earth's spin

[trevorjohnson83]

OK, I did this quickly so there might be a few errors, but you get the gist:

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good one. so you are all for the orbiting electron and against my core theory?

 

[trevorjohnson83]

lets see came up with the core theory about a year ago, spent the first 40 years of my life thinking about the electron, I don't know why I have to take this crap from you people, just admit the electron is stupid.

 

[ReinyDays]

Can you help me develop a mathematical model for aether temperature affecting spin?

Assistant
Poe


Creating a mathematical model to describe how aether temperature affects spin is a speculative endeavor, as "aether" is not a recognized concept in contemporary physics. However, we can outline a conceptual framework to help guide the development of such a model based on your ideas.

Conceptual Framework​

1. Definitions:
   • Let TaTa be the aether temperature.
   • Let SS be the spin of an atom or molecule.
   • Let EE represent the energy associated with the system.
2. Energy Relationship:
   • The energy of a system can be influenced by temperature. For instance, the kinetic energy of particles can be expressed as:
     E=kBTaE=kBTa
     where kBkB is Boltzmann's constant.
3. Spin Dynamics:
   • Assume that spin SS is affected by thermal energy. You might propose a relationship where the spin increases with temperature up to a certain threshold:
     S=S0+k⋅TaS=S0+k⋅Ta
     where S0S0 is the intrinsic spin at absolute zero and kk is a proportionality constant.
4. Aether Interaction:
   • If you hypothesize that the aether influences spin through some interaction, you could introduce a term that modifies the spin based on the characteristics of the aether:
     S=S0+k⋅Ta+f(Ta,aether properties)S=S0+k⋅Ta+f(Ta,aether properties)
     Here, ff could be a function that describes how aether properties (like density or pressure) influence spin.
5. Equilibrium Condition:
   • You might introduce an equilibrium condition where the increase in spin energy due to temperature must balance with the system's total energy:
     Etotal=Espin+Ethermal⇒Etotal=12IS2+kBTaEtotal=Espin+Ethermal⇒Etotal=21IS2+kBTa
     where II is the moment of inertia related to the spinning body.

Example Model​

Putting it all together, you could propose a basic model:

1. Energy Equation:
   Etotal=12I(S0+kTa+f(Ta))2+kBTaEtotal=21I(S0+kTa+f(Ta))2+kBTa
2. Solving for Spin:
   To find the spin SS at a given aether temperature TaTa:
   S=S0+kTa+f(Ta)S=S0+kTa+f(Ta)

Next Steps​

To refine this model:

• Determine Constants: Empirical data or assumptions will help determine the values of S0S0, kk, and the function ff.
• Conduct Simulations: Use computational models to simulate the effects of varying TaTa and assess how it influences SS.
• Validation: Compare predictions from your model with experimental data, such as spin behaviors in different materials at various temperatures.

This framework should serve as a starting point for developing your mathematical model. Further elaboration and refinement will be needed based on specific hypotheses and empirical evidence.

Can you show how this conserves energy? ... any energy within the æther doesn't cross over to rotational motion, not without a torque being applied ... or we'd have noticed already ...

We can account for all spin motion and kinetic energy in the universe without relying on the æther ... that's why we trust the conservation law ... perhaps if you could isolate some so we can examine it's properties, we might be better able to cook up some math ... AI recommends your next step is to gather empirical data ...

Have fun storming the castle ...

 

[trevorjohnson83]

What experimental evidence could support the aether spin theory?

Assistant
Poe


To support the aether spin theory, a variety of experimental approaches could be considered. While the concept of aether itself is not widely accepted in modern physics, exploring its implications could yield interesting lines of inquiry. Here are several potential avenues for experimental evidence:

1. Spin Measurement Experiments​

• Atomic Spin Variations: Conduct experiments to measure the spin states of atoms or molecules at varying temperatures and under different aether conditions (e.g., in different environments or vacuum states) to observe any correlations with aether temperature.
• Quantum Spin States: Utilize techniques like magnetic resonance to investigate whether the spin states of particles change in response to temperature variations, hypothesizing a link to aether characteristics.

2. Thermal Conductivity Studies​

• Heat Transfer Experiments: Investigate the thermal conductivity of materials in different environments (e.g., varying pressures or in vacuum) and compare how these conditions correlate with expected aether temperature effects on atomic motion and spin.
• Phase Transition Analysis: Examine how phase transitions in materials (solid to liquid, etc.) respond to changes in environmental conditions that could be interpreted as variations in aether properties.

3. Electromagnetic Phenomena​

• Electricity Generation: Test systems designed to generate electricity from thermal or vibrational energy at different aether conditions to see if there are consistent patterns that align with predictions from aether spin theory.
• Piezoelectric Effects: Explore the relationship between applied pressure and generated electrical voltage in piezoelectric materials under controlled aether conditions.

4. Resonance and Frequency Studies​

• Resonant Frequency Shifts: Investigate whether the resonant frequencies of materials change with environmental conditions that could be linked to aether properties, suggesting an interaction between aether and the material's atomic structure.

5. Cosmological Observations​

• Cosmic Background Radiation: Analyze variations in cosmic microwave background radiation and explore whether they can be related to local aether conditions and their influence on the spin of particles in the early universe.
• Gravitational Effects: Study gravitational phenomena and whether they exhibit any unusual characteristics that could suggest a connection to aether dynamics.

6. Interferometry Experiments​

• Light Interference Patterns: Use interferometry to measure potential shifts in light propagation that might indicate how aether influences electromagnetic waves, particularly as they interact with matter.

Conclusion​

Gathering experimental evidence to support the aether spin theory would require innovative approaches and careful design to isolate the effects of the proposed aether interactions. Collaboration with physicists and material scientists could help refine these experimental ideas and develop a robust methodology for testing the theory's predictions.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Can you show how this conserves energy? ... any energy within the æther doesn't cross over to rotational motion, not without a torque being applied ... or we'd have noticed already ...

We can account for all spin motion and kinetic energy in the universe without relying on the æther ... that's why we trust the conservation law ... perhaps if you could isolate some so we can examine it's properties, we might be better able to cook up some math ... AI recommends your next step is to gather empirical data ...

Have fun storming the castle ...

conservation of energy. : a principle in physics that states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed and that the total energy of a system by itself remains constant.

The sun which is a continuous source of energy provides the aether temperature that converts to spin of the 'atom'. The computer used different symbols in the original math that were much more organized but I can't copy paste them. Do you understand what I posted?

 

[ReinyDays]

conservation of energy. : a principle in physics that states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed and that the total energy of a system by itself remains constant.

The sun which is a continuous source of energy provides the aether temperature that converts to spin of the 'atom'. The computer used different symbols in the original math that were much more organized but I can't copy paste them. Do you understand what I posted?

A link is fine, otherwise you'll need to use a small text size for all the subscripts you're using ...

We can account for all the energy the Sun produces ... and there's none left over for the æther ... spin is kinetic energy, and we measure that with thermometers already ... we have the conservation principle because it holds true ... so there's no energy left over for æther, it's all accounted for ...

Quantum spin is, well, quantized ... and it looks like your treating it as smooth ... really really, a link is fine ... this is a case where "when you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change" ...

 

[trevorjohnson83]

We can account for all the energy the Sun produces ... and there's none left over for the æther ... spin is kinetic energy, and we measure that with thermometers already ... we have the conservation principle because it holds true ... so there's no energy left over for æther, it's all accounted for ...

If this makes sense to you, do explain

Quantum spin is, well, quantized ... and it looks like your treating it as smooth

is this related to quarks?

 

[ReinyDays]

If this makes sense to you, do explain

This is textbook material ... take a class ...

is this related to quarks?

Spin is an intrinsic property of quarks ... 1/2 to be specific ... change that just a little bit and the whole universe winks out of existence ... which is why I'm assuming you mean kinetic energy spin ... torque equal mass times curl ...

 

[trevorjohnson83]

This is textbook material ... take a class ...

If that's what they teach I'm glad I saved the money!

Spin is an intrinsic property of quarks ... 1/2 to be specific ... change that just a little bit and the whole universe winks out of existence ... which is why I'm assuming you mean kinetic energy spin ... torque equal mass times curl ...

1/2 of what? charm and up are together, which is the positive charge for the proton? explain away how quarks work, they are about as well described as vibrating strings.

 

[ReinyDays]

1/2 of what?

You're the one saving money ...

 

[trevorjohnson83]

You're the one saving money ...

aww like so many others you're just going to trail off in trolling. not impressed.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

1/2 time of the spin, feel a quiz coming on....

 

[trevorjohnson83]

quiz

question 1: We all know quarks come in three to form proton or neutron, but what are some other numbers that could randomly be true like magic? A) 4 B) 5 C) 6 D) 7,067?

question 2: quarks isn't just isn't is NOT someone just saying hey what's smaller then a atom, and the buck stops there too that the quark is us the smart peoplest say it don't get smaller. Write on your face with a sharpy the answer you would stick with five minutes from now about why quarks are an anything?

question 3: quarks soup? just kidding! you wouldn't want a spoonful of soup from a neutron star. or would you? talk about how you could profit from quarks being so mined that it gets you some money that idea plus idea of you had bout quarks science.

question 4: charm is the name of quarks because its not: A) butts B) nut C) Justin D) Andy?

 

[ReinyDays]

aww like so many others you're just going to trail off in trolling. not impressed.

The conservation of energy is hardly trolling ... young man ... it's a Law of Physics ...you're just casually ignoring it and we're supposed to be impressed? ...

... and then brag about no education ... [hand wave] ... spin is quantized, now what are you going to do? ...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The inner core is hot from the creation of the Earth. Convection within the molten core generates currents whose movement accumulate opposing charges which organize opposite each other to form a dynamo.

This in turn induces currents within the mantle and outer core. These earth currents collect charges of their own which organize opposing each other and opposite to the core. If enough N charges are somehow collected on the same side as the N side of the core, they begin to repel each other until enough force is created to induce the core to flip around so that its N side again aligns with the S side of the Earth and vise versa as opposite charges attract to maintain optimum magnetohyrodynamism (least about of energy lost to its operation).

It’s odd that the core hasn’t cooled after 4 billion years

 

[toobfreak]

It’s odd that the core hasn’t cooled after 4 billion years

the earth is very insulating + radioactive elements in the core keep generating new heat.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

The conservation of energy is hardly trolling ... young man ... it's a Law of Physics ...you're just casually ignoring it and we're supposed to be impressed? ...

... and then brag about no education ... [hand wave] ... spin is quantized, now what are you going to do? ...

I would say something along the lines of you stick with your side and I'll stick with mine. It's not your fault or mine though that you hear what I have to say through an online debate forum. I studied Astronomy, barely physics, some chemistry, mechanical engineering, but mostly Astronomy. That's what I know the most about. Maybe you specialize in something?

doesn't seem to have any real evidence. It appears to prove the electron they take real observations, then right a bunch of Huey BS to go along with? sorry I don't like people walking around claiming the word science is truth, they are the right, they are what good is, and then force you to take their side in such a manner. You.... you're alright Reinny, others I encounter are pretty ugly offensive towards to me. Sorry if I seem unwelcoming but its a natural defense. who will help me bake this bread said the hen?

"Spin is quantized" means that the intrinsic angular momentum (or "spin") of particles is not continuous but rather exists in discrete values. Here are the key points to understand this concept:

Key Concepts of Quantized Spin​

1. Discrete Values:
   • Particles, such as electrons, protons, and neutrons, can only have specific values of spin. For example, an electron has a spin of 1221 (in units of ℏℏ, the reduced Planck's constant), meaning it can exist in one of two states: "spin up" or "spin down."
2. Spin Quantum Numbers:
   • The spin of a particle is described by quantum numbers, which indicate the allowed states. For example, a particle with spin ss can have 2s+12s+1 possible spin states. For a spin-1221 particle, this results in two states.
3. Implications in Quantum Mechanics:
   • The quantization of spin leads to various phenomena, such as the Pauli exclusion principle, which states that no two fermions (particles with half-integer spin) can occupy the same quantum state simultaneously.
4. Measurement and Superposition:
   • When measuring a particle's spin, the outcome is probabilistic, and it collapses into one of the quantized states. Before measurement, the particle can be in a superposition of states.
5. Magnetic Moment:
   • Spin contributes to the magnetic moment of particles, which is essential in explaining behaviors like electron spin resonance and the interaction of materials in magnetic fields.

Summary​

In summary, when we say "spin is quantized," we mean that particles possess intrinsic angular momentum in fixed, discrete values rather than a continuous range. This quantization plays a fundamental role in the behavior of particles in quantum mechanics and underlies many physical phenomena.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

The radiation from stars heating the aether is probably what causes spin. Since it comes in a wave and the wave passes around the magnetic field in one way direction, and the core atoms are lined up to create the poles, the axis of the poles experiences precession?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The radiation from stars heating the aether is probably what causes spin. Since it comes in a wave and the wave passes around the magnetic field in one way direction, and the core atoms are lined up to create the poles, the axis of the poles experiences precession?

Yes, I think I see, seems similar to Unwin's theory:

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Someone explain the benefit or convenience or 'observation' that the orbiting electron is actually a cloud? If not......I'm afraid......I'll have to write........more terrible quizzes?