Elon Musk was once an illegal immigrant.

Crepitus said:
Ditched his graduate program, which ended his student visa.

He then proceeded to work illegally.

A situation that continued until investors found out and said "fix this or no more money".



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All the evidence points to the truth that Elon Musk was never an 'illegal' immigrant as we define the term now. More dishonesty from a malicious left that is increasingly without morals, integrity, principles, ethics.

According to Snopes: ". . .In sum, the claim that Elon Musk was once an "illegal immigrant" in the U.S. is unproven. While Musk did joke about being in a "gray area" regarding his immigration status, the available evidence suggests that he followed a legal path through student visas and H-1B temporary employment visas. There is no credible evidence that he was ever fully "illegal" during his more than three decades in the U.S. . ."
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Foxfyre said:
All the evidence points to the truth that Elon Musk was never an 'illegal' immigrant as we define the term now. More dishonesty from a malicious left that is increasingly without morals, integrity, principles, ethics.

According to Snopes: ". . .In sum, the claim that Elon Musk was once an "illegal immigrant" in the U.S. is unproven. While Musk did joke about being in a "gray area" regarding his immigration status, the available evidence suggests that he followed a legal path through student visas and H-1B temporary employment visas. There is no credible evidence that he was ever fully "illegal" during his more than three decades in the U.S. . ."
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Musk Was Once an Undocumented Immigrant in US?

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Au contraire--he was definitely an illegal:


Long before he became one of Donald Trump’s biggest donors and campaign surrogates, South African-born Elon Musk worked illegally in the United States as he launched his entrepreneurial career after ditching a graduate studies program in California, according to former business associates, court records and company documents obtained by The Washington Post.

What Musk has not publicly disclosed is that he did not have the legal right to work while building the company that became Zip2, which sold for about $300 million in 1999. It was Musk’s steppingstone to Tesla and the other ventures that have made him the world’s wealthiest person — and arguably America’s most successful immigrant.
Musk and his brother, Kimbal, have often described their immigrant journey in romantic terms, as a time of personal austerity, undeterred ambition and a willingness to flout conventions. Musk arrived in Palo Alto in 1995 for a graduate degree program at Stanford University but never enrolled in courses, working instead on his start-up.
Leaving school left Musk without a legal basis to remain in the United States, according to legal experts.
Foreign students cannot drop out of school to build a company, even if they are not immediately getting paid, said Leon Fresco, a former Justice Department immigration litigator.
“If you do anything that helps to facilitate revenue creation, such as design code or try to make sales in furtherance of revenue creation, then you’re in trouble,” Fresco said.

In 2005, Musk acknowledged in a late-night email that he did not have authorization to be in the United States when he founded Zip2. The email, from Musk to Tesla co-founders Martin Eberhard and JB Straubel, was submitted as evidence in a long-since-closed California defamation lawsuit and said he applied to Stanford so he could remain in the United States legally.
“Actually, I didn’t really care much for the degree, but I had no money for a lab and no legal right to stay in the country, so that seemed like a good way to solve both issues,” Musk wrote. “Then the internet came along, which seemed like a much surer bet.”
Musk never enrolled at Stanford. In a May 2009 deposition, he said he called the department chair two days after the start of the semester to say he wasn’t going to attend. In the same deposition, he said he began working at Zip2 — originally called Global Link Information Network — in August or September 1995.
Upon not enrolling, Musk would have had to leave the country, according to legal experts and immigration laws at the time. He would not have been allowed to work.
While overstaying a student visa is somewhat common and officials have at times turned a blind eye to it, it remains illegal.
The revelation that Musk lacked the legal right to work in the United States stands at odds with his recent focus on undocumented immigrants and U.S. border security, among the issues that have led him to spend more than $100 million helping Trump return to the White House. If Trump wins on Nov. 5, both men have said Musk could have a high-profile role in his administration.
 
EvilEyeFleegle said:
Au contraire--he was definitely an illegal:


Long before he became one of Donald Trump’s biggest donors and campaign surrogates, South African-born Elon Musk worked illegally in the United States as he launched his entrepreneurial career after ditching a graduate studies program in California, according to former business associates, court records and company documents obtained by The Washington Post.

What Musk has not publicly disclosed is that he did not have the legal right to work while building the company that became Zip2, which sold for about $300 million in 1999. It was Musk’s steppingstone to Tesla and the other ventures that have made him the world’s wealthiest person — and arguably America’s most successful immigrant.
Musk and his brother, Kimbal, have often described their immigrant journey in romantic terms, as a time of personal austerity, undeterred ambition and a willingness to flout conventions. Musk arrived in Palo Alto in 1995 for a graduate degree program at Stanford University but never enrolled in courses, working instead on his start-up.
Leaving school left Musk without a legal basis to remain in the United States, according to legal experts.
Foreign students cannot drop out of school to build a company, even if they are not immediately getting paid, said Leon Fresco, a former Justice Department immigration litigator.
“If you do anything that helps to facilitate revenue creation, such as design code or try to make sales in furtherance of revenue creation, then you’re in trouble,” Fresco said.

In 2005, Musk acknowledged in a late-night email that he did not have authorization to be in the United States when he founded Zip2. The email, from Musk to Tesla co-founders Martin Eberhard and JB Straubel, was submitted as evidence in a long-since-closed California defamation lawsuit and said he applied to Stanford so he could remain in the United States legally.
“Actually, I didn’t really care much for the degree, but I had no money for a lab and no legal right to stay in the country, so that seemed like a good way to solve both issues,” Musk wrote. “Then the internet came along, which seemed like a much surer bet.”
Musk never enrolled at Stanford. In a May 2009 deposition, he said he called the department chair two days after the start of the semester to say he wasn’t going to attend. In the same deposition, he said he began working at Zip2 — originally called Global Link Information Network — in August or September 1995.
Upon not enrolling, Musk would have had to leave the country, according to legal experts and immigration laws at the time. He would not have been allowed to work.
While overstaying a student visa is somewhat common and officials have at times turned a blind eye to it, it remains illegal.
The revelation that Musk lacked the legal right to work in the United States stands at odds with his recent focus on undocumented immigrants and U.S. border security, among the issues that have led him to spend more than $100 million helping Trump return to the White House. If Trump wins on Nov. 5, both men have said Musk could have a high-profile role in his administration.
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“If you do anything that helps to facilitate revenue creation, such as design code or try to make sales in furtherance of revenue creation, then you’re in trouble,” Fresco said.


So, as long as you're a drain on the economy you're good, but the minute you start creating revenue, you're in trouble.........Interesting.
 

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Crepitus said:
People who overstay student visas are indeed illegals.

It is a fact.
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He's just trying to make a better life for himself.

:auiqs.jpg:


The problem you have with Musk is that he did make a better life for himself and thousands of others along the way.

Oh yea, and he has kicked his support of democrats to the curb.

:clap:
 
DukeU said:
“If you do anything that helps to facilitate revenue creation, such as design code or try to make sales in furtherance of revenue creation, then you’re in trouble,” Fresco said.


So, as long as you're a drain on the economy you're good, but the minute you start creating revenue, you're in trouble.........Interesting.
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The visa is for attending school. If you want to emigrate to the US and start a business...obey the rules and jump through the hoops.
Not sure that attending college is draining the economy~

Bur Musk is White..so cool beans, right?
 
DukeU said:
He's just trying to make a better life for himself.

:auiqs.jpg:


The problem you have with Musk is that he did make a better life for himself and thousands of others along the way.

Oh yea, and he has kicked his support of democrats to the curb.

:clap:
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That's what they all say, right?
 
EvilEyeFleegle said:
The visa is for attending school. If you want to emigrate to the US and start a business...obey the rules and jump through the hoops.
Not sure that attending college is draining the economy~

Bur Musk is White..so cool beans, right?
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LOL

I actually agree, but.

Please point me in the right direction to find anyone referencing Musk as an illegal prior to his political switch.

Hell, I thought the new term was undocumented?!?
 
EvilEyeFleegle said:
Au contraire--he was definitely an illegal:


Long before he became one of Donald Trump’s biggest donors and campaign surrogates, South African-born Elon Musk worked illegally in the United States as he launched his entrepreneurial career after ditching a graduate studies program in California, according to former business associates, court records and company documents obtained by The Washington Post.

What Musk has not publicly disclosed is that he did not have the legal right to work while building the company that became Zip2, which sold for about $300 million in 1999. It was Musk’s steppingstone to Tesla and the other ventures that have made him the world’s wealthiest person — and arguably America’s most successful immigrant.
Musk and his brother, Kimbal, have often described their immigrant journey in romantic terms, as a time of personal austerity, undeterred ambition and a willingness to flout conventions. Musk arrived in Palo Alto in 1995 for a graduate degree program at Stanford University but never enrolled in courses, working instead on his start-up.
Leaving school left Musk without a legal basis to remain in the United States, according to legal experts.
Foreign students cannot drop out of school to build a company, even if they are not immediately getting paid, said Leon Fresco, a former Justice Department immigration litigator.
“If you do anything that helps to facilitate revenue creation, such as design code or try to make sales in furtherance of revenue creation, then you’re in trouble,” Fresco said.

In 2005, Musk acknowledged in a late-night email that he did not have authorization to be in the United States when he founded Zip2. The email, from Musk to Tesla co-founders Martin Eberhard and JB Straubel, was submitted as evidence in a long-since-closed California defamation lawsuit and said he applied to Stanford so he could remain in the United States legally.
“Actually, I didn’t really care much for the degree, but I had no money for a lab and no legal right to stay in the country, so that seemed like a good way to solve both issues,” Musk wrote. “Then the internet came along, which seemed like a much surer bet.”
Musk never enrolled at Stanford. In a May 2009 deposition, he said he called the department chair two days after the start of the semester to say he wasn’t going to attend. In the same deposition, he said he began working at Zip2 — originally called Global Link Information Network — in August or September 1995.
Upon not enrolling, Musk would have had to leave the country, according to legal experts and immigration laws at the time. He would not have been allowed to work.
While overstaying a student visa is somewhat common and officials have at times turned a blind eye to it, it remains illegal.
The revelation that Musk lacked the legal right to work in the United States stands at odds with his recent focus on undocumented immigrants and U.S. border security, among the issues that have led him to spend more than $100 million helping Trump return to the White House. If Trump wins on Nov. 5, both men have said Musk could have a high-profile role in his administration.
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Snopes, nobody's idea of a right wing organization, has a different version of the facts. But then Snopes is not an organization dedicated to trashing anybody or anything on the right, however dishonestly they do that.
 
Crepitus said:
People who overstay student visas are indeed illegals.

It is a fact.
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According to Snopes, it is most likely he legally 'overstayed' his student visa and was issued a non student visa to be here. Those are things that leftwing propaganda organization like WAPO usually leave out of the discussion. Snopes is certain no rightwing organization and will sometimes strain at gnats to discredit something or somebody on the right. But mostly they do have the ethics, principles, integrity, sense of honor to try to get things as right as they can.

And I'm pretty sure if Musk, a former darling of the left, had not chosen to come down on the side of free speech and supported most of Trump policies, most especially in the area of illegal immigration, WAPO and other leftwing propaganda organizations would never have started looking for ways to trash him and you never would have started this thread.
 
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