Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

[Daryl Hunt]

I hope it works out

During WWII, there were quite an abundance of "Flying Sergeants" The AF was the first to require all pilots to be college grads and be commisioned. Today, there are quite a few Enlisted that are not only college grads but civilian pilots as well. With the shortage of pilots, this may fill the gap. In the way back machine, we used to fly C-130s over the Pacific and Atlantic. During that flight, there was generally a poker game in the back. I got my time sitting in the front. But since I was not a civilian pilot, I took my turn as the flight Engineer. The Copilot was a SSgt. The Nav was the regular Nav. He called out a course change and jumped out his seat when an arm came back to the auto pilot wheel with only 2 stripes on it. That 2 striper was not only a Mechanic, he was qualified on multi engined civilian birds including jets.

Agree

If they are qualified!
Why not?

For the stuff we pulled in the early 70s and back, they give us prison time now. The days of the TacAir is long gone. It's too bad. It was some of the most fun I have had in my life and I got to go visit places I would never had had the opportunity to do otherwise. I got on TacAir in the last few days. The Comradre that was present was never duplicated.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

 

[william the wie]

He's a self admitted Nuke bubblehead and they are the geeks de tutti geeks and they do get promoted rapidly.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Good. The military should have removed the officer core a LONG damn time ago. It is an antiquated concept.

People should progress because of merit, not because they belong to the right club. Considering that a degree has become a requirement to become a SNCO, there really is no difference from the upper enlisted ranks and the officer core other than the upper enlisted ranks had to put their time in.

"officer core"?

His spelling is better than if he had typed Ossifer Corpse.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I just would like to know where all your bitterness comes from. You seem to want to spout hatred for the sake of spouting hatred.

Did your Mommy not give you enough attention as a child or did Daddy run off with his secretary?

It appears that you are NOT in favor of Enlisted Flyers. I noticed that your response to that one was very bitter. Since the Colleges are turning out people that don't want to fly in the Military, the Air Force has to do something. Even if it means turning the clock back to the AAF days and have Flying Sgts. Outside of the Navy with it's Line Officer, the other branches require all Officers to be college grads. a BS in Basket Weaving counts. Are you aware that about half of the enlisted in the AF is either working towards a college degree or already has it? But most have something that won't enable them to be commissioned.

Nice shot there General. My Mother died of Cancer after years of suffering from it in 2002.

Where did I say that? I objected to someone making remarks that there were no differences in the officer and enlisted ranks.

You don't don't know what a line officer is in the Navy, and Army officers are not required to be college graduates, hence it's huge number of warrant officers.

In regards to your mother, I am sorry for your loss. My mother passed away last year.

Newsflash: WOs are not commissioned. They are neither officer nor enlisted. When I retired, I was offered a WO slot in the Guards.Not as a flyer but as a manager for the Motor Pool.The last WO in the AF retired in 1971. The AF had already created the Super Sgt ranks.

Yes., Google is your friend.

Where did I say they were? You seem to enjoy putting words in other people's mouth!

You have some serious reading deficiencies.

WTF are Super Sgt ranks?

I used a term that was used in the AF in the late 60s and early 70s when the Super Sgt was created and the WO was quietly allowed to just disappear. Had you been something other than a 2 year bilge rate you would know that.

ya cause other services would know an internal name for air force Sgts retard.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

He's a self admitted Nuke bubblehead and they are the geeks de tutti geeks and they do get promoted rapidly.

You are baiting me. I already promised I would play nice with him if he plays nice with me.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

It appears that you are NOT in favor of Enlisted Flyers. I noticed that your response to that one was very bitter. Since the Colleges are turning out people that don't want to fly in the Military, the Air Force has to do something. Even if it means turning the clock back to the AAF days and have Flying Sgts. Outside of the Navy with it's Line Officer, the other branches require all Officers to be college grads. a BS in Basket Weaving counts. Are you aware that about half of the enlisted in the AF is either working towards a college degree or already has it? But most have something that won't enable them to be commissioned.

Nice shot there General. My Mother died of Cancer after years of suffering from it in 2002.

Where did I say that? I objected to someone making remarks that there were no differences in the officer and enlisted ranks.

You don't don't know what a line officer is in the Navy, and Army officers are not required to be college graduates, hence it's huge number of warrant officers.

In regards to your mother, I am sorry for your loss. My mother passed away last year.

Newsflash: WOs are not commissioned. They are neither officer nor enlisted. When I retired, I was offered a WO slot in the Guards.Not as a flyer but as a manager for the Motor Pool.The last WO in the AF retired in 1971. The AF had already created the Super Sgt ranks.

Yes., Google is your friend.

Where did I say they were? You seem to enjoy putting words in other people's mouth!

You have some serious reading deficiencies.

WTF are Super Sgt ranks?

I used a term that was used in the AF in the late 60s and early 70s when the Super Sgt was created and the WO was quietly allowed to just disappear. Had you been something other than a 2 year bilge rate you would know that.

ya cause other services would know an internal name for air force Sgts retard.

Let's do a test. I knew what it meant. Others do know what it means. A brief history search, you would have known what it was. I would call you a retard but then I would have to publicly apologize to all the Retards in the World.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

 

[william the wie]

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

Butter bars with zero experience are better? What service, if any, were you in?

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

There are just too many restrictions to become an Officer in USAF. Even if you are qualified (and I knew some that were multi engined jet pilot qualified) you may not be considered. It's a real bear to go from Enlisted to Officer with enough time left to be considered to be a pilot.

As I stated, Cargo Birds can probably be taught in Civilian courses. And so can Choppers. It's done all the time. A College degree is not necessary to attend those schools and get your licenses. But I do see a problem of Bomber Pilots and Fighter Pilots because that takes years and millions to get that pilot qualified.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

Butter bars with zero experience are better? What service, if any, were you in?

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

Everyone has to gain experience.

The point here is, how many people have experience carrying nuclear weapons around with them?

Er.... none, except those who have been trained to do it.

The point here is that to be a MODERN DAY pilot in the USAF you need more than just piloting skills. You need decision making skills, you need to show you have the capacity for higher level thought.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

There are just too many restrictions to become an Officer in USAF. Even if you are qualified (and I knew some that were multi engined jet pilot qualified) you may not be considered. It's a real bear to go from Enlisted to Officer with enough time left to be considered to be a pilot.

As I stated, Cargo Birds can probably be taught in Civilian courses. And so can Choppers. It's done all the time. A College degree is not necessary to attend those schools and get your licenses. But I do see a problem of Bomber Pilots and Fighter Pilots because that takes years and millions to get that pilot qualified.

Some people can fly well, but can't do the decision making well. Some people aren't cut out for flying a plane with nukes on it into enemy territory and making the right decision in a split second even if they can fly a plane well.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

Butter bars with zero experience are better? What service, if any, were you in?

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

Everyone has to gain experience.

The point here is, how many people have experience carrying nuclear weapons around with them?

Er.... none, except those who have been trained to do it.

The point here is that to be a MODERN DAY pilot in the USAF you need more than just piloting skills. You need decision making skills, you need to show you have the capacity for higher level thought.

There is a time limit to make the switch from enlisted of officer. Going to night school, not taking a full load with disruptions throughout your early career, you may not make the 32 year old cutoff. Yes, I know that can be waived to 35 for some reasons but it probably wouldn't in this case. Not everyone that can be completely qualified is born with a silver spoon in the mouth. Some are born with a rusty nail up their wazoo.

 

[frigidweirdo]

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

Butter bars with zero experience are better? What service, if any, were you in?

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

Everyone has to gain experience.

The point here is, how many people have experience carrying nuclear weapons around with them?

Er.... none, except those who have been trained to do it.

The point here is that to be a MODERN DAY pilot in the USAF you need more than just piloting skills. You need decision making skills, you need to show you have the capacity for higher level thought.

There is a time limit to make the switch from enlisted of officer. Going to night school, not taking a full load with disruptions throughout your early career, you may not make the 32 year old cutoff. Yes, I know that can be waived to 35 for some reasons but it probably wouldn't in this case. Not everyone that can be completely qualified is born with a silver spoon in the mouth. Some are born with a rusty nail up their wazoo.

Well, now you're pointing to other issues. Education in the US and the like. These problems are killing the US slowly and no one seems to care.

However imagine this. The Harrier which the US Navy flew and the RAF, took 8 years to train to fly in combat. 8 years. Now how old is the oldest pilot. Imagine you became and officer at 35, then you went straight to Harriers, you'd be 43 years old before you were combat ready, then they'd want to get at least another 8 years out of you, which is 51 years old, quite old for flying around at high G and being shot at. I don't know how old the oldest combat pilots are, but I wouldn't have thought they'd get up to 50.

Silver spoons and whatnot, it's a US problem, the RAF didn't have to deal with that before because people got education free, and then affordable, but now in the UK it's like $15,000 a year, but the RAF will cover costs for that if you agree to join the RAF afterwards.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Where did I say that? I objected to someone making remarks that there were no differences in the officer and enlisted ranks.

You don't don't know what a line officer is in the Navy, and Army officers are not required to be college graduates, hence it's huge number of warrant officers.

In regards to your mother, I am sorry for your loss. My mother passed away last year.

Newsflash: WOs are not commissioned. They are neither officer nor enlisted. When I retired, I was offered a WO slot in the Guards.Not as a flyer but as a manager for the Motor Pool.The last WO in the AF retired in 1971. The AF had already created the Super Sgt ranks.

Yes., Google is your friend.

Where did I say they were? You seem to enjoy putting words in other people's mouth!

You have some serious reading deficiencies.

WTF are Super Sgt ranks?

I used a term that was used in the AF in the late 60s and early 70s when the Super Sgt was created and the WO was quietly allowed to just disappear. Had you been something other than a 2 year bilge rate you would know that.

ya cause other services would know an internal name for air force Sgts retard.

Let's do a test. I knew what it meant. Others do know what it means. A brief history search, you would have known what it was. I would call you a retard but then I would have to publicly apologize to all the Retards in the World.

I spent 16 years in the Marine Corps 6 months in the army and 9 months in the National Guard had no idea what you were talking about and i spent 4 years of my MC career delivering crypto gear to the airforce.

 

[GHook93]

How about someone to pilot the mars space ship?

How about instead of science rocks, you call yourself dumb as rocks


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[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Where did I say that? I objected to someone making remarks that there were no differences in the officer and enlisted ranks.

You don't don't know what a line officer is in the Navy, and Army officers are not required to be college graduates, hence it's huge number of warrant officers.

In regards to your mother, I am sorry for your loss. My mother passed away last year.

Newsflash: WOs are not commissioned. They are neither officer nor enlisted. When I retired, I was offered a WO slot in the Guards.Not as a flyer but as a manager for the Motor Pool.The last WO in the AF retired in 1971. The AF had already created the Super Sgt ranks.

Yes., Google is your friend.

Where did I say they were? You seem to enjoy putting words in other people's mouth!

You have some serious reading deficiencies.

WTF are Super Sgt ranks?

I used a term that was used in the AF in the late 60s and early 70s when the Super Sgt was created and the WO was quietly allowed to just disappear. Had you been something other than a 2 year bilge rate you would know that.

Listen up old timer, in 1970, I was 10 years old. I am now 57 and a 3-time grandfather. Your post was the first time I had ever read "Super Sgt" in my lifetime.

BTW, "Super Sergeant" is a video game, and apparently you are one of the few people who know anything else by that name.

Just FYI, I was a nuclear field electronics technician, training to be a reactor operator. Bilge rate? Not quite there Great-grandpa!

Make you a deal. You treat me with respect and I will treat you with respect. It's a two way street.

It's about time!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

He's a self admitted Nuke bubblehead and they are the geeks de tutti geeks and they do get promoted rapidly.

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Why not just make them Warrant officers like the Army?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

Butter bars with zero experience are better? What service, if any, were you in?

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his c

Enlisted combat pilots? The Air Force is launching a test that could lead to that.

The Air Force is launching a new pilot training program that will include enlisted airmen — and could eventually lead to them flying combat aircraft.

Maj. Gen. Timothy Leahy, commander of the Second Air Force, said in a Nov. 30 email to his commanders that 15 officers and 5 enlisted airmen will be picked for the six-month pilot training program.

“Enlisted volunteers will be pioneers in innovating Air Force aviator recruitment, selection, and training processes by demonstrating the potential of non-college graduates to succeed in a rigorous pilot training environment,” Leahy wrote. “This program will provide data to [Air
Education and Training Command commander Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast] on the potential for enlisted members to train to fly modern combat aircraft.”

One of the reasons to have officers as pilots is that you want people who can make the right decisions, especially with xpensive equipment and potentially using nuclear weapons.

If a person is qualified Rank really doesn't come into play. Besides, I am sure that there are thousands of Enlisted Troops that can qualify as Cargo Plane Pilots, Navs and Copilots and do a bangup job. I might question if they could be qualified as a Bomber Pilot (nukes) or Fighter Pilots though. There are just too many years and millions invested in those two.

Actually it does.

If you can become an officer, it shows you have the mental capacity to make such complex decision. If you can't become an officer, are you really up for making those decisions? Probably not.

Having cowboys who can fly a plane really well but then go make some real fucking stupid decision with nuclear weapons, when you can choose the BEST because lots of people want to be fighter pilots, it doesn't make sense to not choose the best.

There are just too many restrictions to become an Officer in USAF. Even if you are qualified (and I knew some that were multi engined jet pilot qualified) you may not be considered. It's a real bear to go from Enlisted to Officer with enough time left to be considered to be a pilot.

As I stated, Cargo Birds can probably be taught in Civilian courses. And so can Choppers. It's done all the time. A College degree is not necessary to attend those schools and get your licenses. But I do see a problem of Bomber Pilots and Fighter Pilots because that takes years and millions to get that pilot qualified.

You did not know that all Air Force helicopter pilots are already trained by the Army?