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I am talking about protecting people against the evils of democracy.Yes. They should get extra consideration. Their geography and way of life is different. And a democracy is not a democracy if it excludes you because of your geography or way of life.So, you think someone living in Wyoming should get extra consideration?
Somebody's 'way of life' gives them extra benefits to our electoral process? Geography? Maybe at one time but we have the Internet now and nobody is going to bumfuck Arkansas to campaign anyway.
No because from the point of view of the democratic process, the Wyoming farmer needs as much chance at the election as a Manhattan worker, even if there are a lot more Manhattan workers than Wyoming farmers.
Nobody campaigns in New York thanks to the electoral college, what are you talking about? Hell, nobody campaigns in Wyoming either.
Yes. They should get extra consideration. Their geography and way of life is different. And a democracy is not a democracy if it excludes you because of your geography or way of life.You want the people of NY, Los Angeles, Philly, and Chicago to select the President every four years?
Dumb, really dumb!
So, you think someone living in Wyoming should get extra consideration?
Somebody's 'way of life' gives them extra benefits to our electoral process? Geography? Maybe at one time but we have the Internet now and nobody is going to bumfuck Arkansas to campaign anyway.
No because from the point of view of the democratic process, the Wyoming farmer needs as much chance at the election as a Manhattan worker, even if there are a lot more Manhattan workers than Wyoming farmers.
Nobody campaigns in New York thanks to the electoral college, what are you talking about? Hell, nobody campaigns in Wyoming either.
Yes. They should get extra consideration. Their geography and way of life is different. And a democracy is not a democracy if it excludes you because of your geography or way of life.So, you think someone living in Wyoming should get extra consideration?
Somebody's 'way of life' gives them extra benefits to our electoral process? Geography? Maybe at one time but we have the Internet now and nobody is going to bumfuck Arkansas to campaign anyway.
No because from the point of view of the democratic process, the Wyoming farmer needs as much chance at the election as a Manhattan worker, even if there are a lot more Manhattan workers than Wyoming farmers.
Nobody campaigns in New York thanks to the electoral college, what are you talking about? Hell, nobody campaigns in Wyoming either.
Yes they do.
Like frogs in pan of water that heats up very slowly people don't realize we are moving towards the end of the democracy. Even though it seems to be a steadfast institution it won't take much of this and Trump's yammering how he won't accept the results of an election to undermine the process. And in the end the personalities are of little consequence. The process is what holds it together.
It's like watching various farmers fighting over water rights to a river until finally a few decide they'll go up stream to where it begins and poison the whole river.
Edit: And by the way, until something is written in stone it isn't written in stone. Democracies die generally by a thousand cuts, and there are many wielding knives right now.
He needs to step aside. Being an electoral college voter is not a personal choice vote. He has to support the voice of Washiington, not his personal voice. And the voice of Washington is blue, not red.There may be hope for this state after all...I can respect Satiacum for standing up for what he believes in even if it's against the accepted norm.
1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit
1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit
One of Washington state’s Democratic presidential electors is vowing not to cast his Electoral College vote for Hillary Clinton — even if she wins the state handily on Election Day. Another elector says he is considering withholding his vote.
“No, no, no on Hillary. Absolutely not. No way,” said Robert Satiacum, a member of Washington’s Puyallup Tribe who had supported Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders as the Democratic presidential nominee.
He had earlier told various media outlets he was wrestling with whether his conscience would allow him to support Clinton and was considering stepping aside for an alternate elector. But on Friday, he sounded firm, even if the election is close.
Bret Chiafalo, a Democratic elector from Everett who is also a Sanders supporter, said he is considering exercising his right to be a “conscientious elector” and vote for the person he believes would be the best president.
“I have no specific plans, but I have not ruled out that possibility,” he said.
Satiacum is more adamant.
Speaking with The Seattle Times by phone from the site of protests against the Dakota Access Pipeline, he said he did not trust Clinton on tribal or environmental issues, and expressed anger that the Obama administration has not halted the project. The Associated Press first reported his decision Friday.
Satiacum, 56, was picked as one of 12 Democratic electors at Washington’s Democratic Party convention this year in Tacoma — a gathering dominated by supporters of Sanders, who won the state’s caucuses in March.
While voters will cast the final ballots for presidential candidates Tuesday, the election is actually decided by 538 electors from the various states — with 270 needed to win. In all but two states, the winner of the popular vote is supposed to receive all of the state’s electors.
If no presidential candidate were to reach 270 electoral votes, the election would be thrown to the U.S. House of Representatives, which would pick from the top three electoral-college vote-getters.
The electors meet Dec. 19 at state capitols to cast the Electoral College ballots. There is no constitutional requirement they follow their states’ popular votes, but so-called “faithless electors” are a rarity and have never decided an election.
In Washington state, there is a $1,000 fine for electors who do not honor the election results.
Satiacum said that fine doesn’t bother him and that he could not face his six children and 10 grandchildren if he cast a vote for Clinton. He was also critical of Republican Donald Trump and said he doesn’t know what he’ll do with his vote.
Chiafalo, 37, said he believes state laws that impose fines or other punishments for electors who do not follow the popular vote are unconstitutional.
He plans to create a website to educate electors from all political parties about their rights. The point is to raise awareness about the Electoral College.
“I don’t think it’s anyone’s intention to try to do something crazy just to mix things up,” he said.
Chiafalo said he believes the U.S. should ditch the Electoral College system because it is outdated in a modern society, “but as long as it is the law of the land we need to be honest about it and respect it.”
Washington has seen a renegade elector before. In 1976, Mike Padden, now a state senator, cast his electoral-college vote for Ronald Reagan instead of Gerald Ford, the incumbent, who carried the state and already had defeated Reagan in the primaries.
Satiacum said he has been pressured by national tribal leaders and others to abide by the results of the vote in Washington state, where polls show Clinton has a wide lead over Trump.
He said he’s heard from a few other national Democratic electors who are considering joining him.
“We are looking down off the cliff. As humanity we are there. We cannot go four more years with either of these idiots,” he said.
The Puyallup Tribe is a major backer of Democrats and one of the state’s largest contributors to the Clinton campaign, having donated more than $460,000 to the Clinton Victory Fund.
Clinton visited the Puyallup reservation in March while campaigning ahead of the state’s caucuses. During a meeting with tribal leaders, she received a traditional blanket and an honorary Indian name meaning “strong woman.”
In a statement last month, the Puyallup Tribal Council distanced itself from Satiacum. While saying the tribe supported the “personal convictions” of Satiacum, the statement noted that as an elector he had pledged to cast his vote for the winner of the state’s popular vote.
Satiacum “risks dishonoring himself” by not fulfilling that duty, the council’s statement said.
Yes. They should get extra consideration. Their geography and way of life is different. And a democracy is not a democracy if it excludes you because of your geography or way of life.
Somebody's 'way of life' gives them extra benefits to our electoral process? Geography? Maybe at one time but we have the Internet now and nobody is going to bumfuck Arkansas to campaign anyway.
No because from the point of view of the democratic process, the Wyoming farmer needs as much chance at the election as a Manhattan worker, even if there are a lot more Manhattan workers than Wyoming farmers.
Nobody campaigns in New York thanks to the electoral college, what are you talking about? Hell, nobody campaigns in Wyoming either.
Yes they do.
Who?
Somebody's 'way of life' gives them extra benefits to our electoral process? Geography? Maybe at one time but we have the Internet now and nobody is going to bumfuck Arkansas to campaign anyway.
No because from the point of view of the democratic process, the Wyoming farmer needs as much chance at the election as a Manhattan worker, even if there are a lot more Manhattan workers than Wyoming farmers.
Nobody campaigns in New York thanks to the electoral college, what are you talking about? Hell, nobody campaigns in Wyoming either.
Yes they do.
Who?
Trump and Hillary were there as well as Sanders.
He needs to step aside. Being an electoral college voter is not a personal choice vote. He has to support the voice of Washiington, not his personal voice. And the voice of Washington is blue, not red.There may be hope for this state after all...I can respect Satiacum for standing up for what he believes in even if it's against the accepted norm.
1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit
1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit
One of Washington state’s Democratic presidential electors is vowing not to cast his Electoral College vote for Hillary Clinton — even if she wins the state handily on Election Day. Another elector says he is considering withholding his vote.
“No, no, no on Hillary. Absolutely not. No way,” said Robert Satiacum, a member of Washington’s Puyallup Tribe who had supported Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders as the Democratic presidential nominee.
He had earlier told various media outlets he was wrestling with whether his conscience would allow him to support Clinton and was considering stepping aside for an alternate elector. But on Friday, he sounded firm, even if the election is close.
Bret Chiafalo, a Democratic elector from Everett who is also a Sanders supporter, said he is considering exercising his right to be a “conscientious elector” and vote for the person he believes would be the best president.
“I have no specific plans, but I have not ruled out that possibility,” he said.
Satiacum is more adamant.
Speaking with The Seattle Times by phone from the site of protests against the Dakota Access Pipeline, he said he did not trust Clinton on tribal or environmental issues, and expressed anger that the Obama administration has not halted the project. The Associated Press first reported his decision Friday.
Satiacum, 56, was picked as one of 12 Democratic electors at Washington’s Democratic Party convention this year in Tacoma — a gathering dominated by supporters of Sanders, who won the state’s caucuses in March.
While voters will cast the final ballots for presidential candidates Tuesday, the election is actually decided by 538 electors from the various states — with 270 needed to win. In all but two states, the winner of the popular vote is supposed to receive all of the state’s electors.
If no presidential candidate were to reach 270 electoral votes, the election would be thrown to the U.S. House of Representatives, which would pick from the top three electoral-college vote-getters.
The electors meet Dec. 19 at state capitols to cast the Electoral College ballots. There is no constitutional requirement they follow their states’ popular votes, but so-called “faithless electors” are a rarity and have never decided an election.
In Washington state, there is a $1,000 fine for electors who do not honor the election results.
Satiacum said that fine doesn’t bother him and that he could not face his six children and 10 grandchildren if he cast a vote for Clinton. He was also critical of Republican Donald Trump and said he doesn’t know what he’ll do with his vote.
Chiafalo, 37, said he believes state laws that impose fines or other punishments for electors who do not follow the popular vote are unconstitutional.
He plans to create a website to educate electors from all political parties about their rights. The point is to raise awareness about the Electoral College.
“I don’t think it’s anyone’s intention to try to do something crazy just to mix things up,” he said.
Chiafalo said he believes the U.S. should ditch the Electoral College system because it is outdated in a modern society, “but as long as it is the law of the land we need to be honest about it and respect it.”
Washington has seen a renegade elector before. In 1976, Mike Padden, now a state senator, cast his electoral-college vote for Ronald Reagan instead of Gerald Ford, the incumbent, who carried the state and already had defeated Reagan in the primaries.
Satiacum said he has been pressured by national tribal leaders and others to abide by the results of the vote in Washington state, where polls show Clinton has a wide lead over Trump.
He said he’s heard from a few other national Democratic electors who are considering joining him.
“We are looking down off the cliff. As humanity we are there. We cannot go four more years with either of these idiots,” he said.
The Puyallup Tribe is a major backer of Democrats and one of the state’s largest contributors to the Clinton campaign, having donated more than $460,000 to the Clinton Victory Fund.
Clinton visited the Puyallup reservation in March while campaigning ahead of the state’s caucuses. During a meeting with tribal leaders, she received a traditional blanket and an honorary Indian name meaning “strong woman.”
In a statement last month, the Puyallup Tribal Council distanced itself from Satiacum. While saying the tribe supported the “personal convictions” of Satiacum, the statement noted that as an elector he had pledged to cast his vote for the winner of the state’s popular vote.
Satiacum “risks dishonoring himself” by not fulfilling that duty, the council’s statement said.
There may be hope for this state after all...I can respect Satiacum for standing up for what he believes in even if it's against the accepted norm.
1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit
1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit
One of Washington state’s Democratic presidential electors is vowing not to cast his Electoral College vote for Hillary Clinton — even if she wins the state handily on Election Day. Another elector says he is considering withholding his vote.
“No, no, no on Hillary. Absolutely not. No way,” said Robert Satiacum, a member of Washington’s Puyallup Tribe who had supported Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders as the Democratic presidential nominee.
He had earlier told various media outlets he was wrestling with whether his conscience would allow him to support Clinton and was considering stepping aside for an alternate elector. But on Friday, he sounded firm, even if the election is close.
Bret Chiafalo, a Democratic elector from Everett who is also a Sanders supporter, said he is considering exercising his right to be a “conscientious elector” and vote for the person he believes would be the best president.
“I have no specific plans, but I have not ruled out that possibility,” he said.
Satiacum is more adamant.
Speaking with The Seattle Times by phone from the site of protests against the Dakota Access Pipeline, he said he did not trust Clinton on tribal or environmental issues, and expressed anger that the Obama administration has not halted the project. The Associated Press first reported his decision Friday.
Satiacum, 56, was picked as one of 12 Democratic electors at Washington’s Democratic Party convention this year in Tacoma — a gathering dominated by supporters of Sanders, who won the state’s caucuses in March.
While voters will cast the final ballots for presidential candidates Tuesday, the election is actually decided by 538 electors from the various states — with 270 needed to win. In all but two states, the winner of the popular vote is supposed to receive all of the state’s electors.
If no presidential candidate were to reach 270 electoral votes, the election would be thrown to the U.S. House of Representatives, which would pick from the top three electoral-college vote-getters.
The electors meet Dec. 19 at state capitols to cast the Electoral College ballots. There is no constitutional requirement they follow their states’ popular votes, but so-called “faithless electors” are a rarity and have never decided an election.
In Washington state, there is a $1,000 fine for electors who do not honor the election results.
Satiacum said that fine doesn’t bother him and that he could not face his six children and 10 grandchildren if he cast a vote for Clinton. He was also critical of Republican Donald Trump and said he doesn’t know what he’ll do with his vote.
Chiafalo, 37, said he believes state laws that impose fines or other punishments for electors who do not follow the popular vote are unconstitutional.
He plans to create a website to educate electors from all political parties about their rights. The point is to raise awareness about the Electoral College.
“I don’t think it’s anyone’s intention to try to do something crazy just to mix things up,” he said.
Chiafalo said he believes the U.S. should ditch the Electoral College system because it is outdated in a modern society, “but as long as it is the law of the land we need to be honest about it and respect it.”
Washington has seen a renegade elector before. In 1976, Mike Padden, now a state senator, cast his electoral-college vote for Ronald Reagan instead of Gerald Ford, the incumbent, who carried the state and already had defeated Reagan in the primaries.
Satiacum said he has been pressured by national tribal leaders and others to abide by the results of the vote in Washington state, where polls show Clinton has a wide lead over Trump.
He said he’s heard from a few other national Democratic electors who are considering joining him.
“We are looking down off the cliff. As humanity we are there. We cannot go four more years with either of these idiots,” he said.
The Puyallup Tribe is a major backer of Democrats and one of the state’s largest contributors to the Clinton campaign, having donated more than $460,000 to the Clinton Victory Fund.
Clinton visited the Puyallup reservation in March while campaigning ahead of the state’s caucuses. During a meeting with tribal leaders, she received a traditional blanket and an honorary Indian name meaning “strong woman.”
In a statement last month, the Puyallup Tribal Council distanced itself from Satiacum. While saying the tribe supported the “personal convictions” of Satiacum, the statement noted that as an elector he had pledged to cast his vote for the winner of the state’s popular vote.
Satiacum “risks dishonoring himself” by not fulfilling that duty, the council’s statement said.
No because from the point of view of the democratic process, the Wyoming farmer needs as much chance at the election as a Manhattan worker, even if there are a lot more Manhattan workers than Wyoming farmers.
Nobody campaigns in New York thanks to the electoral college, what are you talking about? Hell, nobody campaigns in Wyoming either.
Yes they do.
Who?
Trump and Hillary were there as well as Sanders.
When?
There may be hope for this state after all...I can respect Satiacum for standing up for what he believes in even if it's against the accepted norm.
1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit
1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit
One of Washington state’s Democratic presidential electors is vowing not to cast his Electoral College vote for Hillary Clinton — even if she wins the state handily on Election Day. Another elector says he is considering withholding his vote.
“No, no, no on Hillary. Absolutely not. No way,” said Robert Satiacum, a member of Washington’s Puyallup Tribe who had supported Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders as the Democratic presidential nominee.
He had earlier told various media outlets he was wrestling with whether his conscience would allow him to support Clinton and was considering stepping aside for an alternate elector. But on Friday, he sounded firm, even if the election is close.
Bret Chiafalo, a Democratic elector from Everett who is also a Sanders supporter, said he is considering exercising his right to be a “conscientious elector” and vote for the person he believes would be the best president.
“I have no specific plans, but I have not ruled out that possibility,” he said.
Satiacum is more adamant.
Speaking with The Seattle Times by phone from the site of protests against the Dakota Access Pipeline, he said he did not trust Clinton on tribal or environmental issues, and expressed anger that the Obama administration has not halted the project. The Associated Press first reported his decision Friday.
Satiacum, 56, was picked as one of 12 Democratic electors at Washington’s Democratic Party convention this year in Tacoma — a gathering dominated by supporters of Sanders, who won the state’s caucuses in March.
While voters will cast the final ballots for presidential candidates Tuesday, the election is actually decided by 538 electors from the various states — with 270 needed to win. In all but two states, the winner of the popular vote is supposed to receive all of the state’s electors.
If no presidential candidate were to reach 270 electoral votes, the election would be thrown to the U.S. House of Representatives, which would pick from the top three electoral-college vote-getters.
The electors meet Dec. 19 at state capitols to cast the Electoral College ballots. There is no constitutional requirement they follow their states’ popular votes, but so-called “faithless electors” are a rarity and have never decided an election.
In Washington state, there is a $1,000 fine for electors who do not honor the election results.
Satiacum said that fine doesn’t bother him and that he could not face his six children and 10 grandchildren if he cast a vote for Clinton. He was also critical of Republican Donald Trump and said he doesn’t know what he’ll do with his vote.
Chiafalo, 37, said he believes state laws that impose fines or other punishments for electors who do not follow the popular vote are unconstitutional.
He plans to create a website to educate electors from all political parties about their rights. The point is to raise awareness about the Electoral College.
“I don’t think it’s anyone’s intention to try to do something crazy just to mix things up,” he said.
Chiafalo said he believes the U.S. should ditch the Electoral College system because it is outdated in a modern society, “but as long as it is the law of the land we need to be honest about it and respect it.”
Washington has seen a renegade elector before. In 1976, Mike Padden, now a state senator, cast his electoral-college vote for Ronald Reagan instead of Gerald Ford, the incumbent, who carried the state and already had defeated Reagan in the primaries.
Satiacum said he has been pressured by national tribal leaders and others to abide by the results of the vote in Washington state, where polls show Clinton has a wide lead over Trump.
He said he’s heard from a few other national Democratic electors who are considering joining him.
“We are looking down off the cliff. As humanity we are there. We cannot go four more years with either of these idiots,” he said.
The Puyallup Tribe is a major backer of Democrats and one of the state’s largest contributors to the Clinton campaign, having donated more than $460,000 to the Clinton Victory Fund.
Clinton visited the Puyallup reservation in March while campaigning ahead of the state’s caucuses. During a meeting with tribal leaders, she received a traditional blanket and an honorary Indian name meaning “strong woman.”
In a statement last month, the Puyallup Tribal Council distanced itself from Satiacum. While saying the tribe supported the “personal convictions” of Satiacum, the statement noted that as an elector he had pledged to cast his vote for the winner of the state’s popular vote.
Satiacum “risks dishonoring himself” by not fulfilling that duty, the council’s statement said.
Let's hope, he won't "commit suicide" before he actually has to vote.
Another low information Trump supporter. You don't understand the electoral college. And the vote in Washington is not even close. I'm from Washington: it's a deeply blue state. This guy has no right to vote his personal choice.He needs to step aside. Being an electoral college voter is not a personal choice vote. He has to support the voice of Washiington, not his personal voice. And the voice of Washington is blue, not red.There may be hope for this state after all...I can respect Satiacum for standing up for what he believes in even if it's against the accepted norm.
1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit
1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit
One of Washington state’s Democratic presidential electors is vowing not to cast his Electoral College vote for Hillary Clinton — even if she wins the state handily on Election Day. Another elector says he is considering withholding his vote.
“No, no, no on Hillary. Absolutely not. No way,” said Robert Satiacum, a member of Washington’s Puyallup Tribe who had supported Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders as the Democratic presidential nominee.
He had earlier told various media outlets he was wrestling with whether his conscience would allow him to support Clinton and was considering stepping aside for an alternate elector. But on Friday, he sounded firm, even if the election is close.
Bret Chiafalo, a Democratic elector from Everett who is also a Sanders supporter, said he is considering exercising his right to be a “conscientious elector” and vote for the person he believes would be the best president.
“I have no specific plans, but I have not ruled out that possibility,” he said.
Satiacum is more adamant.
Speaking with The Seattle Times by phone from the site of protests against the Dakota Access Pipeline, he said he did not trust Clinton on tribal or environmental issues, and expressed anger that the Obama administration has not halted the project. The Associated Press first reported his decision Friday.
Satiacum, 56, was picked as one of 12 Democratic electors at Washington’s Democratic Party convention this year in Tacoma — a gathering dominated by supporters of Sanders, who won the state’s caucuses in March.
While voters will cast the final ballots for presidential candidates Tuesday, the election is actually decided by 538 electors from the various states — with 270 needed to win. In all but two states, the winner of the popular vote is supposed to receive all of the state’s electors.
If no presidential candidate were to reach 270 electoral votes, the election would be thrown to the U.S. House of Representatives, which would pick from the top three electoral-college vote-getters.
The electors meet Dec. 19 at state capitols to cast the Electoral College ballots. There is no constitutional requirement they follow their states’ popular votes, but so-called “faithless electors” are a rarity and have never decided an election.
In Washington state, there is a $1,000 fine for electors who do not honor the election results.
Satiacum said that fine doesn’t bother him and that he could not face his six children and 10 grandchildren if he cast a vote for Clinton. He was also critical of Republican Donald Trump and said he doesn’t know what he’ll do with his vote.
Chiafalo, 37, said he believes state laws that impose fines or other punishments for electors who do not follow the popular vote are unconstitutional.
He plans to create a website to educate electors from all political parties about their rights. The point is to raise awareness about the Electoral College.
“I don’t think it’s anyone’s intention to try to do something crazy just to mix things up,” he said.
Chiafalo said he believes the U.S. should ditch the Electoral College system because it is outdated in a modern society, “but as long as it is the law of the land we need to be honest about it and respect it.”
Washington has seen a renegade elector before. In 1976, Mike Padden, now a state senator, cast his electoral-college vote for Ronald Reagan instead of Gerald Ford, the incumbent, who carried the state and already had defeated Reagan in the primaries.
Satiacum said he has been pressured by national tribal leaders and others to abide by the results of the vote in Washington state, where polls show Clinton has a wide lead over Trump.
He said he’s heard from a few other national Democratic electors who are considering joining him.
“We are looking down off the cliff. As humanity we are there. We cannot go four more years with either of these idiots,” he said.
The Puyallup Tribe is a major backer of Democrats and one of the state’s largest contributors to the Clinton campaign, having donated more than $460,000 to the Clinton Victory Fund.
Clinton visited the Puyallup reservation in March while campaigning ahead of the state’s caucuses. During a meeting with tribal leaders, she received a traditional blanket and an honorary Indian name meaning “strong woman.”
In a statement last month, the Puyallup Tribal Council distanced itself from Satiacum. While saying the tribe supported the “personal convictions” of Satiacum, the statement noted that as an elector he had pledged to cast his vote for the winner of the state’s popular vote.
Satiacum “risks dishonoring himself” by not fulfilling that duty, the council’s statement said.
Find that rule where he has to support the majority.
That is not freedom.
Nobody campaigns in New York thanks to the electoral college, what are you talking about? Hell, nobody campaigns in Wyoming either.
Yes they do.
Who?
Trump and Hillary were there as well as Sanders.
When?
How about you looking the dates up as to when.
It's easy to do your own research.
My husband just informed me that Obama, the president of the united states, is telling illegals to go vote for Clinton...
Isn't that lovely.
(looking for full clip - got report now)
Meh the first one was better
Another low information Trump supporter. You don't understand the electoral college. And the vote in Washington is not even close. I'm from Washington: it's a deeply blue state. This guy has no right to vote his personal choice.He needs to step aside. Being an electoral college voter is not a personal choice vote. He has to support the voice of Washiington, not his personal voice. And the voice of Washington is blue, not red.There may be hope for this state after all...I can respect Satiacum for standing up for what he believes in even if it's against the accepted norm.
1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit
1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit
One of Washington state’s Democratic presidential electors is vowing not to cast his Electoral College vote for Hillary Clinton — even if she wins the state handily on Election Day. Another elector says he is considering withholding his vote.
“No, no, no on Hillary. Absolutely not. No way,” said Robert Satiacum, a member of Washington’s Puyallup Tribe who had supported Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders as the Democratic presidential nominee.
He had earlier told various media outlets he was wrestling with whether his conscience would allow him to support Clinton and was considering stepping aside for an alternate elector. But on Friday, he sounded firm, even if the election is close.
Bret Chiafalo, a Democratic elector from Everett who is also a Sanders supporter, said he is considering exercising his right to be a “conscientious elector” and vote for the person he believes would be the best president.
“I have no specific plans, but I have not ruled out that possibility,” he said.
Satiacum is more adamant.
Speaking with The Seattle Times by phone from the site of protests against the Dakota Access Pipeline, he said he did not trust Clinton on tribal or environmental issues, and expressed anger that the Obama administration has not halted the project. The Associated Press first reported his decision Friday.
Satiacum, 56, was picked as one of 12 Democratic electors at Washington’s Democratic Party convention this year in Tacoma — a gathering dominated by supporters of Sanders, who won the state’s caucuses in March.
While voters will cast the final ballots for presidential candidates Tuesday, the election is actually decided by 538 electors from the various states — with 270 needed to win. In all but two states, the winner of the popular vote is supposed to receive all of the state’s electors.
If no presidential candidate were to reach 270 electoral votes, the election would be thrown to the U.S. House of Representatives, which would pick from the top three electoral-college vote-getters.
The electors meet Dec. 19 at state capitols to cast the Electoral College ballots. There is no constitutional requirement they follow their states’ popular votes, but so-called “faithless electors” are a rarity and have never decided an election.
In Washington state, there is a $1,000 fine for electors who do not honor the election results.
Satiacum said that fine doesn’t bother him and that he could not face his six children and 10 grandchildren if he cast a vote for Clinton. He was also critical of Republican Donald Trump and said he doesn’t know what he’ll do with his vote.
Chiafalo, 37, said he believes state laws that impose fines or other punishments for electors who do not follow the popular vote are unconstitutional.
He plans to create a website to educate electors from all political parties about their rights. The point is to raise awareness about the Electoral College.
“I don’t think it’s anyone’s intention to try to do something crazy just to mix things up,” he said.
Chiafalo said he believes the U.S. should ditch the Electoral College system because it is outdated in a modern society, “but as long as it is the law of the land we need to be honest about it and respect it.”
Washington has seen a renegade elector before. In 1976, Mike Padden, now a state senator, cast his electoral-college vote for Ronald Reagan instead of Gerald Ford, the incumbent, who carried the state and already had defeated Reagan in the primaries.
Satiacum said he has been pressured by national tribal leaders and others to abide by the results of the vote in Washington state, where polls show Clinton has a wide lead over Trump.
He said he’s heard from a few other national Democratic electors who are considering joining him.
“We are looking down off the cliff. As humanity we are there. We cannot go four more years with either of these idiots,” he said.
The Puyallup Tribe is a major backer of Democrats and one of the state’s largest contributors to the Clinton campaign, having donated more than $460,000 to the Clinton Victory Fund.
Clinton visited the Puyallup reservation in March while campaigning ahead of the state’s caucuses. During a meeting with tribal leaders, she received a traditional blanket and an honorary Indian name meaning “strong woman.”
In a statement last month, the Puyallup Tribal Council distanced itself from Satiacum. While saying the tribe supported the “personal convictions” of Satiacum, the statement noted that as an elector he had pledged to cast his vote for the winner of the state’s popular vote.
Satiacum “risks dishonoring himself” by not fulfilling that duty, the council’s statement said.
Find that rule where he has to support the majority.
That is not freedom.
Yes they do.
Who?
Trump and Hillary were there as well as Sanders.
When?
How about you looking the dates up as to when.
It's easy to do your own research.
Because you were attempting to make a point and you're about to really screw up so I thought it'd be best if I just get out of the way as much as possible and let you do just that.
When?
How about you looking the dates up as to when.
It's easy to do your own research.
Because you were attempting to make a point and you're about to really screw up so I thought it'd be best if I just get out of the way as much as possible and let you do just that.
Really?
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Bullshit. You know nothing. You re an ignorant twit. I know he can vote anyway he wants, but I also know that ethically he shouldn't. He should step aside. It's my state and he is ethically obligated to vote with the majority vote.Another low information Trump supporter. You don't understand the electoral college. And the vote in Washington is not even close. I'm from Washington: it's a deeply blue state. This guy has no right to vote his personal choice.He needs to step aside. Being an electoral college voter is not a personal choice vote. He has to support the voice of Washiington, not his personal voice. And the voice of Washington is blue, not red.There may be hope for this state after all...I can respect Satiacum for standing up for what he believes in even if it's against the accepted norm.
1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit
1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit
One of Washington state’s Democratic presidential electors is vowing not to cast his Electoral College vote for Hillary Clinton — even if she wins the state handily on Election Day. Another elector says he is considering withholding his vote.
“No, no, no on Hillary. Absolutely not. No way,” said Robert Satiacum, a member of Washington’s Puyallup Tribe who had supported Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders as the Democratic presidential nominee.
He had earlier told various media outlets he was wrestling with whether his conscience would allow him to support Clinton and was considering stepping aside for an alternate elector. But on Friday, he sounded firm, even if the election is close.
Bret Chiafalo, a Democratic elector from Everett who is also a Sanders supporter, said he is considering exercising his right to be a “conscientious elector” and vote for the person he believes would be the best president.
“I have no specific plans, but I have not ruled out that possibility,” he said.
Satiacum is more adamant.
Speaking with The Seattle Times by phone from the site of protests against the Dakota Access Pipeline, he said he did not trust Clinton on tribal or environmental issues, and expressed anger that the Obama administration has not halted the project. The Associated Press first reported his decision Friday.
Satiacum, 56, was picked as one of 12 Democratic electors at Washington’s Democratic Party convention this year in Tacoma — a gathering dominated by supporters of Sanders, who won the state’s caucuses in March.
While voters will cast the final ballots for presidential candidates Tuesday, the election is actually decided by 538 electors from the various states — with 270 needed to win. In all but two states, the winner of the popular vote is supposed to receive all of the state’s electors.
If no presidential candidate were to reach 270 electoral votes, the election would be thrown to the U.S. House of Representatives, which would pick from the top three electoral-college vote-getters.
The electors meet Dec. 19 at state capitols to cast the Electoral College ballots. There is no constitutional requirement they follow their states’ popular votes, but so-called “faithless electors” are a rarity and have never decided an election.
In Washington state, there is a $1,000 fine for electors who do not honor the election results.
Satiacum said that fine doesn’t bother him and that he could not face his six children and 10 grandchildren if he cast a vote for Clinton. He was also critical of Republican Donald Trump and said he doesn’t know what he’ll do with his vote.
Chiafalo, 37, said he believes state laws that impose fines or other punishments for electors who do not follow the popular vote are unconstitutional.
He plans to create a website to educate electors from all political parties about their rights. The point is to raise awareness about the Electoral College.
“I don’t think it’s anyone’s intention to try to do something crazy just to mix things up,” he said.
Chiafalo said he believes the U.S. should ditch the Electoral College system because it is outdated in a modern society, “but as long as it is the law of the land we need to be honest about it and respect it.”
Washington has seen a renegade elector before. In 1976, Mike Padden, now a state senator, cast his electoral-college vote for Ronald Reagan instead of Gerald Ford, the incumbent, who carried the state and already had defeated Reagan in the primaries.
Satiacum said he has been pressured by national tribal leaders and others to abide by the results of the vote in Washington state, where polls show Clinton has a wide lead over Trump.
He said he’s heard from a few other national Democratic electors who are considering joining him.
“We are looking down off the cliff. As humanity we are there. We cannot go four more years with either of these idiots,” he said.
The Puyallup Tribe is a major backer of Democrats and one of the state’s largest contributors to the Clinton campaign, having donated more than $460,000 to the Clinton Victory Fund.
Clinton visited the Puyallup reservation in March while campaigning ahead of the state’s caucuses. During a meeting with tribal leaders, she received a traditional blanket and an honorary Indian name meaning “strong woman.”
In a statement last month, the Puyallup Tribal Council distanced itself from Satiacum. While saying the tribe supported the “personal convictions” of Satiacum, the statement noted that as an elector he had pledged to cast his vote for the winner of the state’s popular vote.
Satiacum “risks dishonoring himself” by not fulfilling that duty, the council’s statement said.
Find that rule where he has to support the majority.
That is not freedom.
I know more and understand the E. C. than you do which is obvious.
What you want is against individual freedom of voting.
To bad you can't see that.
