So Pogo, Elizabeth admits that
represented herself as a native American at several different colleges that she attended. She
was also listed as a minority in several different articles that featured her as a member of staff.
And you have two different things going on here you're trying to conflate hoping nobody notices, missy:
(one thing) -
listed herself as "Native American"
(other thing) -
was listed as a "minority"
I've color coded them so you're seeing eye dog can lead you to them.
Now we're off to English class. What do we notice that's different in the actions between these two:
1)
"she listed herself"
2)
"she was listed"
Who's doing the listing?
In example 1, "she" is doing her own listing ("herself" being reflexive). In example 2,
some outside party is doing it. "Was listed" is passive voice. Means it was done TO or ABOUT her, by entites not stated. In this case we know that these entities were a couple of universities where she was employed.
That's not EW doing the listing. It's a university bureaucrat.
Now let's go to the original claim that started this bullshit-ball rolling - by a political election opponent. Scott Brown said,
“[Elizabeth Warren] checked the box. She had an opportunity, actually, to make a decision throughout her career. When she applied to Penn and Harvard, she checked the box claiming she was Native American, and, you know, clearly she’s not.”
Yet Penn and Harvard have gone on record saying she did no such thing, that they were not told or aware of any such ethnicity, and in fact the only "boxes" she "checked that we know of were (1) at the U of Texas (where they asked for ethnicity, the choices including "Native American or Alaskan Native") where she checked only "White" (and this would be
after hiring anyway)*; and (2) at
Rutgers where the application asked, “Are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students?" where she checked “no”. Both of these are on record.
*(
source here, which also notes:
>> Lopez said professors typically do not fill out standard job applications and instead rely on curriculum vitae when applying for jobs. Once hired, professors and other employees are required to fill out a larger biographical form, which includes the minority identification question. Lopez said the school’s records indicate that Warren did not update her form after she first filled it out, probably sometime around 1981. <<
So there is
no box to check upon application anyway. There may be such a box for those applying for janitor but this is a professional position -- which echoes my experience in the same institutions; you don't sit in the lobby filling out a standard employment form, you send a résumé, a CV and letters of recommendation)
So it would appear there is indeed a liar here, and he's so full of shit his name is Brown.
Not enough? Let's see what else ol' Brown-eyes said. This directly from their
debate:
“Professor Warren claimed she was a Native American, a person of color -- and as you can see, she is not.”
Let that sink in... "as you can
see". Really. See my earlier post of all those Cherokee faces.
"As you can
see". I guess because hey, Elvis isn't wearing a feather headdress and patting his mouth going "woo-boo-boo". Della Reese isn't shooting arrows. Winston Churchill not smoke-um peace pipe. "As we can
see", they can't be Native American.
Please.
Your other point that she used such status either to facilitate her hire at any of these institutions or receive advantages on its basis, have not only no evidence, but has been in fact contradicted by those institution's hiring personnel and Warren herself via the record of her specifically
declining admission on that basis (Rutgers above).
When confronted, she eventually admitted (after some denial of knowing about it at all), that she had in fact done this. She said her reason was because she wanted to "meet other people like me." When confronted with the fact that there was no traceable lineage to any kind of native American heritage in her family tree, she said that she based it upon stories told to her by her elder family members.
Now, I think you would have to be either dishonest or a complete retard to represent yourself as a minority based upon such things. I think any reasonable person would agree with that assessment too.
Wrong. She "admitted" (your term) to having disclosed heritage into to Harvard and Penn after being already hired -- which is a different animal from what she may have listed for herself with AALS. Whatever the Ivy schools did with that info we touched on above (their actions, not hers); the AALS listing format -- which is unrelated to these school administrations -- does not specify "Native American"/"Black"/"Asian" etc, but simply the one broad category of "minority". And as we touched on before, "minority" in this age of Affirmative Action in its complete form includes women.
Now as to the "claim" basis (the weasel word "claim" is noted; it was no such thing),
none of those listings, forms, interviews, etc require a documentation for validation. Where any such documentation IS required is in being counted as a member of the Cherokee
Nation, i.e being a
citizen of that nation. This is where the "documentation" fad keeps creeping in --- but Elizabeth Warren has never claimed to be a citizen of the Cherokee
Nation. So that benchmark is also bullshit.
I mean I have Irish ethnicity -- plenty of it from both parents -- but that doesn't make me a damn citizen of Ireland, nor do I claim it does.
Finally (fair warning Frank--- stop reading here)
we still have that inconvenient genealogy
record from 1894.
Have a look at that crap Frank keeps posting ---- cherrypicked census forms from two great-grandparents (out of 8) stating "white" -- as if a box on a census form, checked in a time when checking "Indian" would have been self-identifying with a lower caste --- is somehow a more reliable indicator than family lore. How come you're not mocking Frank for that speciousity?
Family history is suspect but a census answer form is not?
Having it both ways: Priceless.
Oh wait, that would be
confirmed family lore. Her siblings already corroborated it.
Your move.
