Dubya's 47 Czars.

[txlonghorn]

If czars are allowed they should ALL be vetted and confirmed, none of this 'appointed by the president' crap. And that goes for whoever is president, not just Obama. I don't trust the government as far as I can spit.

So, WHY is everyone up in arms about czars NOW? Is it because they are Obama's Czars? Is it because Obama is black? How many of Bush's Czars were confirmed. Do you know ANYTHING about his 47 Czars? Why was this NOT news before Obama? Do you see how you guys look?

You ask some GREAT questions. With one exception...the racial question is just stupid. Why WASN'T this news before? I think the simple answer is background and character of the people holding the appointments. Trust me, if the mainstream media had found any big red flags in the Bush Admin, they definitely would have been reporting it. The difference is that there weren't any major scoundrels holding czar positions in the last administration. Of course, I'm sure you disagree, but that's ok. Handling the truth isn't always easy.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

So, WHY is everyone up in arms about czars NOW? Is it because they are Obama's Czars? Is it because Obama is black? How many of Bush's Czars were confirmed. Do you know ANYTHING about his 47 Czars? Why was this NOT news before Obama? Do you see how you guys look?

C'mon VaYank5150, I know you have a better head on your shoulders than to start throwing accusations of racism around.

You're smart enough not to use these dishonest tactics and still make your points.

PLYMCO, you and I have debated before. I should NOT have to draw you pictures. You are smarter than that. Come on...

We both are smarter than that so dont use racism as an argument when you know its not about race . Notice I didn't give you crap about what you said other than that .


ON A SIDE NOTE:

So how does the fact that Bush did something make it ok for someone else to do it?

Are you're problems(by you're I mean those saying bush had czars) the fact that people are questioning obama or is it that you view it as the people questioning obama were supporting bush doing it.

Personally I never heard anyone in the Media bring up Bush's Czars over his 8 years, but if they did I would have taken issue with the czars if they were not vetted by congress or if they held anti-american opinions, or if they were tax cheats, or if they were self avowed communists, or if they wanted to create a "Christian Only" state, or if they were racist, ect ect ect.

 

[Ravi]

Of course we know what people complained about regarding Bush, almost nothing at all. None of us are new to message boarding.

Oh wait, you're going to tell me you whispered these complaints in the bathroom at the local bar.

No he didn't....He aired them in public, as did myself a whoooole lotta other folx.

But a couple of the outstanding traits of intellectually bereft, sloppy, lazy partisan hacks are their tin ears and short-term memories.

Then feel free to show them to me. A google search at this message board shows no complaints about any czars until Obama became president.

- Google Search

 

[Zoom-boing]

We both are smarter than that so dont use racism as an argument when you know its not about race . Notice I didn't give you crap about what you said other than that .


ON A SIDE NOTE:

So how does the fact that Bush did something make it ok for someone else to do it?

Are you're problems(by you're I mean those saying bush had czars) the fact that people are questioning obama or is it that you view it as the people questioning obama were supporting bush doing it.

Personally I never heard anyone in the Media bring up Bush's Czars over his 8 years, but if they did I would have taken issue with the czars if they were not vetted by congress or if they held anti-american opinions, or if they were tax cheats, or if they were self avowed communists, or if they wanted to create a "Christian Only" state, or if they were racist, ect ect ect.

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PLYMCO_PILGRIM again.

 

[Catbert]

Obama is known by the company he keeps.

 

[Oddball]

Of course we know what people complained about regarding Bush, almost nothing at all. None of us are new to message boarding.

Oh wait, you're going to tell me you whispered these complaints in the bathroom at the local bar.

No he didn't....He aired them in public, as did myself a whoooole lotta other folx.

But a couple of the outstanding traits of intellectually bereft, sloppy, lazy partisan hacks are their tin ears and short-term memories.

Then feel free to show them to me. A google search at this message board shows no complaints about any czars until Obama became president.

- Google Search

Pretty lame attempt at moving the goalposts.

You claimed that the people busting on Obamalamadingdong had, and I quote, "almost nothing at all" to complain about the Shrub.

Well, you couldn't be more wrong if you had to be....Which is pretty common from you to begin with.

 

[txlonghorn]

Obama is known by the company he keeps.

I guess he won't be inviting Kanye West back to the White House anytime soon.

 

[Ravi]

No he didn't....He aired them in public, as did myself a whoooole lotta other folx.

But a couple of the outstanding traits of intellectually bereft, sloppy, lazy partisan hacks are their tin ears and short-term memories.

Then feel free to show them to me. A google search at this message board shows no complaints about any czars until Obama became president.

- Google Search

Pretty lame attempt at moving the goalposts.

You claimed that the people busting on Obamalamadingdong had, and I quote, "almost nothing at all" to complain about the Shrub.

Well, you couldn't be more wrong if you had to be....Which is pretty common from you to begin with.

The whispered comment was about czars. Regardless, other than a few security issues (Dubai ports), and immigration no one complained about Bush at all...well, except Del but he's not a hack like you and your group are.

 

[Care4all]

Do YOU even KNOW if Bush's Czars were not communist , fascist, radicals, unqualified, idiots, not vetted... etc?

Not to be simple here...but honestly, DID YOU EVEN CARE who Bush's czars were and how inefficient or incapable or stupid and unqualified they really were for their positions?

The truth of the matter is that NO ONE or near NO ONE cared about who Bush put in as his czars from the RIGHT....you all just ACCEPTED THEM without giving them the scrutiny that you are giving the Obama czars...

Not to diminish this concern now of actually opening your eyes and questioning things but it appears to me:

THIS IS ALL POLITICS I'm sad to say....and YOU SHOULD see this when you examine yourselves and ask yourselves whether you had this much concern and scrutiny given, for the Bush Czars that he appointed....your Strings are being pulled...maybe you don't realize it, but they are....

For the MOST PART i see this as Bull Crud....as with all the other Crying Wolf that has been going on and shows hypocrisy to the enth degree.

Is it against the law to have a communistic or socialistic or capitalistic view on things? Is this still the McCarthy paranoia days?

Just way toooooo much background noise from the right imo, and THIS WILL COME BACK to bite you...because the actual threat when and if it comes, will not be heard through the background noise.

Pick and choose wisely your battles or they all become 'background chatter" that is not heard...that's my advice! But ...carry on all and do your thing....

IF YOU REALLY CARED about all of this you would ACCEPT what you did previously was WRONG and hypocritical and just say,

"you are right, I did not pay attention under the Bush reign to these kind of things because he was a Republican and I trusted him with his picks, just as you all trust obama with his picks because he is a Democrat. I am being a hypocrite over this now because i did ignore the Bush Czars, BUT DOES 2 WRONGS MAKE IT RIGHT? Should I continue to ignore the things that now stand out to me because my eyes are finally opened just because I was comfortably snoozing earlier, under President Bush?"

And then the debate could continue from there....

But I suppose I live in my own little wishful fantasy world, where everyone can debate and argue honestly and fairly....

Care

 

[xotoxi]

Kanye West has been appointed as the Black Female Music Video Appreciation Czar.

 

[Oddball]

Not to be simple here...but honestly, DID YOU EVEN CARE who Bush's czars were and how inefficient or incapable or stupid and unqualified they really were for their positions?

The truth of the matter is that NO ONE or near NO ONE cared about who Bush put in as his czars from the RIGHT....you all just ACCEPTED THEM without giving them the scrutiny that you are giving the Obama czars...

I cared and still do....For the record, I also detest Executive Orders, for being ruling by decree.

The "but moooommmmm, they did it tooooo!!" argument is totally lame and beneath you.

 

[VaYank5150]

We both are smarter than that so dont use racism as an argument when you know its not about race

I wasn't trying to use racism as an argument. I was TRYING to point out that others already are. IF the Obama dissenters continue to bash Obama for things that were never in the headlines when Bush was POTUS, then people will draw their own conclusions as to WHY these issues are suddenly headlines. See my point, yet?

 

[concept]

The whole talking point from the left about cons being ok with "Bush did it toooo"... is just so much bullshit.

And the proof is his approval numbers which were so low AND the fact that the GOP got crushed in '06 and '08.

So libs, don't give me that crap. It's a lie and a cop out.

 

[Oddball]

We both are smarter than that so dont use racism as an argument when you know its not about race

I wasn't trying to use racism as an argument. I was TRYING to point out that others already are. IF the Obama dissenters continue to bash Obama for things that were never in the headlines when Bush was POTUS, then people will draw their own conclusions as to WHY these issues are suddenly headlines. See my point, yet?

PANTS ON FIRE!!

You're the dickweed who invoked the race argument here, Skippy.

 

[Polk]

Yet ANOTHER thing the cons didn't care about when their hero Bush was president.

It's "different" now.

 

[txlonghorn]

Kanye West has been appointed as the Black Female Music Video Appreciation Czar.

 

[The Rabbi]

I wonder why partisan hacks like Glenn Beck, et al, have forgotten about all of Duby'a Czars? Can you say "hypocrite"? I knew you could...

I thought Obama was elected to end the failed policies of George W Bush. Glad to see yet another facet of his administration endorsed by the present undocumented White House worker.

 

[Care4all]

Not to be simple here...but honestly, DID YOU EVEN CARE who Bush's czars were and how inefficient or incapable or stupid and unqualified they really were for their positions?

The truth of the matter is that NO ONE or near NO ONE cared about who Bush put in as his czars from the RIGHT....you all just ACCEPTED THEM without giving them the scrutiny that you are giving the Obama czars...

I cared and still do....For the record, I also detest Executive Orders, for being ruling by decree.

The "but moooommmmm, they did it tooooo!!" argument is totally lame and beneath you.

No Dude...I did not give the Mom, he did it too argument.... if you read it that way, then maybe my point was not clear enough...

My point was that as an adult YOU SHOULD OWN UP to your OWN mistakes, then an honest debate and conversation on this topic, can go forward.

And as you said, you did care back then, and I take your word on it, that you are an exception to the many...

but for those that did do exactly as I stated...gave Bush a pass on his czars, then you should begin your debate honestly on this topic, by starting out saying, "Yes, I did ignore Bush's czars because I trusted his judgment on them, just as YOU are trusting Obama's without scrutiny....

BUT LOOK AT THE MISTAKE I MADE BY DOING SUCH....(use "You are doing a fine job "Brownie" as an example of Bush's poor picks that you let slide)."

COME CLEAN...is what my mother and father always taught my sister and me on these type of things....

then once you've come clean, honest and fair debate can go forward...

denying your mistake and continuing to deny and not own up to your mistakes, makes it harder for ones opposition to even pay attention to anything at all of what you are saying....

but if you say, " I should have paid attention previously and was wrong not to." ....then you have more power over your opposition because you owned up, and the words that flow from your mouths would have more substance and meaning and sincere concern to them.


You are not a hypocrite if you change your views or stance on an issue, you are a hypocrite if you change your views or stance without acknowledging your previous stance as being wrong.

And I am not just talking one side of the aisle here....

Care

 

[Oddball]

RE: The "fine job Brownie" thing.

That whole mess was evidence that central control in general, and the feds in particular, are completely inept and incompetent when it comes to any local disaster mitigation, not merely the Katrina debacle.

The problem isn't finding a better bureaucrat or czar, it's admitting that gubmint isn't God-on-Earth.

 

[txlonghorn]

Do YOU even KNOW if Bush's Czars were not communist , fascist, radicals, unqualified, idiots, not vetted... etc?

Not to be simple here...but honestly, DID YOU EVEN CARE who Bush's czars were and how inefficient or incapable or stupid and unqualified they really were for their positions?

The truth of the matter is that NO ONE or near NO ONE cared about who Bush put in as his czars from the RIGHT....you all just ACCEPTED THEM without giving them the scrutiny that you are giving the Obama czars...

Not to diminish this concern now of actually opening your eyes and questioning things but it appears to me:

THIS IS ALL POLITICS I'm sad to say....and YOU SHOULD see this when you examine yourselves and ask yourselves whether you had this much concern and scrutiny given, for the Bush Czars that he appointed....your Strings are being pulled...maybe you don't realize it, but they are....

For the MOST PART i see this as Bull Crud....as with all the other Crying Wolf that has been going on and shows hypocrisy to the enth degree.

Is it against the law to have a communistic or socialistic or capitalistic view on things? Is this still the McCarthy paranoia days?

Just way toooooo much background noise from the right imo, and THIS WILL COME BACK to bite you...because the actual threat when and if it comes, will not be heard through the background noise.

Pick and choose wisely your battles or they all become 'background chatter" that is not heard...that's my advice! But ...carry on all and do your thing....

IF YOU REALLY CARED about all of this you would ACCEPT what you did previously was WRONG and hypocritical and just say,

"you are right, I did not pay attention under the Bush reign to these kind of things because he was a Republican and I trusted him with his picks, just as you all trust obama with his picks because he is a Democrat. I am being a hypocrite over this now because i did ignore the Bush Czars, BUT DOES 2 WRONGS MAKE IT RIGHT? Should I continue to ignore the things that now stand out to me because my eyes are finally opened just because I was comfortably snoozing earlier, under President Bush?"

And then the debate could continue from there....

But I suppose I live in my own little wishful fantasy world, where everyone can debate and argue honestly and fairly....

Care

Well, here's your chance to argue HONESTLY...

WHY DIDN'T THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA REPORT ON BUSH'S APPOINTMENTS????

Maybe it's because there wasn't much to report. Are you REALLY going to blame their lack of coverage on the public? We would have probably NEVER known about all the czars that have been around for years, if it hadn't been for the scandalous activities of several of Obama's appointees.

I don't know why all the Anti Bush news agencies didn't cover the czar appointments made by Bush. Maybe it was because they were too busy making up false reports about Bush's military record. Maybe they were too occupied with finding as many negative stories they could about the war in Iraq.

Any ideas?