cruel and Jews are not nearly as cruel as you paint them out to be.

 

[montelatici]

Of course they have. What was the PLO best known for worldwide? Why were they kicked out of Jordan?
Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?

Please answer those. And explain to me WHEN the Palestinians ever seriously applied themselves to forming a nation..

What you see as "cleansing" -- is just that the world is not gonna wait another 100 yrs for the Palis to mature socio-politically and organize for nationhood. Balls in their court -- for the past 50 years....

Why were they kicked out of Jordan?​

Better question. Why were they in Jordan?

Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?​

The Gaza Bombshell

I've told you several times why they were kicked out of Jordan. Don't you remember? They pissed off the government CONTINUALLY there with their emphasis on violence and resistance instead of nation-building. It was up to Jordan at the time (about 30 years) to implement a Palestinian Homeland out of the TransJordan mandate (WEST BANK and East Jerusalem). Jordan couldn't find rational and responsible leadership to negotiate with. PLO was way too busy hijacking airplanes and shooting up Olympics.. All culminated in the PLO marching on the capitol with commandeered tanks and trying to topple the govt of Jordan.. And Hussein ordering them to leave Jordan.

Had they made a deal with the King of Jordan THEN -- they likely would have had the ENTIRE West Bank and possibly more. But they pissed away that opportunity.

Of course you want to blame the Hamas/Fatah fighting on the US. Must not have been a lot of support because they killed each other with RUSSIAN weapons and equipment (largely). And of course the US would support the PA as it had been constructed when Hamas took a militant stand. That''s all understandable. And the killing and the dissolution of the PA would have happen if the USA did nothing.

You make too many excuses for the Palis,. And refuse to acknowledge the very long chain of mistakes and bad choices that they made. You are clinically co-dependent when it comes to your "caring" about Pali welfare.
What they NEED is recognize that nations are not built or GIVEN on FORCE and RESISTANCE only. That it takes far more dedication and organization and planning than suicidal rock throwing or knifings or amatuer rocket attacks..

You ducked the question.

I did not. Never duck ANY question. Now YOU -- are gonna continue deny that the "ethnic cleansing" done by the King of Jordan never happened. And your never gonna realize that had the Palis dealt with Hussein of Jordan -- They could be proud owners today of the ENTIRE West Bank...

Interesting how the Palestinians & their supporters ***** about every Israeli retaliation & yet never a single complaint on Jordan's Black September massacre aoround 20,000 to establish peace from Palestinians. Golly gee, why is that?

Why would the genocidal actions of King Hussein be complained about in the I/P section. Wouldn't it be considered spamming?

 

[Phoenall]

Why were they kicked out of Jordan?​

Better question. Why were they in Jordan?

Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?​

The Gaza Bombshell

I've told you several times why they were kicked out of Jordan. Don't you remember? They pissed off the government CONTINUALLY there with their emphasis on violence and resistance instead of nation-building. It was up to Jordan at the time (about 30 years) to implement a Palestinian Homeland out of the TransJordan mandate (WEST BANK and East Jerusalem). Jordan couldn't find rational and responsible leadership to negotiate with. PLO was way too busy hijacking airplanes and shooting up Olympics.. All culminated in the PLO marching on the capitol with commandeered tanks and trying to topple the govt of Jordan.. And Hussein ordering them to leave Jordan.

Had they made a deal with the King of Jordan THEN -- they likely would have had the ENTIRE West Bank and possibly more. But they pissed away that opportunity.

Of course you want to blame the Hamas/Fatah fighting on the US. Must not have been a lot of support because they killed each other with RUSSIAN weapons and equipment (largely). And of course the US would support the PA as it had been constructed when Hamas took a militant stand. That''s all understandable. And the killing and the dissolution of the PA would have happen if the USA did nothing.

You make too many excuses for the Palis,. And refuse to acknowledge the very long chain of mistakes and bad choices that they made. You are clinically co-dependent when it comes to your "caring" about Pali welfare.
What they NEED is recognize that nations are not built or GIVEN on FORCE and RESISTANCE only. That it takes far more dedication and organization and planning than suicidal rock throwing or knifings or amatuer rocket attacks..

You ducked the question.

I did not. Never duck ANY question. Now YOU -- are gonna continue deny that the "ethnic cleansing" done by the King of Jordan never happened. And your never gonna realize that had the Palis dealt with Hussein of Jordan -- They could be proud owners today of the ENTIRE West Bank...

Interesting how the Palestinians & their supporters ***** about every Israeli retaliation & yet never a single complaint on Jordan's Black September massacre aoround 20,000 to establish peace from Palestinians. Golly gee, why is that?

Why would the genocidal actions of King Hussein be complained about in the I/P section. Wouldn't it be considered spamming?

Isnt bringing up South Africa all the time not the same ?

Now back to topic No it isn't as it was Palestinians that the Palestinians from Jordan ethnically cleansed, so in the remit just of the I/P board. It is because the facts don't suit your Jew hatred and show that you are wrong once again

 

[flacaltenn]

It's the duty of every responsible government to protect its citizens from both internal and external threats.

For the King of Jordan to allow a clear and present threat to its citizens to remain was not in the best interest of the Jordanians.

Fawning praise of Islamic terrorists seems bizarre to me.

Your false accusations seem bizarre to me and dangerous.

I never falsely accused the Jordanian King of addressing his Pal'istanian terrorist problem with determination and resolve, that's a matter of historical record. It would have been more dangerous for the Jordanians to allow an insidious element to create further bloodshed.

So what do you propose the Israelis should do with the Palestinians it has under its control?

Give them the only ultimatum they can and see what happens. They either agree to live in peace and to negotiate mutual borders or Isreal will take their case to the ICC/ICJ and ask them to make a ruling based on the international laws of 1923 and 1949

It would appear that Israel has had quite a few years to take their case to the ICC/ICJ....

Why have they not done that before?

Why were they kicked out of Jordan?​

Better question. Why were they in Jordan?

Why did they fight each other recently for control of the PA?​

The Gaza Bombshell

I've told you several times why they were kicked out of Jordan. Don't you remember? They pissed off the government CONTINUALLY there with their emphasis on violence and resistance instead of nation-building. It was up to Jordan at the time (about 30 years) to implement a Palestinian Homeland out of the TransJordan mandate (WEST BANK and East Jerusalem). Jordan couldn't find rational and responsible leadership to negotiate with. PLO was way too busy hijacking airplanes and shooting up Olympics.. All culminated in the PLO marching on the capitol with commandeered tanks and trying to topple the govt of Jordan.. And Hussein ordering them to leave Jordan.

Had they made a deal with the King of Jordan THEN -- they likely would have had the ENTIRE West Bank and possibly more. But they pissed away that opportunity.

Of course you want to blame the Hamas/Fatah fighting on the US. Must not have been a lot of support because they killed each other with RUSSIAN weapons and equipment (largely). And of course the US would support the PA as it had been constructed when Hamas took a militant stand. That''s all understandable. And the killing and the dissolution of the PA would have happen if the USA did nothing.

You make too many excuses for the Palis,. And refuse to acknowledge the very long chain of mistakes and bad choices that they made. You are clinically co-dependent when it comes to your "caring" about Pali welfare.
What they NEED is recognize that nations are not built or GIVEN on FORCE and RESISTANCE only. That it takes far more dedication and organization and planning than suicidal rock throwing or knifings or amatuer rocket attacks..

You ducked the question.

I did not. Never duck ANY question. Now YOU -- are gonna continue deny that the "ethnic cleansing" done by the King of Jordan never happened. And your never gonna realize that had the Palis dealt with Hussein of Jordan -- They could be proud owners today of the ENTIRE West Bank...

Interesting how the Palestinians & their supporters ***** about every Israeli retaliation & yet never a single complaint on Jordan's Black September massacre aoround 20,000 to establish peace from Palestinians. Golly gee, why is that?

Why would the genocidal actions of King Hussein be complained about in the I/P section. Wouldn't it be considered spamming?

The thread is about alledged ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Considering that a large number were living in the West Bank under Jordanian citizenship when the PLO agitated against that kingdom -- the resultant PURGE of Palis from Jordan is fair discussion -- is it not?

Afterall -- we're largely talking about THE SAME West Bank residents now under Israeli occupation..

 

[P F Tinmore]

Your false accusations seem bizarre to me and dangerous.

I never falsely accused the Jordanian King of addressing his Pal'istanian terrorist problem with determination and resolve, that's a matter of historical record. It would have been more dangerous for the Jordanians to allow an insidious element to create further bloodshed.

So what do you propose the Israelis should do with the Palestinians it has under its control?

Give them the only ultimatum they can and see what happens. They either agree to live in peace and to negotiate mutual borders or Isreal will take their case to the ICC/ICJ and ask them to make a ruling based on the international laws of 1923 and 1949

It would appear that Israel has had quite a few years to take their case to the ICC/ICJ....

Why have they not done that before?

I've told you several times why they were kicked out of Jordan. Don't you remember? They pissed off the government CONTINUALLY there with their emphasis on violence and resistance instead of nation-building. It was up to Jordan at the time (about 30 years) to implement a Palestinian Homeland out of the TransJordan mandate (WEST BANK and East Jerusalem). Jordan couldn't find rational and responsible leadership to negotiate with. PLO was way too busy hijacking airplanes and shooting up Olympics.. All culminated in the PLO marching on the capitol with commandeered tanks and trying to topple the govt of Jordan.. And Hussein ordering them to leave Jordan.

Had they made a deal with the King of Jordan THEN -- they likely would have had the ENTIRE West Bank and possibly more. But they pissed away that opportunity.

Of course you want to blame the Hamas/Fatah fighting on the US. Must not have been a lot of support because they killed each other with RUSSIAN weapons and equipment (largely). And of course the US would support the PA as it had been constructed when Hamas took a militant stand. That''s all understandable. And the killing and the dissolution of the PA would have happen if the USA did nothing.

You make too many excuses for the Palis,. And refuse to acknowledge the very long chain of mistakes and bad choices that they made. You are clinically co-dependent when it comes to your "caring" about Pali welfare.
What they NEED is recognize that nations are not built or GIVEN on FORCE and RESISTANCE only. That it takes far more dedication and organization and planning than suicidal rock throwing or knifings or amatuer rocket attacks..

You ducked the question.

I did not. Never duck ANY question. Now YOU -- are gonna continue deny that the "ethnic cleansing" done by the King of Jordan never happened. And your never gonna realize that had the Palis dealt with Hussein of Jordan -- They could be proud owners today of the ENTIRE West Bank...

Interesting how the Palestinians & their supporters ***** about every Israeli retaliation & yet never a single complaint on Jordan's Black September massacre aoround 20,000 to establish peace from Palestinians. Golly gee, why is that?

Why would the genocidal actions of King Hussein be complained about in the I/P section. Wouldn't it be considered spamming?

The thread is about alledged ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Considering that a large number were living in the West Bank under Jordanian citizenship when the PLO agitated against that kingdom -- the resultant PURGE of Palis from Jordan is fair discussion -- is it not?

Afterall -- we're largely talking about THE SAME West Bank residents now under Israeli occupation..

Of course the question remains: What were Palestinians doing in Jordan?