ENTIRE impeachment thing makes no sense

[jc456]

It is an apt description, because that's exactly what the democrats did in their hounding of Trump. They bounced from "He's icky", to "He colluded", to "Extortion", to "Bribery", and now "Obstruction of Congress". It's reached ludicrous levels. As for impeachment, it certainly needs public support, because it's a very weak case from which to get rid of a president.

Extortion, bribery and abuse of office are different ways to describe similar behavior. Obstruction is obvious.

There’s not really any counter narrative. All Trump has to do is sit back, obstruct any attempts at oversight and say “you can’t prove it”. Sorry, but he’s acting like a thug.

How can one obstruct his own employees? This is a new one.

all trump has to do is testify under oath and bring his cartel with him -

yanno- like Bill Clinton did -

He has to testify to his intent? He released the call transcript. Clinton was caught lying cause of the dress.

why wont trump testify under oath

Clinton did - lied - got caught - and IMPECHED

Trumps turn to put up or STFU

nope, not gonna happen. I highly doubt the articles get through.

 

[Auld Phart]

according to at least one Democrat, it's not going to end til Trump is out of office.

"WASHINGTON — Rep. Al Green, who has been on a “mission” to remove Donald Trump from office, is not optimistic the articles of impeachment unveiled by House Democrats on Tuesday will succeed in a Senate trial, but the Texas Democrat says he still thinks the push to force the president out of the White House won’t end there.

“If the Senate does not convict, that does not mean that it's over,” Green said in an interview with Yahoo News shortly after the articles were unveiled.

“It simply means that for these two charges the president has not been convicted and he is still in office, which means that he is still subject to impeachment for other charges,” he said."

Democratic congressman says 'it will not end if the Senate does not convict'

 

[colfax_m]

Extortion, bribery and abuse of office are different ways to describe similar behavior. Obstruction is obvious.

There’s not really any counter narrative. All Trump has to do is sit back, obstruct any attempts at oversight and say “you can’t prove it”. Sorry, but he’s acting like a thug.

How can one obstruct his own employees? This is a new one.

all trump has to do is testify under oath and bring his cartel with him -

yanno- like Bill Clinton did -

You never know, President Trump may well testify under oath before the US Senate.

But he hasn't had that opportunity yet, the articles of impeachment haven't been voted on yet.

If Trump testifies, that would be amazing. He refused to testify for Mueller, I imagine he still knows he’s a hand grenade in the witness box.

Actually, he did testify for Mueller, answering a long written interrogatory.

That’s not what Mueller asked for and was seen to be unsatisfactory.

 

[DOTR]

Of course they want to undo the election. But a lot of this is also about stopping Trump from picking the next SC Justice when Ginsberg finally falls to her reward.

In the end who cares? They oppose him and want to defeat him. This was always in the cards.

 

[Polishprince]

according to at least one Democrat, it's not going to end til Trump is out of office.

"WASHINGTON — Rep. Al Green, who has been on a “mission” to remove Donald Trump from office, is not optimistic the articles of impeachment unveiled by House Democrats on Tuesday will succeed in a Senate trial, but the Texas Democrat says he still thinks the push to force the president out of the White House won’t end there.

“If the Senate does not convict, that does not mean that it's over,” Green said in an interview with Yahoo News shortly after the articles were unveiled.

“It simply means that for these two charges the president has not been convicted and he is still in office, which means that he is still subject to impeachment for other charges,” he said."

Democratic congressman says 'it will not end if the Senate does not convict'

I'm sure that's Al Green's thought on the matter.

But if President Trump is acquitted, the banner headlines and ads on TV will all proclaim TRUMP INNOCENT!! WITCH HUNT DEFEATED!!

And that will be that.

No Democrat will be able to claim purity

 

[jc456]

Extortion, bribery and abuse of office are different ways to describe similar behavior. Obstruction is obvious.

There’s not really any counter narrative. All Trump has to do is sit back, obstruct any attempts at oversight and say “you can’t prove it”. Sorry, but he’s acting like a thug.

How can one obstruct his own employees? This is a new one.

all trump has to do is testify under oath and bring his cartel with him -

yanno- like Bill Clinton did -

You never know, President Trump may well testify under oath before the US Senate.

But he hasn't had that opportunity yet, the articles of impeachment haven't been voted on yet.

If Trump testifies, that would be amazing. He refused to testify for Mueller, I imagine he still knows he’s a hand grenade in the witness box.

Actually, he did testify for Mueller, answering a long written interrogatory.

that fking idiot is an idiot. hahahahhahaha

 

[Polishprince]

How can one obstruct his own employees? This is a new one.

all trump has to do is testify under oath and bring his cartel with him -

yanno- like Bill Clinton did -

You never know, President Trump may well testify under oath before the US Senate.

But he hasn't had that opportunity yet, the articles of impeachment haven't been voted on yet.

If Trump testifies, that would be amazing. He refused to testify for Mueller, I imagine he still knows he’s a hand grenade in the witness box.

Actually, he did testify for Mueller, answering a long written interrogatory.

That’s not what Mueller asked for and was seen to be unsatisfactory.

Actually, it was totally satisfactory. Mr. Mueller got the information he needed to complete his report and finish up his work- long before I would have expected him to do so.

 

[toobfreak]

1. Couldn’t impeach him until he did something impeachable.

2. Abuse of office is close enough.

3. The trade deal with get a few days of coverage maybe. This takes away the talking point that the House is too focused on impeachment to do anything else.

4. Appeasing the base is enough. Obama, Schiff, Biden. None of them are going to testify in the Senate.

5. It’s a fair point. Seems to be why they’re trying to get it done so quickly.

He's being impeached for winning the election. That's the bottom line.

You guys do what you want. The American people aren't going to support this over something so petty and you may very well walk this man right back into the White House another four years when you could have defeated him by simply acting like mature adults.

Just remember that whatever you do to the Republicans they can turn right around and do it back to you at the next opportunity.

And yet they waited for years after he won to impeach him. Well, that’s because Trump has to give them something to impeach him for.

You don’t think the American people care if the president is trying to cheat in the election?

Just what ROCK did the democrats find you under to run sock for them?

• Where was your interest in 2012 when Obumma used the IRS to sway the election in his favor cheating the election?
• Where was your interest when the DNC rigged super-delegates so Bernie couldn't win nomination cheating the election?
• Where was your interest when the FBI dropped prosecuting Hillary for admitted felonies to keep her in the race cheating the election?
  
• Where was your interest when Donna Brazille and CNN slipped Hillary debate questions cheating the election?
• And where was your interest when the DNC and others ran the Steele Dossier and lied to the FISA court trying to cheat the election?

Meantime, we still don't know the facts behind Biden, Ukraine and his son because the democrats won't even look at them, again cheating the election.

 

[colfax_m]

1. Couldn’t impeach him until he did something impeachable.

2. Abuse of office is close enough.

3. The trade deal with get a few days of coverage maybe. This takes away the talking point that the House is too focused on impeachment to do anything else.

4. Appeasing the base is enough. Obama, Schiff, Biden. None of them are going to testify in the Senate.

5. It’s a fair point. Seems to be why they’re trying to get it done so quickly.

He's being impeached for winning the election. That's the bottom line.

You guys do what you want. The American people aren't going to support this over something so petty and you may very well walk this man right back into the White House another four years when you could have defeated him by simply acting like mature adults.

Just remember that whatever you do to the Republicans they can turn right around and do it back to you at the next opportunity.

And yet they waited for years after he won to impeach him. Well, that’s because Trump has to give them something to impeach him for.

You don’t think the American people care if the president is trying to cheat in the election?

Just what ROCK did the democrats find you under to run sock for them?

• Where was your interest in 2012 when Obumma used the IRS to sway the election in his favor cheating the election?
• Where was your interest when the DNC rigged super-delegates so Bernie couldn't win nomination cheating the election?
• Where was your interest when the FBI dropped prosecuting Hillary for admitted felonies to keep her in the race cheating the election?
  
• Where was your interest when Donna Brazille and CNN slipped Hillary debate questions cheating the election?
• And where was your interest when the DNC and others ran the Steele Dossier and lied to the FISA court trying to cheat the election?

Meantime, we still don't know the facts behind Biden, Ukraine and his son because the democrats won't even look at them, again cheating the election.

Just one right wing meme after another

1. Obama didn’t have any involvement.
2. Rigged superdelegates? Maybe you don’t know what superdelegates are. They’re not rigged. Bernie lost the vote anyway.
3. admitted felonies? Good lord. No one admitted felonies and they dropped prosecution because there was no case.
4. That wasn’t a debate. It was one question in a town hall during the primary. Trump cheated at his debates by having his staff talk to him on stage at breaks, I don’t see anyone whining about that.
5. Why don’t you tell me what impact the FISA court had on the election. It was a secret warrant in a secret investigation that we didn’t hear about until months after the election. There’s a problem with causality here.

We know a lot of facts about Ukraine, you just don’t want to admit it. The prosecutor was corrupt. Our ambassador recommended his removal. Biden helped get the point across. End of story.

 

[colfax_m]

all trump has to do is testify under oath and bring his cartel with him -

yanno- like Bill Clinton did -

You never know, President Trump may well testify under oath before the US Senate.

But he hasn't had that opportunity yet, the articles of impeachment haven't been voted on yet.

If Trump testifies, that would be amazing. He refused to testify for Mueller, I imagine he still knows he’s a hand grenade in the witness box.

Actually, he did testify for Mueller, answering a long written interrogatory.

That’s not what Mueller asked for and was seen to be unsatisfactory.

Actually, it was totally satisfactory. Mr. Mueller got the information he needed to complete his report and finish up his work- long before I would have expected him to do so.

Not according to Mueller.

 

[Polishprince]

You never know, President Trump may well testify under oath before the US Senate.

But he hasn't had that opportunity yet, the articles of impeachment haven't been voted on yet.

If Trump testifies, that would be amazing. He refused to testify for Mueller, I imagine he still knows he’s a hand grenade in the witness box.

Actually, he did testify for Mueller, answering a long written interrogatory.

That’s not what Mueller asked for and was seen to be unsatisfactory.

Actually, it was totally satisfactory. Mr. Mueller got the information he needed to complete his report and finish up his work- long before I would have expected him to do so.

Not according to Mueller.

Mueller wasn't able to trick the President or leak and manipulate his words, so Mueller's goal of getting rid of Trump wasn't going to be fulfilled. But the Mule did get the information he said he was interested in receiving.

 

[Polishprince]

1. Couldn’t impeach him until he did something impeachable.

2. Abuse of office is close enough.

3. The trade deal with get a few days of coverage maybe. This takes away the talking point that the House is too focused on impeachment to do anything else.

4. Appeasing the base is enough. Obama, Schiff, Biden. None of them are going to testify in the Senate.

5. It’s a fair point. Seems to be why they’re trying to get it done so quickly.

He's being impeached for winning the election. That's the bottom line.

You guys do what you want. The American people aren't going to support this over something so petty and you may very well walk this man right back into the White House another four years when you could have defeated him by simply acting like mature adults.

Just remember that whatever you do to the Republicans they can turn right around and do it back to you at the next opportunity.

And yet they waited for years after he won to impeach him. Well, that’s because Trump has to give them something to impeach him for.

You don’t think the American people care if the president is trying to cheat in the election?

Just what ROCK did the democrats find you under to run sock for them?

• Where was your interest in 2012 when Obumma used the IRS to sway the election in his favor cheating the election?
• Where was your interest when the DNC rigged super-delegates so Bernie couldn't win nomination cheating the election?
• Where was your interest when the FBI dropped prosecuting Hillary for admitted felonies to keep her in the race cheating the election?
  
• Where was your interest when Donna Brazille and CNN slipped Hillary debate questions cheating the election?
• And where was your interest when the DNC and others ran the Steele Dossier and lied to the FISA court trying to cheat the election?

Meantime, we still don't know the facts behind Biden, Ukraine and his son because the democrats won't even look at them, again cheating the election.

Just one right wing meme after another

1. Obama didn’t have any involvement.
2. Rigged superdelegates? Maybe you don’t know what superdelegates are. They’re not rigged. Bernie lost the vote anyway.
3. admitted felonies? Good lord. No one admitted felonies and they dropped prosecution because there was no case.
4. That wasn’t a debate. It was one question in a town hall during the primary. Trump cheated at his debates by having his staff talk to him on stage at breaks, I don’t see anyone whining about that.
5. Why don’t you tell me what impact the FISA court had on the election. It was a secret warrant in a secret investigation that we didn’t hear about until months after the election. There’s a problem with causality here.

We know a lot of facts about Ukraine, you just don’t want to admit it. The prosecutor was corrupt. Our ambassador recommended his removal. Biden helped get the point across. End of story.

Assuming the prosecutor was corrupt, how could the man get proper Due Process in 6 hours?

 

[toobfreak]

1. Couldn’t impeach him until he did something impeachable.

2. Abuse of office is close enough.

3. The trade deal with get a few days of coverage maybe. This takes away the talking point that the House is too focused on impeachment to do anything else.

4. Appeasing the base is enough. Obama, Schiff, Biden. None of them are going to testify in the Senate.

5. It’s a fair point. Seems to be why they’re trying to get it done so quickly.

He's being impeached for winning the election. That's the bottom line.

You guys do what you want. The American people aren't going to support this over something so petty and you may very well walk this man right back into the White House another four years when you could have defeated him by simply acting like mature adults.

Just remember that whatever you do to the Republicans they can turn right around and do it back to you at the next opportunity.

And yet they waited for years after he won to impeach him. Well, that’s because Trump has to give them something to impeach him for.

You don’t think the American people care if the president is trying to cheat in the election?

Just what ROCK did the democrats find you under to run sock for them?

• Where was your interest in 2012 when Obumma used the IRS to sway the election in his favor cheating the election?
• Where was your interest when the DNC rigged super-delegates so Bernie couldn't win nomination cheating the election?
• Where was your interest when the FBI dropped prosecuting Hillary for admitted felonies to keep her in the race cheating the election?
  
• Where was your interest when Donna Brazille and CNN slipped Hillary debate questions cheating the election?
• And where was your interest when the DNC and others ran the Steele Dossier and lied to the FISA court trying to cheat the election?

Meantime, we still don't know the facts behind Biden, Ukraine and his son because the democrats won't even look at them, again cheating the election.

Just one right wing meme after another

Sorry Coldfacts, lying about, running from and hiding from the truth can only hurt YOU in the end.

1. Obama didn’t have any involvement.

Sorry, no. Already been proven otherwise, unless you want to admit that Barry was clueless about what half his people were all doing, including his rearranging intelligence rules his last day in office to screw Trump up!

2. Rigged superdelegates? Maybe you don’t know what superdelegates are. They’re not rigged. Bernie lost the vote anyway.

Sorry, no, already proven fact that the DNC skewed their delegates so that Bernie never stood a chance.

3. admitted felonies? Good lord. No one admitted felonies and they dropped prosecution because there was no case.

Sorry to bust your lies again, but the head of the FBI listed them off, admitted that any normal person would go to prison (and does) for any ONE of them, then despite not having any prosecutorial powers, claimed no prosecutor would take the case even as prosecutors all across the country said it was a dream case for them!

4. That wasn’t a debate. It was one question in a town hall during the primary. Trump cheated at his debates by having his staff talk to him on stage at breaks, I don’t see anyone whining about that.

It was at the three national debates. Hillary cheated.

5. Why don’t you tell me what impact the FISA court had on the election. It was a secret warrant in a secret investigation that we didn’t hear about until months after the election. There’s a problem with causality here.

The FBI lied to get the warrant through. Had they been told the truth, there never would have been any warrant. See relevant thread.

We know a lot of facts about Ukraine, you just don’t want to admit it. The prosecutor was corrupt. Our ambassador recommended his removal. Biden helped get the point across. End of story.

Not end of story. Sorry, fool. Only thing wrong with the prosecutor is he was getting too close to Biden. Biden abused his power and gave them 6 hours to comply or he was walking with our aid. THE VERY THING THEY ACCUSE TRUMP OF. Now we are going to take this to the Senate where we are going to open Biden up like a can of worms, spill his guts out on the stage, grill him like a fish and expose him and all the democrats involved in the coverup for the corruption and coup this has been. Next election Joe will be running for will be with angel wings and a harp from behind bars while Donald goes on to win reelection next year.

YOU KNOW IT.

I KNOW IT.

Most of America knows it or will figure it out. Hard to hide a carp that smells as bad as the fishy story the Dems have contrived.

It is only a matter of time now till it happens.

THANK YOU NANCY!

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

By doing what? Legally taking things to court? What's your hurry, really want something done before the election?

Well, since Trump is trying to corrupt the election, I’d say it’s pretty important we get this figured out by then.

What’s wrong with demanding transparency?

He is? And you have proof of that? Because intent is nearly impossible to prove. 2016 was mentioned several times. 2020 never. Not illegal to investigate what happened in 2016. Trump claims that was the intent. How do you prove him wrong? How do you prove intent?

Biden was also mentioned. Perhaps you missed that bit.

You prove intent in a lot of ways. I’ve been describing them here.

Biden regarding 2016 when he was VP. Perhaps you missed that.

Who just happens to be the front runner in the current election. Do you think that Trump just so happens to want an investigation into Biden at the same time he’s running for president? Kind of a big coincidence. Isn’t it?

Maybe or maybe not but you cannot prove intent is my point. And it’s not like he did it on a secret call. He did it on an open call and asked them to work with Barr. Zelinsky when asked said there was not coercion. We can sit here and guess together but there is not enough to impeach but there is enough to let the voters decide in 2020.

 

[jc456]

1. Couldn’t impeach him until he did something impeachable.

2. Abuse of office is close enough.

3. The trade deal with get a few days of coverage maybe. This takes away the talking point that the House is too focused on impeachment to do anything else.

4. Appeasing the base is enough. Obama, Schiff, Biden. None of them are going to testify in the Senate.

5. It’s a fair point. Seems to be why they’re trying to get it done so quickly.

He's being impeached for winning the election. That's the bottom line.

You guys do what you want. The American people aren't going to support this over something so petty and you may very well walk this man right back into the White House another four years when you could have defeated him by simply acting like mature adults.

Just remember that whatever you do to the Republicans they can turn right around and do it back to you at the next opportunity.

And yet they waited for years after he won to impeach him. Well, that’s because Trump has to give them something to impeach him for.

You don’t think the American people care if the president is trying to cheat in the election?

Just what ROCK did the democrats find you under to run sock for them?

• Where was your interest in 2012 when Obumma used the IRS to sway the election in his favor cheating the election?
• Where was your interest when the DNC rigged super-delegates so Bernie couldn't win nomination cheating the election?
• Where was your interest when the FBI dropped prosecuting Hillary for admitted felonies to keep her in the race cheating the election?
  
• Where was your interest when Donna Brazille and CNN slipped Hillary debate questions cheating the election?
• And where was your interest when the DNC and others ran the Steele Dossier and lied to the FISA court trying to cheat the election?

Meantime, we still don't know the facts behind Biden, Ukraine and his son because the democrats won't even look at them, again cheating the election.

Just one right wing meme after another

1. Obama didn’t have any involvement.
2. Rigged superdelegates? Maybe you don’t know what superdelegates are. They’re not rigged. Bernie lost the vote anyway.
3. admitted felonies? Good lord. No one admitted felonies and they dropped prosecution because there was no case.
4. That wasn’t a debate. It was one question in a town hall during the primary. Trump cheated at his debates by having his staff talk to him on stage at breaks, I don’t see anyone whining about that.
5. Why don’t you tell me what impact the FISA court had on the election. It was a secret warrant in a secret investigation that we didn’t hear about until months after the election. There’s a problem with causality here.

We know a lot of facts about Ukraine, you just don’t want to admit it. The prosecutor was corrupt. Our ambassador recommended his removal. Biden helped get the point across. End of story.

Oh shut up. Take care of your country and stay out of mine

 

[Preacher]

Just curious as to who the leftists are going to blame when Trump wins reelection by a LARGER number than he did in 2016 AND the leftists lose the house? Is it gonna be RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA again? Lol.