Education Dept. : BDS activity against Israel will be defined as anti-Semitism

[Hollie]

This is not the issue, no one said it was,
it becomes hate speech when one denies the Jewish people right to self determination, and uses double standards to attack Israeli policies otherwise not used against other countries.

But at the least it has to start with the basic acknowledgment of the boldest antisemitic rhetoric and imagery used in the BDS ranks. Is it going to be denial?

Everybody has a right to self determination. Well, except for non-Jewish people in Israel now.

Same is Arab-Palestine, both of them, run by Sharia courts, but You have no problem with that.
This is called double standard, not used against any other nation but Israel, exactly what was expressed in the article, hence the Education Dept. move against the hate speech.

BDS is the Palestinian's call to end the occupation.

Israel singles itself out by being the only one in that category.

Actually, BDS is just another expression of Jew hatred that has a 1400 year old history in Islamism.

So, who else occupies Palestine?

What other hate and war manual, your Korans, has explicit references to Jew hatreds?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: BDS activity against Israel will be defined as anti-Semitism
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

As Professor Chomsky says, the BDS Movement is a "tactic." The BDS Movement has nothing to do with the principles behind which the Palestinians are helped. The objective of the BDS Movement is to inflict economic damage to Israel and a platform by which the spread irresponsible charges and complex accusations about the (Israeli - Palestinian) conflict in such a manner by sketching the Arab Palestinian angelic like a victim and painting the Israelis as a demonic and sinister entity creeping across the territorial landscape dispensing cruel and unjust treatment (as if the Arab Palestinians have never given Israel just cause for the for Article 43 HR action).

Nor does the BDS Movement support the principles of international law concerning friendly relations and co-operation among States. There is absolutely no attempt by the political opponents to try and pursue in good faith negotiations for the settlement of their international disputes.

What do you mean by that?

(COMMENT)

"Good faith is fair and open dealing in human interactions. This is often thought to require sincere, honest intentions or belief, regardless of the outcome of an action." (Wikipedia)

The BDS Movement supports accusatory actions technically untrue. It suggests that the Physical Security Barriers between Israel and the West Bank - or - Israel and the Gaza Strip are a form of "apartheid." The BDS Movement could allege that the barrier separates through conflict two cultures → the Arab and the Israeli (albeit one more Middle Eastern and one more western); BUT! the barrier does not represent a separation between "races" or "religions." The BDS Movement uses this false accusation (like "Apartheid) to draw out the sympathy of the audience. But by advancing the idea that territorial separations are the same as "apartheid" only diminishes the validity of such a program when the audience learns that the accusation is used in an improper fashion (children using words they don't understand).

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"The crime of apartheid" means inhumane acts ... committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over another racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime;​

It is an example of misinformation to invoke a negative emotion.

One more sub-point. The "Wall" - the physical security barrier is nothing more than the actualization of the right to sovereign territorial integrity.
On the second level, the BDS Movement is NOT an "advocacy" program for the Arab Palestinians. Nothing it does advocates the direct help of the (so-called) Arab Palestinian Victims. In fact, the BDS Movement may in some cases, actually wound the Arab Palestinians. The Company "Sodastream" laid-off 500 Arab Palestinian employees. (Lost Employment Opportunities!)

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Was the BDS Movement helpful in the cause of the Arab Palestinian people? (RHETORICAL) Did it help Ala al-Qabbani when he lost his job when Sodastream pulled-out of the West Bank? (RHETORICAL)

Finally, the BDS Movement claims to be an advocate, but supports "unrealistic" demands. The (so-called) "Right of Return" (RoR) is an example. The RoR is merely a masked demand for the destruction of the "Jewish National Home" (JNH) which is what the Arab-Israeli conflict is all about. The Arab Palestinian has not been able to destroy Israel from the outside

The manner and type of presentation of most BDS Activities are immediately to impress the audience that Israel is the principal cause of all problems facing the Arab Palestinians.

What problems do they have that are not related to Israel?

(COMMENT)

This is an "unreal" orbital question affected by the proximity of Israel. Most of the (Arab - Israeli) disputes are "related" to Israel. Even if I move to stipulate that ALL the problems experienced by the Arab Palestinian are "related to" Israel, that does not mean that Israel is the proximate cause of the troubles.

The BDS Movement, as it relates to the manner and type of presentation, wants to amplify the problems; not make outline solutions to the problem (how do we get from where we are to where we want to be). And where is the preverbal → "where we want to be?" (RHETORICAL)

The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history,
that they will never submit or yield to any power
going to Palestine to enforce partition.
The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.
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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

BDS activity against Israel on campus will be defined as anti-Semitism
In the decision taken by Obama, it was determined that Judaism is a religion only, but the Trump administration changes the definition and determines that Judaism is also an ethnic origin. Meaning: Anti-Israel activity will be considered anti-Semitism in the US.
Pro-Palestinian activists warn: the move will significantly harm our activities.

This is a significant change from the days of the Obama administration, when Judaism was defined as a religion only and therefore it could be fought without this being a violation of the law against anti-Semitism.The new definition means that opposition to Zionism will be considered anti-Semitic.

According to Marcus's letter to the American Zionist Organization, anyone who acts to "negate the right of the Jewish people to self-determination, on the grounds that the existence of the State of Israel is a racist act," will be considered an anti-Semite, Other pro-Palestinian activists in the US are already warning that the new move will harm the Palestinian cause and that virtually all such activity will be defined as anti-Semitic.
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/586301

I remember asking a BDS activist here on the forum, 'why is it so difficult for the organization to deal with the open anti-semitism in the rhetoric of their leaders and followers?'
For an organization attempting so hard to draw an image of activism for 'human rights' , this should have been a most natural issue to deal according to accepted norms. However even when brought against the most vile examples among their ranks they have strangely refused to even face the issue, failing to see how it works against Palestinians and the BDS movement itself.

These tactics and strategy of non-cooperation and denial, have failed the Arabs for more than a century,
now that they've copied this failure on the global stage, they still refuse to see the reason why they, even if unintentionally, always end up playing for the other field.

Q. Can BDS even start facing the antisemitism issue to begin with,
or is it going to be denial by default?

Meaning: Anti-Israel activity will be considered anti-Semitism in the US.

The rocket fire and attacks began to intensify after the Israelis unilaterally withdrew from Gaza.

The new rule is based on lies and runs afoul of the constitution.

I don't see how they can get this pig to fly.

What lies?
I didn't know hate speech is protected under US constitution.
But I do know that both the Anglo-American Convention (1924) and The Lodge-Fish Resolution (1922) confirm the irrevocable historic right of the Jewish nation to Palestine - under the constitution making it into US law.

Any attempt to negate the Jewish people's right to Palestine - Eretz Israel, and to deny them access and control in the area designated for the Jewish people by the League of Nations is an actionable infringement of both international law and the Supremacy Clause (Article VI, paragraph 2 of the United States Constitution), which dictates that Treaties "shall be the supreme Law of the Land".

Therefore most BDS activities can be viewed not only as antisemitic, targeting one single group around the world, but also as infringing upon basic US law and Constitution.

 

[Shusha]

Jews in Germany have as much right to self-determination as anybody else. In Israel, if a bunch of Jews, having the right to self-determination of course, decided to form a new nation smack in the middle of Israel; let’s say 500 square miles of land; could they do it?

Really? We are discussing NATIONAL self-determination here -- the right to create a State and have full sovereignty over territory. You think that a group of Chinese in San Francisco should be able to create their own nation there? And that Italians in New York City should be able to carve out a territory out of Manhattan and start their own country there?

Why not?

Because the Chinese have a national homeland where they have self-determination. And Italians have a national homeland where they have self-determination. Those national homelands are the places where that specific culture originated. That is where they hold the specific rights to a national self-determination.

 

[Shusha]

That’s how the UN created Israel. Israel has since established a theocracy and declared that Jews have special rights. They have a special right to self determination there, where as in Germany, for example, they have an equal right to self determination as anybody else.

Here we go with the ignorance. The UN did not "create" Israel. Israel declared independence just like every other State in the world. Israel is not a theocracy. And there is not a single law in Israel which gives Jews special rights -- all are equal.

All peoples have the right to self-determination, right? All peoples have a right to national self-determination, right? Where else if not in their historical homeland? Yes, the Jewish people have a special right to form their nation (State) in a specific territory BECAUSE it is their historical homeland.

Surely you are not going to argue that Arab Palestinians have a right to self-determination, but in Uganda or Brazil and not in Palestine, are you?

You equate “self-determination” with “national self-determination,” which is nonsense. The only “right” by which Israel was created was the same as every other nation. Some people picked some land and killed or evicted as many people as they needed to to hold that land.

Don’t make me laugh about everyone having the “same rights” either. Not everyone has the right of return, not everyone has a right to self-determibation, not everyone has the right to leave whenever they want to, not everyone has their home destroyed if a family member commits a crime, and on and on.

You don't seem to have a very good handle on what you mean by self-determination.

The Jewish people have a right to national self-determination (to form a State which represents and protects their particular culture, language, traditions and history) in their historical homeland. Yes or no?

The Arab Palestinian people have a right to national self-determination (to form a State which represents and protects their particular culture, language, traditions and history) in their historical homeland. Yes or no?

I say yes to both. Do you?

You don't.

See?! The extent of anti-Israel denial is so ridiculous, now you are telling me what I believe.

 

[Shusha]

Opposing the actions of Israel’s government is not anti-semitism.

We agree. Opposing the rights of the Jewish people and the State of Israel as expressed in identical ways by other ethnic and national Peoples IS anti-semitism, though

Here's a list of some BDS protest signs. Legitimate criticism of Israel's government actions or anti-semitism?

"Gaza is the current day Holocaust"
"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"
"Israel is an apartheid state"
"Resistance is a right"
"Jews are terrorists"
"Israel steals Palestinian water"
"911 was a Zionist job"
"Gaza is the Warsaw Ghetto"
"Israel: no right to exist"
"Everything about Israel is illegal"
"State of Israel terrorizing its neighbors and the whole world since 1948"
"Jews haven't learned they need Nazis more than before"
"Racist state"
"Israel is humanities number 1 enemy"
"If you are trying to humanize the oppressor, that's a problem"

Mostly true. Some are over the top.

Over the top?! So hate speech.

None of them are legitimate criticisms of Israel's government and her policies.

 

[Shusha]

Why is pointing out Israel's violations considered hate?

Pointing out Israel's violations is NOT hate. That is what we are trying to tell you.

Denying Israel's right to exist IS hate. (As is denying Israel's actual existence. That is both hate and ridiculous).
Rejecting the rights of the Jewish people is hate.
Demonizing Israel and Jews is hate.
Making false claims about Israel and Jews is hate.
Calling for "resistance" against Israelis or Jews is hate.
Drawing equivalencies between Israel or Jews and Nazis is hate.
Giving Israel and Jews false labels is hate.
Holding double standards for Jews and Israelis is hate.


BDS, at its core, is not protesting Israel's "violations", but its existence. But if you want to discuss some specific policies of Israel's government that BDS is protesting I'd be down with having the conversation.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Because the Chinese have a national homeland where they have self-determination. And Italians have a national homeland where they have self-determination.

Can Italians claim self determination in China?

 

[P F Tinmore]

BDS, at its core, is not protesting Israel's "violations", but its existence.

Israel's existence is a violation.

Look it up.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I didn't know hate speech is protected under US constitution.

The truth is not hate. It is protected by our constitution.

 

[Hollie]

BDS, at its core, is not protesting Israel's "violations", but its existence.

Israel's existence is a violation.

Look it up.

The core of the Islamist argument: the mere existence of Jews is an affront to Islam.

 

[Hollie]

I didn't know hate speech is protected under US constitution.

The truth is not hate. It is protected by our constitution.

“The Koran is our constitution.....” Gee whiz, where have I heard that before.

Oh, yeah. Now I remember.

“God is our Goal. The Prophet is our leader. The Quran is our constitution. Jihad is our way. Death in the service of God is the loftiest of our wishes. God is great, God is great.”

 

[member]

This is not the issue, no one said it was,
it becomes hate speech when one denies the Jewish people right to self determination, and uses double standards to attack Israeli policies otherwise not used against other countries.

But at the least it has to start with the basic acknowledgment of the boldest antisemitic rhetoric and imagery used in the BDS ranks. Is it going to be denial?

Everybody has a right to self determination. Well, except for non-Jewish people in Israel now.

Same is Arab-Palestine, both of them, but You have no problem with that.
This is called double standard, not used against any other nation but Israel, exactly what was expressed in the article, hence the Education Dept. move.

Oppression by religion is condemned across the 1st world except for 1 country.

Another lie. Christians have not been killed, beheaded by Arabs? Abbas didn’t state No Israelis in “ Palestine?”

Palestine is not the 1st world. They are under embargo and are not allowed to govern themselves. Also Arabs, Christians, and Jews kill eah other all the time going back thousands of years. I won’t have sympathy for your religious madness.

"Palestine is not the 1st world. They are under embargo and are not allowed to govern themselves..."

Govern themselves? ...terrorists aren't governing themselves...? they sure govern it good when it comes to conducting their... terrorism.



I feel bad for them in a way...

a sad picture of the "we ain't governing anything" officials.




on the other hand - you + sticking up for rotted [government] terrorists - pathetic. terrorists are terrorists.


they don't Govern......you know what they do.

 

[frigidweirdo]

BDS activity against Israel on campus will be defined as anti-Semitism
In the decision taken by Obama, it was determined that Judaism is a religion only, but the Trump administration changes the definition and determines that Judaism is also an ethnic origin. Meaning: Anti-Israel activity will be considered anti-Semitism in the US.
Pro-Palestinian activists warn: the move will significantly harm our activities.

This is a significant change from the days of the Obama administration, when Judaism was defined as a religion only and therefore it could be fought without this being a violation of the law against anti-Semitism.The new definition means that opposition to Zionism will be considered anti-Semitic.

According to Marcus's letter to the American Zionist Organization, anyone who acts to "negate the right of the Jewish people to self-determination, on the grounds that the existence of the State of Israel is a racist act," will be considered an anti-Semite, Other pro-Palestinian activists in the US are already warning that the new move will harm the Palestinian cause and that virtually all such activity will be defined as anti-Semitic.
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/586301

I remember asking a BDS activist here on the forum, 'why is it so difficult for the organization to deal with the open anti-semitism in the rhetoric of their leaders and followers?'
For an organization attempting so hard to draw an image of activism for 'human rights' , this should have been a most natural issue to deal according to accepted norms. However even when brought against the most vile examples among their ranks they have strangely refused to even face the issue, failing to see how it works against Palestinians and the BDS movement itself.

These tactics and strategy of non-cooperation and denial, have failed the Arabs for more than a century,
now that they've copied this failure on the global stage, they still refuse to see the reason why they, even if unintentionally, always end up playing for the other field.

Q. Can BDS even start facing the antisemitism issue to begin with,
or is it going to be denial by default?

Can someone tell these people that Palestinians are Semites.

 

[Shusha]

Israel's existence is a violation.

And THAT is hate speech.

 

[Shusha]

Because the Chinese have a national homeland where they have self-determination. And Italians have a national homeland where they have self-determination.

Can Italians claim self determination in China?

No.

 

[Shusha]

Can someone tell these people that Palestinians are Semites.

Maybe the same person can tell you the meaning of anti-semitism.

 

[USAF 2023]

Israel's existence is a violation.

And THAT is hate speech.

What did the U.N .” Violate?”

 

[member]

And another thing. Kick their lobby outta Washington, too. Why the heck does Israel have a lobby in the halls of Congress to influence the electorate's affairs anyway?

We've got millions of Americans living on the streets of our own nation, yet we're more interested in Israel's affairs and feels. Phhhht.

Priorities people...

"...And another thing…."


…Kick their lobby outta Washington, too. Why the heck does Israel have a lobby in the halls of Congress to influence the electorate's affairs anyway?



"We've got millions of Americans living on the streets of our own nation, yet we're more interested in Israel's affairs and feels."




"Phhhht."




Oh I’m all for that: let’s take care of the “less fortunate AMERICAN folk 1st.



There’s………a gazillion more “things” that deserve to be KICKED to the [wasted] curb, we’re the world’s welfare Headquarters. It’s - here you go Afghanistan, here’s 25 gazillion dollars AGAIN to build those bridges and .."your HUT village" that were blown up AGAIN…. It's: here you go illegal mexican moocher…do nothing all day – we’ll pay for it.




I guess we all have our own personal lists of ….wasted tax dollars…..

"Priorities people..."



....phhht

 

[Tilly]

Repost with info:

There’s a Facebook page from a company that imports products from Israel to counter the BDS bull shit. You pay monthly and receive products from small businesses and companies in Israel. I got my first box on Monday and it was a nice assortment of items.

I recommend it to anyone who wants to help Israel fight this garbage. The company's name is Lev Haolam you can find their page on facebook, and I'm pretty sure they have a web page too.

Thank you, Pred. They do have a website too where you can sign up.