Donald Trump is conservatism's realization -- not its betrayal

[C_Clayton_Jones]

‘Nearly eight months into Donald Trump’s second term, many in the mainstream media and political class are still clinging to an outdated understanding of Trumpism and the country’s collapse into competitive authoritarianism. To them, even after eight years of experience, the president is some type of sui generis figure, an aberration in American politics and culture. They continue to desperately search for “principled conservatives,” those “adults in the room” who “believe in the institutions” to stop him.
[…]
What conservative Republicans and Donald Trump are doing today is not new. It has precedent in the last 100 years of the history of conservatism, which, for a time, was not just in the Republican Party, but also included the Jim Crow Southern Democrats. The Southern Democrats are a faction that has been fully absorbed by the Republicans…

Virtually everything that conservatives have been publicly professing for 100 years is false. They violate, in fundamental ways, everything that they’ve claimed to strongly believe in. Take, for example, free enterprise. Republican presidents have repeatedly enacted tariffs. Conservatives also subvert markets and free enterprise by picking and choosing “winners” and “losers” through special tax breaks, subsidies and loan guarantees for big business. Conservatives are destroying limited government through the buildup of ICE, suppressing LGBTQ rights, controlling education and taking away women’s reproductive rights. Those are examples of big government interventions and not support for limited government or free enterprise.’

Donald Trump is conservatism’s realization — not its betrayal

He gave the GOP permission to be themselves, says historian Allan Lichtman

www.salon.com

“principled conservatives” – a true oxymoron.

Trump is in fact a conservative – conservativism advocates for more government, bigger government at the expense of individual liberty, seeking to compel conformity and silence dissent. Ill-liberal, authoritarian, and nativist, conservatives fear positive, beneficial change, diversity, inclusion, and expressions of individual liberty.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Zzzzzzz. It's a Salon hit piece

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Zzzzzzz. It's a Salon hit piece

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Is it? I don't click so-called "links" from dembots.

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[shockedcanadian]

The way Trump loses the midterms will be if the courts take away his two largest wins: tariffs/trade deals and deportation of illegals. The other harm would be self inflicted if the Dems point to the GOP as violators of civil liberties.

Trump needs to lower the weed class. It's politically smart and is moral. When I heard he was considering this I thought, "this would be a Trump-like move as it would once again put the Dems on their back feet". Biden promises to lower the class but never did. Trump can act and secure many younger voters who are libertarian by nature and idealism.

There will be efforts now to try and get well ahead of the midterms because his tariffs are winning and they fear him giving a portion back to voters in the form of a check.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Trump is in fact a conservative

Trump is not remotely conservative. He's a Clinton era left leaning populist. Many of his attacks come from the right.

 

[Natural Citizen]

...Conservativism advocates for more government, bigger government at the expense of individual liberty, seeking to compel conformity and silence dissent.

Sadly this is what this new brand of modern ''conservatism'' has devolved into.

This board is probably the most revealing example that I see of the repugnant phenomenon as I cruise the world wide web.

I see a lot of self-described ''conservatives'' say that they ''used to be democrats.'' Heh heh heh...''used to be...''

But if you really pay attention to their own words long enough and over the course of dialogue regarding various subject matter, they've pretty much maintained their big centralized government fundamental beliefs.

One could go even further in describing the erosion of actual conservatism in America today as this modern self-described ''conservative'' demograph continues to turn the grand old party into a mirror image of the party they left while maintaining their rabidly statist fundamental views.

Anyway. The fact of the matter is that there are very few actual conservatives left in America. Very few. As close as you're gonna come to true, fundamental conservatism in America these days are the classical liberals.

 

[Zincwarrior]

‘Nearly eight months into Donald Trump’s second term, many in the mainstream media and political class are still clinging to an outdated understanding of Trumpism and the country’s collapse into competitive authoritarianism. To them, even after eight years of experience, the president is some type of sui generis figure, an aberration in American politics and culture. They continue to desperately search for “principled conservatives,” those “adults in the room” who “believe in the institutions” to stop him.
[…]
What conservative Republicans and Donald Trump are doing today is not new. It has precedent in the last 100 years of the history of conservatism, which, for a time, was not just in the Republican Party, but also included the Jim Crow Southern Democrats. The Southern Democrats are a faction that has been fully absorbed by the Republicans…

Virtually everything that conservatives have been publicly professing for 100 years is false. They violate, in fundamental ways, everything that they’ve claimed to strongly believe in. Take, for example, free enterprise. Republican presidents have repeatedly enacted tariffs. Conservatives also subvert markets and free enterprise by picking and choosing “winners” and “losers” through special tax breaks, subsidies and loan guarantees for big business. Conservatives are destroying limited government through the buildup of ICE, suppressing LGBTQ rights, controlling education and taking away women’s reproductive rights. Those are examples of big government interventions and not support for limited government or free enterprise.’

Donald Trump is conservatism’s realization — not its betrayal

He gave the GOP permission to be themselves, says historian Allan Lichtman

www.salon.com

“principled conservatives” – a true oxymoron.

Trump is in fact a conservative – conservativism advocates for more government, bigger government at the expense of individual liberty, seeking to compel conformity and silence dissent. Ill-liberal, authoritarian, and nativist, conservatives fear positive, beneficial change, diversity, inclusion, and expressions of individual liberty.

No. Trump is a Dictatorship crony capitalist.

 

[sartre play]

Sadly this is what this new brand of modern ''conservatism'' has devolved into.

I would go even further in describing the erosion of actual conservatism.

This board is probably the biggest example that I see of the repugnant phenomenon as I cruise the world wide web.

What ever it is, ITS nothing like the America I grew up in.

 

[Natural Citizen]

What ever it is, ITS nothing like the America I grew up in.

Nope. It sure isn't.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Zzzzzzz. It's a Salon hit piece

I love how Jones thinks he's making a difference.

 

[Auld Phart]

‘Nearly eight months into Donald Trump’s second term, many in the mainstream media and political class are still clinging to an outdated understanding of Trumpism and the country’s collapse into competitive authoritarianism. To them, even after eight years of experience, the president is some type of sui generis figure, an aberration in American politics and culture. They continue to desperately search for “principled conservatives,” those “adults in the room” who “believe in the institutions” to stop him.
[…]
What conservative Republicans and Donald Trump are doing today is not new. It has precedent in the last 100 years of the history of conservatism, which, for a time, was not just in the Republican Party, but also included the Jim Crow Southern Democrats. The Southern Democrats are a faction that has been fully absorbed by the Republicans…

Virtually everything that conservatives have been publicly professing for 100 years is false. They violate, in fundamental ways, everything that they’ve claimed to strongly believe in. Take, for example, free enterprise. Republican presidents have repeatedly enacted tariffs. Conservatives also subvert markets and free enterprise by picking and choosing “winners” and “losers” through special tax breaks, subsidies and loan guarantees for big business. Conservatives are destroying limited government through the buildup of ICE, suppressing LGBTQ rights, controlling education and taking away women’s reproductive rights. Those are examples of big government interventions and not support for limited government or free enterprise.’

Donald Trump is conservatism’s realization — not its betrayal

He gave the GOP permission to be themselves, says historian Allan Lichtman

www.salon.com

“principled conservatives” – a true oxymoron.

Trump is in fact a conservative – conservativism advocates for more government, bigger government at the expense of individual liberty, seeking to compel conformity and silence dissent. Ill-liberal, authoritarian, and nativist, conservatives fear positive, beneficial change, diversity, inclusion, and expressions of individual liberty.

the only thing trump is betraying is his democrat upbringing.

 

[Hafar1014]

Sadly this is what this new brand of modern ''conservatism'' has devolved into.

This board is probably the most revealing example that I see of the repugnant phenomenon as I cruise the world wide web.

I see a lot of self-described ''conservatives'' say that they ''used to be democrats.'' Heh heh heh...''used to be...''

But if you really pay attention to their own words long enough and over the course of dialogue regarding various subject matter, they've pretty much maintained their big centralized government fundamental beliefs.

One could go even further in describing the erosion of actual conservatism in America today as this modern self-described ''conservative'' demograph continues to turn the grand old party into a mirror image of the party they left wile maintaining their rabidly statist fundamental views.

Anyway. The fact of the matter is that there are very few actual conservatives left in America. Very few. As close as you're gonna come to true, fundamental conservatism in America these days are the classical liberals.

Its democrat progressive ideology thats falling apart and the nation is becoming more conservative.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Its democrat progressive ideology thats falling apart and the nation is becoming more conservative.

I fail to see a nickel's worth of meaningful difference between yuns.

But you can pretend if you want. Posers gonna pose anyway...

 

[BackAgain]

‘Nearly eight months into Donald Trump’s second term, many in the mainstream media and political class are still clinging to an outdated understanding of Trumpism and the country’s collapse into competitive authoritarianism. To them, even after eight years of experience, the president is some type of sui generis figure, an aberration in American politics and culture. They continue to desperately search for “principled conservatives,” those “adults in the room” who “believe in the institutions” to stop him.
[…]
What conservative Republicans and Donald Trump are doing today is not new. It has precedent in the last 100 years of the history of conservatism, which, for a time, was not just in the Republican Party, but also included the Jim Crow Southern Democrats. The Southern Democrats are a faction that has been fully absorbed by the Republicans…

Virtually everything that conservatives have been publicly professing for 100 years is false. They violate, in fundamental ways, everything that they’ve claimed to strongly believe in. Take, for example, free enterprise. Republican presidents have repeatedly enacted tariffs. Conservatives also subvert markets and free enterprise by picking and choosing “winners” and “losers” through special tax breaks, subsidies and loan guarantees for big business. Conservatives are destroying limited government through the buildup of ICE, suppressing LGBTQ rights, controlling education and taking away women’s reproductive rights. Those are examples of big government interventions and not support for limited government or free enterprise.’

Donald Trump is conservatism’s realization — not its betrayal

He gave the GOP permission to be themselves, says historian Allan Lichtman

www.salon.com

“principled conservatives” – a true oxymoron.

Trump is in fact a conservative – conservativism advocates for more government, bigger government at the expense of individual liberty, seeking to compel conformity and silence dissent. Ill-liberal, authoritarian, and nativist, conservatives fear positive, beneficial change, diversity, inclusion, and expressions of individual liberty.

I only opened this thread to see which piece would be copied and pasted, this time.

The thread headline is too obviously biased to bother with another troll thread from you or any of your socks

 

[Hafar1014]

I fail to see a nickel's worth of difference between yuns.

But you can pretend if you want...

If you cant see a difference between Trump and Biden you have vision like Stevie Wonder

 

[shockedcanadian]

Its democrat progressive ideology thats falling apart and the nation is becoming more conservative.

Define "conservative".

Populist maybe. Conservative in the traditional sense a la GWB? I don't think so.

 

[Natural Citizen]

If you cant see a difference between Trump and Biden you have vision like Stevie Wonder

I'm talking about you and yours.

There's not much difference between Trump and and Biden in scope.

They're just passing the baton off enroute to a much larger long term big government agenda, with each fulfilling their own role in the prescribed outcome along the way.

I've read your content. Even that which you wisely chose to delete. Any time you wanna debate it, I'll be in the neighborhood. And I promise you that it won't be like the usual trading of empty, shallow, Mickey Mousery type of keystrokes with most of the rest of the people around here that you may be growing comfortable with relying upon to achieve some very naive self-sense of political correctness. Nope. Huh uh...

 

[Crepitus]

‘Nearly eight months into Donald Trump’s second term, many in the mainstream media and political class are still clinging to an outdated understanding of Trumpism and the country’s collapse into competitive authoritarianism. To them, even after eight years of experience, the president is some type of sui generis figure, an aberration in American politics and culture. They continue to desperately search for “principled conservatives,” those “adults in the room” who “believe in the institutions” to stop him.
[…]
What conservative Republicans and Donald Trump are doing today is not new. It has precedent in the last 100 years of the history of conservatism, which, for a time, was not just in the Republican Party, but also included the Jim Crow Southern Democrats. The Southern Democrats are a faction that has been fully absorbed by the Republicans…

Virtually everything that conservatives have been publicly professing for 100 years is false. They violate, in fundamental ways, everything that they’ve claimed to strongly believe in. Take, for example, free enterprise. Republican presidents have repeatedly enacted tariffs. Conservatives also subvert markets and free enterprise by picking and choosing “winners” and “losers” through special tax breaks, subsidies and loan guarantees for big business. Conservatives are destroying limited government through the buildup of ICE, suppressing LGBTQ rights, controlling education and taking away women’s reproductive rights. Those are examples of big government interventions and not support for limited government or free enterprise.’

Donald Trump is conservatism’s realization — not its betrayal

He gave the GOP permission to be themselves, says historian Allan Lichtman

www.salon.com

“principled conservatives” – a true oxymoron.

Trump is in fact a conservative – conservativism advocates for more government, bigger government at the expense of individual liberty, seeking to compel conformity and silence dissent. Ill-liberal, authoritarian, and nativist, conservatives fear positive, beneficial change, diversity, inclusion, and expressions of individual liberty.

The vast majority of "conservatives" threw out all their beliefs for power.

I personally know of a few who have resisted that, even a couple here, but none on the national level.

 

[JWBooth]

What has conservatism ever conserved? Last week’s big government progressive’s notions. Or as Mike put it:

 

[MarcATL]

You're absolutely right OP, Trump is no surprise and is central to what conservatism and the Republican Party has been for generations.

There's elements of Nixon, Bush I & Bush II in Trump's Administrations. It's only more of the same combined w/the worst aspects of all of their atrocities.

That is what is now called "MAGA."

No surprise at all, but it needs to be stopped.

If only the Democrats would step up to the challenge.