Eagle Scout honor student expelled from school after forgetting gun locked in truck

[OohPooPahDoo]

How about having the punishment fit the crime.

The shot gun was unloaded.

The shot gun was in a locked vehicle.

He didn't have possession of the shot gun.

The authorities only know about it because they overheard him asking his mother to come get it out of his truck.

It seems to me that that young man, with only two weeks left until graduation, should not have been expelled.

I thought conservatives were rule and law crazy? Or are you only interested in following rules and laws you agree with? Dude brought a shotgun onto school property, tough tits.

I am all about the rule of law and Justice.

No you aren't. You are opposed to the law being enforced in this case. That means you aren't about the law.

 

[OriginalShroom]

I guess so... or maybe I don't see the point of getting upset over a kid being disciplined for bringing a fucking shotgun onto school property.

How about having the punishment fit the crime.

The shot gun was unloaded.

The shot gun was in a locked vehicle.

He didn't have possession of the shot gun.

The authorities only know about it because they overheard him asking his mother to come get it out of his truck.

It seems to me that that young man, with only two weeks left until graduation, should not have been expelled.

He will be fine. And hopefully he's learned a valuable lesson

You think he will be "Fine" when having his graduation held up by a year and this arrest on his record?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

How about having the punishment fit the crime.

The shot gun was unloaded.

The shot gun was in a locked vehicle.

He didn't have possession of the shot gun.

The authorities only know about it because they overheard him asking his mother to come get it out of his truck.

It seems to me that that young man, with only two weeks left until graduation, should not have been expelled.

I thought conservatives were rule and law crazy? Or are you only interested in following rules and laws you agree with? Dude brought a shotgun onto school property, tough tits.

I am all about the rule of law and Justice.

Show me the Justice in this decision. The punishment doesn't fit the crime.

As did the assistant principle who left her loaded gun in her car and gave the keys to the auto shop students who ended up passing her loaded gun around like a toy. She was suspended for 3 days with pay.

At worst he should have been given a 3 day in-school suspension.

Pointing to her stupidity doesn't mitigate his.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Threads Merged.

 

[BallsBrunswick]

How about having the punishment fit the crime.

The shot gun was unloaded.

The shot gun was in a locked vehicle.

He didn't have possession of the shot gun.

The authorities only know about it because they overheard him asking his mother to come get it out of his truck.

It seems to me that that young man, with only two weeks left until graduation, should not have been expelled.

I thought conservatives were rule and law crazy? Or are you only interested in following rules and laws you agree with? Dude brought a shotgun onto school property, tough tits.

I am all about the rule of law and Justice.

Show me the Justice in this decision. The punishment doesn't fit the crime.

As did the assistant principle who left her loaded gun in her car and gave the keys to the auto shop students who ended up passing her loaded gun around like a toy. She was suspended for 3 days with pay.

At worst he should have been given a 3 day in-school suspension.

Different school district, different rules, different situation. The kid broke the rules and did something retarded. Now he's going to have to wait a few weeks to get his diploma. la-de-da.

 

[MikeK]

With the felony thing, I was just stopped by a road block near work a week a go, I told the cop I had a gun on me and showed him my cwp and he told me you "know I could charge you with a felony"? I am like why? It was because the old owners of our factory had a no weapons sign on the property. I never knew that.

Why did you see fit to tell the cop you were carrying?

Did he have cause to search you?

Even if he did search you for some legitimate reason, you have a permit.

And because the owners posted a no guns sign does not constitute a felony. Those factory owners are not legislators.

 

[Political Junky]

Zero tolerance is just that. No room for where he was from or what color his is.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

A senior at Princeton High School near Raleigh, NC has been permanently expelled from school.

His crime: He went skeet shooting the day before with some friends, safely unloaded and locked up his shotgun in his truck afterward, and then forgot it was there the next day when he drove to school.

Then he made his BIG mistake. Upon remembering the gun was in his (locked) truck, he knew he couldn't legally leave the school to drive it home and come back. So he quietly called his mother and asked her to come and pick it up.

The mistake? His call was overheard by some zero-tolerance fanatic at the school.

Question: Who did the wrong thing? And who broke the law?

BTW, as a result of this incident, this Eagle Scout has also been charged with a felony.

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Honors Student & Eagle Scout Charged with Felony and Expelled After Accidentally Leaving Shotgun in Truck

Honors Student & Eagle Scout Charged with Felony and Expelled After Accidentally Leaving Shotgun in Truck

May 1 2013

According to Todd Starnes of Fox News, Cole Withrow, an Eagle Scout, honors student, and active church member has had his life turned upside down.

The trouble began when Withrow discovered he had accidentally left his shotgun in his truck once he arrived at school. He had been skeet shooting with some friends the day before.

Withrow tried to immediately call his mother to come and pick up the firearm, but he was overheard by a school official.

Withrow told officials the truth about what happened. Then he was arrested and immediately and permanently expelled from school.

According to Fox News,

“He didn’t know what to do,” Boykin, whose son is friends with Withrow, told Fox News. “If you jump in the truck and leave, then they get you for skipping school. Once you are there you have to say.

“I think it’s an injustice for this young man,” she added. “He’s a good guy. He’s loved by his classmates and his teachers. You don’t become an Eagle Scout by being a bad seed.”

She said the school district is sending a very bad message to students.

“You teach your kids if you’re in trouble or if you see you’ve done something wrong, go ahead and admit it,” she said. “Be a man and it’ll be fixed. In this case, that’s what he did and he’s being punished for it. That’s not the lesson we need to teach our kids.”

Withrow was just two weeks away from graduating with honors, but now he may not be able to graduate high school this year at all. He will have to wait 365 days in order to finish his last two weeks of high school. His life will be on pause – for trying to do the right thing.

Here is the phone number for the school: (919) 936-6431

Here is the phone number for the NC Governor’s office: (919) 733-5811

Follow the conversation on Twitter with the hashtag #freecole

Link to full article on Fox News: Eagle Scout Facing Expulsion over Gun Charge | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

He did the right thing in:

- safely unloading his gun
- placing it in the trunk of his car, and locking it
- calling his mother for assistance

The school should recognise that he at least tried to do the right thing, and should not be expelled. He should be more careful next time, but it doesn't seem that he posed any threat, and that this was a genuine mistake.

How do you know it was a genuine mistake? Have you ever even met the guy?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

How about having the punishment fit the crime.

The shot gun was unloaded.

The shot gun was in a locked vehicle.

He didn't have possession of the shot gun.

The authorities only know about it because they overheard him asking his mother to come get it out of his truck.

It seems to me that that young man, with only two weeks left until graduation, should not have been expelled.

He will be fine. And hopefully he's learned a valuable lesson

You think he will be "Fine" when having his graduation held up by a year and this arrest on his record?

Arrests dont follow you convictions on a felony level do. And he will graduate. So yes, he will be fine as well as probably more careful with his weapons. A valuable lesson can be learned from this.....

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

And because the owners posted a no guns sign does not constitute a felony. Those factory owners are not legislators.

So you're telling me the legislature can't make it a crime to bring a weapon onto private property against the wishes of the property owner? Really? Maybe you think if a sign says "no trespassing" you can go ahead and do that, too? The property owner isn't a legislator, right?

 

[BallsBrunswick]

He will be fine. And hopefully he's learned a valuable lesson

You think he will be "Fine" when having his graduation held up by a year and this arrest on his record?

Arrests dont follow you convictions on a felony level do. And he will graduate. So yes, he will be fine as well as probably more careful with his weapons. A valuable lesson can be learned from this.....

You and I have vastly different opinions but I think you and I could smoke a joint together sometime and get along like old friends (as long as Obama or Bush isn't brought up)

But yeah... this kid misplaces his gun and we're getting mad at the authorities for addressing the issue instead of the kid who misplaced and brought a fucking shotgun onto school property.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

You think he will be "Fine" when having his graduation held up by a year and this arrest on his record?

Arrests dont follow you convictions on a felony level do. And he will graduate. So yes, he will be fine as well as probably more careful with his weapons. A valuable lesson can be learned from this.....

You and I have vastly different opinions but I think you and I could smoke a joint together sometime and get along like old friends (as long as Obama or Bush isn't brought up)

But yeah... this kid misplaces his gun and we're getting mad at the authorities for addressing the issue instead of the kid who misplaced and brought a fucking shotgun onto school property.

Gramps has never smoke pot and never will.

 

[MikeK]

If the shotgun was secured in the trunk of this kid's car, why did he need to call his mother and in effect create this event?

 

[OriginalShroom]

I thought conservatives were rule and law crazy? Or are you only interested in following rules and laws you agree with? Dude brought a shotgun onto school property, tough tits.

I am all about the rule of law and Justice.

No you aren't. You are opposed to the law being enforced in this case. That means you aren't about the law.

I oppose all "Zero Tolerance" laws as being stupid laws that take the judgment of special circumstances out of the equation.

A young girl here was to be expelled for giving a midol to another girl during lunch. Both were having their periods.

Anyone one with a lick of common sense would know that she wasn't trading drugs, but according to the rules of the school that is was she was charged with and was going to be expelled for. I was one of many parents who showed up and protested the attempt.


Now if this kid had had a history violence, a known member of a violent gang, hand threatened to shoot or kill someone, had brandished the weapon, etc. I could understand the expelling.

But none of that is true in this case. An Honor's student. Eagle Scout. Gun unloaded and locked up.

Hell, if he had done nothing and not called his mother, he could have driven home after school was out and no one would have been the wiser.

But he was attempting to follow policy and get the gun off school property.

The law is one thing. Justice is another.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

You think he will be "Fine" when having his graduation held up by a year and this arrest on his record?

Arrests dont follow you convictions on a felony level do. And he will graduate. So yes, he will be fine as well as probably more careful with his weapons. A valuable lesson can be learned from this.....

You and I have vastly different opinions but I think you and I could smoke a joint together sometime and get along like old friends (as long as Obama or Bush isn't brought up)

But yeah... this kid misplaces his gun and we're getting mad at the authorities for addressing the issue instead of the kid who misplaced and brought a fucking shotgun onto school property.

Hahaha

Considering I haven't smoked pot in 20 years I would probably get along with EVERYONE if I did lol

 

[BallsBrunswick]

Arrests dont follow you convictions on a felony level do. And he will graduate. So yes, he will be fine as well as probably more careful with his weapons. A valuable lesson can be learned from this.....

You and I have vastly different opinions but I think you and I could smoke a joint together sometime and get along like old friends (as long as Obama or Bush isn't brought up)

But yeah... this kid misplaces his gun and we're getting mad at the authorities for addressing the issue instead of the kid who misplaced and brought a fucking shotgun onto school property.

Gramps has never smoke pot and never will.

I think I could entice him. Honestly, this board would be populated with much happier people if everyone just smoked a joint every now and again. Especially a lot of the conservative femanazis on here.

 

[BallsBrunswick]

I am all about the rule of law and Justice.

No you aren't. You are opposed to the law being enforced in this case. That means you aren't about the law.

I oppose all "Zero Tolerance" laws as being stupid laws that take the judgment of special circumstances out of the equation.

A young girl here was to be expelled for giving a midol to another girl during lunch. Both were having their periods.

Anyone one with a lick of common sense would know that she wasn't trading drugs, but according to the rules of the school that is was she was charged with and was going to be expelled for. I was one of many parents who showed up and protested the attempt.


Now if this kid had had a history violence, a known member of a violent gang, hand threatened to shoot or kill someone, had brandished the weapon, etc. I could understand the expelling.

But none of that is true in this case. An Honor's student. Eagle Scout. Gun unloaded and locked up.

Hell, if he had done nothing and not called his mother, he could have driven home after school was out and no one would have been the wiser.

But he was attempting to follow policy and get the gun off school property.

The law is one thing. Justice is another.

And what are the rules about bringing a gun onto school property?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I am all about the rule of law and Justice.

No you aren't. You are opposed to the law being enforced in this case. That means you aren't about the law.

I oppose all "Zero Tolerance" laws as being stupid laws that take the judgment of special circumstances out of the equation.

A young girl here was to be expelled for giving a midol to another girl during lunch. Both were having their periods.

Anyone one with a lick of common sense would know that she wasn't trading drugs, but according to the rules of the school that is was she was charged with and was going to be expelled for. I was one of many parents who showed up and protested the attempt.


Now if this kid had had a history violence, a known member of a violent gang, hand threatened to shoot or kill someone, had brandished the weapon, etc. I could understand the expelling.

But none of that is true in this case. An Honor's student. Eagle Scout. Gun unloaded and locked up.

Hell, if he had done nothing and not called his mother, he could have driven home after school was out and no one would have been the wiser.

But he was attempting to follow policy and get the gun off school property.

The law is one thing. Justice is another.

You are confusing school penalties and his possible pending legal matter. The school did the right thing in this case. Likewise I expect he will receive some type of legal deferment from the judge. If he didn't then I might be upset.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Arrests dont follow you convictions on a felony level do. And he will graduate. So yes, he will be fine as well as probably more careful with his weapons. A valuable lesson can be learned from this.....

You and I have vastly different opinions but I think you and I could smoke a joint together sometime and get along like old friends (as long as Obama or Bush isn't brought up)

But yeah... this kid misplaces his gun and we're getting mad at the authorities for addressing the issue instead of the kid who misplaced and brought a fucking shotgun onto school property.

Gramps has never smoke pot and never will.

Why pretend to know a person you clearly don't?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

His crime: He went skeet shooting the day before with some friends, safely unloaded and locked up his shotgun in his truck afterward, and then forgot it was there the next day when he drove to school.

Zero sympathy here – ‘forgot’ and ‘guns’ do not go together.

With gun ownership comes responsibility, and part of that responsibility is knowing gun laws, policies, rules, and regulations.

It’s better he learn a hard lesson at a young age.

Let’s hope this will compel him to never ‘forget’ about a gun again.

How about equal treatment under the law? Or does that only apply to blacks?

ABC11 has uncovered that two school officials both brought guns onto school property in recent years, but were never charged with felonies like Cole.
An assistant principal at Cole's school was suspended for three days, but never criminally charged. She still works in the same position at the school.
"I think it's wrong, if an assistant principal can bring a loaded handgun and doesn't get punished? No, unacceptable," parent Nancy Terry said.

'Free Cole' controversy takes over Johnston County town | abc11.com

Some advice for you, shut your pie hole.