Don’t let the Dems kill the John Doe amendment

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Update: House Dems kill John Doe amendment…fight moves to the Senate Update: 8:55pm Senate Dems kill John Doe amendment…roll added
By Michelle Malkin • July 19, 2007 06:59 PM 7/20 1:25pm update. Video of Rep. Pete King ripping the Dems over their opposition to the John Doe amendment.

7/20 9:30am update. Read Debra Burlingame: “We disarm ourselves when we succumb to political correctness - which encourages us to second guess our common sense and look the other way. It is an outrage that Pelosi and Reid would allow individuals to be punished when they come forward to protect us all.”

If you see something, say something:

Congress switchboard: 202-224-3121
Nancy Pelosi’s office: 202-225-4965
Reid’s office: 202-224-3542

7/20 7:40am update: Andrew McCarthy assails the Death Wish Caucus–the cowardly, reckless, feckless Democrats who want John Doe citizen whistleblowers to shut up or be sued.



Photoshop via Justin Higgins at Right on the Right

9:20pm Eastern update. Here’s the roll on the Senate John Doe protection amendment, which missed the 60-vote threshold by 3 votes. Interesting facts: No Republican voted against it. GOP presidential candidate Sam “Switchback” Brownback didn’t bother to vote. Hillary voted for it. Obama sat it out:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...fm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00261#position



Reader S.M. looks at some of the at-risk ‘08 Dems who voted for the bill (Hillary, Baucus, Landrieu) versus the supposed “maverick” freshmen (who don’t face re-election until 2012) who voted no (Webb, Tester, McCaskill, etc.): “Transparent politics. Kill the measure, but do it in a way that protects the vulnerable incumbents from attack ads.”

Yep.

8:55pm Eastern update. Well, the Senate Dems have spoken. Susan Collins got a vote, but it just failed. Audrey Hudson’s latest update: “The measure failed in a late-night 57-39 vote after some last minute arm-twisting by Democrats, three votes shy of the required (super majority) 60 votes because it was not directly related (germane) to the underlying educational funding bill.”

Bottom line: The Dems believe that if you see something, you should just shut up.

This fight is not over. There still is a final conference report to be hashed out. Keep your phones lit. The Senate Dems need to hear from you.

Stand by for the roll on Collins’ John Doe protection amendment, SA 2340…

6:58 pm Eastern update and bumped. Audrey Hudson reports the Dems have successfully stripped out the John Doe amendment:

Congressional Democrats today failed to include a provision in homeland security legislation that would protect the public from being sued for reporting suspicious behavior that may lead to a terrorist attack, according to House Republican leaders.

“This is a slap in the face of good citizens who do their patriotic duty and come forward, and it caves in to radical Islamists,” said Rep. Peter T. King, New York Republican and ranking member of the House Homeland Security Committee.
Who is responsible? Bryan Preston observes:

[The Dems] scuttled this amendment in committee in a way that makes them difficult to track down individually. That’s sneaky but it’s how Washington often works. Rep. Bennie Thompson is the most likely culprit, but it’s unlikely that he’s flying solo here.
The fight’s not over, as Audrey Hudson notes:

While the conference is not likely to meet again, Mr. King noted the conference report has not been written and says he will continue discussions with Sen. Joe Lieberman, Connecticut independent and chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, to insert the “John Doe” language.

Sen. Susan Collins, Maine Republican and ranking member of the committee, announced afterward she will attempt to attach a similar bill to an education measure currently under debate on the Senate floor.
Keep calling Nancy Pelosi’s office to protest.

And start hounding your Senators.

Congress switchboard: 202-224-3121
Nancy Pelosi’s office: 202-225-4965

Who is John Doe? I am John Doe. You are John Doe:



2:56pm Eastern update. Audrey Hudson reports…

A Senate Republican aide says they scored one victory when the chamber’s parliamentarian ruled this morning that the “John Doe” protections are within the scope of the legislation and can be included by amendment.

“Combine that with the public outcry and Democrats may be forced to cave,” the aide said.

However, Democrats plan to limit the number of amendments to only three or four and there is no word yet on which amendments will be allowed.
Keep the pressure on.

***

Andy McCarthy and Audrey Hudson report that Democrats are attempting to water down the “John Doe” amendment–the legislation sponsored by Rep. Peter King that would protect citizen whistleblowers who act to protect our national security and who are threatened by lawsuits from CAIR and their grievance-mongering ilk. Time is short. You need to make your voice heard in Congress now.

Hudson writes:

Democrats are trying to pull a provision from a homeland security bill that will protect the public from being sued for reporting suspicious behavior that may lead to a terrorist attack, according to House Republican leadership aides.

The legislation, which moves to a House and Senate conference committee this afternoon, will implement final recommendations from the 911 Commission.

Rep. Pete King, New York Republican and ranking member of the House Homeland Security Committee, and Rep. Steve Pearce, New Mexico Republican, sponsored the bill after a group of Muslim imams filed a lawsuit against U.S. Airways and unknown or “John Doe” passengers after they were removed for suspicious behavior aboard Flight 300 from Minneapolis to Phoenix on Nov. 20 before their removal.

“Democrats are trying to find any technical excuse to keep immunity out of the language of the bill to protect citizens, who in good faith, report suspicious activity to police or law enforcement,” Mr. King said in an interview last night.

“This is a slap in the face of good citizens who do their patriotic duty and come forward, and it caves in to radical Islamists,” Mr. King said.

“I don’t see how you can have a homeland security bill without protecting people who come forward to report suspicious activity,” Mr. King said.
McCarthy sums up why this is so critical: “As Pete King’s office notes, in a post-9/11 reality, passenger vigilance is essential to our security. Given the variety of threats we face and terrorists’ history of targeting mass transit systems, encouraging passengers to report strange behavior to authorities is really just common sense. Failing to report suspicious behavior could end up costing thousands of lives — and while the “flying imams” don’t seem to understand this, the American people do. We must make certain that brave citizens who stand up and say something are given the protections they deserve. The King amendment does exactly that, and Democrats musn’t be allowed to strip it from the 9/11 conference report on a technicality.”

the rest on this at michelles site..

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/19/dont-let-the-dems-kill-the-john-doe-amendment/
 
Update: House Dems kill John Doe amendment…fight moves to the Senate Update: 8:55pm Senate Dems kill John Doe amendment…roll added
By Michelle Malkin • July 19, 2007 06:59 PM 7/20 1:25pm update. Video of Rep. Pete King ripping the Dems over their opposition to the John Doe amendment.

7/20 9:30am update. Read Debra Burlingame: “We disarm ourselves when we succumb to political correctness - which encourages us to second guess our common sense and look the other way. It is an outrage that Pelosi and Reid would allow individuals to be punished when they come forward to protect us all.”

If you see something, say something:

Congress switchboard: 202-224-3121
Nancy Pelosi’s office: 202-225-4965
Reid’s office: 202-224-3542

7/20 7:40am update: Andrew McCarthy assails the Death Wish Caucus–the cowardly, reckless, feckless Democrats who want John Doe citizen whistleblowers to shut up or be sued.



Photoshop via Justin Higgins at Right on the Right

9:20pm Eastern update. Here’s the roll on the Senate John Doe protection amendment, which missed the 60-vote threshold by 3 votes. Interesting facts: No Republican voted against it. GOP presidential candidate Sam “Switchback” Brownback didn’t bother to vote. Hillary voted for it. Obama sat it out:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...fm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00261#position



Reader S.M. looks at some of the at-risk ‘08 Dems who voted for the bill (Hillary, Baucus, Landrieu) versus the supposed “maverick” freshmen (who don’t face re-election until 2012) who voted no (Webb, Tester, McCaskill, etc.): “Transparent politics. Kill the measure, but do it in a way that protects the vulnerable incumbents from attack ads.”

Yep.

8:55pm Eastern update. Well, the Senate Dems have spoken. Susan Collins got a vote, but it just failed. Audrey Hudson’s latest update: “The measure failed in a late-night 57-39 vote after some last minute arm-twisting by Democrats, three votes shy of the required (super majority) 60 votes because it was not directly related (germane) to the underlying educational funding bill.”

Bottom line: The Dems believe that if you see something, you should just shut up.

This fight is not over. There still is a final conference report to be hashed out. Keep your phones lit. The Senate Dems need to hear from you.

Stand by for the roll on Collins’ John Doe protection amendment, SA 2340…

6:58 pm Eastern update and bumped. Audrey Hudson reports the Dems have successfully stripped out the John Doe amendment:

Congressional Democrats today failed to include a provision in homeland security legislation that would protect the public from being sued for reporting suspicious behavior that may lead to a terrorist attack, according to House Republican leaders.

“This is a slap in the face of good citizens who do their patriotic duty and come forward, and it caves in to radical Islamists,” said Rep. Peter T. King, New York Republican and ranking member of the House Homeland Security Committee.
Who is responsible? Bryan Preston observes:

[The Dems] scuttled this amendment in committee in a way that makes them difficult to track down individually. That’s sneaky but it’s how Washington often works. Rep. Bennie Thompson is the most likely culprit, but it’s unlikely that he’s flying solo here.
The fight’s not over, as Audrey Hudson notes:

While the conference is not likely to meet again, Mr. King noted the conference report has not been written and says he will continue discussions with Sen. Joe Lieberman, Connecticut independent and chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, to insert the “John Doe” language.

Sen. Susan Collins, Maine Republican and ranking member of the committee, announced afterward she will attempt to attach a similar bill to an education measure currently under debate on the Senate floor.
Keep calling Nancy Pelosi’s office to protest.

And start hounding your Senators.

Congress switchboard: 202-224-3121
Nancy Pelosi’s office: 202-225-4965

Who is John Doe? I am John Doe. You are John Doe:



2:56pm Eastern update. Audrey Hudson reports…

A Senate Republican aide says they scored one victory when the chamber’s parliamentarian ruled this morning that the “John Doe” protections are within the scope of the legislation and can be included by amendment.

“Combine that with the public outcry and Democrats may be forced to cave,” the aide said.

However, Democrats plan to limit the number of amendments to only three or four and there is no word yet on which amendments will be allowed.
Keep the pressure on.

***

Andy McCarthy and Audrey Hudson report that Democrats are attempting to water down the “John Doe” amendment–the legislation sponsored by Rep. Peter King that would protect citizen whistleblowers who act to protect our national security and who are threatened by lawsuits from CAIR and their grievance-mongering ilk. Time is short. You need to make your voice heard in Congress now.

Hudson writes:

Democrats are trying to pull a provision from a homeland security bill that will protect the public from being sued for reporting suspicious behavior that may lead to a terrorist attack, according to House Republican leadership aides.

The legislation, which moves to a House and Senate conference committee this afternoon, will implement final recommendations from the 911 Commission.

Rep. Pete King, New York Republican and ranking member of the House Homeland Security Committee, and Rep. Steve Pearce, New Mexico Republican, sponsored the bill after a group of Muslim imams filed a lawsuit against U.S. Airways and unknown or “John Doe” passengers after they were removed for suspicious behavior aboard Flight 300 from Minneapolis to Phoenix on Nov. 20 before their removal.

“Democrats are trying to find any technical excuse to keep immunity out of the language of the bill to protect citizens, who in good faith, report suspicious activity to police or law enforcement,” Mr. King said in an interview last night.

“This is a slap in the face of good citizens who do their patriotic duty and come forward, and it caves in to radical Islamists,” Mr. King said.

“I don’t see how you can have a homeland security bill without protecting people who come forward to report suspicious activity,” Mr. King said.
McCarthy sums up why this is so critical: “As Pete King’s office notes, in a post-9/11 reality, passenger vigilance is essential to our security. Given the variety of threats we face and terrorists’ history of targeting mass transit systems, encouraging passengers to report strange behavior to authorities is really just common sense. Failing to report suspicious behavior could end up costing thousands of lives — and while the “flying imams” don’t seem to understand this, the American people do. We must make certain that brave citizens who stand up and say something are given the protections they deserve. The King amendment does exactly that, and Democrats musn’t be allowed to strip it from the 9/11 conference report on a technicality.”

the rest on this at michelles site..

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/19/dont-let-the-dems-kill-the-john-doe-amendment/

I would say call Reid's Nevada office, but then I remembered after everytime he get's re-elected he forget's Nevada exists!:rofl:
 
Not one that actually works but we spend a lot to give people the impression that we're trying. The political indoctrination curriculum seems to be working quite well tho.

Well, I see by my records that I am sure as hell PAYING for one. Don't know how they do it in Austin, but here, you pay school taxes according to the school district you live in. Has created quite a disparity in the local education system, i.e. schools in wealthy districts are much better.
 
Ahhh...Anonymous tips to the government about the activities of its citizens. The Stasi of the late East Germany raised that technique to a fine art. After the fall of East Germany, some 33 million pages of such documentation were found in Stasi archives. Nothing like a police state to keep the riff-raff of the streets. Nothing like anonymous tips made by ones neighbors to sow fear and distrust amongst the population. Divide and conquer...Still works, even when applied to the citizens of one's own country. It's how democracies fall...Sow fear and distrust amongst the citizenry, and they'll welcome any despot who promises to bring "order", "safety" and "security" to us all.

You really don't understand, do you?
 
Ahhh...Anonymous tips to the government about the activities of its citizens. The Stasi of the late East Germany raised that technique to a fine art. After the fall of East Germany, some 33 million pages of such documentation were found in Stasi archives. Nothing like a police state to keep the riff-raff of the streets.

You really don't understand, do you?

I do. And you can just plan on your attitude being reported ....:badgrin:
 
Ahhh...Anonymous tips to the government about the activities of its citizens. The Stasi of the late East Germany raised that technique to a fine art. After the fall of East Germany, some 33 million pages of such documentation were found in Stasi archives. Nothing like a police state to keep the riff-raff of the streets. Nothing like anonymous tips made by ones neighbors to sow fear and distrust amongst the population. Divide and conquer...Still works, even when applied to the citizens of one's own country. It's how democracies fall...Sow fear and distrust amongst the citizenry, and they'll welcome any despot who promises to bring "order", "safety" and "security" to us all.

You really don't understand, do you?

OMG--you're right. Ban the milk carton !!!
 
Took the words right out of my mouth. They can't afford to give up the power of taking "legal" action . It's the nuke in their arsenal.

It's also how they fund their campaigns! John Edwards is a good example. And the trial lawyers ill-gotten gains usually end up in the campaign coffers of DEMOCRATS.
 
An editorial I can agree with:

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=269824091134203

Keeping The Flying Imams Airborne

INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

Posted 7/20/2007


Were it not for the courage and sacrifice of the passengers of United Flight 93 who forced their plane into a Pennsylvania field, many in Congress might not be here today, with a gaping hole where the U.S. Capitol still stands. We wonder if this fact is appreciated by those trying to block final passage of the so-called "John Doe" provision protecting from legal action those who report suspicious behavior on airplanes.

Today's passengers have an advantage. They know what can happen. They know what to look for. They will not be taken by surprise, and they are willing to take action. But some in Congress would sacrifice their lives on the altar of political correctness.

Last November, six Muslim imams leaving an Islamic conference were removed from U.S. Airways Flight 300 in Minneapolis when passengers reported that the imams had acted in suspicious ways. Both U.S. Airways and the passengers soon became targets of legal action charging discrimination and racial profiling...

...

But last week, as Republicans tried to have the "John Doe" protection included in final homeland security legislation crafted by a House-Senate conference committee to implement the 9/11 Commission's recommendations, they found Democratic conferees blocking its inclusion.

"Democrats are trying to find any technical excuse to keep immunity out of the language of the bill to protect citizens, who in good faith, report suspicious activity to police," said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. "I don't see how you can have a homeland security bill without protecting people who come forward to report suspicious activity."

...

We wonder how the plot by the Fort Dix Six to attack a U.S. Army base might have unfolded if a courageous Circuit City employee hadn't overcome similar fears to report a video showing the six engaged in paramilitary training while shouting "Allahu Akhbar!"

As a federal air marshal in Las Vegas observed: "The crew and passengers act as our additional eyes and ears on every flight. If they are afraid of reporting suspicious individuals out of fear of being labeled a racist or bigot, then terrorists will certainly use these fears to their advantage in future aviation attacks."

What bothers us is why some Democrats want to let them.
 

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