Dozens of Spanish cities declaring themselves ‘Free of Israeli Apartheid’

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Reference Posting #47

Rocco just did.

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Actually NOT. None of these links are applicable. While they are often cited by Hostile Arab Palestinians, they do not apply to actions before 1950.

Most Respectfully,
R

As you know, international law is not legislated but comes about in an evolutionary process. There are conventions, like the Geneva Convention, where existing international law is refined and compiled.

Here are some articles from the Hague Convention of 1907 that you will find more refined versions in the Geneva convention.

Art. 25. The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.

Art. 28. The pillage of a town or place, even when taken by assault, is prohibited.

Art. 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

Art. 46. Family honour and rights, the lives of persons, and private property, as well as religious convictions and practice, must be respected.
Private property cannot be confiscated.

Art. 47. Pillage is formally forbidden.

Art. 55. The occupying State shall be regarded only as administrator and usufructuary of public buildings, real estate, forests, and agricultural estates belonging to the hostile State, and situated in the occupied country. It must safeguard the capital of these properties, and administer them in accordance with the rules of usufruct.

Art. 56. The property of municipalities, that of institutions dedicated to religion, charity and education, the arts and sciences, even when State property, shall be treated as private property.
All seizure of, destruction or wilful damage done to institutions of this character, historic monuments, works of art and science, is forbidden, and should be made the subject of legal proceedings.

ICRC service​

I believe that Israel violated these laws that were in affect before 1949 along with some that evolved after 1907.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, you have changed the question. The question we were discussing was a matter of "apartheid." I see no "apartheid" ruling or law expressed here. But I will address you new questions.

As you know, international law is not legislated but comes about in an evolutionary process. There are conventions, like the Geneva Convention, where existing international law is refined and compiled.

Here are some articles from the Hague Convention of 1907 that you will find more refined versions in the Geneva convention.

(COMMENT)

Absolutely, I acknowledge (and have used quite frequently) the Century (109 years) old Hague Regulation still has some applicability in today's conflict.

• Articles 25 thru 28 come from SECTION II -- HOSTILITIES CHAPTER I --- Means of Injuring the Enemy, Sieges, and Bombardments

• Articles 42 thru 56 come from SECTION III -- MILITARY AUTHORITY OVER THE TERRITORY OF THE HOSTILE STATE.
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Each case involving these article have to be adjudicated individually. None of these prohibitions are blanket applicable or unassailable.

Art. 25. The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.

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Article 25 no claim has been made, by either party (Israel or Arab) to the open attack on 15 May 1948.

The first Arab-Israeli war, 1948-1949
Pages 9/10 Chapter 2: The Partition Plan and the end of the British mandate, The Question of Palestine and the United Nations

"On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighbouring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs."
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On the establishment of the Armistice, neither the Arab League [and the Violation of Chapter I - Artivle 2(3, 4) of the UN Charter] or Israel pressed complaints to the Permanent Court of International Justice. Misdeeds were noted on both sides.

Art. 28. The pillage of a town or place, even when taken by assault, is prohibited.

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Again, neither side chose to pursue a complaint although there were several famous accounts on both sides. However, to hear the Arab-Palestinian commentary, the Arab League was not responsible for any "massacres" --- not even the Jewish Quarter in Jerusalem. The Lists of Massacres (May 48 - Nov 48) generally holds that the Arabs are squeaky clean.

I think that this song by the Hostile Arab Palestinians has been played so many times that no objective evaluation is even possible. Certainly the perpetual victim, squeaky clean Arab Palestinian that never violates any IHL or any significant even has been played too often. Just like America is held accountable for all the evil in the world, so it is that Israel has come to accept that they will be blamed for every evil associated with the Arab Israeli Conflict. (Play it again Sam!)

Art. 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

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Yes, of course that no Hostile Arab Palestinian was ever involved in any altercation, riot, bombing, kidnapping/Murder, hijacking, infiltration actions by sea and tunnel, and attack in the area. And heaven forbid that the Arab Palestinian ever intentionally targeted civilians and non-combatants. No ....

Art. 46. Family honour and rights, the lives of persons, and private property, as well as religious convictions and practice, must be respected.
Private property cannot be confiscated.

(COMMENT)

Even in the United State, there are numerous (near daily) Civil forfeiture, or occasionally civil seizure, in which law enforcement officers take assets from persons suspected of involvement with crime or illegal activity without necessarily charging the owners. Article 46 does not prohibit all such seizures that are common in serious crimes.

Art. 47. Pillage is formally forbidden.

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I'm not even sure where this was a problem. It was put on the books to preserve art and antiquities held in private hands, as well as the looting of museums and conservatories. In many nations, this can be a capital offense.

Art. 55. The occupying State shall be regarded only as administrator and usufructuary of public buildings, real estate, forests, and agricultural estates belonging to the hostile State, and situated in the occupied country. It must safeguard the capital of these properties, and administer them in accordance with the rules of usufruct.

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Ah, this has to do with the "Occupation" and not the conduct of hostilities.

Art. 56. The property of municipalities, that of institutions dedicated to religion, charity and education, the arts and sciences, even when State property, shall be treated as private property.
All seizure of, destruction or wilful damage done to institutions of this character, historic monuments, works of art and science, is forbidden, and should be made the subject of legal proceedings.

(COMMENT)

This is seldom an issue with the Arab-Israeli conflict except for Arab Hostilities in Jerusalem.

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I believe that Israel violated these laws that were in affect before 1949 along with some that evolved after 1907.

(COMMENT)

No, I don't think that is true. But I also think that as time wears on, any thing to do with the 1948-1949 Conflict will become folklore more than historical fact. The propaganda machines have been over these period specific issues so many time, that it will be hard to separate fact from fiction.

The status quo works in Israel's favor. And no matter how the Arab Palestinians, even if they manage to completely bleach all the blood from their hand and present themselves as never having been involved in any despicable action.

In another thirty years, there will not have been any Arab Palestinian claiming the Right of Return to Israel. They will just become another failed state; unable to develop on their own and unable to stand alone. The will be a Regional Parasite.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Cadiz, provincial capital in the autonomous community of Andalusia in the Spanish state, has become the latest municipality to pass a motion supporting the Palestinian-led Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement for Palestinian rights and declaring itself an Israeli “Apartheid Free Zone”.

With a population of 120,000, Cadiz joins more than 50 cities and towns across the Spanish state which have voted to declare themselves spaces free from Israeli apartheid. Other famous Apartheid Free municipalities include Gran Canaria, Santiago de Compostela, Xixón-Gijón, Sevilla, Córdoba and Santa Eulària in Ibiza.

Inspired in part by a similar campaign during the struggle against apartheid in South Africa in the 1980s, the Israeli Apartheid Free Zone campaign, led by theSolidarity Network Against the Occupation of Palestine (RESCOP), seeks to create ‘islands of political consciousness’ and to break local ties with Israel’s regime of occupation, settler-colonialism and apartheid, as well as with international corporations and institutions that are complicit in the maintenance of Israel’s violations of international law.

The campaign, which is supported by social movements, businesses, schools, media and public institutions from across the Spanish state, has created a map indicating spaces free from Israeli apartheid.

By declaring themselves Israeli Apartheid Free Zones, local authorities agree to boycott corporations complicit in violations of international law and the rights of Palestinians as well as break ties with the Israeli regime and its complicit institutions. They will also support local awareness raising efforts and commit to conscientious procurement policies based on the human rights of the Palestinian people.
Attacks on a movement for freedom, justice and equality
Growing public support for the BDS movement for Palestinian human rights has prompted Israel and its allies to launch an unprecedented, well-funded and anti-democratic attack against everyone seeking to hold Israel accountable to international law and UN resolutions, especially through BDS advocacy.

The Israeli-sponsored attacks on the BDS movement aim to put pressure on governments, legislators and officials to curtail BDS civic actions and adopt repressive measures that infringe upon their respective citizens’ civil and political liberties at large.

In the Spanish state, attempts to silence the BDS movement, particularly on an institutional level, have been led by ACOM, a pro-Israeli Madrid-based lobby group.

ACOM has launched a number of legal appeals against local councils that have declared themselves Israeli Apartheid Free Zones.

However, ACOM’s strategy of intimidation has not been successful. Targeted cities have defended the democratic outcome of the votes, and informed courts, such as the First Administrative Court of Gijon, refused to accept ACOM’s complaints.

Dozens of Spanish cities declaring themselves ‘Free of Israeli Apartheid’
Good for Spain[, may it Grow

Who did this? Was it the Jews or the Muslims? I forget. Well, you and your fellow globalists do, anyhow.

2004 Madrid train bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[montelatici]

Dozens of Spanish cities declaring themselves ‘Free of Israeli Apartheid’

fanger, et al,

I am amazed that the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) make the allegation that "Israel" is "Apartheid," and that a unprecedented, well-funded and anti-democratic attack against everyone seeking to hold Israel accountable to:

• International Law,
• UN Resolutions,
• (especially through) BDS Advocacy.
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I could easily take-up an entire internet page on just the morality of the HoAP attempt to use the Rome Statues (Crimes against Humanity) or the Fourth Geneva Convention to justify allegations and attempts to do harm against the Jewish State of Israel.

Cadiz, provincial capital in the autonomous community of Andalusia in the Spanish state, has become the latest municipality to pass a motion supporting the Palestinian-led Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement for Palestinian rights and declaring itself an Israeli “Apartheid Free Zone”.

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With a population of 120,000, Cadiz joins more than 50 cities and towns across the Spanish state which have voted to declare themselves spaces free from Israeli apartheid. Other famous Apartheid Free municipalities include Gran Canaria, Santiago de Compostela, Xixón-Gijón, Sevilla, Córdoba and Santa Eulària in Ibiza.

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Growing public support for the BDS movement for Palestinian human rights has prompted Israel and its allies to launch an unprecedented, well-funded and anti-democratic attack against everyone seeking to hold Israel accountable to international law and UN resolutions, especially through BDS advocacy.

(COMMENT)

• International Law (THE ROME STATUTE ENTERED INTO FORCE ON 1 JULY 2002) Not Applicable prior to 2002.

§ For the purpose of Paragraph 1 - Article 7

International Criminal Code: Article 7 Crimes Against Humanity

1. For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:

(a) Murder;
(b) Extermination;
(c) Enslavement;
(d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
(e) Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law;
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ICC Meaning of "Apartheid"

(h) "The crime of apartheid" means inhumane acts of a character similar to those referred to in paragraph 1, committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime;
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Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
[indent[
DEPORTATIONS, TRANSFERS, EVACUATIONS
ARTICLE 49

Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.
Nevertheless, the Occupying Power may undertake total or partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. Such evacuations may not involve the displacement of protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory except when for material reasons it is impossible to avoid such displacement. Persons thus evacuated shall be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased.
The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene, health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family are not separated.
The Protecting Power shall be informed of any transfers and evacuations as soon as they have taken place.
The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.
The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.
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Article 7 (1) (d) International Criminal Code: Crimes Against Humanity

Crime Against Humanity of deportation or forcible transfer of population Elements

1. The perpetrator deported or forcibly transferred, without grounds permitted under international law, one or more persons to another State or location, by expulsion or other coercive acts.
2. Such person or persons were lawfully present in the area from which they were so deported or transferred.
3. The perpetrator was aware of the factual circumstances that established the lawfulness of such presence.
4. The conduct was committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.
5. The perpetrator knew that the conduct was part of or intended the conduct to be part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.

NOTES: The term “forcibly” is not restricted to physical force, but may include threat of force or coercion, such as that caused by fear of violence, duress, detention, psychological oppression or abuse of power against such person or persons or another person, or by taking advantage of a coercive environment.

“Deported or forcibly transferred” is interchangeable with “forcibly displaced.” Unlike deportation and forcible transfers, evacuation is a provisional measure entirely negative in character, and is, moreover, often (but not exclusively) taken in the interests of the protected persons themselves.
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This is a non-starter. There is no law (international or otherwise) wherein a population that has plegde itself to Jihad, and the armed struggle against a specific sovereinty must admit those threat into that country. In short, many countries have laws on the book that cover barment to entry deportation and removal of those undesirables in violation of immigration laws, serious criminal laws, terrorism, armed aggression, etc. ICRC Quote: "The 1958 Conference had particularly in mind the case of protected persons belonging to ethnic or political minorities who might have suffered discrimination or persecution on that account and might therefore wish to leave the country. In order to make due allowances for that legitimate desire the Conference decided to authorize voluntary transfers by implication, and only to prohibit "forcible" transfers."

And even when there were cases of "forceable" displacements, the HoAP were not moved beyond the limits of the territory formerly under the Mandate.

• UN Resolutions

Yes there are all kinds of lists that the anti-semitic, anti-Israeli, pro-HoAP have made in the last 70 years. But relative to "apartheid" there is no real evidence to submit supporting that allegation. The example (used to form conspiracy theories) is where the Knesset passed legislation that forbade spouses of Arab-Israeli citizens who are in the occupied territories from joining their families in Israel (with some exceptions). These are handled on a case by case basis. The apprehension here is that Israel might be forced to allow individuals with terrorist connections into the country. But as to the connection with the International Statute, there is no connection.

ISRAELI APARTHEID SYSTEM IS ILLEGAL: Laws Violated: International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (1976). Link to our fact sheets on Israeli Apartheid. Israeli Actions:

The State of Israel has a formal system of legalized discrimination against Palestinian Arabs which technically fits the official UN definition of Apartheid. ILRC article. Israel’s society-wide system of discrimination and isolation of the Palestinian people within Israel, and its system of exploitation, oppression and isolation in the occupied territories, fits exactly the official, legal UN definition of apartheid, which is considered to be a crime against humanity. The practice of passing laws which give special favor throughout Israeli society to the Jewish people over all other people, and especially the native Palestinian Arab people, embodies the UN definition of apartheid, which is giving special favor to one group of people above all other groups based on criteria like what religion they are.

Another example is in 2003, the Israeli legislature (Knesset) passed legislation that forbade spouses of Arab-Israeli citizens who are in the occupied territories from joining their families in Israel (with some exceptions). The reason for this legislation is to help maintain the Jewish demographic majority family unification. The racist nature is evident in that only Palestinians (no other ethnic groups) are not forbidden to live in Israel after marrying an Israeli. ILRC article. General article. Amnesty International argues that this law violates fundamental principles of equity, human dignity and personal freedom enshrined in basic law as well as the rights of the child to live with both parents and other fundamental rights enshrined in human rights treaties in which Israel is a signer. ILRC article on Israeli Apartheid.
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• BDS Advocacy: BDS is not enforceable law. End of argument.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is an Apartheid state. Full stop.

 

[Hollie]

Dozens of Spanish cities declaring themselves ‘Free of Israeli Apartheid’

fanger, et al,

I am amazed that the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) make the allegation that "Israel" is "Apartheid," and that a unprecedented, well-funded and anti-democratic attack against everyone seeking to hold Israel accountable to:

• International Law,
• UN Resolutions,
• (especially through) BDS Advocacy.
​

I could easily take-up an entire internet page on just the morality of the HoAP attempt to use the Rome Statues (Crimes against Humanity) or the Fourth Geneva Convention to justify allegations and attempts to do harm against the Jewish State of Israel.

Cadiz, provincial capital in the autonomous community of Andalusia in the Spanish state, has become the latest municipality to pass a motion supporting the Palestinian-led Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement for Palestinian rights and declaring itself an Israeli “Apartheid Free Zone”.

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With a population of 120,000, Cadiz joins more than 50 cities and towns across the Spanish state which have voted to declare themselves spaces free from Israeli apartheid. Other famous Apartheid Free municipalities include Gran Canaria, Santiago de Compostela, Xixón-Gijón, Sevilla, Córdoba and Santa Eulària in Ibiza.

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Growing public support for the BDS movement for Palestinian human rights has prompted Israel and its allies to launch an unprecedented, well-funded and anti-democratic attack against everyone seeking to hold Israel accountable to international law and UN resolutions, especially through BDS advocacy.

(COMMENT)

• International Law (THE ROME STATUTE ENTERED INTO FORCE ON 1 JULY 2002) Not Applicable prior to 2002.

§ For the purpose of Paragraph 1 - Article 7

International Criminal Code: Article 7 Crimes Against Humanity

1. For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:

(a) Murder;
(b) Extermination;
(c) Enslavement;
(d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
(e) Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law;
​

ICC Meaning of "Apartheid"

(h) "The crime of apartheid" means inhumane acts of a character similar to those referred to in paragraph 1, committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime;
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Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
[indent[
DEPORTATIONS, TRANSFERS, EVACUATIONS
ARTICLE 49

Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.
Nevertheless, the Occupying Power may undertake total or partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. Such evacuations may not involve the displacement of protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory except when for material reasons it is impossible to avoid such displacement. Persons thus evacuated shall be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased.
The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene, health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family are not separated.
The Protecting Power shall be informed of any transfers and evacuations as soon as they have taken place.
The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.
The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.
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Article 7 (1) (d) International Criminal Code: Crimes Against Humanity

Crime Against Humanity of deportation or forcible transfer of population Elements

1. The perpetrator deported or forcibly transferred, without grounds permitted under international law, one or more persons to another State or location, by expulsion or other coercive acts.
2. Such person or persons were lawfully present in the area from which they were so deported or transferred.
3. The perpetrator was aware of the factual circumstances that established the lawfulness of such presence.
4. The conduct was committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.
5. The perpetrator knew that the conduct was part of or intended the conduct to be part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.

NOTES: The term “forcibly” is not restricted to physical force, but may include threat of force or coercion, such as that caused by fear of violence, duress, detention, psychological oppression or abuse of power against such person or persons or another person, or by taking advantage of a coercive environment.

“Deported or forcibly transferred” is interchangeable with “forcibly displaced.” Unlike deportation and forcible transfers, evacuation is a provisional measure entirely negative in character, and is, moreover, often (but not exclusively) taken in the interests of the protected persons themselves.
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This is a non-starter. There is no law (international or otherwise) wherein a population that has plegde itself to Jihad, and the armed struggle against a specific sovereinty must admit those threat into that country. In short, many countries have laws on the book that cover barment to entry deportation and removal of those undesirables in violation of immigration laws, serious criminal laws, terrorism, armed aggression, etc. ICRC Quote: "The 1958 Conference had particularly in mind the case of protected persons belonging to ethnic or political minorities who might have suffered discrimination or persecution on that account and might therefore wish to leave the country. In order to make due allowances for that legitimate desire the Conference decided to authorize voluntary transfers by implication, and only to prohibit "forcible" transfers."

And even when there were cases of "forceable" displacements, the HoAP were not moved beyond the limits of the territory formerly under the Mandate.

• UN Resolutions

Yes there are all kinds of lists that the anti-semitic, anti-Israeli, pro-HoAP have made in the last 70 years. But relative to "apartheid" there is no real evidence to submit supporting that allegation. The example (used to form conspiracy theories) is where the Knesset passed legislation that forbade spouses of Arab-Israeli citizens who are in the occupied territories from joining their families in Israel (with some exceptions). These are handled on a case by case basis. The apprehension here is that Israel might be forced to allow individuals with terrorist connections into the country. But as to the connection with the International Statute, there is no connection.

ISRAELI APARTHEID SYSTEM IS ILLEGAL: Laws Violated: International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (1976). Link to our fact sheets on Israeli Apartheid. Israeli Actions:

The State of Israel has a formal system of legalized discrimination against Palestinian Arabs which technically fits the official UN definition of Apartheid. ILRC article. Israel’s society-wide system of discrimination and isolation of the Palestinian people within Israel, and its system of exploitation, oppression and isolation in the occupied territories, fits exactly the official, legal UN definition of apartheid, which is considered to be a crime against humanity. The practice of passing laws which give special favor throughout Israeli society to the Jewish people over all other people, and especially the native Palestinian Arab people, embodies the UN definition of apartheid, which is giving special favor to one group of people above all other groups based on criteria like what religion they are.

Another example is in 2003, the Israeli legislature (Knesset) passed legislation that forbade spouses of Arab-Israeli citizens who are in the occupied territories from joining their families in Israel (with some exceptions). The reason for this legislation is to help maintain the Jewish demographic majority family unification. The racist nature is evident in that only Palestinians (no other ethnic groups) are not forbidden to live in Israel after marrying an Israeli. ILRC article. General article. Amnesty International argues that this law violates fundamental principles of equity, human dignity and personal freedom enshrined in basic law as well as the rights of the child to live with both parents and other fundamental rights enshrined in human rights treaties in which Israel is a signer. ILRC article on Israeli Apartheid.
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• BDS Advocacy: BDS is not enforceable law. End of argument.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is an Apartheid state. Full stop.

Announcing your ignorance on a public message board.

Carry on.

 

[Hossfly]

Dozens of Spanish cities declaring themselves ‘Free of Israeli Apartheid’

fanger, et al,

I am amazed that the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) make the allegation that "Israel" is "Apartheid," and that a unprecedented, well-funded and anti-democratic attack against everyone seeking to hold Israel accountable to:

• International Law,
• UN Resolutions,
• (especially through) BDS Advocacy.
​

I could easily take-up an entire internet page on just the morality of the HoAP attempt to use the Rome Statues (Crimes against Humanity) or the Fourth Geneva Convention to justify allegations and attempts to do harm against the Jewish State of Israel.

Cadiz, provincial capital in the autonomous community of Andalusia in the Spanish state, has become the latest municipality to pass a motion supporting the Palestinian-led Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement for Palestinian rights and declaring itself an Israeli “Apartheid Free Zone”.

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With a population of 120,000, Cadiz joins more than 50 cities and towns across the Spanish state which have voted to declare themselves spaces free from Israeli apartheid. Other famous Apartheid Free municipalities include Gran Canaria, Santiago de Compostela, Xixón-Gijón, Sevilla, Córdoba and Santa Eulària in Ibiza.

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Growing public support for the BDS movement for Palestinian human rights has prompted Israel and its allies to launch an unprecedented, well-funded and anti-democratic attack against everyone seeking to hold Israel accountable to international law and UN resolutions, especially through BDS advocacy.

(COMMENT)

• International Law (THE ROME STATUTE ENTERED INTO FORCE ON 1 JULY 2002) Not Applicable prior to 2002.

§ For the purpose of Paragraph 1 - Article 7

International Criminal Code: Article 7 Crimes Against Humanity

1. For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:

(a) Murder;
(b) Extermination;
(c) Enslavement;
(d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
(e) Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law;
​

ICC Meaning of "Apartheid"

(h) "The crime of apartheid" means inhumane acts of a character similar to those referred to in paragraph 1, committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime;
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Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
[indent[
DEPORTATIONS, TRANSFERS, EVACUATIONS
ARTICLE 49

Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.
Nevertheless, the Occupying Power may undertake total or partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. Such evacuations may not involve the displacement of protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory except when for material reasons it is impossible to avoid such displacement. Persons thus evacuated shall be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased.
The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene, health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family are not separated.
The Protecting Power shall be informed of any transfers and evacuations as soon as they have taken place.
The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.
The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.
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Article 7 (1) (d) International Criminal Code: Crimes Against Humanity

Crime Against Humanity of deportation or forcible transfer of population Elements

1. The perpetrator deported or forcibly transferred, without grounds permitted under international law, one or more persons to another State or location, by expulsion or other coercive acts.
2. Such person or persons were lawfully present in the area from which they were so deported or transferred.
3. The perpetrator was aware of the factual circumstances that established the lawfulness of such presence.
4. The conduct was committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.
5. The perpetrator knew that the conduct was part of or intended the conduct to be part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.

NOTES: The term “forcibly” is not restricted to physical force, but may include threat of force or coercion, such as that caused by fear of violence, duress, detention, psychological oppression or abuse of power against such person or persons or another person, or by taking advantage of a coercive environment.

“Deported or forcibly transferred” is interchangeable with “forcibly displaced.” Unlike deportation and forcible transfers, evacuation is a provisional measure entirely negative in character, and is, moreover, often (but not exclusively) taken in the interests of the protected persons themselves.
​

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This is a non-starter. There is no law (international or otherwise) wherein a population that has plegde itself to Jihad, and the armed struggle against a specific sovereinty must admit those threat into that country. In short, many countries have laws on the book that cover barment to entry deportation and removal of those undesirables in violation of immigration laws, serious criminal laws, terrorism, armed aggression, etc. ICRC Quote: "The 1958 Conference had particularly in mind the case of protected persons belonging to ethnic or political minorities who might have suffered discrimination or persecution on that account and might therefore wish to leave the country. In order to make due allowances for that legitimate desire the Conference decided to authorize voluntary transfers by implication, and only to prohibit "forcible" transfers."

And even when there were cases of "forceable" displacements, the HoAP were not moved beyond the limits of the territory formerly under the Mandate.

• UN Resolutions

Yes there are all kinds of lists that the anti-semitic, anti-Israeli, pro-HoAP have made in the last 70 years. But relative to "apartheid" there is no real evidence to submit supporting that allegation. The example (used to form conspiracy theories) is where the Knesset passed legislation that forbade spouses of Arab-Israeli citizens who are in the occupied territories from joining their families in Israel (with some exceptions). These are handled on a case by case basis. The apprehension here is that Israel might be forced to allow individuals with terrorist connections into the country. But as to the connection with the International Statute, there is no connection.

ISRAELI APARTHEID SYSTEM IS ILLEGAL: Laws Violated: International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (1976). Link to our fact sheets on Israeli Apartheid. Israeli Actions:

The State of Israel has a formal system of legalized discrimination against Palestinian Arabs which technically fits the official UN definition of Apartheid. ILRC article. Israel’s society-wide system of discrimination and isolation of the Palestinian people within Israel, and its system of exploitation, oppression and isolation in the occupied territories, fits exactly the official, legal UN definition of apartheid, which is considered to be a crime against humanity. The practice of passing laws which give special favor throughout Israeli society to the Jewish people over all other people, and especially the native Palestinian Arab people, embodies the UN definition of apartheid, which is giving special favor to one group of people above all other groups based on criteria like what religion they are.

Another example is in 2003, the Israeli legislature (Knesset) passed legislation that forbade spouses of Arab-Israeli citizens who are in the occupied territories from joining their families in Israel (with some exceptions). The reason for this legislation is to help maintain the Jewish demographic majority family unification. The racist nature is evident in that only Palestinians (no other ethnic groups) are not forbidden to live in Israel after marrying an Israeli. ILRC article. General article. Amnesty International argues that this law violates fundamental principles of equity, human dignity and personal freedom enshrined in basic law as well as the rights of the child to live with both parents and other fundamental rights enshrined in human rights treaties in which Israel is a signer. ILRC article on Israeli Apartheid.
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• BDS Advocacy: BDS is not enforceable law. End of argument.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is an Apartheid state. Full stop.

Announcing your ignorance on a public message board.

Carry on.

It's always the same old, same old nonsense from them, Hollie. Maybe everyone should just relax and watch this documentary.

Watch BEYOND DECEPTION STRATEGY Online | Vimeo On Demand
jt2

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Reference Posting #47

Rocco just did.

(COMMENT)

Actually NOT. None of these links are applicable. While they are often cited by Hostile Arab Palestinians, they do not apply to actions before 1950.

Most Respectfully,
R

As you know, international law is not legislated but comes about in an evolutionary process. There are conventions, like the Geneva Convention, where existing international law is refined and compiled.

Here are some articles from the Hague Convention of 1907 that you will find more refined versions in the Geneva convention.

Art. 25. The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.

Art. 28. The pillage of a town or place, even when taken by assault, is prohibited.

Art. 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

Art. 46. Family honour and rights, the lives of persons, and private property, as well as religious convictions and practice, must be respected.
Private property cannot be confiscated.

Art. 47. Pillage is formally forbidden.

Art. 55. The occupying State shall be regarded only as administrator and usufructuary of public buildings, real estate, forests, and agricultural estates belonging to the hostile State, and situated in the occupied country. It must safeguard the capital of these properties, and administer them in accordance with the rules of usufruct.

Art. 56. The property of municipalities, that of institutions dedicated to religion, charity and education, the arts and sciences, even when State property, shall be treated as private property.
All seizure of, destruction or wilful damage done to institutions of this character, historic monuments, works of art and science, is forbidden, and should be made the subject of legal proceedings.

ICRC service​

I believe that Israel violated these laws that were in affect before 1949 along with some that evolved after 1907.

How could they when Israel did not exist before then. and as you know the Hague convention only applies to those nations that signed up to it. Seeing as Israel did not exist then it could not a signatory, hence the convention is null and void.

Also cherry picking the tiny parts that seem to support your claims is not doing you any favours , but for the record you have detailed exactly what the arab muslims did to the Jews in 1921, 1929, 1931, 1933, 1947 and 1949. All fully explained on the internet archives of the U.N.

 

[Phoenall]

Dozens of Spanish cities declaring themselves ‘Free of Israeli Apartheid’

fanger, et al,

I am amazed that the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) make the allegation that "Israel" is "Apartheid," and that a unprecedented, well-funded and anti-democratic attack against everyone seeking to hold Israel accountable to:

• International Law,
• UN Resolutions,
• (especially through) BDS Advocacy.
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I could easily take-up an entire internet page on just the morality of the HoAP attempt to use the Rome Statues (Crimes against Humanity) or the Fourth Geneva Convention to justify allegations and attempts to do harm against the Jewish State of Israel.

Cadiz, provincial capital in the autonomous community of Andalusia in the Spanish state, has become the latest municipality to pass a motion supporting the Palestinian-led Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement for Palestinian rights and declaring itself an Israeli “Apartheid Free Zone”.

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With a population of 120,000, Cadiz joins more than 50 cities and towns across the Spanish state which have voted to declare themselves spaces free from Israeli apartheid. Other famous Apartheid Free municipalities include Gran Canaria, Santiago de Compostela, Xixón-Gijón, Sevilla, Córdoba and Santa Eulària in Ibiza.

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Growing public support for the BDS movement for Palestinian human rights has prompted Israel and its allies to launch an unprecedented, well-funded and anti-democratic attack against everyone seeking to hold Israel accountable to international law and UN resolutions, especially through BDS advocacy.

(COMMENT)

• International Law (THE ROME STATUTE ENTERED INTO FORCE ON 1 JULY 2002) Not Applicable prior to 2002.

§ For the purpose of Paragraph 1 - Article 7

International Criminal Code: Article 7 Crimes Against Humanity

1. For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:

(a) Murder;
(b) Extermination;
(c) Enslavement;
(d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
(e) Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law;
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ICC Meaning of "Apartheid"

(h) "The crime of apartheid" means inhumane acts of a character similar to those referred to in paragraph 1, committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime;
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Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
[indent[
DEPORTATIONS, TRANSFERS, EVACUATIONS
ARTICLE 49

Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.
Nevertheless, the Occupying Power may undertake total or partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. Such evacuations may not involve the displacement of protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory except when for material reasons it is impossible to avoid such displacement. Persons thus evacuated shall be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased.
The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene, health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family are not separated.
The Protecting Power shall be informed of any transfers and evacuations as soon as they have taken place.
The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.
The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.
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Article 7 (1) (d) International Criminal Code: Crimes Against Humanity

Crime Against Humanity of deportation or forcible transfer of population Elements

1. The perpetrator deported or forcibly transferred, without grounds permitted under international law, one or more persons to another State or location, by expulsion or other coercive acts.
2. Such person or persons were lawfully present in the area from which they were so deported or transferred.
3. The perpetrator was aware of the factual circumstances that established the lawfulness of such presence.
4. The conduct was committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.
5. The perpetrator knew that the conduct was part of or intended the conduct to be part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.

NOTES: The term “forcibly” is not restricted to physical force, but may include threat of force or coercion, such as that caused by fear of violence, duress, detention, psychological oppression or abuse of power against such person or persons or another person, or by taking advantage of a coercive environment.

“Deported or forcibly transferred” is interchangeable with “forcibly displaced.” Unlike deportation and forcible transfers, evacuation is a provisional measure entirely negative in character, and is, moreover, often (but not exclusively) taken in the interests of the protected persons themselves.
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This is a non-starter. There is no law (international or otherwise) wherein a population that has plegde itself to Jihad, and the armed struggle against a specific sovereinty must admit those threat into that country. In short, many countries have laws on the book that cover barment to entry deportation and removal of those undesirables in violation of immigration laws, serious criminal laws, terrorism, armed aggression, etc. ICRC Quote: "The 1958 Conference had particularly in mind the case of protected persons belonging to ethnic or political minorities who might have suffered discrimination or persecution on that account and might therefore wish to leave the country. In order to make due allowances for that legitimate desire the Conference decided to authorize voluntary transfers by implication, and only to prohibit "forcible" transfers."

And even when there were cases of "forceable" displacements, the HoAP were not moved beyond the limits of the territory formerly under the Mandate.

• UN Resolutions

Yes there are all kinds of lists that the anti-semitic, anti-Israeli, pro-HoAP have made in the last 70 years. But relative to "apartheid" there is no real evidence to submit supporting that allegation. The example (used to form conspiracy theories) is where the Knesset passed legislation that forbade spouses of Arab-Israeli citizens who are in the occupied territories from joining their families in Israel (with some exceptions). These are handled on a case by case basis. The apprehension here is that Israel might be forced to allow individuals with terrorist connections into the country. But as to the connection with the International Statute, there is no connection.

ISRAELI APARTHEID SYSTEM IS ILLEGAL: Laws Violated: International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (1976). Link to our fact sheets on Israeli Apartheid. Israeli Actions:

The State of Israel has a formal system of legalized discrimination against Palestinian Arabs which technically fits the official UN definition of Apartheid. ILRC article. Israel’s society-wide system of discrimination and isolation of the Palestinian people within Israel, and its system of exploitation, oppression and isolation in the occupied territories, fits exactly the official, legal UN definition of apartheid, which is considered to be a crime against humanity. The practice of passing laws which give special favor throughout Israeli society to the Jewish people over all other people, and especially the native Palestinian Arab people, embodies the UN definition of apartheid, which is giving special favor to one group of people above all other groups based on criteria like what religion they are.

Another example is in 2003, the Israeli legislature (Knesset) passed legislation that forbade spouses of Arab-Israeli citizens who are in the occupied territories from joining their families in Israel (with some exceptions). The reason for this legislation is to help maintain the Jewish demographic majority family unification. The racist nature is evident in that only Palestinians (no other ethnic groups) are not forbidden to live in Israel after marrying an Israeli. ILRC article. General article. Amnesty International argues that this law violates fundamental principles of equity, human dignity and personal freedom enshrined in basic law as well as the rights of the child to live with both parents and other fundamental rights enshrined in human rights treaties in which Israel is a signer. ILRC article on Israeli Apartheid.
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• BDS Advocacy: BDS is not enforceable law. End of argument.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is an Apartheid state. Full stop.

THEN PROVE IT

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

Rather than just jumping in the band wagon, and mimicking the "apartheid" allegations, let's talk about how you go about coming to that conclusion.

Israel is an Apartheid state. Full stop.

(COMMENT)

I would very much like you to point-out just "ONE" example of some action that Israel has taken that you are 100% sure is a violation of some sort --- amounting to "apartheid."

"The crime of apartheid" means inhumane acts of a character similar to those referred to in paragraph 1, committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime;"

Article 7 Crimes against humanity
1. For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:

(a) Murder;
(b) Extermination;
(c) Enslavement;
(d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
(e) Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law;
(f) Torture;
(g) Rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;
(h) Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender as defined in paragraph 3, or other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in this paragraph or any crime within the jurisdiction of the Court;
(i) Enforced disappearance of persons;
(j) The crime of apartheid;
(k) Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health.​

​

SOURCE: Article 7(2h) Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court
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Article 7 (1) (j) Page #12: Crime against humanity of apartheid
Elements

1. The perpetrator committed an inhumane act against one or more persons.
2. Such act was an act referred to in article 7, paragraph 1, of the Statute, or was an act of a character similar to any of those acts.(Footnote 29)
3. The perpetrator was aware of the factual circumstances that established the character of the act.
4. The conduct was committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups.
5. The perpetrator intended to maintain such regime by that conduct.
6. The conduct was committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.
7. The perpetrator knew that the conduct was part of or intended the conduct to be part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.

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29: It is understood that “character” refers to the nature and gravity of the act.
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By examining just ONE allegation that you are 100% sure of, we can in detail discuss it relative to the ICC definition and the specific elements of the offense.

Careful consideration of the nature and gravity of the offense or conduct is the first step in determining whether a specific crime may be relevant to concerns.

• The nature of the offense or conduct may be assessed with reference to the harm caused by the crime (e.g., theft causes property loss).
• The legal elements of a crime also may be instructive. For example, a conviction for a crime against humanity may involve deception, threat, or intimidation.
• With respect to the gravity of the crime, offenses identified as a violation may be less severe than those identified as Article 8, international war crimes.
​

Your claim is so emphatic, it begs to sit for higher scrutiny and to be the focus of a greater discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

Rather than just jumping in the band wagon, and mimicking the "apartheid" allegations, let's talk about how you go about coming to that conclusion.

Israel is an Apartheid state. Full stop.

(COMMENT)

I would very much like you to point-out just "ONE" example of some action that Israel has taken that you are 100% sure is a violation of some sort --- amounting to "apartheid."

"The crime of apartheid" means inhumane acts of a character similar to those referred to in paragraph 1, committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime;"

Article 7 Crimes against humanity
1. For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:

(a) Murder;
(b) Extermination;
(c) Enslavement;
(d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
(e) Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law;
(f) Torture;
(g) Rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;
(h) Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender as defined in paragraph 3, or other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in this paragraph or any crime within the jurisdiction of the Court;
(i) Enforced disappearance of persons;
(j) The crime of apartheid;
(k) Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health.

​

SOURCE: Article 7(2h) Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court​

Article 7 (1) (j) Page #12: Crime against humanity of apartheid
Elements

1. The perpetrator committed an inhumane act against one or more persons.
2. Such act was an act referred to in article 7, paragraph 1, of the Statute, or was an act of a character similar to any of those acts.(Footnote 29)
3. The perpetrator was aware of the factual circumstances that established the character of the act.
4. The conduct was committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups.
5. The perpetrator intended to maintain such regime by that conduct.
6. The conduct was committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.
7. The perpetrator knew that the conduct was part of or intended the conduct to be part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.

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29: It is understood that “character” refers to the nature and gravity of the act.
​

By examining just ONE allegation that you are 100% sure of, we can in detail discuss it relative to the ICC definition and the specific elements of the offense.

Careful consideration of the nature and gravity of the offense or conduct is the first step in determining whether a specific crime may be relevant to concerns.

• The nature of the offense or conduct may be assessed with reference to the harm caused by the crime (e.g., theft causes property loss).
• The legal elements of a crime also may be instructive. For example, a conviction for a crime against humanity may involve deception, threat, or intimidation.
• With respect to the gravity of the crime, offenses identified as a violation may be less severe than those identified as Article 8, international war crimes.
​

Your claim is so emphatic, it begs to sit for higher scrutiny and to be the focus of a greater discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

In my mind it should be a crime to falsely accuse a person, group, state or nation with a war crime, crime against humanity or apartheid unless the charge can be proven completely without recourse to lengthy debate over the meaning of single words. It should apply to an individual, members of a group, state or a nation, and the minimum sentence should be enough to deter even the most vociferous of people from making knowingly false accusations.
An example would be the hamas charter or the Saudi laws that ban Jews from even entering the territory. In both cases the group/nation should be charged and sentenced in the ICJ. In the case of false accusations that are LIBELS the individuals should be made to pay punitive damages set at say $ 500,000 and serve a term of 1 year minimum in prison.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this is one of those everlasting Arab-Palestinian claims (Like: The Sun ALWAYS rises in the East).

I believe that Israel violated these laws that were in affect before 1949 along with some that evolved after 1907.

(COMMENT)

I believe that you have fallen prey to the widespread or systematic attack directed against the Israeli civilian population, Israeli sovereignty, and the human development of the much more diverse Israel [Jewish 75% (of which Israel-born 74.4%, Europe/America/Oceania-born 17.4%, Africa-born 5.1%, Asia-born 3.1%), non-Jewish 25% (mostly Arab) (2013 est CIA Factbook)]. Instigated and perpetuated by the Palestinians (West Bank Palestinian Arab and other 83%, Jewish 17% --- Gaza Strip nearly 98% Arab Palestinian), the Arab Palestinians do not actually have an intention of a negotiated peace. The end-game for the Arab-Palestinians is the collapse of the Israeli government and the takeover of Israel by the Arab Palestinians.

The legal issues of the conflict are a "Red Herring." The Arab Palestinians as perpetrators, believe that through terrorist attacks they receive more concessions from Israel. It is to soften the diplomatic Battleground and neutralize the IDF as a high card in the game. The purpose of these periodic celebrations to praise, honor and promote martyrs for the Arab Palestinian cause is intended to generate more spontaneous perpetuation of terrorist acts to be part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.

• Abbas's Fatah Praises Past and Present Terrorists - …
  www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/176935
  Fatah praises two past terrorist murderers as 'heroes' on Facebook, also honorsterrorist who fired on IDF this week.

• Abbas praises terrorist killers of hundreds at Gaza ...
  palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=458&doc_id=9297
  Abbas praises terrorist killers of hundreds at Gaza ceremony Mahmoud Abbas: “On the anniversary of the [Fatah] Launch, we renew the promise to our blessed ...

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this is one of those everlasting Arab-Palestinian claims (Like: The Sun ALWAYS rises in the East).

I believe that Israel violated these laws that were in affect before 1949 along with some that evolved after 1907.

(COMMENT)

I believe that you have fallen prey to the widespread or systematic attack directed against the Israeli civilian population, Israeli sovereignty, and the human development of the much more diverse Israel [Jewish 75% (of which Israel-born 74.4%, Europe/America/Oceania-born 17.4%, Africa-born 5.1%, Asia-born 3.1%), non-Jewish 25% (mostly Arab) (2013 est CIA Factbook)]. Instigated and perpetuated by the Palestinians (West Bank Palestinian Arab and other 83%, Jewish 17% --- Gaza Strip nearly 98% Arab Palestinian), the Arab Palestinians do not actually have an intention of a negotiated peace. The end-game for the Arab-Palestinians is the collapse of the Israeli government and the takeover of Israel by the Arab Palestinians.

The legal issues of the conflict are a "Red Herring." The Arab Palestinians as perpetrators, believe that through terrorist attacks they receive more concessions from Israel. It is to soften the diplomatic Battleground and neutralize the IDF as a high card in the game. The purpose of these periodic celebrations to praise, honor and promote martyrs for the Arab Palestinian cause is intended to generate more spontaneous perpetuation of terrorist acts to be part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.

• Abbas's Fatah Praises Past and Present Terrorists - …
  www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/176935
  Fatah praises two past terrorist murderers as 'heroes' on Facebook, also honorsterrorist who fired on IDF this week.

• Abbas praises terrorist killers of hundreds at Gaza ...
  palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=458&doc_id=9297
  Abbas praises terrorist killers of hundreds at Gaza ceremony Mahmoud Abbas: “On the anniversary of the [Fatah] Launch, we renew the promise to our blessed ...

Most Respectfully,
R

Here's something I have been pondering over for some time now, if as team palestine claims the attacks on 9/11 were done by CIA, Mossad, IDF insert non islamic group of choice then why do the same people praise the proven culprits who have been shown to be islamonazi terrorists. Shouldnt they be doing the exact opposite and denouncing them for their actions and demanding their families be ostracised as turncoats and traitors ?

 

[RoccoR]

Phoenall, et al,

Conspiracy Theories are this that: Theories. While in the Conspiracy Theorist mind, these were allegations that have been reasonably substantiated, none of them are proven.

Here's something I have been pondering over for some time now, if as team palestine claims the attacks on 9/11 were done by CIA, Mossad, IDF insert non islamic group of choice then why do the same people praise the proven culprits who have been shown to be islamonazi terrorists. Shouldnt they be doing the exact opposite and denouncing them for their actions and demanding their families be ostracised as turncoats and traitors ?

(COMMENT)

When Conspiracy Theories are first developed, they have flaws. As flaws are revealed, the Theorist adds some new information, previously undiscovered or not properly appreciated to patch the theory.

In most major incident or significant criminal events, the investigative lead often holds back information that only the perpetrators would know (most of the time, never released until after a successful prosecution (sometimes never). This is to help identify true subjects from other interests in the filtering process; and keep the investigation on track.

Believe me when I say that nearly every Conspiracy Theory has been examined up to the point when the number and type of contradictions makes the Conspiracy Theory impossible. This is especially true if the theory suggest a deception in progress --- cast a shadow in the integrity of one of the investigative elements, or presents a cause that implies evidence in hand has been contaminated or the investigative resources has been corrupted.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Phoenall, et al,

Conspiracy Theories are this that: Theories. While in the Conspiracy Theorist mind, these were allegations that have been reasonably substantiated, none of them are proven.

Here's something I have been pondering over for some time now, if as team palestine claims the attacks on 9/11 were done by CIA, Mossad, IDF insert non islamic group of choice then why do the same people praise the proven culprits who have been shown to be islamonazi terrorists. Shouldnt they be doing the exact opposite and denouncing them for their actions and demanding their families be ostracised as turncoats and traitors ?

(COMMENT)

When Conspiracy Theories are first developed, they have flaws. As flaws are revealed, the Theorist adds some new information, previously undiscovered or not properly appreciated to patch the theory.

In most major incident or significant criminal events, the investigative lead often holds back information that only the perpetrators would know (most of the time, never released until after a successful prosecution (sometimes never). This is to help identify true subjects from other interests in the filtering process; and keep the investigation on track.

Believe me when I say that nearly every Conspiracy Theory has been examined up to the point when the number and type of contradictions makes the Conspiracy Theory impossible. This is especially true if the theory suggest a deception in progress --- cast a shadow in the integrity of one of the investigative elements, or presents a cause that implies evidence in hand has been contaminated or the investigative resources has been corrupted.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is something very peculiar about 9/11.

Why is it that the biggest crime in US history has never been investigate to find out who did it? (BTW, the FBI never fingered Bin Laden as the perp.)

It is the strangest thing since Judi Barri's car was bombed and there was no investigation to find the bomber.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, you have changed the question. The question we were discussing was a matter of "apartheid." I see no "apartheid" ruling or law expressed here. But I will address you new questions.

As you know, international law is not legislated but comes about in an evolutionary process. There are conventions, like the Geneva Convention, where existing international law is refined and compiled.

Here are some articles from the Hague Convention of 1907 that you will find more refined versions in the Geneva convention.

(COMMENT)

Absolutely, I acknowledge (and have used quite frequently) the Century (109 years) old Hague Regulation still has some applicability in today's conflict.

• Articles 25 thru 28 come from SECTION II -- HOSTILITIES CHAPTER I --- Means of Injuring the Enemy, Sieges, and Bombardments

• Articles 42 thru 56 come from SECTION III -- MILITARY AUTHORITY OVER THE TERRITORY OF THE HOSTILE STATE.
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Each case involving these article have to be adjudicated individually. None of these prohibitions are blanket applicable or unassailable.

Art. 25. The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.

(COMMENT)

Article 25 no claim has been made, by either party (Israel or Arab) to the open attack on 15 May 1948.

The first Arab-Israeli war, 1948-1949
Pages 9/10 Chapter 2: The Partition Plan and the end of the British mandate, The Question of Palestine and the United Nations

"On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighbouring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs."
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On the establishment of the Armistice, neither the Arab League [and the Violation of Chapter I - Artivle 2(3, 4) of the UN Charter] or Israel pressed complaints to the Permanent Court of International Justice. Misdeeds were noted on both sides.

Art. 28. The pillage of a town or place, even when taken by assault, is prohibited.

(COMMENT)

Again, neither side chose to pursue a complaint although there were several famous accounts on both sides. However, to hear the Arab-Palestinian commentary, the Arab League was not responsible for any "massacres" --- not even the Jewish Quarter in Jerusalem. The Lists of Massacres (May 48 - Nov 48) generally holds that the Arabs are squeaky clean.

I think that this song by the Hostile Arab Palestinians has been played so many times that no objective evaluation is even possible. Certainly the perpetual victim, squeaky clean Arab Palestinian that never violates any IHL or any significant even has been played too often. Just like America is held accountable for all the evil in the world, so it is that Israel has come to accept that they will be blamed for every evil associated with the Arab Israeli Conflict. (Play it again Sam!)

Art. 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

(COMMENT)

Yes, of course that no Hostile Arab Palestinian was ever involved in any altercation, riot, bombing, kidnapping/Murder, hijacking, infiltration actions by sea and tunnel, and attack in the area. And heaven forbid that the Arab Palestinian ever intentionally targeted civilians and non-combatants. No ....

Art. 46. Family honour and rights, the lives of persons, and private property, as well as religious convictions and practice, must be respected.
Private property cannot be confiscated.

(COMMENT)

Even in the United State, there are numerous (near daily) Civil forfeiture, or occasionally civil seizure, in which law enforcement officers take assets from persons suspected of involvement with crime or illegal activity without necessarily charging the owners. Article 46 does not prohibit all such seizures that are common in serious crimes.

Art. 47. Pillage is formally forbidden.

(COMMENT)

I'm not even sure where this was a problem. It was put on the books to preserve art and antiquities held in private hands, as well as the looting of museums and conservatories. In many nations, this can be a capital offense.

Art. 55. The occupying State shall be regarded only as administrator and usufructuary of public buildings, real estate, forests, and agricultural estates belonging to the hostile State, and situated in the occupied country. It must safeguard the capital of these properties, and administer them in accordance with the rules of usufruct.

(COMMENT)

Ah, this has to do with the "Occupation" and not the conduct of hostilities.

Art. 56. The property of municipalities, that of institutions dedicated to religion, charity and education, the arts and sciences, even when State property, shall be treated as private property.
All seizure of, destruction or wilful damage done to institutions of this character, historic monuments, works of art and science, is forbidden, and should be made the subject of legal proceedings.

(COMMENT)

This is seldom an issue with the Arab-Israeli conflict except for Arab Hostilities in Jerusalem.

​

I believe that Israel violated these laws that were in affect before 1949 along with some that evolved after 1907.

(COMMENT)

No, I don't think that is true. But I also think that as time wears on, any thing to do with the 1948-1949 Conflict will become folklore more than historical fact. The propaganda machines have been over these period specific issues so many time, that it will be hard to separate fact from fiction.

The status quo works in Israel's favor. And no matter how the Arab Palestinians, even if they manage to completely bleach all the blood from their hand and present themselves as never having been involved in any despicable action.

In another thirty years, there will not have been any Arab Palestinian claiming the Right of Return to Israel. They will just become another failed state; unable to develop on their own and unable to stand alone. The will be a Regional Parasite.

Most Respectfully,
R

On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan.​

You skip over the most important points then base your conclusions on false premise.

1) Upon the conclusion of the Treaty of Lausanne, Palestine became a successor state and the Palestinians became citizens. With this change, the Palestinians became the sovereigns of that defined territory.

2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.

 

[Hollie]

Phoenall, et al,

Conspiracy Theories are this that: Theories. While in the Conspiracy Theorist mind, these were allegations that have been reasonably substantiated, none of them are proven.

Here's something I have been pondering over for some time now, if as team palestine claims the attacks on 9/11 were done by CIA, Mossad, IDF insert non islamic group of choice then why do the same people praise the proven culprits who have been shown to be islamonazi terrorists. Shouldnt they be doing the exact opposite and denouncing them for their actions and demanding their families be ostracised as turncoats and traitors ?

(COMMENT)

When Conspiracy Theories are first developed, they have flaws. As flaws are revealed, the Theorist adds some new information, previously undiscovered or not properly appreciated to patch the theory.

In most major incident or significant criminal events, the investigative lead often holds back information that only the perpetrators would know (most of the time, never released until after a successful prosecution (sometimes never). This is to help identify true subjects from other interests in the filtering process; and keep the investigation on track.

Believe me when I say that nearly every Conspiracy Theory has been examined up to the point when the number and type of contradictions makes the Conspiracy Theory impossible. This is especially true if the theory suggest a deception in progress --- cast a shadow in the integrity of one of the investigative elements, or presents a cause that implies evidence in hand has been contaminated or the investigative resources has been corrupted.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is something very peculiar about 9/11.

Why is it that the biggest crime in US history has never been investigate to find out who did it? (BTW, the FBI never fingered Bin Laden as the perp.)

It is the strangest thing since Judi Barri's car was bombed and there was no investigation to find the bomber.

The diseased mind of the conspiracy theorist is a dark place.

I suppose you have convinced yourself that pious Moslems had nothing to do with 9/11.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, hell. there are two completely unrelated criminal events here.

There is something very peculiar about 9/11.

Why is it that the biggest crime in US history has never been investigate to find out who did it? (BTW, the FBI never fingered Bin Laden as the perp.)

It is the strangest thing since Judi Barri's car was bombed and there was no investigation to find the bomber.

(COMMENT)

In the case of the Twin Towers Bombing (265D-NY-280350-CG) opened on 11 SEP 01, which was separate but related to the Osama bin Laden case (199N-NY-257503) based on threats made against US facilities, personnel and other interests. These are also separate from but related to the 1993 Bombing in the parking garage beneath the World Trade Center. I'm not sure I understand you when you say: "never been investigate to find out who did it?"

In regards to the Activism of the Redwood Summer Movement, I don't understand why you are even asking about the Improvised Explosive Devise that nearly killed Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney. And I'm not sure that you are correct, that "no investigation to find the bomber." It was my understanding that Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney were arrest by authorities for the transportation of an IED. I was given to understand that both Federal authorities and the local LEOs (Oakland) believed that Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney were responsible for the bomb construction and deployment.

It is not uncommon for both state and federal agencies to withhold the status and fruits of an investigation when, a civil litigation matter was pending.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

Phoenall, et al,

Conspiracy Theories are this that: Theories. While in the Conspiracy Theorist mind, these were allegations that have been reasonably substantiated, none of them are proven.

Here's something I have been pondering over for some time now, if as team palestine claims the attacks on 9/11 were done by CIA, Mossad, IDF insert non islamic group of choice then why do the same people praise the proven culprits who have been shown to be islamonazi terrorists. Shouldnt they be doing the exact opposite and denouncing them for their actions and demanding their families be ostracised as turncoats and traitors ?

(COMMENT)

When Conspiracy Theories are first developed, they have flaws. As flaws are revealed, the Theorist adds some new information, previously undiscovered or not properly appreciated to patch the theory.

In most major incident or significant criminal events, the investigative lead often holds back information that only the perpetrators would know (most of the time, never released until after a successful prosecution (sometimes never). This is to help identify true subjects from other interests in the filtering process; and keep the investigation on track.

Believe me when I say that nearly every Conspiracy Theory has been examined up to the point when the number and type of contradictions makes the Conspiracy Theory impossible. This is especially true if the theory suggest a deception in progress --- cast a shadow in the integrity of one of the investigative elements, or presents a cause that implies evidence in hand has been contaminated or the investigative resources has been corrupted.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is something very peculiar about 9/11.

Why is it that the biggest crime in US history has never been investigate to find out who did it? (BTW, the FBI never fingered Bin Laden as the perp.)

It is the strangest thing since Judi Barri's car was bombed and there was no investigation to find the bomber.

And your proof that there has never been an investigation is what, some islamonazi propaganda outlet or some white supremacist group ?

I get this from google

9/11 Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Responsibility for the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States


Guess you are just LYING again because your islamonazi handlers are telling you to

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You skip over the most important points then base your conclusions on false premise.

(COMMENT)

There is no false premise here at all; unless we are talking about your statements here.

1) Upon the conclusion of the Treaty of Lausanne, Palestine became a successor state and the Palestinians became citizens. With this change, the Palestinians became the sovereigns of that defined territory.

(COMMENT)

Nowhere in the Treaty of Lausanne, does it mention Palestine or a successor government.
In the Treaty says:

ARTICLE 16.

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.
​

The allied Powers were (by treaty) given the Title, all rights and the future of these territories.

They became citizens of the Territory under the Mandate of Palestine, herein after "Palestine." (Palestine Order in Council)

UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
​

Press Release PAL/138
27 February 1948
​

UK MEMORANDUM NAMES COMMISSION
AS SUCCESSOR GOVERNMENT
​

The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.

The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:

• 
  "Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
  
  "After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
  
  "Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.

"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.

• 
  
  "His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."
  

The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:

• 
  "The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."
  

The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.
​

2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure you are correct.

​

The second to the last paragraph of this joint media release PAL/169 says in part: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been Implemented."

While it really does not matter if the Palestinians believe or disbelieve the UN Media Release, the fact is that the Jewish Agency made a good faith effort (much more more that the Arab Palestinians) in following the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outline in UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/181(II). The Provisional Government fought back the Arab League invasion and the attacks by the Hostile Arab Palestinians and achieve sovereignty, independence and recognition.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, you have changed the question. The question we were discussing was a matter of "apartheid." I see no "apartheid" ruling or law expressed here. But I will address you new questions.

As you know, international law is not legislated but comes about in an evolutionary process. There are conventions, like the Geneva Convention, where existing international law is refined and compiled.

Here are some articles from the Hague Convention of 1907 that you will find more refined versions in the Geneva convention.

(COMMENT)

Absolutely, I acknowledge (and have used quite frequently) the Century (109 years) old Hague Regulation still has some applicability in today's conflict.

• Articles 25 thru 28 come from SECTION II -- HOSTILITIES CHAPTER I --- Means of Injuring the Enemy, Sieges, and Bombardments

• Articles 42 thru 56 come from SECTION III -- MILITARY AUTHORITY OVER THE TERRITORY OF THE HOSTILE STATE.
​

Each case involving these article have to be adjudicated individually. None of these prohibitions are blanket applicable or unassailable.

Art. 25. The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.

(COMMENT)

Article 25 no claim has been made, by either party (Israel or Arab) to the open attack on 15 May 1948.

The first Arab-Israeli war, 1948-1949
Pages 9/10 Chapter 2: The Partition Plan and the end of the British mandate, The Question of Palestine and the United Nations

"On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighbouring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs."
​

On the establishment of the Armistice, neither the Arab League [and the Violation of Chapter I - Artivle 2(3, 4) of the UN Charter] or Israel pressed complaints to the Permanent Court of International Justice. Misdeeds were noted on both sides.

Art. 28. The pillage of a town or place, even when taken by assault, is prohibited.

(COMMENT)

Again, neither side chose to pursue a complaint although there were several famous accounts on both sides. However, to hear the Arab-Palestinian commentary, the Arab League was not responsible for any "massacres" --- not even the Jewish Quarter in Jerusalem. The Lists of Massacres (May 48 - Nov 48) generally holds that the Arabs are squeaky clean.

I think that this song by the Hostile Arab Palestinians has been played so many times that no objective evaluation is even possible. Certainly the perpetual victim, squeaky clean Arab Palestinian that never violates any IHL or any significant even has been played too often. Just like America is held accountable for all the evil in the world, so it is that Israel has come to accept that they will be blamed for every evil associated with the Arab Israeli Conflict. (Play it again Sam!)

Art. 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

(COMMENT)

Yes, of course that no Hostile Arab Palestinian was ever involved in any altercation, riot, bombing, kidnapping/Murder, hijacking, infiltration actions by sea and tunnel, and attack in the area. And heaven forbid that the Arab Palestinian ever intentionally targeted civilians and non-combatants. No ....

Art. 46. Family honour and rights, the lives of persons, and private property, as well as religious convictions and practice, must be respected.
Private property cannot be confiscated.

(COMMENT)

Even in the United State, there are numerous (near daily) Civil forfeiture, or occasionally civil seizure, in which law enforcement officers take assets from persons suspected of involvement with crime or illegal activity without necessarily charging the owners. Article 46 does not prohibit all such seizures that are common in serious crimes.

Art. 47. Pillage is formally forbidden.

(COMMENT)

I'm not even sure where this was a problem. It was put on the books to preserve art and antiquities held in private hands, as well as the looting of museums and conservatories. In many nations, this can be a capital offense.

Art. 55. The occupying State shall be regarded only as administrator and usufructuary of public buildings, real estate, forests, and agricultural estates belonging to the hostile State, and situated in the occupied country. It must safeguard the capital of these properties, and administer them in accordance with the rules of usufruct.

(COMMENT)

Ah, this has to do with the "Occupation" and not the conduct of hostilities.

Art. 56. The property of municipalities, that of institutions dedicated to religion, charity and education, the arts and sciences, even when State property, shall be treated as private property.
All seizure of, destruction or wilful damage done to institutions of this character, historic monuments, works of art and science, is forbidden, and should be made the subject of legal proceedings.

(COMMENT)

This is seldom an issue with the Arab-Israeli conflict except for Arab Hostilities in Jerusalem.

​

I believe that Israel violated these laws that were in affect before 1949 along with some that evolved after 1907.

(COMMENT)

No, I don't think that is true. But I also think that as time wears on, any thing to do with the 1948-1949 Conflict will become folklore more than historical fact. The propaganda machines have been over these period specific issues so many time, that it will be hard to separate fact from fiction.

The status quo works in Israel's favor. And no matter how the Arab Palestinians, even if they manage to completely bleach all the blood from their hand and present themselves as never having been involved in any despicable action.

In another thirty years, there will not have been any Arab Palestinian claiming the Right of Return to Israel. They will just become another failed state; unable to develop on their own and unable to stand alone. The will be a Regional Parasite.

Most Respectfully,
R

On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan.​

You skip over the most important points then base your conclusions on false premise.

1) Upon the conclusion of the Treaty of Lausanne, Palestine became a successor state and the Palestinians became citizens. With this change, the Palestinians became the sovereigns of that defined territory.

2) Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no transfer of territory to Israel.

Where does it state that in the Treaty of Lausanne, and actually name the nation of palestine. It does not even say the area known as palestine does it, this is slipped in by islamonazi LIARS, propagandists and stooges.

Resolution 181 was nothing more than a recommendation and as such had no legal powers, The LoN mandate along with the UN charter principles made for the creation of Israel as the Jewish national home when the Jews showed they were capable of forming a government and standing on their own

This is detailed in the relevant LoN minutes of meettings that have been provided many hundreds of times in the past