Is The Political Divide Based On ‘Objective’ Versus ‘Subjective’?

[candycorn]

This...

.....Or this.....

Take your time.

Speaking of time, how long did it take you to polish off your third dozen donuts this morning? Did you beat your personal best of a half hour?

 

[candycorn]

I love Ben Shapiro. I’ll check it out.

And yes, liberalism seems to see religiosity as a threat. They, the liberals, want undying pledges of worship and loyalty to the state, and religious people of course worship only G-d. (Well, Jews….Christians of course also worship Jesus, but the same concept applies.)

Slightly off topic, but it’s the same reason that Pilate saw Jesus as a threat. He wanted people to have undivided loyalty to the Roman government without competition from anyone else.

Getting deeper into what you just said, liberals do not want what religion teaches: that individuals have the ability to choose what is right and virtuous, and “to leave the world a better place” than when you arrived (the latter a direction in Judaism, specifically). How can government, then, be tasked with making the decisions to do what IT determines is right, when rightfully the ability to do so is within the power of each person?

Jesus was a liberal.

Why aren't you?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I love Ben Shapiro. I’ll check it out.

And yes, liberalism seems to see religiosity as a threat. They, the liberals, want undying pledges of worship and loyalty to the state, and religious people of course worship only G-d. (Well, Jews….Christians of course also worship Jesus, but the same concept applies.)

Slightly off topic, but it’s the same reason that Pilate saw Jesus as a threat. He wanted people to have undivided loyalty to the Roman government without competition from anyone else.

Getting deeper into what you just said, liberals do not want what religion teaches: that individuals have the ability to choose what is right and virtuous, and “to leave the world a better place” than when you arrived (the latter a direction in Judaism, specifically). How can government, then, be tasked with making the decisions to do what IT determines is right, when rightfully the ability to do so is within the power of each person?

Let those who love the Lord hate evil, psalm 97:10

 

[PoliticalChic]

Speaking of time, how long did it take you to polish off your third dozen donuts this morning? Did you beat your personal best of a half hour?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Jesus was a liberal.

Why aren't you?

The Nazis, Bolsheviks, and Democrat Party are all socialists.

The Bible dones not endorse socialism, and certainly not the murder your party stands for.



Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats
The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None of the totalitarian forms of political plague have the slightest concern for human life: not communism (gulags), not Nazism (concentration camps), not Liberalism (abortion), not Progressivism (eugenics), not socialism (theft), not fascism (murder).

The Democrats check every one of those boxes.



They only differ in the final outcome: slavery, serfdom, or death.

They all follow Trotsky: "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."

 

[Lisa558]

Let those who love the Lord hate evil, psalm 97:10

Thanks for quoting from the OT. I can’t stand it when the liberals, with all the sanctimony they can muster, tell me “what Jesus would have said” - even knowing I’m Jewish.

 

[Lisa558]

Jesus was a liberal.

Why aren't you?

First, he wasn’t a liberal. He told his followers to resist the government.

And second, why would I care what Jesus was anyway? Did you know that Otov, who lived in 1st century Greece, was a conservative?

 

[candycorn]

First, he wasn’t a liberal. He told his followers to resist the government.

And second, why would I care what Jesus was anyway? Did you know that Otov, who lived in 1st century Greece, was a conservative?

You should pick up a bible sometime shit brains.

 

[dudmuck]

The Nazis, Bolsheviks, and Democrat Party are all socialists.

The Bible dones not endorse socialism, and certainly not the murder your party stands for.



Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats
The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None of the totalitarian forms of political plague have the slightest concern for human life: not communism (gulags), not Nazism (concentration camps), not Liberalism (abortion), not Progressivism (eugenics), not socialism (theft), not fascism (murder).

The Democrats check every one of those boxes.



They only differ in the final outcome: slavery, serfdom, or death.

They all follow Trotsky: "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."

what about Matthew 19:21 or Acts 2:44-45 as it relates to an economic system.

 

[candycorn]

The Nazis, Bolsheviks, and Democrat Party are all socialists.

The Bible dones not endorse socialism, and certainly not the murder your party stands for.



Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats
The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None of the totalitarian forms of political plague have the slightest concern for human life: not communism (gulags), not Nazism (concentration camps), not Liberalism (abortion), not Progressivism (eugenics), not socialism (theft), not fascism (murder).

The Democrats check every one of those boxes.



They only differ in the final outcome: slavery, serfdom, or death.

They all follow Trotsky: "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."

Jesus was a liberal....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Thanks for quoting from the OT. I can’t stand it when the liberals, with all the sanctimony they can muster, tell me “what Jesus would have said” - even knowing I’m Jewish.

You might want to quote Matthew to them:

The Old Testament laws remain in effect…as per Matthew 5:18, the eighteenth verse of the fifth chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament and is part of the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus has just reported that he came not to destroy the law, but fulfil it. In this verse this claim is reinforced.

Matthew 5:17–18 is a key text for interpreting the Sermon on the Mount and the entire gospel of Matthew:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Here Jesus says that not one iota (jot) or dot (tittle) will pass away from the law. These most likely refer to the smallest strokes of the Hebrew alphabet, indicating that the Old Testament is completely trustworthy, even to the smallest detail. This is consistent with Jesus’ attitude elsewhere. Never do we find Jesus disagreeing with Scripture.



It is the Bible….Old and New Testaments that inveigh against the Marxist/Progressive/Democrat worship of government.

 

[PoliticalChic]

what about Matthew 19:21 or Acts 2:44-45 as it relates to an economic system.

Time for the education you missed out on in government school.


Take notes, you dunce:


So.....socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism



And this is the face of government coercion.....


Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.





Face it: you've been tricked into worshipping a very different master.

 

[dudmuck]

Time for the education you missed out on in government school.


Take notes, you dunce:


So.....socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism



And this is the face of government coercion.....


Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.





Face it: you've been tricked into worshipping a very different master.

i'm not worshiping anybody.
just presenting the relevant bible verses on the subject.
But where is capitalism endorsed?

 

[PoliticalChic]

i'm not worshiping anybody.
just presenting the relevant bible verses on the subject.
But where is capitalism endorsed?

This is the religion you've entered into.



There are two religions in conflict.

That of the Founders, the Judeo-Christian faith.
The Bible is its foundation.


And that of Democrats, Liberals, Communists, Nazis, Fascists.....Militant Secularism. Lacking self-awareness, the Democrats, Liberals, Progressives ridicule religion as superstition......but kneel to their false religion, Militant Secularism.
From the Amazon review of Godless, by Coulter…


Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and reviles people of faith, it bears all the attributes of a religion. In Godless, Coulter throws open the doors of the Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its martyrs (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its churches (government schools, where prayer is prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to Max Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an inconsequential accident).

Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that separates the enlightened from the benighted.
And....Franklin Delano Roosevelt, "...the Socialist Savior of the Democratic Party."

the Catechism: you didn't build that.....any success is just dumb luck



1. Sen. Mazie Hirono (D., Hawaii) on Tuesday called for liberal activists to believe in climate change as if it were a "religion." Dem Senator Hirono: Believe in Climate Change Like a Religion


2. And the equally brilliant Ben Shapiro runs with "its sacraments (abortion)"....
"When Abortion Becomes a Sacrament
...alleged comedian Michelle Wolf paid tribute to the most important facet of American life: abortion. On her Netflix show on Sunday, Wolf dressed up in red, white and blue, and shrieked into the camera, "God bless abortions, and God bless America!" She explained: "Women, if you need an abortion, get one! If you want an abortion, get one! ...

...abortion isn't just another decision. It's a giant middle finger to the moral establishment. And those who would fight abortion are desacralizing the mysterious holiness of a ritual that reinforces women's control. No wonder Wolf thinks God blesses abortion; abortion is her god."
When Abortion Becomes A Sacrament

3. “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.” Whittaker Chambers, Witness



4. “Rahm Emanuel: Athletes Kneeling During National Anthem Akin to Kneeling at ‘Religious Services’ Rahm Emanuel: Athletes Kneeling During National Anthem Akin to Kneeling at ‘Religious Services’ - Non Perele - News Online



5. "Darwinism, by contrast, is an essential ingredient in secularism, that aggressive, quasi-religious faith without a deity. The Sternberg case seems, in many ways, an instance of one religion persecuting a rival, demanding loyalty from anyone who enters one of its churches -- like the National Museum of Natural History.”
The Branding of a Heretic



6. “The secularists [that The New York Times, Katherine] Stewart represents just refuse to acknowledge that their religious beliefs are in fact religious beliefs, and of a far creepier and deadlier kind than Christians’.
….the belief that it is possible to fix the world by applying government pressure? That is not a belief that can be wholly validated by research or experience. In fact, research and experience both indicate that central planning usually makes life even more nasty, brutish, and short.

So what is this unfounded, undocumented, unprovable faith in government power to correct human psyches and behavior if not a religious (metaphysical) belief? It is also an unprovable and metaphysical belief about what a human is — a thing that can be “corrected” by politics and whose “error” is not intrinsic to itself. Again, these are all metaphysical, religious beliefs with no empirical basis or possibility of being fully empirically proven.

The secular, pagan, atheist types are the ones who claim religious assumptions are evil. They do so because they erroneously believe they are free from such assumptions. But in truth, no one is.””
Barr: The People Trying To 'Impose Their Values' Are 'Militant Secularists'



7. NY Democrat Governor “Hochul defends calling NYC churchgoers ‘my apostles’” … speech at a Brooklyn mega-church where she urged worshippers to act as “my apostles” and proselytize on behalf of COVID-19 vaccinations. Critics of the remarks included Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who mocked Hochul as “one of the high priestesses” of “the cult of coronavirus” and “the leader of the New York diocese of the corona cult.” “Around her neck, she wore not a cross — that’s yesterday’s symbol — but instead a vaccination necklace,” Hochul defends calling NYC churchgoers ‘my apostles’

 

[Lisa558]

This is the religion you've entered into.



There are two religions in conflict.

That of the Founders, the Judeo-Christian faith.
The Bible is its foundation.


And that of Democrats, Liberals, Communists, Nazis, Fascists.....Militant Secularism. Lacking self-awareness, the Democrats, Liberals, Progressives ridicule religion as superstition......but kneel to their false religion, Militant Secularism.
From the Amazon review of Godless, by Coulter…


Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and reviles people of faith, it bears all the attributes of a religion. In Godless, Coulter throws open the doors of the Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its martyrs (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its churches (government schools, where prayer is prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to Max Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an inconsequential accident).

Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that separates the enlightened from the benighted.
And....Franklin Delano Roosevelt, "...the Socialist Savior of the Democratic Party."

the Catechism: you didn't build that.....any success is just dumb luck



1. Sen. Mazie Hirono (D., Hawaii) on Tuesday called for liberal activists to believe in climate change as if it were a "religion." Dem Senator Hirono: Believe in Climate Change Like a Religion


2. And the equally brilliant Ben Shapiro runs with "its sacraments (abortion)"....
"When Abortion Becomes a Sacrament
...alleged comedian Michelle Wolf paid tribute to the most important facet of American life: abortion. On her Netflix show on Sunday, Wolf dressed up in red, white and blue, and shrieked into the camera, "God bless abortions, and God bless America!" She explained: "Women, if you need an abortion, get one! If you want an abortion, get one! ...

...abortion isn't just another decision. It's a giant middle finger to the moral establishment. And those who would fight abortion are desacralizing the mysterious holiness of a ritual that reinforces women's control. No wonder Wolf thinks God blesses abortion; abortion is her god."
When Abortion Becomes A Sacrament

3. “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.” Whittaker Chambers, Witness



4. “Rahm Emanuel: Athletes Kneeling During National Anthem Akin to Kneeling at ‘Religious Services’ Rahm Emanuel: Athletes Kneeling During National Anthem Akin to Kneeling at ‘Religious Services’ - Non Perele - News Online



5. "Darwinism, by contrast, is an essential ingredient in secularism, that aggressive, quasi-religious faith without a deity. The Sternberg case seems, in many ways, an instance of one religion persecuting a rival, demanding loyalty from anyone who enters one of its churches -- like the National Museum of Natural History.”
The Branding of a Heretic



6. “The secularists [that The New York Times, Katherine] Stewart represents just refuse to acknowledge that their religious beliefs are in fact religious beliefs, and of a far creepier and deadlier kind than Christians’.
….the belief that it is possible to fix the world by applying government pressure? That is not a belief that can be wholly validated by research or experience. In fact, research and experience both indicate that central planning usually makes life even more nasty, brutish, and short.

So what is this unfounded, undocumented, unprovable faith in government power to correct human psyches and behavior if not a religious (metaphysical) belief? It is also an unprovable and metaphysical belief about what a human is — a thing that can be “corrected” by politics and whose “error” is not intrinsic to itself. Again, these are all metaphysical, religious beliefs with no empirical basis or possibility of being fully empirically proven.

The secular, pagan, atheist types are the ones who claim religious assumptions are evil. They do so because they erroneously believe they are free from such assumptions. But in truth, no one is.””
Barr: The People Trying To 'Impose Their Values' Are 'Militant Secularists'



7. NY Democrat Governor “Hochul defends calling NYC churchgoers ‘my apostles’” … speech at a Brooklyn mega-church where she urged worshippers to act as “my apostles” and proselytize on behalf of COVID-19 vaccinations. Critics of the remarks included Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who mocked Hochul as “one of the high priestesses” of “the cult of coronavirus” and “the leader of the New York diocese of the corona cult.” “Around her neck, she wore not a cross — that’s yesterday’s symbol — but instead a vaccination necklace,” Hochul defends calling NYC churchgoers ‘my apostles’

Another wonderful post.

It also explains my answer when Republican Christians ask me how Jews can vote for the Democrat when doing so is clearly against their own interests: Their liberalism trumps their Judaism.