Electric Vehicle sales are sucking!!!

[Old Rocks]

And then there is that battery factory

Tesla picks Nevada for battery Gigafactory

Want to bet that it will feature a battery more powerful and cheaper than what is on the market today. Musk has a way of coming up with technology that is far ahead of everyone else.

 

[Old Rocks]

The only place where electric vehicles are a viable form of transportation is at golf courses through out America

The only place a mind like yours if viable is behind the counter of a MacDonalds.

Electrics are going to replace ICE's in my lifetime.

 

[Old Rocks]

Electric motorcycle. 215 mph out of the box. Won the 2013 Pikes Peak hillclimb by 20 minutes over the fastest ICE bike. Even Harley is looking to make an electric bike.

Lightning Electric Motorcycle Fastest Electric MotorcycleLightning Motorcycles

 

[alpine]

Long live Saudi Kings and their harems filled with western woman...

 

[Old Rocks]

Electric Car Market Growth Soars in 2013

Hybrid vehicle sales in 2013 grew by 14% over 2012. And sales of electric cars grew by 83%!

83% In one year! Hmmmmmmmmmmm........................

 

[flacaltenn]

Remember when those gas car companies were about to go bankrupt and needed to get bailed out lol that was so hilarious omg good times!

And that the bribe was they needed to produce an electric hybrid. hahahahahahahaahahahaha

Yea bro lolololol cause before that hybrid they totally, like, were about to stop being a company because they couldn't sell shit hahahahahahahaqhahahahahqhqhyqhywhwjesj!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So government coercion is the only reason there are hybrids on the road today? No sane manufacturer would put the money up because they are such a bad idea.

Hybrids are an ELEGANT engineering design. Allows more efficient drive train and recapture of braking energy. Downsizes the main combustion engine.. Now you think EVs are expensive? The CEO of Fiat was on TV a couple months ago urging folks -- "NOT TO BUY HIS EVs" -- because he is losing so much money on each one. But he needs to build them to build his EPA rating on "fleet mileage". AND they are subsidized to the tune of about $12K -- on TOP of his corporate losses.

 

[flacaltenn]

Model S Specs Tesla Motors

Damned good looking vehicle.

True Cost of Ownership Tesla Motors

Considering the class of the vehicle, not that expensive to own.

Tesla Model S Reviews - Tesla Model S Price Photos and Specs - CARandDRIVER

These electrons energize the 416-hp motor positioned on the left side of the Model S, just behind the differential. Peak power occurs between 5000 and 8600 rpm, peak torque of 443 pound-feet at 0 rpm, yet the motor can spin to16,000 revs. That means that the Model S gets by with just one speed—essentially no transmission.

But “gets by” understates the Model S’s performance. We measured 0-to-60 mph in 4.6 seconds, a quarter-mile of 13.3 seconds at 104 mph, and a governed top speed of  134 mph. That’s similar to the performance of the V-8 German sedans.

The figures, however, don’t reveal the Tesla’s instantaneous response. When you floor the accelerator on a conventional car, the airflow has to increase, the turbos must spool up, and the transmission unlocks its torque converter and usually downshifts. In the Model S, you’re shoved into your seat right now, with an immediacy that no Corvette, Ferrari, or Porsche can match.

And that was a 2013 model.

Trophy cars for Millionaires. Yeah they can also afford the tickets for doing the 0-60mph test on public streets. AND low wage workers are being fleeced to help the millionaires afford these toys..

Good con job -- Elon Musk.. How many Tesla's are being "charged by the sun"??? What a show-man.. Or snow-man..

 

[flacaltenn]

And then there is that battery factory

Tesla picks Nevada for battery Gigafactory

Want to bet that it will feature a battery more powerful and cheaper than what is on the market today. Musk has a way of coming up with technology that is far ahead of everyone else.

Nope.. You go right ahead. Tesla stock today at about $260.. Such a deal.. I might buy at $80..

 

[Desperado]

Model S Specs Tesla Motors

Damned good looking vehicle.

True Cost of Ownership Tesla Motors

Considering the class of the vehicle, not that expensive to own.

Tesla Model S Reviews - Tesla Model S Price Photos and Specs - CARandDRIVER

These electrons energize the 416-hp motor positioned on the left side of the Model S, just behind the differential. Peak power occurs between 5000 and 8600 rpm, peak torque of 443 pound-feet at 0 rpm, yet the motor can spin to16,000 revs. That means that the Model S gets by with just one speed—essentially no transmission.

But “gets by” understates the Model S’s performance. We measured 0-to-60 mph in 4.6 seconds, a quarter-mile of 13.3 seconds at 104 mph, and a governed top speed of  134 mph. That’s similar to the performance of the V-8 German sedans.

The figures, however, don’t reveal the Tesla’s instantaneous response. When you floor the accelerator on a conventional car, the airflow has to increase, the turbos must spool up, and the transmission unlocks its torque converter and usually downshifts. In the Model S, you’re shoved into your seat right now, with an immediacy that no Corvette, Ferrari, or Porsche can match.

And that was a 2013 model.

It is a great car but it still has the problem of range and charge time The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) official range for the Model S Performance model equipped with an 85 kW. h battery pack is 265 miles (426 km) less if using any other electrical powered devices such as lights, wipers and your ac.
This car still cannot make the Miami to Orlando run on one charge.
A discharged battery can be replenished in about 10 hours with the standard 10-kW charger, which uses a 40-amp, 240-volt circuit—what an electric oven requires. There is an optional 20-kW, 80-amp charger, which cuts the plug-in time to about seven hours.

 

[skookerasbil]

EV's and Hybrids are a fringe market and will be for a long long time. Development of different batteries is compelling but of course, the big question is ( but a moot question to the AGW crowd )......what will they cost?

At the end of the day, its the only thing that matters.

 

[Crick]

What did your last surgery cost?

 

[skookerasbil]

What did your last surgery cost?

Sucks when Realville must finally be confronted, huh s0n???......although one could see a time where far left guys are proposing government incentives to buy an EV. LOL.....the low information person will think it a great idea. No far left idea's would EVER fly but for the low information guy on the street.

 

[Old Rocks]

Go to a machine shop, and ask what it will cost to build one V-8 engine. The ask an industrialist to build a factory to produce 100,000 engines, and see what that will cost. Now ask that same industrialist to build 50,000,000 engines. The EV's are currently at the 100,000 scale. With that factor in Reno, Musk is trying to jump start the industry to the million scale. The batteries are going to come down significantly in price.

 

[skookerasbil]

Go to a machine shop, and ask what it will cost to build one V-8 engine. The ask an industrialist to build a factory to produce 100,000 engines, and see what that will cost. Now ask that same industrialist to build 50,000,000 engines. The EV's are currently at the 100,000 scale. With that factor in Reno, Musk is trying to jump start the industry to the million scale. The batteries are going to come down significantly in price.

I get that Ray, but if you look at total sales of gas powered vehicles vs hybrid and EV's......only account for 3.6% total ( and thats a reduction from last year ) in the market.

WHen it gets to 15%-20%, its made a real dent............but right now, sales are dropping. Most people are not moved by the prospect of owning an EV.

 

[Old Rocks]

And that was a 2013 model.[/QUOTE]
It is a great car but it still has the problem of range and charge time The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) official range for the Model S Performance model equipped with an 85 kW. h battery pack is 265 miles (426 km) less if using any other electrical powered devices such as lights, wipers and your ac.
This car still cannot make the Miami to Orlando run on one charge.
A discharged battery can be replenished in about 10 hours with the standard 10-kW charger, which uses a 40-amp, 240-volt circuit—what an electric oven requires. There is an optional 20-kW, 80-amp charger, which cuts the plug-in time to about seven hours.[/QUOTE]

Supercharging stations, 80% charge in about 30 minutes:

http://static1.businessinsider.com/...1080/screen shot 2013-05-30 at 1.27.44 pm.png

And then Tesla is installing the stealth chargers at motels around the country.

Tesla s Covertly Installing Wall Chargers At Locations Across The Country CleanTechnica

And then there is the option of simply swapping to a freshly charged battery;

Battery Swap Tesla Motors

You are going to have to get up early in the morning to get ahead of Elon Musk.

 

[flacaltenn]

Go to a machine shop, and ask what it will cost to build one V-8 engine. The ask an industrialist to build a factory to produce 100,000 engines, and see what that will cost. Now ask that same industrialist to build 50,000,000 engines. The EV's are currently at the 100,000 scale. With that factor in Reno, Musk is trying to jump start the industry to the million scale. The batteries are going to come down significantly in price.

And Musky is gonna sell a Million of WHAT? exactly... Even if he thinks he's gonna resale to other major car makers, he's gonna get severely squeezed on cost. Cruising for a financial bruisin'..

 

[flacaltenn]

And that was a 2013 model.

It is a great car but it still has the problem of range and charge time The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) official range for the Model S Performance model equipped with an 85 kW. h battery pack is 265 miles (426 km) less if using any other electrical powered devices such as lights, wipers and your ac.
This car still cannot make the Miami to Orlando run on one charge.
A discharged battery can be replenished in about 10 hours with the standard 10-kW charger, which uses a 40-amp, 240-volt circuit—what an electric oven requires. There is an optional 20-kW, 80-amp charger, which cuts the plug-in time to about seven hours.

Supercharging stations, 80% charge in about 30 minutes:

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/51a78cda69beddbb4f000000-1920-1080/screen shot 2013-05-30 at 1.27.44 pm.png

And then Tesla is installing the stealth chargers at motels around the country.

Tesla s Covertly Installing Wall Chargers At Locations Across The Country CleanTechnica

And then there is the option of simply swapping to a freshly charged battery;

Battery Swap Tesla Motors

You are going to have to get up early in the morning to get ahead of Elon Musk.

You are such a dupe.. Can't do the math? 30 minute charge on 85KWHr battery bus?? That's close to 1/6 of a MEGAWATT !!! Not only dangerous but downright destructive to lifetime of the batteries. Supercharging 60 of these boy toys at once is the equivalent load on the grid of 10,000 homes..

You'll be building NUKE plants by the DOZENS just to keep the grid from browning and rewiring 90% of America to keep the lines from melting.. This Musk guy has you sold --- doesn't he?

 

[Desperado]

And that was a 2013 model.

It is a great car but it still has the problem of range and charge time The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) official range for the Model S Performance model equipped with an 85 kW. h battery pack is 265 miles (426 km) less if using any other electrical powered devices such as lights, wipers and your ac.
This car still cannot make the Miami to Orlando run on one charge.
A discharged battery can be replenished in about 10 hours with the standard 10-kW charger, which uses a 40-amp, 240-volt circuit—what an electric oven requires. There is an optional 20-kW, 80-amp charger, which cuts the plug-in time to about seven hours.[/QUOTE]

Supercharging stations, 80% charge in about 30 minutes:

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/51a78cda69beddbb4f000000-1920-1080/screen shot 2013-05-30 at 1.27.44 pm.png

And then Tesla is installing the stealth chargers at motels around the country.

Tesla s Covertly Installing Wall Chargers At Locations Across The Country CleanTechnica

And then there is the option of simply swapping to a freshly charged battery;

Battery Swap Tesla Motors

You are going to have to get up early in the morning to get ahead of Elon Musk.[/QUOTE]

All fine and dandy if those are on your route, if not I hope you brought an overnight bag.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them succeed. However right now they are not ready for prime time.
30 minutes is still a long time to fill up compared to their gas counterparts.

 

[HenryBHough]

Would buy a conventional vehicle that required replacement of the fuel tank every 5-7 years at a cost of about $6,000? If so then an electric is exactly what you need.

 

[Old Rocks]

Used to be that you had to rebuild the engine in a conventional car about that often. The batteries will continue to increase in both longevity and energy density.