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Wow.... Speaking of "cop out"....
Guess what? I know, personally, more than a few (from professional experience). Some choose to "cop out" and play the victim. Others pick themselves up, dust themselves off, and say "I screwed up, but I'm going to do better." Don't give me that shit about "very little resources" and "struggling to get by". If they don't want to be a victim, they LEARN where the resources are and STRUGGLE to make a BETTER life for their child. The WORK for it so they no longer NEED OTHERS to assume THEIR responsibility.
You DID listen to Obama's speech last Father's Day, didn't you?
Thats nice. And why do you want to punish the kids for their parents failing to take "personal responsibility". And, by the way, sometimes the struggle of trying to take personal responsibility (i.e. taking 3 jobs) is why the kid ends up not knowing shit. Too busy putting food on th e table to teach their kids.
Spare me the "taking 3 jobs" crap. If a struggling single parent (we were talking about unmarrieds here) took three jobs, not only would they be non-functional themselves and be out of work because of it, Family Services would take the kid(s) away for endangering the welfare of a minor.
And you also, conveniently, glossed over the (above) point that kids today have more access (themselves) to information than ever before.
I didn't start any strawmen, just stating the conclusion from your statement.Haha. In no way did the Justices empathize with the parties. What a crock of shit. Tell me where in the 14th amendment it says that people shouldn't feel unequal.
Of course its reverse discrimination. Its reverse discrimination in all cases. But its ok because it promotes equality. Or do you like going to law school with only 1 black kid?
Its right there if you look....
Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Its Due Process Clause has been used to apply most of the Bill of Rights to the states. This clause has also been used to create: (1) substantive due process rights, such as parental and marriage rights; and (2) procedural due process rights requiring that certain steps, such as a hearing, be followed before a person's property interest can be taken away. The amendment's Equal Protection Clause requires states to provide equal protection under the law to all people within their jurisdictions. The amendment also includes a number of clauses dealing with the Confederate states and their officials.
It guarantees rights to everyone, hence the equal protection clause. Including education, marriage, etc.....
And where does it provide the right to FEEL equal? Nowhere. Thank you for proving my point.
Ah yes, cause if someone can't succeed it must be because of someone else. What about the poor white kid that can't get into law school because his rich black counterpart who isn't as qualified is accepted due to AA. That's a crock of shit right there and furthermore the 14th amendment should guarantee that the white student be given equal protection under the law.
No, not must, but is often because of someone else. Try not to create strawmen, especially such obviouhttp://www.usmessageboard.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1219s ones.
I actually go to law school with a bunch of kids, white and black. The whites are pretty rich, the blacks actually aren't. Not sure where you are getting this weird myth about rich black kids booting poor white ones from schools.
Of course...equal protection. Because we shouldn't look at sociological research now that shows that blacks are discriminated against. But before it was A OK, right?
Hypocrite.
Thats nice. And why do you want to punish the kids for their parents failing to take "personal responsibility". And, by the way, sometimes the struggle of trying to take personal responsibility (i.e. taking 3 jobs) is why the kid ends up not knowing shit. Too busy putting food on th e table to teach their kids.
Spare me the "taking 3 jobs" crap. If a struggling single parent (we were talking about unmarrieds here) took three jobs, not only would they be non-functional themselves and be out of work because of it, Family Services would take the kid(s) away for endangering the welfare of a minor.
Actually false. Maybe you don't know something about jobs that pay shit, but most of them are part time. You can have 3 jobs and only work 60 hours a week or so.
ACTUALLY, I am aware.... ONLY 60 hrs.? With the kid(s) home alone? Or do they spend 1/3 to 1/2 of their take-home pay on child care? Careful....
And you also, conveniently, glossed over the (above) point that kids today have more access (themselves) to information than ever before.
Oh well then. Lets expect kids to educate themselves because we all know how much kids who go to shitty schools, and whose parents work all the time just love to learn just for fun.
I didn't start any strawmen, just stating the conclusion from your statement.Its right there if you look....
Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Its Due Process Clause has been used to apply most of the Bill of Rights to the states. This clause has also been used to create: (1) substantive due process rights, such as parental and marriage rights; and (2) procedural due process rights requiring that certain steps, such as a hearing, be followed before a person's property interest can be taken away. The amendment's Equal Protection Clause requires states to provide equal protection under the law to all people within their jurisdictions. The amendment also includes a number of clauses dealing with the Confederate states and their officials.
It guarantees rights to everyone, hence the equal protection clause. Including education, marriage, etc.....
And where does it provide the right to FEEL equal? Nowhere. Thank you for proving my point.
Ah yes, cause if someone can't succeed it must be because of someone else. What about the poor white kid that can't get into law school because his rich black counterpart who isn't as qualified is accepted due to AA. That's a crock of shit right there and furthermore the 14th amendment should guarantee that the white student be given equal protection under the law.
No, not must, but is often because of someone else. Try not to create strawmen, especially such obviouhttp://www.usmessageboard.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1219s ones.
I actually go to law school with a bunch of kids, white and black. The whites are pretty rich, the blacks actually aren't. Not sure where you are getting this weird myth about rich black kids booting poor white ones from schools.
Of course...equal protection. Because we shouldn't look at sociological research now that shows that blacks are discriminated against. But before it was A OK, right?
Hypocrite.
I have been law school as well, I have seen rich white and black people. Personal experience a lot of times is just that it doesn't translate to all of society, that's how stereotypes are started.
Spare me the "taking 3 jobs" crap. If a struggling single parent (we were talking about unmarrieds here) took three jobs, not only would they be non-functional themselves and be out of work because of it, Family Services would take the kid(s) away for endangering the welfare of a minor.
ACTUALLY, I am aware.... ONLY 60 hrs.? With the kid(s) home alone? Or do they spend 1/3 to 1/2 of their take-home pay on child care? Careful....
And you also, conveniently, glossed over the (above) point that kids today have more access (themselves) to information than ever before.
Oh well then. Lets expect kids to educate themselves because we all know how much kids who go to shitty schools, and whose parents work all the time just love to learn just for fun.
LOL! Well they sure as hell love to learn all about how to "do it", don't they?
I didn't start any strawmen, just stating the conclusion from your statement.And where does it provide the right to FEEL equal? Nowhere. Thank you for proving my point.
No, not must, but is often because of someone else. Try not to create strawmen, especially such obviouhttp://www.usmessageboard.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1219s ones.
I actually go to law school with a bunch of kids, white and black. The whites are pretty rich, the blacks actually aren't. Not sure where you are getting this weird myth about rich black kids booting poor white ones from schools.
Of course...equal protection. Because we shouldn't look at sociological research now that shows that blacks are discriminated against. But before it was A OK, right?
Hypocrite.
Really? Please quote me then where I said that if someone can't succeed it MUST be because of someone else. Have fun with that.
I have been law school as well, I have seen rich white and black people. Personal experience a lot of times is just that it doesn't translate to all of society, that's how stereotypes are started.
Yes, well thats law school for you. Well then show me these studies that say that all these poor whites are getting kicked out so that rich blacks can come in because of AA. After all, you wouldn't just make something like that up...would you?
I didn't start any strawmen, just stating the conclusion from your statement.
Really? Please quote me then where I said that if someone can't succeed it MUST be because of someone else. Have fun with that.
I have been law school as well, I have seen rich white and black people. Personal experience a lot of times is just that it doesn't translate to all of society, that's how stereotypes are started.
Yes, well thats law school for you. Well then show me these studies that say that all these poor whites are getting kicked out so that rich blacks can come in because of AA. After all, you wouldn't just make something like that up...would you?
What other conclusion can be drawn from.....
Of course its reverse discrimination. Its reverse discrimination in all cases. But its ok because it promotes equality.
In other words, the only reason most blacks can't succeed is due to discrimination.
I am sure you have heard of Gratz v. Bollinger correct?
Haha. In no way did the Justices empathize with the parties. What a crock of shit. Tell me where in the 14th amendment it says that people shouldn't feel unequal.
Of course its reverse discrimination. Its reverse discrimination in all cases. But its ok because it promotes equality. Or do you like going to law school with only 1 black kid?
Its right there if you look....
Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Its Due Process Clause has been used to apply most of the Bill of Rights to the states. This clause has also been used to create: (1) substantive due process rights, such as parental and marriage rights; and (2) procedural due process rights requiring that certain steps, such as a hearing, be followed before a person's property interest can be taken away. The amendment's Equal Protection Clause requires states to provide equal protection under the law to all people within their jurisdictions. The amendment also includes a number of clauses dealing with the Confederate states and their officials.
It guarantees rights to everyone, hence the equal protection clause. Including education, marriage, etc.....
And where does it provide the right to FEEL equal? Nowhere. Thank you for proving my point.
Ah yes, cause if someone can't succeed it must be because of someone else. What about the poor white kid that can't get into law school because his rich black counterpart who isn't as qualified is accepted due to AA. That's a crock of shit right there and furthermore the 14th amendment should guarantee that the white student be given equal protection under the law.
No, not must, but is often because of someone else. Try not to create strawmen, especially such obvious ones.
I actually go to law school with a bunch of kids, white and black. The whites are pretty rich, the blacks actually aren't. Not sure where you are getting this weird myth about rich black kids booting poor white ones from schools.
Of course...equal protection. Because we shouldn't look at sociological research now that shows that blacks are discriminated against. But before it was A OK, right?
Hypocrite.
Really? Please quote me then where I said that if someone can't succeed it MUST be because of someone else. Have fun with that.
Yes, well thats law school for you. Well then show me these studies that say that all these poor whites are getting kicked out so that rich blacks can come in because of AA. After all, you wouldn't just make something like that up...would you?
What other conclusion can be drawn from.....
Of course its reverse discrimination. Its reverse discrimination in all cases. But its ok because it promotes equality.
In other words, the only reason most blacks can't succeed is due to discrimination.
I am sure you have heard of Gratz v. Bollinger correct?
Yes I am familiar with the Michigan case.
And the conclusion that you could get is that SOME people don't succeed because of circumstances. Not if you fail its ALWAYS because of circumstances.
Surely you know the difference between Some and Always?
Its right there if you look....
Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Its Due Process Clause has been used to apply most of the Bill of Rights to the states. This clause has also been used to create: (1) substantive due process rights, such as parental and marriage rights; and (2) procedural due process rights requiring that certain steps, such as a hearing, be followed before a person's property interest can be taken away. The amendment's Equal Protection Clause requires states to provide equal protection under the law to all people within their jurisdictions. The amendment also includes a number of clauses dealing with the Confederate states and their officials.
It guarantees rights to everyone, hence the equal protection clause. Including education, marriage, etc.....
And where does it provide the right to FEEL equal? Nowhere. Thank you for proving my point.
Ah yes, cause if someone can't succeed it must be because of someone else. What about the poor white kid that can't get into law school because his rich black counterpart who isn't as qualified is accepted due to AA. That's a crock of shit right there and furthermore the 14th amendment should guarantee that the white student be given equal protection under the law.
No, not must, but is often because of someone else. Try not to create strawmen, especially such obvious ones.
I actually go to law school with a bunch of kids, white and black. The whites are pretty rich, the blacks actually aren't. Not sure where you are getting this weird myth about rich black kids booting poor white ones from schools.
Of course...equal protection. Because we shouldn't look at sociological research now that shows that blacks are discriminated against. But before it was A OK, right?
Hypocrite.
feel?
good one.
What other conclusion can be drawn from.....
Of course its reverse discrimination. Its reverse discrimination in all cases. But its ok because it promotes equality.
In other words, the only reason most blacks can't succeed is due to discrimination.
I am sure you have heard of Gratz v. Bollinger correct?
Yes I am familiar with the Michigan case.
And the conclusion that you could get is that SOME people don't succeed because of circumstances. Not if you fail its ALWAYS because of circumstances.
Surely you know the difference between Some and Always?
SCOTUS stated in the opinion to accept applicants solely on race is a violation of the equal protection clause....hopefully you can grasp that?
Yes I am familiar with the Michigan case.
And the conclusion that you could get is that SOME people don't succeed because of circumstances. Not if you fail its ALWAYS because of circumstances.
Surely you know the difference between Some and Always?
SCOTUS stated in the opinion to accept applicants solely on race is a violation of the equal protection clause....hopefully you can grasp that?
Nobody accepts applicants solely on race. Michigan surely didn't. Race was merely one of a variety of factors.
HBCU WWW SitesYes I am familiar with the Michigan case.
And the conclusion that you could get is that SOME people don't succeed because of circumstances. Not if you fail its ALWAYS because of circumstances.
Surely you know the difference between Some and Always?
SCOTUS stated in the opinion to accept applicants solely on race is a violation of the equal protection clause....hopefully you can grasp that?
Nobody accepts applicants solely on race. Michigan surely didn't. Race was merely one of a variety of factors.
SCOTUS stated in the opinion to accept applicants solely on race is a violation of the equal protection clause....hopefully you can grasp that?
Nobody accepts applicants solely on race. Michigan surely didn't. Race was merely one of a variety of factors.
Excuse me, assigned points solely based on race for admission....here let me help you understand.
Gratz v. Bollinger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A state university's admission policy violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment because its ranking system gave an automatic point increase to all racial minorities rather than making individual determinations. Eastern District of Michigan affirmed in part, reversed and remanded.
This an earlier post from you....
Not sure where you are getting this weird myth about rich black kids booting poor white ones from schools.
How about this case?
That's the reason you are still in law school though, so that you can learn grasshopper.
HBCU WWW SitesSCOTUS stated in the opinion to accept applicants solely on race is a violation of the equal protection clause....hopefully you can grasp that?
Nobody accepts applicants solely on race. Michigan surely didn't. Race was merely one of a variety of factors.
HBCUs are a source of accomplishment and great pride for the African American community as well as the entire nation. The Higher Education Act of 1965, as amended, defines an HBCU as: "...any historically black college or university that was established prior to 1964, whose principal mission was, and is, the education of black Americans, and that is accredited by a nationally recognized accrediting agency or association determined by the Secretary [of Education] to be a reliable authority as to the quality of training offered or is, according to such an agency or association, making reasonable progress toward accreditation."
Here is a list of colleges and universities who accept applicants predominately based upon race....
Alabama A&M University
Alabama State University
Albany State University
Alcorn State University
Allen University
Arkansas Baptist College
Barber-Scotia College
Benedict College
Bennett College
Bethune-Cookman University
Bishop State Community College
* Main Campus
* Carver Campus
* Central Campus
* Southwest Campus
Bluefield State College
Bowie State University
Central State University
Cheyney University of Pennsylvania
Claflin University
Clark Atlanta University
Clinton Junior College
Coahoma Community College
Concordia College
Coppin State University
Delaware State University
Denmark Technical College
Dillard University
Edward Waters College
Elizabeth City State University
Fayetteville State University
Fisk University
Florida A&M University
Florida Memorial University
Fort Valley State University
Fredd State Technical College
Grambling State University
Hampton University
Harris-Stowe State University
Hinds Community College
Howard University
Huston-Tillotson University
Interdenominational Theological Center
J.F. Drake State Technical College
Jackson State University
Jarvis Christian College
Johnson C. Smith University
Kentucky State University
Knoxville College
Lane College
Langston University
Lawson State Community College
LeMoyne-Owen College
Lewis College of Business
Lincoln University, MO
Lincoln University(Pennsylvania)
Livingstone College
Mary Holmes College - Closed
Meharry Medical College
Miles College
Mississippi Valley State University
Morehouse College
Morehouse School of Medicine
Morgan State University
Morris Brown College
Morris College
Norfolk State University
North Carolina A&T University
North Carolina Central University
Oakwood College
Paine College
Paul Quinn College
Philander Smith College
Prairie View A&M University
Rust College
Savannah State University
Selma University
Shaw University
Shorter College
South Carolina State University
Southern University A&M College
* Southern University at New Orleans
* Southern University at Shreveport
Southwestern Christian College
Spelman College
St. Augustine's College
St. Paul's College
St. Philip's College
Shelton State Community College-Fredd Campus
Stillman College
Talladega College
Tennessee State University
Texas College
Texas Southern University
Tougaloo College
Trenholm State Technical College
Tuskegee University
University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff
University of Maryland Eastern Shore
University of the District of Columbia
University of the Virgin Islands
Virginia State University
Virginia Union University
Voorhees College
West Virginia State University
Wilberforce University
Wiley College
Winston-Salem State University
Xavier University of Louisiana
HBCU WWW SitesNobody accepts applicants solely on race. Michigan surely didn't. Race was merely one of a variety of factors.
HBCUs are a source of accomplishment and great pride for the African American community as well as the entire nation. The Higher Education Act of 1965, as amended, defines an HBCU as: "...any historically black college or university that was established prior to 1964, whose principal mission was, and is, the education of black Americans, and that is accredited by a nationally recognized accrediting agency or association determined by the Secretary [of Education] to be a reliable authority as to the quality of training offered or is, according to such an agency or association, making reasonable progress toward accreditation."
Here is a list of colleges and universities who accept applicants predominately based upon race....
Alabama A&M University
Alabama State University
Albany State University
Alcorn State University
Allen University
Arkansas Baptist College
Barber-Scotia College
Benedict College
Bennett College
Bethune-Cookman University
Bishop State Community College
* Main Campus
* Carver Campus
* Central Campus
* Southwest Campus
Bluefield State College
Bowie State University
Central State University
Cheyney University of Pennsylvania
Claflin University
Clark Atlanta University
Clinton Junior College
Coahoma Community College
Concordia College
Coppin State University
Delaware State University
Denmark Technical College
Dillard University
Edward Waters College
Elizabeth City State University
Fayetteville State University
Fisk University
Florida A&M University
Florida Memorial University
Fort Valley State University
Fredd State Technical College
Grambling State University
Hampton University
Harris-Stowe State University
Hinds Community College
Howard University
Huston-Tillotson University
Interdenominational Theological Center
J.F. Drake State Technical College
Jackson State University
Jarvis Christian College
Johnson C. Smith University
Kentucky State University
Knoxville College
Lane College
Langston University
Lawson State Community College
LeMoyne-Owen College
Lewis College of Business
Lincoln University, MO
Lincoln University(Pennsylvania)
Livingstone College
Mary Holmes College - Closed
Meharry Medical College
Miles College
Mississippi Valley State University
Morehouse College
Morehouse School of Medicine
Morgan State University
Morris Brown College
Morris College
Norfolk State University
North Carolina A&T University
North Carolina Central University
Oakwood College
Paine College
Paul Quinn College
Philander Smith College
Prairie View A&M University
Rust College
Savannah State University
Selma University
Shaw University
Shorter College
South Carolina State University
Southern University A&M College
* Southern University at New Orleans
* Southern University at Shreveport
Southwestern Christian College
Spelman College
St. Augustine's College
St. Paul's College
St. Philip's College
Shelton State Community College-Fredd Campus
Stillman College
Talladega College
Tennessee State University
Texas College
Texas Southern University
Tougaloo College
Trenholm State Technical College
Tuskegee University
University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff
University of Maryland Eastern Shore
University of the District of Columbia
University of the Virgin Islands
Virginia State University
Virginia Union University
Voorhees College
West Virginia State University
Wilberforce University
Wiley College
Winston-Salem State University
Xavier University of Louisiana
That they are traditionally black colleges does not mean they accept applicants based "predominantly on race". In fact, Alabama A&M and ASU have taken efforts to specifically attract more white students.
So, care to try again?
Affirmative Action- Court Decisions
HBCU WWW Sites
HBCUs are a source of accomplishment and great pride for the African American community as well as the entire nation. The Higher Education Act of 1965, as amended, defines an HBCU as: "...any historically black college or university that was established prior to 1964, whose principal mission was, and is, the education of black Americans, and that is accredited by a nationally recognized accrediting agency or association determined by the Secretary [of Education] to be a reliable authority as to the quality of training offered or is, according to such an agency or association, making reasonable progress toward accreditation."
Here is a list of colleges and universities who accept applicants predominately based upon race....
Alabama A&M University
Alabama State University
Albany State University
Alcorn State University
Allen University
Arkansas Baptist College
Barber-Scotia College
Benedict College
Bennett College
Bethune-Cookman University
Bishop State Community College
* Main Campus
* Carver Campus
* Central Campus
* Southwest Campus
Bluefield State College
Bowie State University
Central State University
Cheyney University of Pennsylvania
Claflin University
Clark Atlanta University
Clinton Junior College
Coahoma Community College
Concordia College
Coppin State University
Delaware State University
Denmark Technical College
Dillard University
Edward Waters College
Elizabeth City State University
Fayetteville State University
Fisk University
Florida A&M University
Florida Memorial University
Fort Valley State University
Fredd State Technical College
Grambling State University
Hampton University
Harris-Stowe State University
Hinds Community College
Howard University
Huston-Tillotson University
Interdenominational Theological Center
J.F. Drake State Technical College
Jackson State University
Jarvis Christian College
Johnson C. Smith University
Kentucky State University
Knoxville College
Lane College
Langston University
Lawson State Community College
LeMoyne-Owen College
Lewis College of Business
Lincoln University, MO
Lincoln University(Pennsylvania)
Livingstone College
Mary Holmes College - Closed
Meharry Medical College
Miles College
Mississippi Valley State University
Morehouse College
Morehouse School of Medicine
Morgan State University
Morris Brown College
Morris College
Norfolk State University
North Carolina A&T University
North Carolina Central University
Oakwood College
Paine College
Paul Quinn College
Philander Smith College
Prairie View A&M University
Rust College
Savannah State University
Selma University
Shaw University
Shorter College
South Carolina State University
Southern University A&M College
* Southern University at New Orleans
* Southern University at Shreveport
Southwestern Christian College
Spelman College
St. Augustine's College
St. Paul's College
St. Philip's College
Shelton State Community College-Fredd Campus
Stillman College
Talladega College
Tennessee State University
Texas College
Texas Southern University
Tougaloo College
Trenholm State Technical College
Tuskegee University
University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff
University of Maryland Eastern Shore
University of the District of Columbia
University of the Virgin Islands
Virginia State University
Virginia Union University
Voorhees College
West Virginia State University
Wilberforce University
Wiley College
Winston-Salem State University
Xavier University of Louisiana
That they are traditionally black colleges does not mean they accept applicants based "predominantly on race". In fact, Alabama A&M and ASU have taken efforts to specifically attract more white students.
So, care to try again?
Affirmative Action- Court Decisions
What part of "Here is a list of colleges and universities who accept applicants predominately based upon race" was complicated?
That they are traditionally black colleges does not mean they accept applicants based "predominantly on race". In fact, Alabama A&M and ASU have taken efforts to specifically attract more white students.
So, care to try again?
Affirmative Action- Court Decisions
What part of "Here is a list of colleges and universities who accept applicants predominately based upon race" was complicated?
Nothing was complicated about the statement. The problem comes in when its proved that the statement is a flat out lie. Which I showed, quite simply. What part of me disproving his assertion did you fail to understand?
What part of "Here is a list of colleges and universities who accept applicants predominately based upon race" was complicated?
Nothing was complicated about the statement. The problem comes in when its proved that the statement is a flat out lie. Which I showed, quite simply. What part of me disproving his assertion did you fail to understand?
You made a stupid comment and I proved it wrong....you took a couple of names out of the list and made a comment that falls way short of disproving, grasshopper...
Nothing was complicated about the statement. The problem comes in when its proved that the statement is a flat out lie. Which I showed, quite simply. What part of me disproving his assertion did you fail to understand?
You made a stupid comment and I proved it wrong....you took a couple of names out of the list and made a comment that falls way short of disproving, grasshopper...
Actually I did disprove it. You said they accepted people based predominantly on race. I picked the first 2 on your list, and showed that they didn't. In fact, they are trying to lure more white people to the college, so its quite obvious that they don't select based predominantly on race. If they were, why exactly would they be trying to lure more white students to the school?
But keep on claiming you are correct. Par for the course for your bullshit. No wonder you only got hired to do temp work. Even fortune 500 companies need their bitches to do the grunt work.
