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P F Tinmore, et al,
Oh, hell. there are two completely unrelated criminal events here.
(COMMENT)There is something very peculiar about 9/11.
Why is it that the biggest crime in US history has never been investigate to find out who did it? (BTW, the FBI never fingered Bin Laden as the perp.)
It is the strangest thing since Judi Barri's car was bombed and there was no investigation to find the bomber.
In the case of the Twin Towers Bombing (265D-NY-280350-CG) opened on 11 SEP 01, which was separate but related to the Osama bin Laden case (199N-NY-257503) based on threats made against US facilities, personnel and other interests. These are also separate from but related to the 1993 Bombing in the parking garage beneath the World Trade Center. I'm not sure I understand you when you say: "never been investigate to find out who did it?"
In regards to the Activism of the Redwood Summer Movement, I don't understand why you are even asking about the Improvised Explosive Devise that nearly killed Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney. And I'm not sure that you are correct, that "no investigation to find the bomber." It was my understanding that Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney were arrest by authorities for the transportation of an IED. I was given to understand that both Federal authorities and the local LEOs (Oakland) believed that Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney were responsible for the bomb construction and deployment.
It is not uncommon for both state and federal agencies to withhold the status and fruits of an investigation when, a civil litigation matter was pending.
Most Respectfully,
R
P F Tinmore, et al,
(COMMENT)You skip over the most important points then base your conclusions on false premise.
There is no false premise here at all; unless we are talking about your statements here.
(COMMENT)1) Upon the conclusion of the Treaty of Lausanne, Palestine became a successor state and the Palestinians became citizens. With this change, the Palestinians became the sovereigns of that defined territory.
Nowhere in the Treaty of Lausanne, does it mention Palestine or a successor government.
In the Treaty says:
ARTICLE 16.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.
The allied Powers were (by treaty) given the Title, all rights and the future of these territories.
They became citizens of the Territory under the Mandate of Palestine, herein after "Palestine." (Palestine Order in Council)
UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/138
27 February 1948
The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.
The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:
"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.
"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.
The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:
"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."
The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.
"The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."
(COMMENT)2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.
I'm not sure you are correct.
The second to the last paragraph of this joint media release PAL/169 says in part: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been Implemented."
While it really does not matter if the Palestinians believe or disbelieve the UN Media Release, the fact is that the Jewish Agency made a good faith effort (much more more that the Arab Palestinians) in following the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outline in UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/181(II). The Provisional Government fought back the Arab League invasion and the attacks by the Hostile Arab Palestinians and achieve sovereignty, independence and recognition.
Most Respectfully,
R
Yes I am. There was no transfer of territory. Neither the Mandate nor the UN had the authority to transfer territory.
P F Tinmore, et al,
(COMMENT)You skip over the most important points then base your conclusions on false premise.
There is no false premise here at all; unless we are talking about your statements here.
(COMMENT)1) Upon the conclusion of the Treaty of Lausanne, Palestine became a successor state and the Palestinians became citizens. With this change, the Palestinians became the sovereigns of that defined territory.
Nowhere in the Treaty of Lausanne, does it mention Palestine or a successor government.
In the Treaty says:
ARTICLE 16.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.
The allied Powers were (by treaty) given the Title, all rights and the future of these territories.
They became citizens of the Territory under the Mandate of Palestine, herein after "Palestine." (Palestine Order in Council)
UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/138
27 February 1948
The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.
The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:
"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.
"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.
The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:
"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."
The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.
"The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."
(COMMENT)2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.
I'm not sure you are correct.
The second to the last paragraph of this joint media release PAL/169 says in part: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been Implemented."
While it really does not matter if the Palestinians believe or disbelieve the UN Media Release, the fact is that the Jewish Agency made a good faith effort (much more more that the Arab Palestinians) in following the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outline in UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/181(II). The Provisional Government fought back the Arab League invasion and the attacks by the Hostile Arab Palestinians and achieve sovereignty, independence and recognition.
Most Respectfully,
R
P F Tinmore, et al,
(COMMENT)You skip over the most important points then base your conclusions on false premise.
There is no false premise here at all; unless we are talking about your statements here.
(COMMENT)1) Upon the conclusion of the Treaty of Lausanne, Palestine became a successor state and the Palestinians became citizens. With this change, the Palestinians became the sovereigns of that defined territory.
Nowhere in the Treaty of Lausanne, does it mention Palestine or a successor government.
In the Treaty says:
ARTICLE 16.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.
The allied Powers were (by treaty) given the Title, all rights and the future of these territories.
They became citizens of the Territory under the Mandate of Palestine, herein after "Palestine." (Palestine Order in Council)
UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/138
27 February 1948
The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.
The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:
"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.
"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.
The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:
"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."
The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.
"The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."
(COMMENT)2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.
I'm not sure you are correct.
The second to the last paragraph of this joint media release PAL/169 says in part: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been Implemented."
While it really does not matter if the Palestinians believe or disbelieve the UN Media Release, the fact is that the Jewish Agency made a good faith effort (much more more that the Arab Palestinians) in following the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outline in UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/181(II). The Provisional Government fought back the Arab League invasion and the attacks by the Hostile Arab Palestinians and achieve sovereignty, independence and recognition.
Most Respectfully,
R2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.
(COMMENT)
I'm not sure you are correct.
Yes I am. There was no transfer of territory. Neither the Mandate nor the UN had the authority to transfer territory.
P F Tinmore, et al,
(COMMENT)You skip over the most important points then base your conclusions on false premise.
There is no false premise here at all; unless we are talking about your statements here.
(COMMENT)1) Upon the conclusion of the Treaty of Lausanne, Palestine became a successor state and the Palestinians became citizens. With this change, the Palestinians became the sovereigns of that defined territory.
Nowhere in the Treaty of Lausanne, does it mention Palestine or a successor government.
In the Treaty says:
ARTICLE 16.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.
The allied Powers were (by treaty) given the Title, all rights and the future of these territories.
They became citizens of the Territory under the Mandate of Palestine, herein after "Palestine." (Palestine Order in Council)
UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/138
27 February 1948
The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.
The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:
"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.
"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.
The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:
"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."
The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.
"The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."
(COMMENT)2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.
I'm not sure you are correct.
The second to the last paragraph of this joint media release PAL/169 says in part: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been Implemented."
While it really does not matter if the Palestinians believe or disbelieve the UN Media Release, the fact is that the Jewish Agency made a good faith effort (much more more that the Arab Palestinians) in following the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outline in UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/181(II). The Provisional Government fought back the Arab League invasion and the attacks by the Hostile Arab Palestinians and achieve sovereignty, independence and recognition.
Most Respectfully,
R"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.Here is where we need some deep thinking. (A rare commodity among Zionists.)
Story number one: The LoN gave the territory to the Zionists in 1923.
So then, why did the Mandate pass the torch to the UN and not the Zionists?
What was the point of resolution 181 if the Zionists got the whole pie 25 years earlier?
Story number two: There are no Palestinian borders. Those are the Mandate borders. The territory belongs to the Mandate. And the Mandate is charged with creating a Jewish National Home.
So then, why didn't the Mandate just pass the territory to the Zionists?
Mission accomplished!
You people make no sense.
That ducks my questions.P F Tinmore, et al,
(COMMENT)You skip over the most important points then base your conclusions on false premise.
There is no false premise here at all; unless we are talking about your statements here.
(COMMENT)1) Upon the conclusion of the Treaty of Lausanne, Palestine became a successor state and the Palestinians became citizens. With this change, the Palestinians became the sovereigns of that defined territory.
Nowhere in the Treaty of Lausanne, does it mention Palestine or a successor government.
In the Treaty says:
ARTICLE 16.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.
The allied Powers were (by treaty) given the Title, all rights and the future of these territories.
They became citizens of the Territory under the Mandate of Palestine, herein after "Palestine." (Palestine Order in Council)
UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/138
27 February 1948
The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.
The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:
"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.
"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.
The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:
"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."
The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.
"The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."
(COMMENT)2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.
I'm not sure you are correct.
The second to the last paragraph of this joint media release PAL/169 says in part: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been Implemented."
While it really does not matter if the Palestinians believe or disbelieve the UN Media Release, the fact is that the Jewish Agency made a good faith effort (much more more that the Arab Palestinians) in following the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outline in UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/181(II). The Provisional Government fought back the Arab League invasion and the attacks by the Hostile Arab Palestinians and achieve sovereignty, independence and recognition.
Most Respectfully,
R"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.Here is where we need some deep thinking. (A rare commodity among Zionists.)
Story number one: The LoN gave the territory to the Zionists in 1923.
So then, why did the Mandate pass the torch to the UN and not the Zionists?
What was the point of resolution 181 if the Zionists got the whole pie 25 years earlier?
Story number two: There are no Palestinian borders. Those are the Mandate borders. The territory belongs to the Mandate. And the Mandate is charged with creating a Jewish National Home.
So then, why didn't the Mandate just pass the territory to the Zionists?
Mission accomplished!
You people make no sense.
The mandate did, you are confusing the mandatory again, the way the INTERNATIONAL LAW that created the two palestines was written until the LoN/UN signed of the Jews ability to create a government and stand on their own.
It was a plot by the arab muslims, nazi's and white supremacists to create dissent amongst the Jews hoping they would kick of and allow the UN to withdraw the original mandate and make it wholly muslim. The UN did not have the right to partition the Jewish section of the Mandate of palestine, and were told as much. This is why they altered the UN charter in 1949 to protect the Jews rights to all of Jewish palestine.
That is correct there has never been any borders of palestine, only those borders delineated by the LoN mandate ( confused again by the mandatory arent we ) mandate were of the Jewish national home and trans Jordan.
They did through the UN when the Jews declared their state on May 15 1948 in accordance with the Msndate of palestine and the UN charter. Trans Jordan only declared their state in 1946 and were signed of by the British mandatory.
All this has been posted before on this board and no doubt you will ignore this as you have previously
Actually, no. As noted, all of this has been addressed for you previously, on multiple occassions. You simply continue with a refusal to acknowledge the historical record.That ducks my questions.P F Tinmore, et al,
(COMMENT)You skip over the most important points then base your conclusions on false premise.
There is no false premise here at all; unless we are talking about your statements here.
(COMMENT)1) Upon the conclusion of the Treaty of Lausanne, Palestine became a successor state and the Palestinians became citizens. With this change, the Palestinians became the sovereigns of that defined territory.
Nowhere in the Treaty of Lausanne, does it mention Palestine or a successor government.
In the Treaty says:
ARTICLE 16.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.
The allied Powers were (by treaty) given the Title, all rights and the future of these territories.
They became citizens of the Territory under the Mandate of Palestine, herein after "Palestine." (Palestine Order in Council)
UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/138
27 February 1948
The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.
The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:
"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.
"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.
The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:
"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."
The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.
"The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."
(COMMENT)2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.
I'm not sure you are correct.
The second to the last paragraph of this joint media release PAL/169 says in part: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been Implemented."
While it really does not matter if the Palestinians believe or disbelieve the UN Media Release, the fact is that the Jewish Agency made a good faith effort (much more more that the Arab Palestinians) in following the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outline in UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/181(II). The Provisional Government fought back the Arab League invasion and the attacks by the Hostile Arab Palestinians and achieve sovereignty, independence and recognition.
Most Respectfully,
R"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.Here is where we need some deep thinking. (A rare commodity among Zionists.)
Story number one: The LoN gave the territory to the Zionists in 1923.
So then, why did the Mandate pass the torch to the UN and not the Zionists?
What was the point of resolution 181 if the Zionists got the whole pie 25 years earlier?
Story number two: There are no Palestinian borders. Those are the Mandate borders. The territory belongs to the Mandate. And the Mandate is charged with creating a Jewish National Home.
So then, why didn't the Mandate just pass the territory to the Zionists?
Mission accomplished!
You people make no sense.
The mandate did, you are confusing the mandatory again, the way the INTERNATIONAL LAW that created the two palestines was written until the LoN/UN signed of the Jews ability to create a government and stand on their own.
It was a plot by the arab muslims, nazi's and white supremacists to create dissent amongst the Jews hoping they would kick of and allow the UN to withdraw the original mandate and make it wholly muslim. The UN did not have the right to partition the Jewish section of the Mandate of palestine, and were told as much. This is why they altered the UN charter in 1949 to protect the Jews rights to all of Jewish palestine.
That is correct there has never been any borders of palestine, only those borders delineated by the LoN mandate ( confused again by the mandatory arent we ) mandate were of the Jewish national home and trans Jordan.
They did through the UN when the Jews declared their state on May 15 1948 in accordance with the Msndate of palestine and the UN charter. Trans Jordan only declared their state in 1946 and were signed of by the British mandatory.
All this has been posted before on this board and no doubt you will ignore this as you have previously
Actually, no. As noted, all of this has been addressed for you previously, on multiple occassions. You simply continue with a refusal to acknowledge the historical record.That ducks my questions.P F Tinmore, et al,
(COMMENT)You skip over the most important points then base your conclusions on false premise.
There is no false premise here at all; unless we are talking about your statements here.
(COMMENT)1) Upon the conclusion of the Treaty of Lausanne, Palestine became a successor state and the Palestinians became citizens. With this change, the Palestinians became the sovereigns of that defined territory.
Nowhere in the Treaty of Lausanne, does it mention Palestine or a successor government.
In the Treaty says:
ARTICLE 16.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.
The allied Powers were (by treaty) given the Title, all rights and the future of these territories.
They became citizens of the Territory under the Mandate of Palestine, herein after "Palestine." (Palestine Order in Council)
UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/138
27 February 1948
The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.
The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:
"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.
"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.
The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:
"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."
The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.
"The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."
(COMMENT)2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.
I'm not sure you are correct.
The second to the last paragraph of this joint media release PAL/169 says in part: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been Implemented."
While it really does not matter if the Palestinians believe or disbelieve the UN Media Release, the fact is that the Jewish Agency made a good faith effort (much more more that the Arab Palestinians) in following the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outline in UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/181(II). The Provisional Government fought back the Arab League invasion and the attacks by the Hostile Arab Palestinians and achieve sovereignty, independence and recognition.
Most Respectfully,
R"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.Here is where we need some deep thinking. (A rare commodity among Zionists.)
Story number one: The LoN gave the territory to the Zionists in 1923.
So then, why did the Mandate pass the torch to the UN and not the Zionists?
What was the point of resolution 181 if the Zionists got the whole pie 25 years earlier?
Story number two: There are no Palestinian borders. Those are the Mandate borders. The territory belongs to the Mandate. And the Mandate is charged with creating a Jewish National Home.
So then, why didn't the Mandate just pass the territory to the Zionists?
Mission accomplished!
You people make no sense.
The mandate did, you are confusing the mandatory again, the way the INTERNATIONAL LAW that created the two palestines was written until the LoN/UN signed of the Jews ability to create a government and stand on their own.
It was a plot by the arab muslims, nazi's and white supremacists to create dissent amongst the Jews hoping they would kick of and allow the UN to withdraw the original mandate and make it wholly muslim. The UN did not have the right to partition the Jewish section of the Mandate of palestine, and were told as much. This is why they altered the UN charter in 1949 to protect the Jews rights to all of Jewish palestine.
That is correct there has never been any borders of palestine, only those borders delineated by the LoN mandate ( confused again by the mandatory arent we ) mandate were of the Jewish national home and trans Jordan.
They did through the UN when the Jews declared their state on May 15 1948 in accordance with the Msndate of palestine and the UN charter. Trans Jordan only declared their state in 1946 and were signed of by the British mandatory.
All this has been posted before on this board and no doubt you will ignore this as you have previously
Actually, no. As noted, all of this has been addressed for you previously, on multiple occassions. You simply continue with a refusal to acknowledge the historical record.That ducks my questions.P F Tinmore, et al,
(COMMENT)
There is no false premise here at all; unless we are talking about your statements here.
(COMMENT)
Nowhere in the Treaty of Lausanne, does it mention Palestine or a successor government.
In the Treaty says:
ARTICLE 16.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.
The allied Powers were (by treaty) given the Title, all rights and the future of these territories.
They became citizens of the Territory under the Mandate of Palestine, herein after "Palestine." (Palestine Order in Council)
UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/138
27 February 1948
The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.
The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:
"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.
"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.
The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:
"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."
The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.
"The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."
(COMMENT)
I'm not sure you are correct.
The second to the last paragraph of this joint media release PAL/169 says in part: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been Implemented."
While it really does not matter if the Palestinians believe or disbelieve the UN Media Release, the fact is that the Jewish Agency made a good faith effort (much more more that the Arab Palestinians) in following the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outline in UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/181(II). The Provisional Government fought back the Arab League invasion and the attacks by the Hostile Arab Palestinians and achieve sovereignty, independence and recognition.
Most Respectfully,
R"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.Here is where we need some deep thinking. (A rare commodity among Zionists.)
Story number one: The LoN gave the territory to the Zionists in 1923.
So then, why did the Mandate pass the torch to the UN and not the Zionists?
What was the point of resolution 181 if the Zionists got the whole pie 25 years earlier?
Story number two: There are no Palestinian borders. Those are the Mandate borders. The territory belongs to the Mandate. And the Mandate is charged with creating a Jewish National Home.
So then, why didn't the Mandate just pass the territory to the Zionists?
Mission accomplished!
You people make no sense.
The mandate did, you are confusing the mandatory again, the way the INTERNATIONAL LAW that created the two palestines was written until the LoN/UN signed of the Jews ability to create a government and stand on their own.
It was a plot by the arab muslims, nazi's and white supremacists to create dissent amongst the Jews hoping they would kick of and allow the UN to withdraw the original mandate and make it wholly muslim. The UN did not have the right to partition the Jewish section of the Mandate of palestine, and were told as much. This is why they altered the UN charter in 1949 to protect the Jews rights to all of Jewish palestine.
That is correct there has never been any borders of palestine, only those borders delineated by the LoN mandate ( confused again by the mandatory arent we ) mandate were of the Jewish national home and trans Jordan.
They did through the UN when the Jews declared their state on May 15 1948 in accordance with the Msndate of palestine and the UN charter. Trans Jordan only declared their state in 1946 and were signed of by the British mandatory.
All this has been posted before on this board and no doubt you will ignore this as you have previously
P F Tinmore, et al,
(COMMENT)You skip over the most important points then base your conclusions on false premise.
There is no false premise here at all; unless we are talking about your statements here.
(COMMENT)1) Upon the conclusion of the Treaty of Lausanne, Palestine became a successor state and the Palestinians became citizens. With this change, the Palestinians became the sovereigns of that defined territory.
Nowhere in the Treaty of Lausanne, does it mention Palestine or a successor government.
In the Treaty says:
ARTICLE 16.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.
The allied Powers were (by treaty) given the Title, all rights and the future of these territories.
They became citizens of the Territory under the Mandate of Palestine, herein after "Palestine." (Palestine Order in Council)
UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/138
27 February 1948
The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.
The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:
"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.
"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.
The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:
"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."
The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.
"The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."
(COMMENT)2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.
I'm not sure you are correct.
The second to the last paragraph of this joint media release PAL/169 says in part: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been Implemented."
While it really does not matter if the Palestinians believe or disbelieve the UN Media Release, the fact is that the Jewish Agency made a good faith effort (much more more that the Arab Palestinians) in following the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outline in UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/181(II). The Provisional Government fought back the Arab League invasion and the attacks by the Hostile Arab Palestinians and achieve sovereignty, independence and recognition.
Most Respectfully,
R"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.Here is where we need some deep thinking. (A rare commodity among Zionists.)
Story number one: The LoN gave the territory to the Zionists in 1923.
So then, why did the Mandate pass the torch to the UN and not the Zionists?
What was the point of resolution 181 if the Zionists got the whole pie 25 years earlier?
Story number two: There are no Palestinian borders. Those are the Mandate borders. The territory belongs to the Mandate. And the Mandate is charged with creating a Jewish National Home.
So then, why didn't the Mandate just pass the territory to the Zionists?
Mission accomplished!
You people make no sense.
(COMMENT)RoccoR said:2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.
(COMMENT)
I'm not sure you are correct.
Yes I am. There was no transfer of territory. Neither the Mandate nor the UN had the authority to transfer territory.
(COMMENT)2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.
"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.Here is where we need some deep thinking. (A rare commodity among Zionists.)
Story number one: The LoN gave the territory to the Zionists in 1923.
So then, why did the Mandate pass the torch to the UN and not the Zionists?
What was the point of resolution 181 if the Zionists got the whole pie 25 years earlier?
Story number two: There are no Palestinian borders. Those are the Mandate borders. The territory belongs to the Mandate. And the Mandate is charged with creating a Jewish National Home.
So then, why didn't the Mandate just pass the territory to the Zionists?
Mission accomplished!
You people make no sense.
That ducks my questions.P F Tinmore, et al,
(COMMENT)You skip over the most important points then base your conclusions on false premise.
There is no false premise here at all; unless we are talking about your statements here.
(COMMENT)1) Upon the conclusion of the Treaty of Lausanne, Palestine became a successor state and the Palestinians became citizens. With this change, the Palestinians became the sovereigns of that defined territory.
Nowhere in the Treaty of Lausanne, does it mention Palestine or a successor government.
In the Treaty says:
ARTICLE 16.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.
The allied Powers were (by treaty) given the Title, all rights and the future of these territories.
They became citizens of the Territory under the Mandate of Palestine, herein after "Palestine." (Palestine Order in Council)
UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/138
27 February 1948
The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.
The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:
"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.
"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.
The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:
"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."
The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.
"The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."
(COMMENT)2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.
I'm not sure you are correct.
The second to the last paragraph of this joint media release PAL/169 says in part: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been Implemented."
While it really does not matter if the Palestinians believe or disbelieve the UN Media Release, the fact is that the Jewish Agency made a good faith effort (much more more that the Arab Palestinians) in following the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outline in UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/181(II). The Provisional Government fought back the Arab League invasion and the attacks by the Hostile Arab Palestinians and achieve sovereignty, independence and recognition.
Most Respectfully,
R"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.Here is where we need some deep thinking. (A rare commodity among Zionists.)
Story number one: The LoN gave the territory to the Zionists in 1923.
So then, why did the Mandate pass the torch to the UN and not the Zionists?
What was the point of resolution 181 if the Zionists got the whole pie 25 years earlier?
Story number two: There are no Palestinian borders. Those are the Mandate borders. The territory belongs to the Mandate. And the Mandate is charged with creating a Jewish National Home.
So then, why didn't the Mandate just pass the territory to the Zionists?
Mission accomplished!
You people make no sense.
The mandate did, you are confusing the mandatory again, the way the INTERNATIONAL LAW that created the two palestines was written until the LoN/UN signed of the Jews ability to create a government and stand on their own.
It was a plot by the arab muslims, nazi's and white supremacists to create dissent amongst the Jews hoping they would kick of and allow the UN to withdraw the original mandate and make it wholly muslim. The UN did not have the right to partition the Jewish section of the Mandate of palestine, and were told as much. This is why they altered the UN charter in 1949 to protect the Jews rights to all of Jewish palestine.
That is correct there has never been any borders of palestine, only those borders delineated by the LoN mandate ( confused again by the mandatory arent we ) mandate were of the Jewish national home and trans Jordan.
They did through the UN when the Jews declared their state on May 15 1948 in accordance with the Msndate of palestine and the UN charter. Trans Jordan only declared their state in 1946 and were signed of by the British mandatory.
All this has been posted before on this board and no doubt you will ignore this as you have previously
Actually, no. As noted, all of this has been addressed for you previously, on multiple occassions. You simply continue with a refusal to acknowledge the historical record.That ducks my questions.P F Tinmore, et al,
(COMMENT)
There is no false premise here at all; unless we are talking about your statements here.
(COMMENT)
Nowhere in the Treaty of Lausanne, does it mention Palestine or a successor government.
In the Treaty says:
ARTICLE 16.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.
The allied Powers were (by treaty) given the Title, all rights and the future of these territories.
They became citizens of the Territory under the Mandate of Palestine, herein after "Palestine." (Palestine Order in Council)
UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/138
27 February 1948
The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.
The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:
"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.
"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.
The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:
"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."
The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.
"The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."
(COMMENT)
I'm not sure you are correct.
The second to the last paragraph of this joint media release PAL/169 says in part: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been Implemented."
While it really does not matter if the Palestinians believe or disbelieve the UN Media Release, the fact is that the Jewish Agency made a good faith effort (much more more that the Arab Palestinians) in following the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outline in UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/181(II). The Provisional Government fought back the Arab League invasion and the attacks by the Hostile Arab Palestinians and achieve sovereignty, independence and recognition.
Most Respectfully,
R"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.Here is where we need some deep thinking. (A rare commodity among Zionists.)
Story number one: The LoN gave the territory to the Zionists in 1923.
So then, why did the Mandate pass the torch to the UN and not the Zionists?
What was the point of resolution 181 if the Zionists got the whole pie 25 years earlier?
Story number two: There are no Palestinian borders. Those are the Mandate borders. The territory belongs to the Mandate. And the Mandate is charged with creating a Jewish National Home.
So then, why didn't the Mandate just pass the territory to the Zionists?
Mission accomplished!
You people make no sense.
The mandate did, you are confusing the mandatory again, the way the INTERNATIONAL LAW that created the two palestines was written until the LoN/UN signed of the Jews ability to create a government and stand on their own.
It was a plot by the arab muslims, nazi's and white supremacists to create dissent amongst the Jews hoping they would kick of and allow the UN to withdraw the original mandate and make it wholly muslim. The UN did not have the right to partition the Jewish section of the Mandate of palestine, and were told as much. This is why they altered the UN charter in 1949 to protect the Jews rights to all of Jewish palestine.
That is correct there has never been any borders of palestine, only those borders delineated by the LoN mandate ( confused again by the mandatory arent we ) mandate were of the Jewish national home and trans Jordan.
They did through the UN when the Jews declared their state on May 15 1948 in accordance with the Msndate of palestine and the UN charter. Trans Jordan only declared their state in 1946 and were signed of by the British mandatory.
All this has been posted before on this board and no doubt you will ignore this as you have previously
P F Tinmore, et al,
Well, you don't like the answer, but then, what water does that hold.
(COMMENT)RoccoR said:2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.
(COMMENT)
I'm not sure you are correct.
Yes I am. There was no transfer of territory. Neither the Mandate nor the UN had the authority to transfer territory.
There is "no transfer of territory" because the Treaty of Westphalia and the creation of nearly every nation state since the Treaty of Westphalia, doesn't have a "transfer."
The Treaty of Lausanne say the territory, its title, rights, and future, goes to the Allied Powers (the parties signed that and agreed to that). That is all that is required; who are you to require more? If that wasn't the case, then the territory would revert back to Turkish Sovereignty.
Sovereignty was achieved through a Declarative Process, and successfully defended nearly 70 years ago.
Don't try to inject some "Tinmore Unique Requirement" into the process. There is no International Law that says that the parties to a treaty must conform to your standard and meet your legal test. As long as the treaty meets the general criteria for a Treaty under the Vienna Convention, then whatever the parties to the treaty agree upon and do not later contest, is their business.
Most Respectfully,
R
What you and Rocco don't understand is THAT THE ZIONISTS BRIBED COUNTRIES TO VOTE THEIR WAY IN THE UN......you essentially cheated your way...PERIODThat ducks my questions.P F Tinmore, et al,
(COMMENT)You skip over the most important points then base your conclusions on false premise.
There is no false premise here at all; unless we are talking about your statements here.
(COMMENT)1) Upon the conclusion of the Treaty of Lausanne, Palestine became a successor state and the Palestinians became citizens. With this change, the Palestinians became the sovereigns of that defined territory.
Nowhere in the Treaty of Lausanne, does it mention Palestine or a successor government.
In the Treaty says:
ARTICLE 16.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.
The allied Powers were (by treaty) given the Title, all rights and the future of these territories.
They became citizens of the Territory under the Mandate of Palestine, herein after "Palestine." (Palestine Order in Council)
UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/138
27 February 1948
The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.
The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:
"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.
"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.
The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:
"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."
The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.
"The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."
(COMMENT)2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.
I'm not sure you are correct.
The second to the last paragraph of this joint media release PAL/169 says in part: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been Implemented."
While it really does not matter if the Palestinians believe or disbelieve the UN Media Release, the fact is that the Jewish Agency made a good faith effort (much more more that the Arab Palestinians) in following the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outline in UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/181(II). The Provisional Government fought back the Arab League invasion and the attacks by the Hostile Arab Palestinians and achieve sovereignty, independence and recognition.
Most Respectfully,
R"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.Here is where we need some deep thinking. (A rare commodity among Zionists.)
Story number one: The LoN gave the territory to the Zionists in 1923.
So then, why did the Mandate pass the torch to the UN and not the Zionists?
What was the point of resolution 181 if the Zionists got the whole pie 25 years earlier?
Story number two: There are no Palestinian borders. Those are the Mandate borders. The territory belongs to the Mandate. And the Mandate is charged with creating a Jewish National Home.
So then, why didn't the Mandate just pass the territory to the Zionists?
Mission accomplished!
You people make no sense.
The mandate did, you are confusing the mandatory again, the way the INTERNATIONAL LAW that created the two palestines was written until the LoN/UN signed of the Jews ability to create a government and stand on their own.
It was a plot by the arab muslims, nazi's and white supremacists to create dissent amongst the Jews hoping they would kick of and allow the UN to withdraw the original mandate and make it wholly muslim. The UN did not have the right to partition the Jewish section of the Mandate of palestine, and were told as much. This is why they altered the UN charter in 1949 to protect the Jews rights to all of Jewish palestine.
That is correct there has never been any borders of palestine, only those borders delineated by the LoN mandate ( confused again by the mandatory arent we ) mandate were of the Jewish national home and trans Jordan.
They did through the UN when the Jews declared their state on May 15 1948 in accordance with the Msndate of palestine and the UN charter. Trans Jordan only declared their state in 1946 and were signed of by the British mandatory.
All this has been posted before on this board and no doubt you will ignore this as you have previously
No it answers it and you know it does, this is why you deny it answers your question.
The LoN under the MANDATE OF PALESTINE ( not the mandatory ) gave the land to the Jews to be claimed when they felt able to form a government and stand on their own. This they did in 1948/1949 and so title passed from the MANDATE to the Jews.
There are no delineated borders of a nation of palestine other than those of trans Jordan which was the arab muslims national home created in 1946 under the MANDATE OF PALESTINE.
What do you find so hard to understand about the facts ?
P F Tinmore, et al,
Well, you don't like the answer, but then, what water does that hold.
(COMMENT)RoccoR said:2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.
(COMMENT)
I'm not sure you are correct.
Yes I am. There was no transfer of territory. Neither the Mandate nor the UN had the authority to transfer territory.
There is "no transfer of territory" because the Treaty of Westphalia and the creation of nearly every nation state since the Treaty of Westphalia, doesn't have a "transfer."
The Treaty of Lausanne say the territory, its title, rights, and future, goes to the Allied Powers (the parties signed that and agreed to that). That is all that is required; who are you to require more? If that wasn't the case, then the territory would revert back to Turkish Sovereignty.
Sovereignty was achieved through a Declarative Process, and successfully defended nearly 70 years ago.
Don't try to inject some "Tinmore Unique Requirement" into the process. There is no International Law that says that the parties to a treaty must conform to your standard and meet your legal test. As long as the treaty meets the general criteria for a Treaty under the Vienna Convention, then whatever the parties to the treaty agree upon and do not later contest, is their business.
Most Respectfully,
RThe Treaty of Lausanne say the territory, its title, rights, and future, goes to the Allied Powers (the parties signed that and agreed to that).
Again you are jumping over the important part and basing your conclusion on false premise.
The Court recalled that, in its 1950 opinion on the International Status of South West Africa, it held that "two principles were considered to be of paramount importance" with respect to territories that were placed under the Mandate system: "the principle of non-annexation and the principle that the well-being and development of... peoples not yet able to govern themselves] form[ed] 'a sacred trust of civilization.,,
Current international law understands sovereignty to be vested in the people, giving expression to the right to self-determination.
http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1299&context=bjil
The territory did not pass to the Mandate but directly to the people. Sovereignty was in the hands of the people.
What you and Rocco don't understand is THAT THE ZIONISTS BRIBED COUNTRIES TO VOTE THEIR WAY IN THE UN......you essentially cheated your way...PERIODThat ducks my questions.P F Tinmore, et al,
(COMMENT)
There is no false premise here at all; unless we are talking about your statements here.
(COMMENT)
Nowhere in the Treaty of Lausanne, does it mention Palestine or a successor government.
In the Treaty says:
ARTICLE 16.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.
The allied Powers were (by treaty) given the Title, all rights and the future of these territories.
They became citizens of the Territory under the Mandate of Palestine, herein after "Palestine." (Palestine Order in Council)
UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/138
27 February 1948
The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.
The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:
"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.
"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.
The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:
"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."
The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.
"The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."
(COMMENT)
I'm not sure you are correct.
The second to the last paragraph of this joint media release PAL/169 says in part: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been Implemented."
While it really does not matter if the Palestinians believe or disbelieve the UN Media Release, the fact is that the Jewish Agency made a good faith effort (much more more that the Arab Palestinians) in following the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outline in UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/181(II). The Provisional Government fought back the Arab League invasion and the attacks by the Hostile Arab Palestinians and achieve sovereignty, independence and recognition.
Most Respectfully,
R"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.Here is where we need some deep thinking. (A rare commodity among Zionists.)
Story number one: The LoN gave the territory to the Zionists in 1923.
So then, why did the Mandate pass the torch to the UN and not the Zionists?
What was the point of resolution 181 if the Zionists got the whole pie 25 years earlier?
Story number two: There are no Palestinian borders. Those are the Mandate borders. The territory belongs to the Mandate. And the Mandate is charged with creating a Jewish National Home.
So then, why didn't the Mandate just pass the territory to the Zionists?
Mission accomplished!
You people make no sense.
The mandate did, you are confusing the mandatory again, the way the INTERNATIONAL LAW that created the two palestines was written until the LoN/UN signed of the Jews ability to create a government and stand on their own.
It was a plot by the arab muslims, nazi's and white supremacists to create dissent amongst the Jews hoping they would kick of and allow the UN to withdraw the original mandate and make it wholly muslim. The UN did not have the right to partition the Jewish section of the Mandate of palestine, and were told as much. This is why they altered the UN charter in 1949 to protect the Jews rights to all of Jewish palestine.
That is correct there has never been any borders of palestine, only those borders delineated by the LoN mandate ( confused again by the mandatory arent we ) mandate were of the Jewish national home and trans Jordan.
They did through the UN when the Jews declared their state on May 15 1948 in accordance with the Msndate of palestine and the UN charter. Trans Jordan only declared their state in 1946 and were signed of by the British mandatory.
All this has been posted before on this board and no doubt you will ignore this as you have previously
No it answers it and you know it does, this is why you deny it answers your question.
The LoN under the MANDATE OF PALESTINE ( not the mandatory ) gave the land to the Jews to be claimed when they felt able to form a government and stand on their own. This they did in 1948/1949 and so title passed from the MANDATE to the Jews.
There are no delineated borders of a nation of palestine other than those of trans Jordan which was the arab muslims national home created in 1946 under the MANDATE OF PALESTINE.
What do you find so hard to understand about the facts ?
I'm RIGHT of course>>>>>>Now understand the truth<Just admit it<like your Zionist collaboration with the Nazis,i would think highly of you Pheo if you could just ADMIT the truth,also Rocco too<instead of all these blatant excuses you offer...steveWhat you and Rocco don't understand is THAT THE ZIONISTS BRIBED COUNTRIES TO VOTE THEIR WAY IN THE UN......you essentially cheated your way...PERIODThat ducks my questions."After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.Here is where we need some deep thinking. (A rare commodity among Zionists.)
Story number one: The LoN gave the territory to the Zionists in 1923.
So then, why did the Mandate pass the torch to the UN and not the Zionists?
What was the point of resolution 181 if the Zionists got the whole pie 25 years earlier?
Story number two: There are no Palestinian borders. Those are the Mandate borders. The territory belongs to the Mandate. And the Mandate is charged with creating a Jewish National Home.
So then, why didn't the Mandate just pass the territory to the Zionists?
Mission accomplished!
You people make no sense.
The mandate did, you are confusing the mandatory again, the way the INTERNATIONAL LAW that created the two palestines was written until the LoN/UN signed of the Jews ability to create a government and stand on their own.
It was a plot by the arab muslims, nazi's and white supremacists to create dissent amongst the Jews hoping they would kick of and allow the UN to withdraw the original mandate and make it wholly muslim. The UN did not have the right to partition the Jewish section of the Mandate of palestine, and were told as much. This is why they altered the UN charter in 1949 to protect the Jews rights to all of Jewish palestine.
That is correct there has never been any borders of palestine, only those borders delineated by the LoN mandate ( confused again by the mandatory arent we ) mandate were of the Jewish national home and trans Jordan.
They did through the UN when the Jews declared their state on May 15 1948 in accordance with the Msndate of palestine and the UN charter. Trans Jordan only declared their state in 1946 and were signed of by the British mandatory.
All this has been posted before on this board and no doubt you will ignore this as you have previously
No it answers it and you know it does, this is why you deny it answers your question.
The LoN under the MANDATE OF PALESTINE ( not the mandatory ) gave the land to the Jews to be claimed when they felt able to form a government and stand on their own. This they did in 1948/1949 and so title passed from the MANDATE to the Jews.
There are no delineated borders of a nation of palestine other than those of trans Jordan which was the arab muslims national home created in 1946 under the MANDATE OF PALESTINE.
What do you find so hard to understand about the facts ?
Another of your RACIST claims that you will now refuse to substantiate, then deflect and derail hoping that no one will notice.
What you dont understand is we see right through your words to the Jew hate and Nazism that you wallow in like the supremacist pig you are
