earth's spin

[trevorjohnson83]

I imagine if the spin of the atom is also from angular momentum, that its poles are often moved around according to any which way the wind blows? No, the atom and the earth spin from the core of either acting as a single. The cause of the spinning breaks down infinitely into atoms that spin under heat. Once the core is hot enough for heat to radiate, it spins, as long as its free too. The core size has nothing to do with heat but the pressure from weight above. The heat the core produces depends on the heat of the local aether temperature. If this heat is very little the atoms in the core will be cooler, spinning with less torque, and barely passing the threshold of heating the core to the point it spins or radiates. The spinning of the earth is a stable state between heat radiating from the core in balance with the density that prevents radiation.

 

[toobfreak]

I imagine if the spin of the atom is also from angular momentum, that its poles are often moved around according to any which way the wind blows? No, the atom and the earth spin from the core of either acting as a single.

Trevor, you really need to stop embarrassing yourself. Just stop while you are ahead.

The spin of an atom is quantum-statistical in nature according to probability mechanics, it is not like a Viking hurling around his heavy mace in a circle getting ready to club his opponent.

The cause of the spinning breaks down infinitely into atoms that spin under heat.

I can't even guess what that is supposed to mean. It is gibberish. The cause of spinning in the fundamental property of matter, what some might call God himself, where to arrest a particle of matter and to remove from it all vibration in space would be to convert it back to its nascent energy from which it was born, indeed, some might say that the very definition of what separates matter from energy is that matter is mere packets of energy quantum-statistically confined in time to discrete local positions as packets of energy!

I won't even address the rest of your nonsense.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Trevor, you really need to stop embarrassing yourself. Just stop while you are ahead.

The spin of an atom is quantum-statistical in nature according to probability mechanics, it is not like a Viking hurling around his heavy mace in a circle getting ready to club his opponent.


I can't even guess what that is supposed to mean. It is gibberish. The cause of spinning in the fundamental property of matter, what some might call God himself, where to arrest a particle of matter and to remove from it all vibration in space would be to convert it back to its nascent energy from which it was born, indeed, some might say that the very definition of what separates matter from energy is that matter is mere packets of energy quantum-statistically confined in time to discrete local positions as packets of energy!

I won't even address the rest of your nonsense.

I.....think I understand, let me see if I can reciprocate. The electron moon orbits the proton earth. Then from that stupid model, we can't explain how more then one electron orbits and just one electron is silly, so we make a cloud of electron's travelling in every direction at once. There band aid to my butthole. Then packets of sugar some guy was staring at in a coffee shop became the thing in the 90's for photons to be delivered in, you know, packets? science? packets. science? packets, give me a packet of photons for a Madonna CD toobfreak probably said , the packet was for his job, and the CD for his jossling in place.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

quiz

question 1: when earth was just cloud of dust, and pulled its arms in one day as it was skating, to cause the spin we see in spaceships that starts from A) micro plastics B) the dancer earth dust ball arms c) people like 100 of them running at wall or d) super fast movements of astronauts pretending to swim?

question 2: when the earth dust ball chil was young and liked ice skating it one day pulled in two street light posts as arms from magic exploding bag of stuff from big bang. What can we conclude about what the math is? 4,10,999,or 2.444?

question 3: tell your brain to multiply some numbers like 302 and 589, then say enter. write your answer in impressive certainty.

question 4: its your first day on the job after acting the quiz here, you are certain they told you something to do when they were talking before all serious and you just kept nodding yes. remark back in a paragraph what happened and ask cordially 'what am I doing here again?'

 

[trevorjohnson83]

mirth

 

[trevorjohnson83]

question 5: the young earth dust ball has grown too old for dance lessons, its recital this Friday is just silly. Tell the earth you want it to be a accountant. write 2 paragraphs.

question 6: You go to the stupid dance recital anyways. The young dust ball earth gets dust on the piano and someone draws in the dust. Think of a drawing you can make in the dust that would impress you if you saw it.

question 7: its the young ball a dust's birthday. the guests are all spitting and coughing from the dust. you give it a quick think and put out a spitoon, how do you show the guest who are blinded to the spitoon? write the math to your answer.

question 8: the earth changes its name to Dustin. tell Dustin he can bring two of his eight friends to the amusement park, only with red shirts, and only friends that are ACTUALLY cool. Make it super cool your answer.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I'm a retired electrical engineer, etc.

Have you ever built one of these toob? (you can skip to 1:30 to get to the scope displaying the chaotic trace).

Note he's using an analog scope, these are getting rarer. I have a few of these old Tektronix scopes on my shelf but my main scope is this and I don't know if that can do an X-Y plot to the same quality. Here's the PCB order page.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

well instead of playing grab ass, someone or one of you could answer how tidal effect of orbiting planets and moons actually works. (I consider most of your answers so far a joke or just historical artifacts)

 

[trevorjohnson83]

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Yes, Earth's rotation plays a role in generating the planet's magnetic field, which is known as the geodynamo process:

• Convection
  Radioactive heating and chemical differentiation cause the Earth's outer core to churn in a process called convection. This movement is similar to boiling water on a stove, with convective forces moving heat around and whirlpools driven by the Earth's rotation.
  
  
  
• Electric currents
  The electrically conducting iron in the core moves around in the presence of the Earth's magnetic field, which induces electric currents. These currents can flow for hundreds of miles and at thousands of miles per hour.
  
  
  
• Spiraling
  The Earth's rotation also causes the liquid metal to spiral, which allows the separate magnetic fields to align and combine forces. Without the spinning, the magnetic fields would cancel each other out and there would be no distinct magnetic poles.
  

The geodynamo process requires a planet to have certain characteristics, including: Rapid rotation, A fluid interior that can conduct electricity, and An internal energy source to power convection currents.


The Earth's magnetic field changes over time, with shifts that are most noticeable in the Western Hemisphere's low latitudes. For example, magnetic patches near the equator can drift about 10 miles per year. The magnetic field can also reverse slowly and irregularly, though the solid inner core may help prevent this.

geodynamo means baby dinosaur eathr dragon, it was the age just after it matured from being dust ball child earth. some of this will be on the next quiz so eat it up.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

todays quiz

question 1: geodynamo is the name of: a) dinosaurs b) slang for dynamite c) a whirlpool d) pine sol

question 2: a young dust ball earth has matured from his dance lessons and now has whirlpools that make his magnetic field. whirlpools and dinosaurs. like waffles and pizza, explain the analogy.

question 3: the whirlpools have made earth's face all zitty. As you look at him while you eat, the food becomes tasteless. make a paper plate to hang up on earth.

question 4: ole zit boy is at the doctors to cure his whirlpool problem. Some doctors get tidally locked starring while others maintain a professional spin. Write about how spin of a doctor is a band name you like and you like music without commas or periods for at least two pages.

 

[Wuwei]

This brings mind something deeply interesting, if I can digress ever so slightly.

It is the problem posed by Einstein in one of his papers, here's a discussion of the problem:

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We still don't understand why rotation relative to the stars, causes inertia, it's an interesting thing, here's the full text of that article.

Yes, that is interesting. That's called the Mach Principle by Einstein. Mach said that the concept of spin and acceleration would have little meaning if there was nothing else in the universe.

I remember an experiment being done in the 1970s where a large donut shaped mass was rotated around a spinning object in a vacuum to try to emulate the universe spinning in a different direction. I never heard what the result was. No doubt a failure to emulate the much huger universe.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yes, that is interesting. That's called the Mach Principle by Einstein. Mach said that the concept of spin and acceleration would have little meaning if there was nothing else in the universe.

I remember an experiment being done in the 1970s where a large donut shaped mass was rotated around a spinning object in a vacuum to try to emulate the universe spinning in a different direction. I never heard what the result was. No doubt a failure to emulate the much huger universe.

That's interesting, I never heard of that experiment, it's been years since I looked at GR, I did get to understand a large part of it in my late teens and early twenties, some of the mathematics was abstruse so there were gaps in my understanding, I learned quite a lot initially from the (very good) book by Eddington, Space Time and Gravitation.

There's an appendix that discusses Gaussian curvature in 2D space, there's also a derivation of the equation for curvature that's independent of coordinate system, I found that absolutely mesmerizing back then.

 

[Wuwei]

That's interesting, I never heard of that experiment, it's been years since I looked at GR,

I heard it through word of mouth. It was no doubt a failure and was abandoned. But I wonder if calculations were ever done to quantify what centrifugal force would be if there were only three or four objects in the universe. It seems that momentum might be a function of the configuration of the rest of the universe. Perhaps GR already has this covered since Einstein was fascinated by the Mach principle.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I heard it through word of mouth. It was no doubt a failure and was abandoned. But I wonder if calculations were ever done to quantify what centrifugal force would be if there were only three or four objects in the universe. It seems that momentum might be a function of the configuration of the rest of the universe. Perhaps GR already has this covered since Einstein was fascinated by the Mach principle.

I believe that Einstein went to the grave dissatisfied, he was never able to relate motion relative to the universe, to acceleration, I think he remained deeply puzzled, that's the last I read about this, years ago.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

For the moon to be tidally locked must mean when it was baby dustball moon junior, and the dust and what have you collapsed to form the moon, the sides that are all sides would be pointed in during the collapse and keep it from having a spin like spacecraft that IS the same AS earth?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I heard it through word of mouth. It was no doubt a failure and was abandoned. But I wonder if calculations were ever done to quantify what centrifugal force would be if there were only three or four objects in the universe. It seems that momentum might be a function of the configuration of the rest of the universe. Perhaps GR already has this covered since Einstein was fascinated by the Mach principle.

Just dug this out:

James Woodward on Mach’s Principle for Reactionless Inertial Propulsion​

 

[trevorjohnson83]

The aether temperature near the sun provides continuous energy to spin atoms. Atoms in chains are continuously moving to and fro because their spin is locked in a chain. I wonder if tidal lock really has to do with a magnetic lock of the moon to the earth? The weak magnetic field of the earth prohibits the moon from spinning? The earth is the strong magnet and the moon the weaker lines up to create a magnetic lock?

 

[trevorjohnson83]

If your math is right, folks should be listening to you ...

Can you help me develop a mathematical model for aether temperature affecting spin?

Assistant
Poe


Creating a mathematical model to describe how aether temperature affects spin is a speculative endeavor, as "aether" is not a recognized concept in contemporary physics. However, we can outline a conceptual framework to help guide the development of such a model based on your ideas.

Conceptual Framework​

1. Definitions:
   • Let TaTa be the aether temperature.
   • Let SS be the spin of an atom or molecule.
   • Let EE represent the energy associated with the system.
2. Energy Relationship:
   • The energy of a system can be influenced by temperature. For instance, the kinetic energy of particles can be expressed as:
     E=kBTaE=kBTa
     where kBkB is Boltzmann's constant.
3. Spin Dynamics:
   • Assume that spin SS is affected by thermal energy. You might propose a relationship where the spin increases with temperature up to a certain threshold:
     S=S0+k⋅TaS=S0+k⋅Ta
     where S0S0 is the intrinsic spin at absolute zero and kk is a proportionality constant.
4. Aether Interaction:
   • If you hypothesize that the aether influences spin through some interaction, you could introduce a term that modifies the spin based on the characteristics of the aether:
     S=S0+k⋅Ta+f(Ta,aether properties)S=S0+k⋅Ta+f(Ta,aether properties)
     Here, ff could be a function that describes how aether properties (like density or pressure) influence spin.
5. Equilibrium Condition:
   • You might introduce an equilibrium condition where the increase in spin energy due to temperature must balance with the system's total energy:
     Etotal=Espin+Ethermal⇒Etotal=12IS2+kBTaEtotal=Espin+Ethermal⇒Etotal=21IS2+kBTa
     where II is the moment of inertia related to the spinning body.

Example Model​

Putting it all together, you could propose a basic model:

1. Energy Equation:
   Etotal=12I(S0+kTa+f(Ta))2+kBTaEtotal=21I(S0+kTa+f(Ta))2+kBTa
2. Solving for Spin:
   To find the spin SS at a given aether temperature TaTa:
   S=S0+kTa+f(Ta)S=S0+kTa+f(Ta)

Next Steps​

To refine this model:

• Determine Constants: Empirical data or assumptions will help determine the values of S0S0, kk, and the function ff.
• Conduct Simulations: Use computational models to simulate the effects of varying TaTa and assess how it influences SS.
• Validation: Compare predictions from your model with experimental data, such as spin behaviors in different materials at various temperatures.

This framework should serve as a starting point for developing your mathematical model. Further elaboration and refinement will be needed based on specific hypotheses and empirical evidence.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Can you help me develop a mathematical model for aether temperature affecting spin?

Assistant
Poe


Creating a mathematical model to describe how aether temperature affects spin is a speculative endeavor, as "aether" is not a recognized concept in contemporary physics. However, we can outline a conceptual framework to help guide the development of such a model based on your ideas.

Conceptual Framework​

1. Definitions:
   • Let TaTa be the aether temperature.
   • Let SS be the spin of an atom or molecule.
   • Let EE represent the energy associated with the system.
2. Energy Relationship:
   • The energy of a system can be influenced by temperature. For instance, the kinetic energy of particles can be expressed as:
     E=kBTaE=kBTa
     where kBkB is Boltzmann's constant.
3. Spin Dynamics:
   • Assume that spin SS is affected by thermal energy. You might propose a relationship where the spin increases with temperature up to a certain threshold:
     S=S0+k⋅TaS=S0+k⋅Ta
     where S0S0 is the intrinsic spin at absolute zero and kk is a proportionality constant.
4. Aether Interaction:
   • If you hypothesize that the aether influences spin through some interaction, you could introduce a term that modifies the spin based on the characteristics of the aether:
     S=S0+k⋅Ta+f(Ta,aether properties)S=S0+k⋅Ta+f(Ta,aether properties)
     Here, ff could be a function that describes how aether properties (like density or pressure) influence spin.
5. Equilibrium Condition:
   • You might introduce an equilibrium condition where the increase in spin energy due to temperature must balance with the system's total energy:
     Etotal=Espin+Ethermal⇒Etotal=12IS2+kBTaEtotal=Espin+Ethermal⇒Etotal=21IS2+kBTa
     where II is the moment of inertia related to the spinning body.

Example Model​

Putting it all together, you could propose a basic model:

1. Energy Equation:
   Etotal=12I(S0+kTa+f(Ta))2+kBTaEtotal=21I(S0+kTa+f(Ta))2+kBTa
2. Solving for Spin:
   To find the spin SS at a given aether temperature TaTa:
   S=S0+kTa+f(Ta)S=S0+kTa+f(Ta)

Next Steps​

To refine this model:

• Determine Constants: Empirical data or assumptions will help determine the values of S0S0, kk, and the function ff.
• Conduct Simulations: Use computational models to simulate the effects of varying TaTa and assess how it influences SS.
• Validation: Compare predictions from your model with experimental data, such as spin behaviors in different materials at various temperatures.

This framework should serve as a starting point for developing your mathematical model. Further elaboration and refinement will be needed based on specific hypotheses and empirical evidence.

OK, I did this quickly so there might be a few errors, but you get the gist: