Election Reform and the Spoiler Effect

[JoeB131]

Then you’re pro voter ID and anti mail in ballots?

Nope, not at all.

I'm all for anything that increases voter participation.

RCV, on the other hand, is a convoluted way to conduct elections.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Nope, not at all.

I'm all for anything that increases voter participation.

RCV, on the other hand, is a convoluted way to conduct elections.

So you don’t care if there is a min age? That would increase participations. I see.

 

[dblack]

Mmm-hmm...so the voters of the SB’s 2nd choice determine who wins then, right?

Uh... no. Under RCV, the preferences of all the voters are considered, and the candidate with the most overall support wins. No one's votes are "wasted".

 

[JoeB131]

So you don’t care if there is a min age? That would increase participations. I see.

Minimum age is established in the Constitution.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Minimum age is established in the Constitution.

And? So is the right of citizens to vote

How do we verify it’s actually the citizen?

 

[JoeB131]

And? So is the right of citizens to vote

How do we verify it’s actually the citizen?

Check the voter rolls.

That's how we do it in IL, no ID Required.

Oh, the line for early voting, STILL around the building on day 10 of early voting.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Check the voter rolls.

That's how we do it in IL, no ID Required.

Oh, the line for early voting, STILL around the building on day 10 of early voting.

Same in MA. So I can go and say I am my dad and no one would know the difference. Pretty dumb

Your state is deep blue. Why do you bother?

 

[JoeB131]

Same in MA. So I can go and say I am my dad and no one would know the difference. Pretty dumb

Your state is deep blue. Why do you bother?

Mostly,, because I spent 11 years of my life protecting freedom. I doubt it's a concept you'd understand.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Mostly,, because I spent 11 years of my life protecting freedom. I doubt it's a concept you'd understand.

Way to dodge. Why do you bother? Your vote is meaningless

 

[JoeB131]

Way to dodge. Why do you bother? Your vote is meaningless

Again, I'm not a nihlist like you are... so there's that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There was a runoff. And in that runoff Peltola got the majority of the votes. That's what each step of ranked choice voting IS, a runoff. At each step, if no candidate gets a majority, the candidates with the lowest vote totals are dropped from the ballot and a runoff is counted using the voters rankings. When Begich was eliminated, many of his voters chose Peltola over Palin. Enough to give her the majority.

Republicans seem to be fixating on the fact that more voters voted for a Republican in the first round. And therefore, they say, Republicans should win the election. But voters don't vote for parties, they vote for candidates. You are assuming all the Belich voters would have voted for Palin if she were the only Republican running. But the rankings clearly show that was not the case.

The majority of the voters thought Peltola was better than Palin. That's why she won and Palin lost.

Therein lies the problem. You believe the lies. There was no runoff. They don't exist in RCV. You are so full of shit you are starting to stink up this thread so badly no one can stand to be here! You simply do not understand the process in the first place and then you misunderstand the impact. I feel so sorry for someone so stupid.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What makes you say that they are "clearly not the best ballclub"? The only way the Bananas can win is if a majority of voters think they are better than the Yankees AND a majority of voters think they are better than the Dodgers. That's a consensus. That's a good thing.

The whole point of ranked choice voting is to avoid situations where the majority of the country opposes its leadership. In your example, if either the Yankees or the Dodgers were declared the best, more than half the voters would disagree. More than half the voters thought the Bananas were better. That's not such a big deal with a baseball team, but it's a bad idea for a government. It's unstable and guarantees most voters will be dissatisfied with their leaders.

RCV all but guarantees that the majority will be dissatisfied. You don't think the vast majority of conservatives in Alaska are pissed off that a Democrat won?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The opponents of RCV are just fine with the status quo: Tribalism. Even though it's killing us.

Tribalism is caused by RCV. You liberals always have your definitions screwed up.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Again, I'm not a nihlist like you are... so there's that.

So you believe your vote makes a difference in deep blue IL? That’s not be being a nihilist

 

[dblack]

Therein lies the problem. You believe the lies. There was no runoff. They don't exist in RCV. You are so full of shit you are starting to stink up this thread so badly no one can stand to be here! You simply do not understand the process in the first place and then you misunderstand the impact. I feel so sorry for someone so stupid.

mkay

 

[dblack]

RCV all but guarantees that the majority will be dissatisfied. You don't think the vast majority of conservatives in Alaska are pissed off that a Democrat won?

Not the ones who voted for Peltola.

See, what you really don't want to admit is that the majority of voters preferred the Democrat over Palin. You can stick your head back up your ass and deny that, but the fact won't go away. Your problem with RCV is that it works.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Check the voter rolls.

That's how we do it in IL, no ID Required.

Oh, the line for early voting, STILL around the building on day 10 of early voting.

Me: "Hi, I'd like to vote. My name is JoeB131."

Clerk: "Thank you, sir! Here is your ballot. Please proceed to the voting booth."

Is that how it works? Is it that simple to cheat?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Not the ones that ones for Peltola. The problem with your complaints is that the majority of voters preferred the Democrat over Palin. You stick your head back up your ass and deny that, but the fact won't go away.

The conservatives didn't want her elected because they voted for the two Republicans. My God, you are thick in the head! You make up lies because you cannot justify your love of an unfair system. In an ideal world RCV would work, but we don't live there.

 

[dblack]

The conservatives didn't want her elected because they voted for the two Republicans.

7460 of Begich supporters wanted Peltola over Palin. Maybe they weren't "really" conservatives in the first place, but when it came time to rank, they put Palin at the bottom - below Peltola. That's the inconvenient fact that is bouncing off your head.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

7460 of Begich supporters wanted Peltola over Palin. Maybe they weren't "really" conservatives in the first place, but when it came time to rank, they put Palin at the bottom - below Peltola. That's the inconvenient fact that is bouncing off your head.

If those voters had only the choice to vote for Palin, they might well have voted for her in a Republican primary. RCV makes an assumption of that. I really wish you would research this further so you can educate yourself why the RCV system fails to meet the smell test every time.