End of the Beginning or Beginning of the End for Shinzo Abe?

[Disir]

But, they currently aren't escalating; the US is.

Flying a non-stealth, turboprop sea-control plane over open ocean is "escalating"????

THIS is the plane in question:

Getting information on China's militarizing of the area is NOT escalation, China's militarizing the area is the escalation.

The article you linked could have been written in Beijing.

It is to China. It's a tit for tat between China and the US right now and the ability to rope in as many other folks as possible. Japan is one. They aren't flying by with banners saying, "just wanted to say hi".

Screw what China thinks. The Islands are disputed, and the US does not recognize their claim, and are exercising freedom of navigation, with a ocean surveillance aircraft. Again, China makes the claims, China bases military craft in the area, and the US is "escalating???"

We can't just say screw what China says. I mean we could but then we just go to war and stop screwing around.

The rest of the world recognizes this as escalating tensions. Looking for a pretext for war.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/704e7a1e-ff6d-11e4-84b2-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3gXDGu1wL

Again, gutting a constitution by way of passing 11 pieces of legislation that benefits the US is exactly what the Japanese papers are reporting.

yes, we can when they are in the wrong. Let them make the first act. We are supporting our traditional allies, including Taiwan and the Philippines. If Japan wants to take more of a role in the region and other parties are OK with it, Including South Korea, then let them.

So basically you want the rest of the world to reward China for being assholes and a bully?

Diplomacy unless you want another unilateral move which will not be supported by the international community. Sanctions work both ways. There is a deep hunt for justification when it appears that the issue has more to do with "American interests". I say skip the crap and go to war. No proxy wars. Let's just do it and get it over with.

 

[martybegan]

Flying a non-stealth, turboprop sea-control plane over open ocean is "escalating"????

THIS is the plane in question:

Getting information on China's militarizing of the area is NOT escalation, China's militarizing the area is the escalation.

The article you linked could have been written in Beijing.

It is to China. It's a tit for tat between China and the US right now and the ability to rope in as many other folks as possible. Japan is one. They aren't flying by with banners saying, "just wanted to say hi".

Screw what China thinks. The Islands are disputed, and the US does not recognize their claim, and are exercising freedom of navigation, with a ocean surveillance aircraft. Again, China makes the claims, China bases military craft in the area, and the US is "escalating???"

We can't just say screw what China says. I mean we could but then we just go to war and stop screwing around.

The rest of the world recognizes this as escalating tensions. Looking for a pretext for war.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/704e7a1e-ff6d-11e4-84b2-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3gXDGu1wL

Again, gutting a constitution by way of passing 11 pieces of legislation that benefits the US is exactly what the Japanese papers are reporting.

yes, we can when they are in the wrong. Let them make the first act. We are supporting our traditional allies, including Taiwan and the Philippines. If Japan wants to take more of a role in the region and other parties are OK with it, Including South Korea, then let them.

So basically you want the rest of the world to reward China for being assholes and a bully?

Diplomacy unless you want another unilateral move which will not be supported by the international community. Sanctions work both ways. There is a deep hunt for justification when it appears that the issue has more to do with "American interests". I say skip the crap and go to war. No proxy wars. Let's just do it and get it over with.

Diplomacy has to be backed up with strength and resolve. China can bitch all it want's about escalation, in fact it works for them because people like you buy it hook, line and sinker.

 

[Disir]

It is to China. It's a tit for tat between China and the US right now and the ability to rope in as many other folks as possible. Japan is one. They aren't flying by with banners saying, "just wanted to say hi".

Screw what China thinks. The Islands are disputed, and the US does not recognize their claim, and are exercising freedom of navigation, with a ocean surveillance aircraft. Again, China makes the claims, China bases military craft in the area, and the US is "escalating???"

We can't just say screw what China says. I mean we could but then we just go to war and stop screwing around.

The rest of the world recognizes this as escalating tensions. Looking for a pretext for war.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/704e7a1e-ff6d-11e4-84b2-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3gXDGu1wL

Again, gutting a constitution by way of passing 11 pieces of legislation that benefits the US is exactly what the Japanese papers are reporting.

yes, we can when they are in the wrong. Let them make the first act. We are supporting our traditional allies, including Taiwan and the Philippines. If Japan wants to take more of a role in the region and other parties are OK with it, Including South Korea, then let them.

So basically you want the rest of the world to reward China for being assholes and a bully?

Diplomacy unless you want another unilateral move which will not be supported by the international community. Sanctions work both ways. There is a deep hunt for justification when it appears that the issue has more to do with "American interests". I say skip the crap and go to war. No proxy wars. Let's just do it and get it over with.

Diplomacy has to be backed up with strength and resolve. China can bitch all it want's about escalation, in fact it works for them because people like you buy it hook, line and sinker.

The reality is that there are heavy ramifications. Long term strategy demands that all of the possible ramifications are explored.

Even so, gutting a constitution for what is clearly perceived as simply to benefit the US and it's interests cannot be ignored.

 

[martybegan]

Screw what China thinks. The Islands are disputed, and the US does not recognize their claim, and are exercising freedom of navigation, with a ocean surveillance aircraft. Again, China makes the claims, China bases military craft in the area, and the US is "escalating???"

We can't just say screw what China says. I mean we could but then we just go to war and stop screwing around.

The rest of the world recognizes this as escalating tensions. Looking for a pretext for war.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/704e7a1e-ff6d-11e4-84b2-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3gXDGu1wL

Again, gutting a constitution by way of passing 11 pieces of legislation that benefits the US is exactly what the Japanese papers are reporting.

yes, we can when they are in the wrong. Let them make the first act. We are supporting our traditional allies, including Taiwan and the Philippines. If Japan wants to take more of a role in the region and other parties are OK with it, Including South Korea, then let them.

So basically you want the rest of the world to reward China for being assholes and a bully?

Diplomacy unless you want another unilateral move which will not be supported by the international community. Sanctions work both ways. There is a deep hunt for justification when it appears that the issue has more to do with "American interests". I say skip the crap and go to war. No proxy wars. Let's just do it and get it over with.

Diplomacy has to be backed up with strength and resolve. China can bitch all it want's about escalation, in fact it works for them because people like you buy it hook, line and sinker.

The reality is that there are heavy ramifications. Long term strategy demands that all of the possible ramifications are explored.

Even so, gutting a constitution for what is clearly perceived as simply to benefit the US and it's interests cannot be ignored.

Is a militant and arrogant China, that gets what it wants by force or the threat of force in the best interest of Japan?

 

[Disir]

We can't just say screw what China says. I mean we could but then we just go to war and stop screwing around.

The rest of the world recognizes this as escalating tensions. Looking for a pretext for war.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/704e7a1e-ff6d-11e4-84b2-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3gXDGu1wL

Again, gutting a constitution by way of passing 11 pieces of legislation that benefits the US is exactly what the Japanese papers are reporting.

yes, we can when they are in the wrong. Let them make the first act. We are supporting our traditional allies, including Taiwan and the Philippines. If Japan wants to take more of a role in the region and other parties are OK with it, Including South Korea, then let them.

So basically you want the rest of the world to reward China for being assholes and a bully?

Diplomacy unless you want another unilateral move which will not be supported by the international community. Sanctions work both ways. There is a deep hunt for justification when it appears that the issue has more to do with "American interests". I say skip the crap and go to war. No proxy wars. Let's just do it and get it over with.

Diplomacy has to be backed up with strength and resolve. China can bitch all it want's about escalation, in fact it works for them because people like you buy it hook, line and sinker.

The reality is that there are heavy ramifications. Long term strategy demands that all of the possible ramifications are explored.

Even so, gutting a constitution for what is clearly perceived as simply to benefit the US and it's interests cannot be ignored.

Is a militant and arrogant China, that gets what it wants by force or the threat of force in the best interest of Japan?

Is the only sovereign nation the US?

 

[frigidweirdo]

You have a problem with a nation-state deciding to be pacifist and/or neutral?

I have no problem with that at all. They just shouldn't come whining to me when they get overrun by less enlightened types.

Japan has been getting over on us for decades. And there is a lot about the Japanese people and culture I like. But they are enjoying their "pacifism' because we have been protecting them for 70 years.

They need to man up and hold up their end of the log if they want to play lumberjack.

They do have a military you know, it's just not called a military. It's called a defense force.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe, Abe gutted their constitution and pushed through legislation that most of the people do not agree with.

Then they have the option of throwing him out if they don't like it. But they shouldn't do that under the impression that we will keep spending ourselves into bankruptcy to protect them.

Time for Japan to put on their big-boy pants.

 

[ThirdTerm]

The approval rating of the Abe administration plummeted to 36% after the new national security law was passed and low approval ratings usually spell the end of a Japanese prime minister. However, the will of the people is usually not represented in Japanese politics unlike other Western democracies and Abe is likely to continue to serve as the prime minister for the next five years or so. Since the end of the second world war, Japan has maintained the military alliance with the US, which was initially imposed on Japan. But Japan's post-war pacifism significantly weakened the country as a military power and it cannot even defend itself from Chinese aggression without American help. Many people are worried that the Japanese military could be dragged into an unjust war by the new national security law, which allows the Japanese military to go to Iraq or Syria and fight with the US military, if the prime minister gives the green light. The South Korean military got deeply involved in the Vietnam War in the 1960s and committed unspeakable atrocities against the Vietnamese people.

The Bình Tai Massacre was a massacre perpetrated by South Korean Forces on 9 October 1966 of 168 citizens in Binh Tai village in South Vietnam.[1][3][4] It may be related to the Diên Niên - Phước Bình massacre.[5] The Hankyoreh Sinmun investigated war crimes in Vietnam and revealed other atrocities.[6] Colonel Kim Ki-tae, former commander of the Seventh Company, 2nd Marine Brigade of the ROK Marines,[7] confessed to Hankyoreh that on 9 October 1966 South Korean troops set fire to the Binh Tai villagers’ homes and shot the villagers who fled the burning buildings.[1]

 

[Unkotare]

Even so, gutting a constitution for what is clearly perceived as simply to benefit the US and it's interests cannot be ignored.

You keep repeating this "gutting" comment, but to what other than Article 9 are you referring? And where is the support for this "clearly" and "simply" claim? It's a lot more complicated than that.

 

[Unkotare]

... However, the will of the people is usually not represented in Japanese politics unlike other Western democracies...

Upon what do you base this comment?