Early research on the Perovskite solar cells, from 2014

[Old Rocks]

This is an early article concerning research on the perovskite solar cells. It is relevant to the present, in that it is a printable, therefore, far cheaper than present methods of creating solar cells. Some of todays perovskite cells have reached efficiencies of 29%.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Linfeng-Liu/publication/265136934_Efficient_Hole-Conductor-Free_Fully_Printable_Mesoscopic_Perovskite_Solar_Cell_with_a_Broad_Light_Harvester_NH2CHNH2PbI3/links/544ab1af0cf2d6347f401dbf/Efficient-Hole-Conductor-Free-Fully-Printable-Mesoscopic-Perovskite-Solar-Cell-with-a-Broad-Light-Harvester-NH2CHNH2PbI3.pdf

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

This is an early article concerning research on the perovskite solar cells. It is relevant to the present, in that it is a printable, therefore, far cheaper than present methods of creating solar cells. Some of todays perovskite cells have reached efficiencies of 29%.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Linfeng-Liu/publication/265136934_Efficient_Hole-Conductor-Free_Fully_Printable_Mesoscopic_Perovskite_Solar_Cell_with_a_Broad_Light_Harvester_NH2CHNH2PbI3/links/544ab1af0cf2d6347f401dbf/Efficient-Hole-Conductor-Free-Fully-Printable-Mesoscopic-Perovskite-Solar-Cell-with-a-Broad-Light-Harvester-NH2CHNH2PbI3.pdf

Wow 29%, amazing....You should go out and buy a 100 of them. Then you would be at 29% output.

Of course if you use natural gas, you can achieve 100% output...I think i will stick with NG for a while longer.

 

[Old Rocks]

Wow 29%, amazing....You should go out and buy a 100 of them. Then you would be at 29% output.

Of course if you use natural gas, you can achieve 100% output...I think i will stick with NG for a while longer.

"A gas-fired plant was about 42% efficient. And in natural gas combined-cycle power plants—in which waste heat from a natural gas turbine is used to power a steam turbine—generation may be as much as 60% efficient."

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Nothing achieves 100% efficiency. And natural gas requires pipelines, and wells, as well as fracking. Solar requires panels and a grid. And it is very scalable. And once the panels are installed, the energy is free.

 

[Meister]

"A gas-fired plant was about 42% efficient. And in natural gas combined-cycle power plants—in which waste heat from a natural gas turbine is used to power a steam turbine—generation may be as much as 60% efficient."

The National Academies presents: What You Need to Know About Energy

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needtoknow.nas.edu

Nothing achieves 100% efficiency. And natural gas requires pipelines, and wells, as well as fracking. Solar requires panels and a grid. And it is very scalable. And once the panels are installed, the energy is free.

How long is the life of these panels, the cost, and the cost to replace?

 

[Crepitus]

Wow 29%, amazing....You should go out and buy a 100 of them. Then you would be at 29% output.

Of course if you use natural gas, you can achieve 100% output...I think i will stick with NG for a while longer.

60%, not 100.

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[Old Rocks]

Where we are at present with Perovskite. Problems remain, but the future looks very promising;

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Where we are at present with Perovskite. Problems remain, but the future looks very promising;

So you want to force upon your children and grandchildren very cold and dark winters where they will suffer from such freezing weather. Good thing you wont be around to see their suffering..

 

[Old Rocks]

And what does research into creating more efficient solar panels using various material like perovskite have to do with cold winters?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

And what does research into creating more efficient solar panels using various material like perovskite have to do with cold winters?

Do you think that solar energy will work well in upper Canada north of the arctic circle during the winter periods?

 

[JohnDB]

These types of solar panels are disposable...they are somewhat cheap to make and they have to be replaced often...filling the landfills. The best is a 2 year lifespan. The electrical contacts for each transistor has to be gold because of the non-reactivity... which cannot be achieved by electroplating means due to residues of chemicals... driving up the cost.

Meaning that it's literally a gold plated system you throw away every year because it stops working.

Kinda like those harbor freight battery tools... you get one use out of them but then they begin to smoke and not work anymore.

This junk is relegated to the laboratory still...it isn't fit to come out yet.
Just like hydrogen fuel cell technology...works great in the lab but contaminants in fuels destroy the cell. And currently these technologies are over 20-40 years old...if they could find a way they would have.

It's got a LONG way to go before we will actually see it happen...if ever.

 

[Old Rocks]

Do you think that solar energy will work well in upper Canada north of the arctic circle during the winter periods?

Spent some time in Yellowknife in July, 1975. 22 hrs of sunlight, a couple of hours of twilight. Solar won't work in the winter, so they will use power off the grid generated by hydro and wind. Really, you guys are so blinded by the fact that solar and wind are going to put fossil fuels out of business that you cannot see the obvious.

 

[Old Rocks]

These types of solar panels are disposable...they are somewhat cheap to make and they have to be replaced often...filling the landfills. The best is a 2 year lifespan. The electrical contacts for each transistor has to be gold because of the non-reactivity... which cannot be achieved by electroplating means due to residues of chemicals... driving up the cost.

Meaning that it's literally a gold plated system you throw away every year because it stops working.

Kinda like those harbor freight battery tools... you get one use out of them but then they begin to smoke and not work anymore.

This junk is relegated to the laboratory still...it isn't fit to come out yet.
Just like hydrogen fuel cell technology...works great in the lab but contaminants in fuels destroy the cell. And currently these technologies are over 20-40 years old...if they could find a way they would have.

It's got a LONG way to go before we will actually see it happen...if ever.

They are not building commercial perovskite systems, and never will if they do not solve those problems. However, people like you said EV's were impossible because they could never build a battery with high enough energy density, now they are building them by the gigawatt. And perovskite is just one of the new materials that they are working on in the lab to create a high efficiency even less costly solar panel. Nanotubes are another promising avenue.

 

[JohnDB]

They are not building commercial perovskite systems, and never will if they do not solve those problems. However, people like you said EV's were impossible because they could never build a battery with high enough energy density, now they are building them by the gigawatt. And perovskite is just one of the new materials that they are working on in the lab to create a high efficiency even less costly solar panel. Nanotubes are another promising avenue.

No... never said the things you are claiming.

All I have ever said is that battery technology is a stop-gap for some form of fuel based technology because legislation is driving ahead of the available technology.

You can legislate all conduct for people on the Planet Mars...but there has yet to be any people on that planet.

Simple economics are such that if a cheaper and better source of energy is available we will use it.
And LiOn batteries are one solution...I think that carbon ion batteries are better...they are really a form of a capacitor but they charge fully in a minute and can hold as much energy per kilogram as LiOn batteries. And currently most cities don't have the electrical generation and distribution capacity to handle a swap to an all electrical vehicle population.

Again legislation has preceded the available technology. And unless they stop this nonsense we aren't going to be able to eat.

 

[Old Rocks]

Will there be better batteries created than lithium ion? Yes. Will there be far more efficient solar cells created and used? Yes. Will fusion ever becomes an economic source of power? ? Will fission reactors continue to be used for electrical power? No. Will there be better ways of generation with solar than we are using at present? Yes. Agrivoltaics, VPP's. solar generation in windows, and some that we are not seeing right now will come into their own, and will vastly change the grid. Grid Scale storage is just coming on line, yet we are seeing more and more ways to use it for peaker power and grid stability, as well as to prevent grid failure and the reduce the cost of power.

No, legislation has lagged far behind technology, after all, we are still subsidizing the fossil fuel companies.

 

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And what does research into creating more efficient solar panels using various material like perovskite have to do with cold winters?

The more solar radiation that is converted into electricity the less solar radiation there is to heat the surface of the planet.

 

[Old Rocks]

The more solar radiation that is converted into electricity the less solar radiation there is to heat the surface of the planet.

Well, I am sure Toob Freak agrees with you.

 

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Well, I am sure Toob Freak agrees with you.

The FLoT agrees with me.

 

[toobfreak]

This is an early article concerning research on the perovskite solar cells.

Let me know if you need me to 'splain the technical parts to you.

Seems they left out the dikoronium, tritanium and dilithium crystals!

 

[JohnDB]

The more solar radiation that is converted into electricity the less solar radiation there is to heat the surface of the planet.

THat has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard in a long time....thanks for the laugh.

 

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THat has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard in a long time....thanks for the laugh.

Why is that? You think all electricity that is used heats the planet? There's a couple of problems with that.