Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

[RetiredGySgt]

A large percentage of commissions from the ranks, non-USN, are for valor and oddball cases like a friend of mine who put in for demotion to enlisted in order to become a PJ in the Air Force way back when officers couldn't be SAR ground forces. But an off topic question since chiefs of staff tend to beat general staffs and smaller forces like the coasties and marines are better run what is the hang-up in getting to better organized force, budget constraints?

Maybe in the Chair Force, but I have a relatively revealing story about that. The Chair Force has too many officers. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians does not work well. When I was in the Navy, my girlfriend's brother was an Air Force Communications Officer. He had a degree in electrical engineering and was one of the smartest people I have ever met. I once asked him to describe his duties. The longer he talked, the more I laughed. He described his duties to me as being the exact same thing that we expect of a Navy Radioman Seaman (E-3). He was a Captain.

Congress in the 80's tried to rein in Generals and cut their number. Before the bill passed the Air Force changed all base commanders from Colonel to General to save slots.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Good. The military should have removed the officer core a LONG damn time ago. It is an antiquated concept.

People should progress because of merit, not because they belong to the right club. Considering that a degree has become a requirement to become a SNCO, there really is no difference from the upper enlisted ranks and the officer core other than the upper enlisted ranks had to put their time in.

First, you should realize that it is spelled "corps", not "core".

.

First sign of a fake is the Spell Correction Nazi.

First sign or an idiot is someone talking about an "officer core".

Would that be anything like an apple core?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

How about someone to pilot the mars space ship?

No Human or living thing can go to Mars at this time. The various types of Radiation in deep space will kill then in weeks. This was first noticed during the missions to the moon. just 3 days there and 3 back wasn't enough to threaten lives. But they experienced the radiation and particles never the less.

Wrong thread.

Be quiet. The Adults are talking.

I love how you can't seem to stay on topic. Does your employer know about these difficulties?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Good. The military should have removed the officer core a LONG damn time ago. It is an antiquated concept.

People should progress because of merit, not because they belong to the right club. Considering that a degree has become a requirement to become a SNCO, there really is no difference from the upper enlisted ranks and the officer core other than the upper enlisted ranks had to put their time in.

First, you should realize that it is spelled "corps", not "core".

.

First sign of a fake is the Spell Correction Nazi.

First sign or an idiot is someone talking about an "officer core".

Would that be anything like an apple core?

You been bagged more than once. How does it feel to be a rotten apple.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Good. The military should have removed the officer core a LONG damn time ago. It is an antiquated concept.

People should progress because of merit, not because they belong to the right club. Considering that a degree has become a requirement to become a SNCO, there really is no difference from the upper enlisted ranks and the officer core other than the upper enlisted ranks had to put their time in.

First, you should realize that it is spelled "corps", not "core".

.

First sign of a fake is the Spell Correction Nazi.

First sign or an idiot is someone talking about an "officer core".

Would that be anything like an apple core?

You been bagged more than once. How does it feel to be a rotten apple.

I am sorry that you never had the opportunity to be even a "wannabe". I guess you just have to suck up being a "never was".

Education would have solved that for most people.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

How about someone to pilot the mars space ship?

No Human or living thing can go to Mars at this time. The various types of Radiation in deep space will kill then in weeks. This was first noticed during the missions to the moon. just 3 days there and 3 back wasn't enough to threaten lives. But they experienced the radiation and particles never the less.

Wrong thread.

Be quiet. The Adults are talking.

I love how you can't seem to stay on topic. Does your employer know about these difficulties?

How about someone to pilot the mars space ship?

No Human or living thing can go to Mars at this time. The various types of Radiation in deep space will kill then in weeks. This was first noticed during the missions to the moon. just 3 days there and 3 back wasn't enough to threaten lives. But they experienced the radiation and particles never the less.

Wrong thread.

Be quiet. The Adults are talking.

I love how you can't seem to stay on topic. Does your employer know about these difficulties?

More proof that you ain't what you claim to be. Go ahead, turn me in to my employer. You can contact DFAS and the Social Security and tell them all about it. That should give them one hell of a laugh.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Good. The military should have removed the officer core a LONG damn time ago. It is an antiquated concept.

People should progress because of merit, not because they belong to the right club. Considering that a degree has become a requirement to become a SNCO, there really is no difference from the upper enlisted ranks and the officer core other than the upper enlisted ranks had to put their time in.

First, you should realize that it is spelled "corps", not "core".

.

First sign of a fake is the Spell Correction Nazi.

First sign or an idiot is someone talking about an "officer core".

Would that be anything like an apple core?

You been bagged more than once. How does it feel to be a rotten apple.

I am sorry that you never had the opportunity to be even a "wannabe". I guess you just have to suck up being a "never was".

Education would have solved that for most people.

I am a hasbeen, get it right for once in your life.

Now, run off to your room and do your homework.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

First, you should realize that it is spelled "corps", not "core".

.

First sign of a fake is the Spell Correction Nazi.

First sign or an idiot is someone talking about an "officer core".

Would that be anything like an apple core?

You been bagged more than once. How does it feel to be a rotten apple.

I am sorry that you never had the opportunity to be even a "wannabe". I guess you just have to suck up being a "never was".

Education would have solved that for most people.

I am a hasbeen, get it right for once in your life.

Now, run off to your room and do your homework.

I just would like to know where all your bitterness comes from. You seem to want to spout hatred for the sake of spouting hatred.

Did your Mommy not give you enough attention as a child or did Daddy run off with his secretary?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

How about someone to pilot the mars space ship?

No Human or living thing can go to Mars at this time. The various types of Radiation in deep space will kill then in weeks. This was first noticed during the missions to the moon. just 3 days there and 3 back wasn't enough to threaten lives. But they experienced the radiation and particles never the less.

Wrong thread.

Be quiet. The Adults are talking.

I love how you can't seem to stay on topic. Does your employer know about these difficulties?

How about someone to pilot the mars space ship?

No Human or living thing can go to Mars at this time. The various types of Radiation in deep space will kill then in weeks. This was first noticed during the missions to the moon. just 3 days there and 3 back wasn't enough to threaten lives. But they experienced the radiation and particles never the less.

Wrong thread.

Be quiet. The Adults are talking.

I love how you can't seem to stay on topic. Does your employer know about these difficulties?

More proof that you ain't what you claim to be. Go ahead, turn me in to my employer. You can contact DFAS and the Social Security and tell them all about it. That should give them one hell of a laugh.

Couldn't keep a job huh?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

No Human or living thing can go to Mars at this time. The various types of Radiation in deep space will kill then in weeks. This was first noticed during the missions to the moon. just 3 days there and 3 back wasn't enough to threaten lives. But they experienced the radiation and particles never the less.

Wrong thread.

Be quiet. The Adults are talking.

I love how you can't seem to stay on topic. Does your employer know about these difficulties?

No Human or living thing can go to Mars at this time. The various types of Radiation in deep space will kill then in weeks. This was first noticed during the missions to the moon. just 3 days there and 3 back wasn't enough to threaten lives. But they experienced the radiation and particles never the less.

Wrong thread.

Be quiet. The Adults are talking.

I love how you can't seem to stay on topic. Does your employer know about these difficulties?

More proof that you ain't what you claim to be. Go ahead, turn me in to my employer. You can contact DFAS and the Social Security and tell them all about it. That should give them one hell of a laugh.

Couldn't keep a job huh?

You have no idea what DFAS is I see. Another point in your fake resume. Now it's time for you to do a Google Search and then claim you knew what it was all along, there General.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

First sign of a fake is the Spell Correction Nazi.

First sign or an idiot is someone talking about an "officer core".

Would that be anything like an apple core?

You been bagged more than once. How does it feel to be a rotten apple.

I am sorry that you never had the opportunity to be even a "wannabe". I guess you just have to suck up being a "never was".

Education would have solved that for most people.

I am a hasbeen, get it right for once in your life.

Now, run off to your room and do your homework.

I just would like to know where all your bitterness comes from. You seem to want to spout hatred for the sake of spouting hatred.

Did your Mommy not give you enough attention as a child or did Daddy run off with his secretary?

It appears that you are NOT in favor of Enlisted Flyers. I noticed that your response to that one was very bitter. Since the Colleges are turning out people that don't want to fly in the Military, the Air Force has to do something. Even if it means turning the clock back to the AAF days and have Flying Sgts. Outside of the Navy with it's Line Officer, the other branches require all Officers to be college grads. a BS in Basket Weaving counts. Are you aware that about half of the enlisted in the AF is either working towards a college degree or already has it? But most have something that won't enable them to be commissioned.

Nice shot there General. My Mother died of Cancer after years of suffering from it in 2002.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Wrong thread.

Be quiet. The Adults are talking.

I love how you can't seem to stay on topic. Does your employer know about these difficulties?

Wrong thread.

Be quiet. The Adults are talking.

I love how you can't seem to stay on topic. Does your employer know about these difficulties?

More proof that you ain't what you claim to be. Go ahead, turn me in to my employer. You can contact DFAS and the Social Security and tell them all about it. That should give them one hell of a laugh.

Couldn't keep a job huh?

You have no idea what DFAS is I see. Another point in your fake resume. Now it's time for you to do a Google Search and then claim you knew what it was all along, there General.

Of course I know what DFAS is! I didn't think you cared.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

First sign or an idiot is someone talking about an "officer core".

Would that be anything like an apple core?

You been bagged more than once. How does it feel to be a rotten apple.

I am sorry that you never had the opportunity to be even a "wannabe". I guess you just have to suck up being a "never was".

Education would have solved that for most people.

I am a hasbeen, get it right for once in your life.

Now, run off to your room and do your homework.

I just would like to know where all your bitterness comes from. You seem to want to spout hatred for the sake of spouting hatred.

Did your Mommy not give you enough attention as a child or did Daddy run off with his secretary?

It appears that you are NOT in favor of Enlisted Flyers. I noticed that your response to that one was very bitter. Since the Colleges are turning out people that don't want to fly in the Military, the Air Force has to do something. Even if it means turning the clock back to the AAF days and have Flying Sgts. Outside of the Navy with it's Line Officer, the other branches require all Officers to be college grads. a BS in Basket Weaving counts. Are you aware that about half of the enlisted in the AF is either working towards a college degree or already has it? But most have something that won't enable them to be commissioned.

Nice shot there General. My Mother died of Cancer after years of suffering from it in 2002.

Where did I say that? I objected to someone making remarks that there were no differences in the officer and enlisted ranks.

You don't don't know what a line officer is in the Navy, and Army officers are not required to be college graduates, hence it's huge number of warrant officers.

In regards to your mother, I am sorry for your loss. My mother passed away last year.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You been bagged more than once. How does it feel to be a rotten apple.

I am sorry that you never had the opportunity to be even a "wannabe". I guess you just have to suck up being a "never was".

Education would have solved that for most people.

I am a hasbeen, get it right for once in your life.

Now, run off to your room and do your homework.

I just would like to know where all your bitterness comes from. You seem to want to spout hatred for the sake of spouting hatred.

Did your Mommy not give you enough attention as a child or did Daddy run off with his secretary?

It appears that you are NOT in favor of Enlisted Flyers. I noticed that your response to that one was very bitter. Since the Colleges are turning out people that don't want to fly in the Military, the Air Force has to do something. Even if it means turning the clock back to the AAF days and have Flying Sgts. Outside of the Navy with it's Line Officer, the other branches require all Officers to be college grads. a BS in Basket Weaving counts. Are you aware that about half of the enlisted in the AF is either working towards a college degree or already has it? But most have something that won't enable them to be commissioned.

Nice shot there General. My Mother died of Cancer after years of suffering from it in 2002.

Where did I say that? I objected to someone making remarks that there were no differences in the officer and enlisted ranks.

You don't don't know what a line officer is in the Navy, and Army officers are not required to be college graduates, hence it's huge number of warrant officers.

In regards to your mother, I am sorry for your loss. My mother passed away last year.

Newsflash: WOs are not commissioned. They are neither officer nor enlisted. When I retired, I was offered a WO slot in the Guards.Not as a flyer but as a manager for the Motor Pool.The last WO in the AF retired in 1971. The AF had already created the Super Sgt ranks.

Yes., Google is your friend.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I am sorry that you never had the opportunity to be even a "wannabe". I guess you just have to suck up being a "never was".

Education would have solved that for most people.

I am a hasbeen, get it right for once in your life.

Now, run off to your room and do your homework.

I just would like to know where all your bitterness comes from. You seem to want to spout hatred for the sake of spouting hatred.

Did your Mommy not give you enough attention as a child or did Daddy run off with his secretary?

It appears that you are NOT in favor of Enlisted Flyers. I noticed that your response to that one was very bitter. Since the Colleges are turning out people that don't want to fly in the Military, the Air Force has to do something. Even if it means turning the clock back to the AAF days and have Flying Sgts. Outside of the Navy with it's Line Officer, the other branches require all Officers to be college grads. a BS in Basket Weaving counts. Are you aware that about half of the enlisted in the AF is either working towards a college degree or already has it? But most have something that won't enable them to be commissioned.

Nice shot there General. My Mother died of Cancer after years of suffering from it in 2002.

Where did I say that? I objected to someone making remarks that there were no differences in the officer and enlisted ranks.

You don't don't know what a line officer is in the Navy, and Army officers are not required to be college graduates, hence it's huge number of warrant officers.

In regards to your mother, I am sorry for your loss. My mother passed away last year.

Newsflash: WOs are not commissioned. They are neither officer nor enlisted. When I retired, I was offered a WO slot in the Guards.Not as a flyer but as a manager for the Motor Pool.The last WO in the AF retired in 1971. The AF had already created the Super Sgt ranks.

Yes., Google is your friend.

Where did I say they were? You seem to enjoy putting words in other people's mouth!

You have some serious reading deficiencies.

WTF are Super Sgt ranks?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I am a hasbeen, get it right for once in your life.

Now, run off to your room and do your homework.

I just would like to know where all your bitterness comes from. You seem to want to spout hatred for the sake of spouting hatred.

Did your Mommy not give you enough attention as a child or did Daddy run off with his secretary?

It appears that you are NOT in favor of Enlisted Flyers. I noticed that your response to that one was very bitter. Since the Colleges are turning out people that don't want to fly in the Military, the Air Force has to do something. Even if it means turning the clock back to the AAF days and have Flying Sgts. Outside of the Navy with it's Line Officer, the other branches require all Officers to be college grads. a BS in Basket Weaving counts. Are you aware that about half of the enlisted in the AF is either working towards a college degree or already has it? But most have something that won't enable them to be commissioned.

Nice shot there General. My Mother died of Cancer after years of suffering from it in 2002.

Where did I say that? I objected to someone making remarks that there were no differences in the officer and enlisted ranks.

You don't don't know what a line officer is in the Navy, and Army officers are not required to be college graduates, hence it's huge number of warrant officers.

In regards to your mother, I am sorry for your loss. My mother passed away last year.

Newsflash: WOs are not commissioned. They are neither officer nor enlisted. When I retired, I was offered a WO slot in the Guards.Not as a flyer but as a manager for the Motor Pool.The last WO in the AF retired in 1971. The AF had already created the Super Sgt ranks.

Yes., Google is your friend.

Where did I say they were? You seem to enjoy putting words in other people's mouth!

You have some serious reading deficiencies.

WTF are Super Sgt ranks?

I used a term that was used in the AF in the late 60s and early 70s when the Super Sgt was created and the WO was quietly allowed to just disappear. Had you been something other than a 2 year bilge rate you would know that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I just would like to know where all your bitterness comes from. You seem to want to spout hatred for the sake of spouting hatred.

Did your Mommy not give you enough attention as a child or did Daddy run off with his secretary?

It appears that you are NOT in favor of Enlisted Flyers. I noticed that your response to that one was very bitter. Since the Colleges are turning out people that don't want to fly in the Military, the Air Force has to do something. Even if it means turning the clock back to the AAF days and have Flying Sgts. Outside of the Navy with it's Line Officer, the other branches require all Officers to be college grads. a BS in Basket Weaving counts. Are you aware that about half of the enlisted in the AF is either working towards a college degree or already has it? But most have something that won't enable them to be commissioned.

Nice shot there General. My Mother died of Cancer after years of suffering from it in 2002.

Where did I say that? I objected to someone making remarks that there were no differences in the officer and enlisted ranks.

You don't don't know what a line officer is in the Navy, and Army officers are not required to be college graduates, hence it's huge number of warrant officers.

In regards to your mother, I am sorry for your loss. My mother passed away last year.

Newsflash: WOs are not commissioned. They are neither officer nor enlisted. When I retired, I was offered a WO slot in the Guards.Not as a flyer but as a manager for the Motor Pool.The last WO in the AF retired in 1971. The AF had already created the Super Sgt ranks.

Yes., Google is your friend.

Where did I say they were? You seem to enjoy putting words in other people's mouth!

You have some serious reading deficiencies.

WTF are Super Sgt ranks?

I used a term that was used in the AF in the late 60s and early 70s when the Super Sgt was created and the WO was quietly allowed to just disappear. Had you been something other than a 2 year bilge rate you would know that.

Listen up old timer, in 1970, I was 10 years old. I am now 57 and a 3-time grandfather. Your post was the first time I had ever read "Super Sgt" in my lifetime.

BTW, "Super Sergeant" is a video game, and apparently you are one of the few people who know anything else by that name.

Just FYI, I was a nuclear field electronics technician, training to be a reactor operator. Bilge rate? Not quite there Great-grandpa!

 

[bodecea]

Good. The military should have removed the officer core a LONG damn time ago. It is an antiquated concept.

People should progress because of merit, not because they belong to the right club. Considering that a degree has become a requirement to become a SNCO, there really is no difference from the upper enlisted ranks and the officer core other than the upper enlisted ranks had to put their time in.

"officer core"?

 

[rightwinger]

I hope it works out

During WWII, there were quite an abundance of "Flying Sergeants" The AF was the first to require all pilots to be college grads and be commisioned. Today, there are quite a few Enlisted that are not only college grads but civilian pilots as well. With the shortage of pilots, this may fill the gap. In the way back machine, we used to fly C-130s over the Pacific and Atlantic. During that flight, there was generally a poker game in the back. I got my time sitting in the front. But since I was not a civilian pilot, I took my turn as the flight Engineer. The Copilot was a SSgt. The Nav was the regular Nav. He called out a course change and jumped out his seat when an arm came back to the auto pilot wheel with only 2 stripes on it. That 2 striper was not only a Mechanic, he was qualified on multi engined civilian birds including jets.

Agree

If they are qualified!
Why not?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

It appears that you are NOT in favor of Enlisted Flyers. I noticed that your response to that one was very bitter. Since the Colleges are turning out people that don't want to fly in the Military, the Air Force has to do something. Even if it means turning the clock back to the AAF days and have Flying Sgts. Outside of the Navy with it's Line Officer, the other branches require all Officers to be college grads. a BS in Basket Weaving counts. Are you aware that about half of the enlisted in the AF is either working towards a college degree or already has it? But most have something that won't enable them to be commissioned.

Nice shot there General. My Mother died of Cancer after years of suffering from it in 2002.

Where did I say that? I objected to someone making remarks that there were no differences in the officer and enlisted ranks.

You don't don't know what a line officer is in the Navy, and Army officers are not required to be college graduates, hence it's huge number of warrant officers.

In regards to your mother, I am sorry for your loss. My mother passed away last year.

Newsflash: WOs are not commissioned. They are neither officer nor enlisted. When I retired, I was offered a WO slot in the Guards.Not as a flyer but as a manager for the Motor Pool.The last WO in the AF retired in 1971. The AF had already created the Super Sgt ranks.

Yes., Google is your friend.

Where did I say they were? You seem to enjoy putting words in other people's mouth!

You have some serious reading deficiencies.

WTF are Super Sgt ranks?

I used a term that was used in the AF in the late 60s and early 70s when the Super Sgt was created and the WO was quietly allowed to just disappear. Had you been something other than a 2 year bilge rate you would know that.

Listen up old timer, in 1970, I was 10 years old. I am now 57 and a 3-time grandfather. Your post was the first time I had ever read "Super Sgt" in my lifetime.

BTW, "Super Sergeant" is a video game, and apparently you are one of the few people who know anything else by that name.

Just FYI, I was a nuclear field electronics technician, training to be a reactor operator. Bilge rate? Not quite there Great-grandpa!

Make you a deal. You treat me with respect and I will treat you with respect. It's a two way street.