Don't tase me bro!

[DiveCon]

Nah, I'd go quietly

of course you would
you would assume, like most rational people that there was a reason you were being arrested

Not that I'd admit it

And I wouldn't say a word beyond, "I'm not saying nothin' copper!"

of course not, you'd fight it the legal way, in court

 

[Sweet Willy]

of course you would
you would assume, like most rational people that there was a reason you were being arrested

Not that I'd admit it

And I wouldn't say a word beyond, "I'm not saying nothin' copper!"

of course not, you'd fight it the legal way, in court

But of course, you have the option to legally resist the unlawful arrest. The other legal way.

 

[DiveCon]

Not that I'd admit it

And I wouldn't say a word beyond, "I'm not saying nothin' copper!"

of course not, you'd fight it the legal way, in court

But of course, you have the option to legally resist the unlawful arrest. The other legal way.

keep believing that, moron
next time you get pulled over for a traffic infraction, test your theory

 

[Sweet Willy]

of course you would
you would assume, like most rational people that there was a reason you were being arrested

Not that I'd admit it

And I wouldn't say a word beyond, "I'm not saying nothin' copper!"

of course not, you'd fight it the legal way, in court

And to be precise, if you chose to take civil action, you are not "fighting" the arrest. You have already submitted to the arrest. You can't fight it after it has already happened. You can only seek damages or punishment. Can't undo the illegal arrest.

So, technically speaking, the only legal way to avoid an unlawful arrest is to legally and successfully resist it.

 

[Sweet Willy]

of course not, you'd fight it the legal way, in court

But of course, you have the option to legally resist the unlawful arrest. The other legal way.

keep believing that, moron
next time you get pulled over for a traffic infraction, test your theory

I don't have to just beleive it, it's right here in front of your eyes.

Are you saying that we do not have the right to resist an unlawful arrest?

 

[Sweet Willy]

Divecon, pay attention:

Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”

“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.


Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest



You can kill a police officer that is attempting to make an unlawful arrest.

It's a fact Divecon.

I can't beleive you are this stupid. This has been settled long ago.

 

[jgbkab]

Mike Tyson will never believe that Buster Douglas knocked him out. STAY DOWN TYSON...I'M THROWING IN THE TOWEL!

 

[DiveCon]

Divecon, pay attention:

Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”

“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.


Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest



You can kill a police officer that is attempting to make an unlawful arrest.

It's a fact Divecon.

I can't beleive you are this stupid. This has been settled long ago.

again, next time you get pulled over for a traffic infraction, test your theory

 

[jgbkab]

Dive, no one said that it would not be foolish to try. We are just trying to let you know that it is legal.

 

[Sweet Willy]

Divecon, pay attention:

Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”

“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.


Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest



You can kill a police officer that is attempting to make an unlawful arrest.

It's a fact Divecon.

I can't beleive you are this stupid. This has been settled long ago.

again, next time you get pulled over for a traffic infraction, test your theory

Again, you are absolutley, beyond a shadow of a doubt, wrong.

There is no theory. There is law. It has been presented to you several times over.

You have the mind of an undisciplined child. You are repeatedly demonstrated wrong, told you are wrong and you run and hide, wait for the adults to leave and continue with your ignorant behavior.

We have the right to resist unlawful arrest.

It is a fact.

You lose.

 

[DiveCon]

Dive, no one said that it would not be foolish to try. We are just trying to let you know that it is legal.

it is only legal if it is an unlawful arrest
that is all that has been proven
the moron keeps claiming that this is the case with the subject here
and it isnt

 

[DiveCon]

Divecon, pay attention:

Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”

“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.


Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest



You can kill a police officer that is attempting to make an unlawful arrest.

It's a fact Divecon.

I can't beleive you are this stupid. This has been settled long ago.

again, next time you get pulled over for a traffic infraction, test your theory

Again, you are absolutley, beyond a shadow of a doubt, wrong.

There is no theory. There is law. It has been presented to you several times over.

You have the mind of an undisciplined child. You are repeatedly demonstrated wrong, told you are wrong and you run and hide, wait for the adults to leave and continue with your ignorant behavior.

We have the right to resist unlawful arrest.

It is a fact.

You lose.

no, that would be you, moron

 

[Sweet Willy]

again, next time you get pulled over for a traffic infraction, test your theory

Again, you are absolutley, beyond a shadow of a doubt, wrong.

There is no theory. There is law. It has been presented to you several times over.

You have the mind of an undisciplined child. You are repeatedly demonstrated wrong, told you are wrong and you run and hide, wait for the adults to leave and continue with your ignorant behavior.

We have the right to resist unlawful arrest.

It is a fact.

You lose.

no, that would be you, moron

You're wrong. You know you are wrong.

We have the right to resist unlawful arrest.

Now go to your room young lady, until you can behave.

 

[DiveCon]

Again, you are absolutley, beyond a shadow of a doubt, wrong.

There is no theory. There is law. It has been presented to you several times over.

You have the mind of an undisciplined child. You are repeatedly demonstrated wrong, told you are wrong and you run and hide, wait for the adults to leave and continue with your ignorant behavior.

We have the right to resist unlawful arrest.

It is a fact.

You lose.

no, that would be you, moron

You're wrong. You know you are wrong.

We have the right to resist unlawful arrest.

Now go to your room young lady, until you can behave.

which has absolutely NOTHING to do with what was being talked about
but do keep showing what a fucking moron you are

 

[Sweet Willy]

no, that would be you, moron

You're wrong. You know you are wrong.

We have the right to resist unlawful arrest.

Now go to your room young lady, until you can behave.

which has absolutely NOTHING to do with what was being talked about
but do keep showing what a fucking moron you are

We have the right to resist unlawful arrest.

Period.

 

[Sweet Willy]

Take the good advice and stay down.

 

[DiveCon]

You're wrong. You know you are wrong.

We have the right to resist unlawful arrest.

Now go to your room young lady, until you can behave.

which has absolutely NOTHING to do with what was being talked about
but do keep showing what a fucking moron you are

We have the right to resist unlawful arrest.

Period.

you are the one that built that strawman

 

[DiveCon]

Take the good advice and stay down.

and you should take some advice and shut the fuck up

 

[Sweet Willy]

Take the good advice and stay down.

and you should take some advice and shut the fuck up

Let's recap, again, for Divecon. She is a little slow.


This event began in a private parking lot.

Do you have any evidence that any relevant events occured anyplace else?

According to Smiley, an officer was talking with a motorist in the church parking lot when he ran a registration check and discovered the man had no car insurance.

Taser for pastor, pepper spray for congregation | Breaking News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle



Texas law clearly seperates Texas Traffic code from traffic on private property.

Do you have any relevant cite that disputes the right of Texas property owners to control traffic and enforcement of traffic code on their own property?

§ 542.005. RULES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. This subtitle does
not prevent an owner of private property that is a private road
from:
(1) regulating or prohibiting use of the property by
the public for vehicular travel; or
(2) requiring conditions different from or in addition
to those specified by this subtitle.

Texas Transportation Code - Section 542.005. Rules On Private Property - Texas Attorney Resources - Texas Laws


The Pastor informed them they were on private property and asked them to leave, as confirmed by the officer on the scene.

Do you have any relevant information that the police were not on private property or were not asked to leave?

“He said we were on private property and wanted us off the property,” Smiley said. “He was pretty aggressive.”

Taser for pastor, pepper spray for congregation | Breaking News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle


The officers then ordered Moran to leave. When he refused, he was told he was under arrest for not complying with that order.

Do you have any relevant information, any reason to believe this was a lawful order? Please cite the law that allows Police to order people off of their own property.

When Moran refused an order to leave, the officer told him that he was under arrest. Moran pushed the officer as he tried to handcuff him, Smiley said, and fled inside the church.

Taser for pastor, pepper spray for congregation | Breaking News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle


And finally, Moran has the right to resist the unlawful arrest. He especially has the right to break away from the police and run.

Do you have any information or rule of law that would prohibit Moran from exercising his right to resist?

“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111. 491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v. Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau, 241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.

Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest






Any other questions?

 

[DiveCon]

fuck off moron