Due process and Bill Clinton?

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Due process and illegals deportation. Saw an episode on Levin where he discussed this and didn't realize due process isn't a one size fits all issue, many different applications. Received a blurb on a socialist media platform about Bill Clinton modifying the 1996 INA to expedited deportations with little or no judicial action, so I did some research and the blurb wasn't BS. In fact you've seen several instances where Trump has used these actions presently. From what I read, it doesn't look like its been amended.

Here's an AI summary:

AI Overview


In 1996, President Bill Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA), which significantly expanded the grounds for deportation and introduced a process for expedited removal without judicial hearings. This law made it easier to deport non-citizens, especially those convicted of certain crimes, and allowed for summary screening and removal without judicial oversight in certain cases.


Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Expanded Grounds for Deportation:
    IIRIRA broadened the definition of "aggravated felonies," making more crimes grounds for deportation, including those committed by legal residents.
  • Expedited Removal:
    The law introduced expedited removal proceedings, allowing for the deportation of certain individuals without a full hearing before an immigration judge.

  • Summary Screening:
    It enabled an INS officer to unilaterally decide that an alien is inadmissible and can be removed without judicial review, particularly for those arriving at ports of entry or those unable to prove continuous presence in the US for the previous two years.

  • Restrictions on Judicial Review:
    While judicial review was available in some cases, the law significantly restricted the power of judges to grant waivers or exercise discretion that could have shielded individuals from deportation.
  • Mandatory Detention:
    IIRIRA also mandated detention for certain categories of immigrants awaiting deportation, making it more difficult for them to access legal representation and potentially increasing the likelihood of deportation.

Impact and Controversy:
  • Increased Deportations:
    The IIRIRA led to a substantial increase in the number of deportations, with the U.S. becoming known as a "deportation nation".

  • Criticism:
    The law has been criticized for being overly punitive, eliminating due process in many removal cases, and limiting equitable relief from deportation.
  • "Fix '96" Movement:
    Following the enactment of IIRIRA, activists launched a movement known as "Fix '96" to restore rights stripped from non-citizens and address the harsh elements of the law.


 
Americans don't care about due process. Hell, most of them don't know what it means. We have the government we deserve.
 
Due process and illegals deportation. Saw an episode on Levin where he discussed this and didn't realize due process isn't a one size fits all issue, many different applications. Received a blurb on a socialist media platform about Bill Clinton modifying the 1996 INA to expedited deportations with little or no judicial action, so I did some research and the blurb wasn't BS. In fact you've seen several instances where Trump has used these actions presently. From what I read, it doesn't look like its been amended.

Here's an AI summary:

AI Overview


In 1996, President Bill Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA), which significantly expanded the grounds for deportation and introduced a process for expedited removal without judicial hearings. This law made it easier to deport non-citizens, especially those convicted of certain crimes, and allowed for summary screening and removal without judicial oversight in certain cases.


Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Expanded Grounds for Deportation:
    IIRIRA broadened the definition of "aggravated felonies," making more crimes grounds for deportation, including those committed by legal residents.
  • Expedited Removal:
    The law introduced expedited removal proceedings, allowing for the deportation of certain individuals without a full hearing before an immigration judge.

  • Summary Screening:
    It enabled an INS officer to unilaterally decide that an alien is inadmissible and can be removed without judicial review, particularly for those arriving at ports of entry or those unable to prove continuous presence in the US for the previous two years.

  • Restrictions on Judicial Review:
    While judicial review was available in some cases, the law significantly restricted the power of judges to grant waivers or exercise discretion that could have shielded individuals from deportation.
  • Mandatory Detention:
    IIRIRA also mandated detention for certain categories of immigrants awaiting deportation, making it more difficult for them to access legal representation and potentially increasing the likelihood of deportation.

Impact and Controversy:
  • Increased Deportations:
    The IIRIRA led to a substantial increase in the number of deportations, with the U.S. becoming known as a "deportation nation".

  • Criticism:
    The law has been criticized for being overly punitive, eliminating due process in many removal cases, and limiting equitable relief from deportation.
  • "Fix '96" Movement:
    Following the enactment of IIRIRA, activists launched a movement known as "Fix '96" to restore rights stripped from non-citizens and address the harsh elements of the law.


But if Trump does it we need judges sweeping orders to stop it.
 
The Trump Administration has already admitted that due process is for anyone on US soil, no matter what...



Try again OP.
 
Due process and illegals deportation. Saw an episode on Levin where he discussed this and didn't realize due process isn't a one size fits all issue, many different applications. Received a blurb on a socialist media platform about Bill Clinton modifying the 1996 INA to expedited deportations with little or no judicial action, so I did some research and the blurb wasn't BS. In fact you've seen several instances where Trump has used these actions presently. From what I read, it doesn't look like its been amended.

Here's an AI summary:

AI Overview


In 1996, President Bill Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA), which significantly expanded the grounds for deportation and introduced a process for expedited removal without judicial hearings. This law made it easier to deport non-citizens, especially those convicted of certain crimes, and allowed for summary screening and removal without judicial oversight in certain cases.


Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Expanded Grounds for Deportation:
    IIRIRA broadened the definition of "aggravated felonies," making more crimes grounds for deportation, including those committed by legal residents.
  • Expedited Removal:
    The law introduced expedited removal proceedings, allowing for the deportation of certain individuals without a full hearing before an immigration judge.

  • Summary Screening:
    It enabled an INS officer to unilaterally decide that an alien is inadmissible and can be removed without judicial review, particularly for those arriving at ports of entry or those unable to prove continuous presence in the US for the previous two years.

  • Restrictions on Judicial Review:
    While judicial review was available in some cases, the law significantly restricted the power of judges to grant waivers or exercise discretion that could have shielded individuals from deportation.
  • Mandatory Detention:
    IIRIRA also mandated detention for certain categories of immigrants awaiting deportation, making it more difficult for them to access legal representation and potentially increasing the likelihood of deportation.

Impact and Controversy:
  • Increased Deportations:
    The IIRIRA led to a substantial increase in the number of deportations, with the U.S. becoming known as a "deportation nation".

  • Criticism:
    The law has been criticized for being overly punitive, eliminating due process in many removal cases, and limiting equitable relief from deportation.
  • "Fix '96" Movement:
    Following the enactment of IIRIRA, activists launched a movement known as "Fix '96" to restore rights stripped from non-citizens and address the harsh elements of the law.



It's not a "Constitutional Crisis" when a democrat does it
 
The Trump Administration has already admitted that due process is for anyone on US soil, no matter what...



Try again OP.

Yeah and? Due process isn’t the same for every process. For example in criminal cases yoj have a right to a lawyer, the burden of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt, a right to trial by jury, that’s not the same for civil proceedings, and can be far less
 
Due process and illegals deportation. Saw an episode on Levin where he discussed this and didn't realize due process isn't a one size fits all issue, many different applications. Received a blurb on a socialist media platform about Bill Clinton modifying the 1996 INA to expedited deportations with little or no judicial action, so I did some research and the blurb wasn't BS. In fact you've seen several instances where Trump has used these actions presently. From what I read, it doesn't look like its been amended.

Here's an AI summary:

AI Overview


In 1996, President Bill Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA), which significantly expanded the grounds for deportation and introduced a process for expedited removal without judicial hearings. This law made it easier to deport non-citizens, especially those convicted of certain crimes, and allowed for summary screening and removal without judicial oversight in certain cases.


Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Expanded Grounds for Deportation:
    IIRIRA broadened the definition of "aggravated felonies," making more crimes grounds for deportation, including those committed by legal residents.
  • Expedited Removal:
    The law introduced expedited removal proceedings, allowing for the deportation of certain individuals without a full hearing before an immigration judge.

  • Summary Screening:
    It enabled an INS officer to unilaterally decide that an alien is inadmissible and can be removed without judicial review, particularly for those arriving at ports of entry or those unable to prove continuous presence in the US for the previous two years.

  • Restrictions on Judicial Review:
    While judicial review was available in some cases, the law significantly restricted the power of judges to grant waivers or exercise discretion that could have shielded individuals from deportation.
  • Mandatory Detention:
    IIRIRA also mandated detention for certain categories of immigrants awaiting deportation, making it more difficult for them to access legal representation and potentially increasing the likelihood of deportation.

Impact and Controversy:
  • Increased Deportations:
    The IIRIRA led to a substantial increase in the number of deportations, with the U.S. becoming known as a "deportation nation".

  • Criticism:
    The law has been criticized for being overly punitive, eliminating due process in many removal cases, and limiting equitable relief from deportation.
  • "Fix '96" Movement:
    Following the enactment of IIRIRA, activists launched a movement known as "Fix '96" to restore rights stripped from non-citizens and address the harsh elements of the law.


In certain case, NOT street sweeps.
 
Due process and illegals deportation. Saw an episode on Levin where he discussed this and didn't realize due process isn't a one size fits all issue, many different applications. Received a blurb on a socialist media platform about Bill Clinton modifying the 1996 INA to expedited deportations with little or no judicial action, so I did some research and the blurb wasn't BS. In fact you've seen several instances where Trump has used these actions presently. From what I read, it doesn't look like its been amended.

Here's an AI summary:

AI Overview


In 1996, President Bill Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA), which significantly expanded the grounds for deportation and introduced a process for expedited removal without judicial hearings. This law made it easier to deport non-citizens, especially those convicted of certain crimes, and allowed for summary screening and removal without judicial oversight in certain cases.


Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Expanded Grounds for Deportation:
    IIRIRA broadened the definition of "aggravated felonies," making more crimes grounds for deportation, including those committed by legal residents.
  • Expedited Removal:
    The law introduced expedited removal proceedings, allowing for the deportation of certain individuals without a full hearing before an immigration judge.

  • Summary Screening:
    It enabled an INS officer to unilaterally decide that an alien is inadmissible and can be removed without judicial review, particularly for those arriving at ports of entry or those unable to prove continuous presence in the US for the previous two years.

  • Restrictions on Judicial Review:
    While judicial review was available in some cases, the law significantly restricted the power of judges to grant waivers or exercise discretion that could have shielded individuals from deportation.
  • Mandatory Detention:
    IIRIRA also mandated detention for certain categories of immigrants awaiting deportation, making it more difficult for them to access legal representation and potentially increasing the likelihood of deportation.

Impact and Controversy:
  • Increased Deportations:
    The IIRIRA led to a substantial increase in the number of deportations, with the U.S. becoming known as a "deportation nation".

  • Criticism:
    The law has been criticized for being overly punitive, eliminating due process in many removal cases, and limiting equitable relief from deportation.
  • "Fix '96" Movement:
    Following the enactment of IIRIRA, activists launched a movement known as "Fix '96" to restore rights stripped from non-citizens and address the harsh elements of the law.


So if an immigrant at the border had a CRIMINAL RECORD in a foreign country, border patrol could deport them, without a due process judicial hearing, shortly after they crossed.

That is not an unreasonable change to immigration law by Clinton onward, imo.

Congress did pass the new measure law, Clinton did not just declare it.

Nope! Not the same. Trump is illegally using the wartime, Alien Enemies Act to deport people that have been in this country living for a while, to a foreign country's concentration prison camp, if simply a member of a gang, and without any criminal record.
 
So if an immigrant at the border had a CRIMINAL RECORD in a foreign country, border patrol could deport them, without a due process judicial hearing, shortly after they crossed.

That is not an unreasonable change to immigration law by Clinton onward, imo.

Congress did pass the new measure law, Clinton did not just declare it.

Nope! Not the same. Trump is illegally using the wartime, Alien Enemies Act to deport people that have been in this country living for a while, to a foreign country's concentration prison camp, if simply a member of a gang, and without any criminal record.

I have to agree that the missing, obvious, component is Trump declaring the Biden Open Border as an Invasion
 
Obama and Clinton sure as hell exploited it......
And to think, you were SCREAMING OPEN BORDERS by the democrats blah blah blah and Trump got elected in 2016 off of democrats and open borders blah blah blah and NOW you are complaining about how tough the Democratic presidents were on immigrant border crossers.....

Sheesh! The hypocrisy coming from the rightwing, is never ending!
 
So if an immigrant at the border had a CRIMINAL RECORD in a foreign country, border patrol could deport them, without a due process judicial hearing, shortly after they crossed.
Border patrol has the authority to determine if the crosser has a legitimate reason to enter, if they decide not, they are detained and deported without any legal challenges.
 
And to think, you were SCREAMING OPEN BORDERS by the democrats blah blah blah and Trump got elected in 2016 off of democrats and open borders blah blah blah and NOW you are complaining about how tough the Democratic presidents were on immigrant border crossers.....

Sheesh! The hypocrisy coming from the rightwing, is never ending!
Not complaining, pointing out the hypocrisy of you and your party's lax use of due process deporting illegals and now suddenly it's the biggest issue on the planet for Trump.

Talk about pretzel logic ....:eek:
 
Border patrol has the authority to determine if the crosser has a legitimate reason to enter, if they decide not, they are detained and deported without any legal challenges.
Not quite, silly one! Border patrol has been given the parameters of who can be immediately deported, like crossers who have a criminal record....

It is not Willy nilly at the border patrols whim.
 
Not complaining, pointing out the hypocrisy of you and your party's lax use of due process deporting illegals and now suddenly it's the biggest issue on the planet for Trump.

Talk about pretzel logic ....:eek:
You're confused!
 

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