Does the failure of Solyndra mean Obama has failed on Energy policy? Not even close.

[Mr. H.]

Obama has laid out $90 in punitive tax measures directed at the oil and gas industries.
I hardly call this "energy policy".

40% of US corn crops is diverted to ethanol production. Still, 20% of ethanol produced is exported.
Grain prices are at near record levels, effecting a host of industries and products.

"Require drilling on current oil and gas leases" - further proof he knows jack shit about the industry.

No- the guy is a major failure.

I don't see how those examples make him a "major failure"

Selectively hitting oil and natural gas businesses with a $90 billion dollar tax burden is hardly successful energy policy. You don't penalize an industry that is critical to achieving your stated goals: increased production, reduced imports, and job creation.

Ethanol has run its course. It's costly, has a zero-net energy return, drives up commodity prices, takes grain out of domestic and world markets where it's needed, and was just a stick-stupid concept to begin with.

Oil and gas leases are acquired in "Blocks", assessed and analyzed- with the most promising areas drilled first. Tens of thousand of acres are required to generate a prospect that is fractionally smaller than the entire Block.

Obama doesn't know what he's doing, and you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[ba1614]

The current route plan for the pipeline raises several environmental concerns. Obama put off the decision to implement it until a better route is proposed.

His own State Department has already exhaustively reviewed that issue in a previous environmental impact statment that took 3 years to complete and contained 100 pages responding to just the type of concerns being cynically paraded around as excuses for the president's political cowardice.

And while our 'Leader from Behind' plays golf and dithers we become ever more dependent on foreign energy, and China may directly benefit - at our expense - from obama's political games with our nation's energy policy. And the world won't be one speck cleaner or safer for the trouble.

Canada is already in negotiations with China about it. How incredibly sad for both our nations.

 

[Billy000]

Obama has laid out $90 in punitive tax measures directed at the oil and gas industries.
I hardly call this "energy policy".

40% of US corn crops is diverted to ethanol production. Still, 20% of ethanol produced is exported.
Grain prices are at near record levels, effecting a host of industries and products.

"Require drilling on current oil and gas leases" - further proof he knows jack shit about the industry.

No- the guy is a major failure.

I don't see how those examples make him a "major failure"

Selectively hitting oil and natural gas businesses with a $90 billion dollar tax burden is hardly successful energy policy. You don't penalize an industry that is critical to achieving your stated goals: increased production, reduced imports, and job creation.

Ethanol has run its course. It's costly, has a zero-net energy return, drives up commodity prices, takes grain out of domestic and world markets where it's needed, and was just a stick-stupid concept to begin with.

Oil and gas leases are acquired in "Blocks", assessed and analyzed- with the most promising areas drilled first. Tens of thousand of acres are required to generate a prospect that is fractionally smaller than the entire Block.

Obama doesn't know what he's doing, and you don't know what you're talking about.

Finally, some substance! Okay, but what makes all of the other examples from PolitiFact harmful? What makes them failures? Obviously, Obama is not perfect, but I am pretty far from believing his energy policy was a failure altogether.

 

[Billy000]

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Create 5 million "green" jobs

Obama will have created almost a million jobs by the end of 2012 and 4 million more by 2018.

 

[The Rabbi]

Okay, so you're saying that oil companies have created 10 million jobs? Even if that were true, there is no way in hell they could have created that many jobs in 3 years. Do you have a link to prove that?

Wall Street Journal editorial: The Non-Green Jobs Boom « Marcellus Shale Coalition

This pales in comparison to Obama's plan. Where is this 10 million job figure you were talking about? According to this, 200,000 jobs have been created since 2003. That is an 8 year stretch. Obama's plan will have created 800,000 jobs in 4 years.

It's simple math, really.

Obama's plan hasn't created ANY jobs yet.

 

[Full-Auto]

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Create 5 million "green" jobs

Obama will have created almost a million jobs by the end of 2012 and 4 million more by 2018.

Youre an idiot billy.

You want to prove the job numbers post from the Bureau of labor statistics.

 

[Billy000]

Wall Street Journal editorial: The Non-Green Jobs Boom « Marcellus Shale Coalition

This pales in comparison to Obama's plan. Where is this 10 million job figure you were talking about? According to this, 200,000 jobs have been created since 2003. That is an 8 year stretch. Obama's plan will have created 800,000 jobs in 4 years.

It's simple math, really.

Obama's plan hasn't created ANY jobs yet.

Incorrect. The official report on the Green jobs initiative hasn't come out, but estimates point to close to around 800,000. To say Obama hasn't created ANY jobs is patently false.

 

[Full-Auto]

This pales in comparison to Obama's plan. Where is this 10 million job figure you were talking about? According to this, 200,000 jobs have been created since 2003. That is an 8 year stretch. Obama's plan will have created 800,000 jobs in 4 years.

It's simple math, really.

Obama's plan hasn't created ANY jobs yet.

Incorrect. The official report on the Green jobs initiative hasn't come out, but estimates point to close to around 800,000. To say Obama hasn't created ANY jobs is patently false.

No net gains. should we dance in the streets?

 

[ba1614]

Obama's plan hasn't created ANY jobs yet.

Incorrect. The official report on the Green jobs initiative hasn't come out, but estimates point to close to around 800,000. To say Obama hasn't created ANY jobs is patently false.

No net gains. should we dance in the streets?

I would love to see an "official report on the Green jobs initiative ..". What a piece of work that will be.

 

[Billy000]

Incorrect. The official report on the Green jobs initiative hasn't come out, but estimates point to close to around 800,000. To say Obama hasn't created ANY jobs is patently false.

No net gains. should we dance in the streets?

I would love to see an "official report on the Green jobs initiative ..". What a piece of work that will be.

Obviously you know nothing about the issue. Do you really think you have an informed opinion on it?

 

[Mr. H.]

Obama has laid out $90 in punitive tax measures directed at the oil and gas industries.
I hardly call this "energy policy".

40% of US corn crops is diverted to ethanol production. Still, 20% of ethanol produced is exported.
Grain prices are at near record levels, effecting a host of industries and products.

"Require drilling on current oil and gas leases" - further proof he knows jack shit about the industry.

No- the guy is a major failure.

I don't see how those examples make him a "major failure"

Selectively hitting oil and natural gas businesses with a $90 billion dollar tax burden is hardly successful energy policy. You don't penalize an industry that is critical to achieving your stated goals: increased production, reduced imports, and job creation.

Ethanol has run its course. It's costly, has a zero-net energy return, drives up commodity prices, takes grain out of domestic and world markets where it's needed, and was just a stick-stupid concept to begin with.

Oil and gas leases are acquired in "Blocks", assessed and analyzed- with the most promising areas drilled first. Tens of thousand of acres are required to generate a prospect that is fractionally smaller than the entire Block.

Obama doesn't know what he's doing, and you don't know what you're talking about.

Finally, some substance! Okay, but what makes all of the other examples from PolitiFact harmful? What makes them failures? Obviously, Obama is not perfect, but I am pretty far from believing his energy policy was a failure altogether.

I appreciate you recognizing my points.
I'm not going to pick apart the link you gave in your first post, but here's a few more comments:

The partnership will also look for ways for nations to coordinate to transport green energy across national borders...

Obama has delayed a decision on the XL pipeline extension. Not cool.
Canadian tar-sands oil will be developed regardless. The question is, does the U.S. recognize the importance of bringing this oil into our country as opposed to the Canadians exporting it to China? There's no rational reasoning behind delaying the pipeline. It means secure North American energy, less imports from aggressive nations such as those in the Middle East and South America, and it means JOBS.

Enact windfall profits tax for oil companies

We've already seen how this failed for Carter. He syphoned billions in revenue from oil and gas companies with such a tax- resulting in massive industry layoffs, reduced domestic production, and increased imports.
It's not a "tax"-- and it's not based on profits. It is a direct confiscation of private property.

Release oil from Strategic Petroleum Reserve

The Reserve was not created as a mechanism to manipulate oil or gasoline prices or to buy votes. It's a strategic reserve and should be protected as such. If you want more product in the market, produce it from new discoveries within the U.S.

 

[The Rabbi]

This pales in comparison to Obama's plan. Where is this 10 million job figure you were talking about? According to this, 200,000 jobs have been created since 2003. That is an 8 year stretch. Obama's plan will have created 800,000 jobs in 4 years.

It's simple math, really.

Obama's plan hasn't created ANY jobs yet.

Incorrect. The official report on the Green jobs initiative hasn't come out, but estimates point to close to around 800,000. To say Obama hasn't created ANY jobs is patently false.

He has not created any jobs, in any sense that is meaningful. Estimates are just that, guesses.
Billy, don't be a zero.

 

[BlindBoo]

And yet, you can't even prove it's been a disaster.

He proves it himself (you probably haven't noticed, given that your head has been bobbing around his waist for so long).

His executive branch has been active in blocking, delaying, or obstructing new coal, nuclear, and offshore oil drilling (after his disasterous non-handling of the Gulf spill). A pipeline project from Canada to the Gulf with a great many potential benefits has been put off (until after...)due to the most crass, obvious, transparent political considerations. OUR tax dollars are flushed down the crapper in the hundreds of millions out of obstinant, irresponsible, vain, and corrupt political and personal concerns. You need to close your legs, straighten your skirt, and stop being such a shameless whore out of ridiculous, indefensible partisanship.

How exactly was Obama's handling of the Gulf spill disasterous? You didn't explain it.

The current route plan for the pipeline raises several environmental concerns. Obama put off the decision to implement it until a better route is proposed.

So far all I've gotten from you is generic republican rhetoric and the insistence that I am a "shameless whore". Is that really all you have to say?

Unk is a partisan hack so good luck getting any worth while answer. Though his foul mouthed badgering in kind of amusing......

 

[BlindBoo]

The current route plan for the pipeline raises several environmental concerns. Obama put off the decision to implement it until a better route is proposed.

His own State Department has already exhaustively reviewed that issue in a previous environmental impact statment that took 3 years to complete and contained 100 pages responding to just the type of concerns being cynically paraded around as excuses for the president's political cowardice.

And while our 'Leader from Behind' plays golf and dithers we become ever more dependent on foreign energy, and China may directly benefit - at our expense - from obama's political games with our nation's energy policy. And the world won't be one speck cleaner or safer for the trouble.

Canada is already in negotiations with China about it. How incredibly sad for both our nations.

So they want to build a pipeline to China to pump that bitumen (and don't forget the Benzine) to refineries in China? The China talks are dead in the water.

 

[The Rabbi]

His own State Department has already exhaustively reviewed that issue in a previous environmental impact statment that took 3 years to complete and contained 100 pages responding to just the type of concerns being cynically paraded around as excuses for the president's political cowardice.

And while our 'Leader from Behind' plays golf and dithers we become ever more dependent on foreign energy, and China may directly benefit - at our expense - from obama's political games with our nation's energy policy. And the world won't be one speck cleaner or safer for the trouble.

Canada is already in negotiations with China about it. How incredibly sad for both our nations.

So they want to build a pipeline to China to pump that bitumen (and don't forget the Benzine) to refineries in China? The China talks are dead in the water.

They'll ship it. And yes, as soon as the administration announced the delay the Chinese were all over it.

 

[Billy000]

Obama's plan hasn't created ANY jobs yet.

Incorrect. The official report on the Green jobs initiative hasn't come out, but estimates point to close to around 800,000. To say Obama hasn't created ANY jobs is patently false.

He has not created any jobs, in any sense that is meaningful. Estimates are just that, guesses.
Billy, don't be a zero.

In any sense that is meaningful? Jobs are jobs, bud. He's made 100,000's of them. Is it really so hard for you to accept?

 

[Billy000]

Selectively hitting oil and natural gas businesses with a $90 billion dollar tax burden is hardly successful energy policy. You don't penalize an industry that is critical to achieving your stated goals: increased production, reduced imports, and job creation.

Ethanol has run its course. It's costly, has a zero-net energy return, drives up commodity prices, takes grain out of domestic and world markets where it's needed, and was just a stick-stupid concept to begin with.

Oil and gas leases are acquired in "Blocks", assessed and analyzed- with the most promising areas drilled first. Tens of thousand of acres are required to generate a prospect that is fractionally smaller than the entire Block.

Obama doesn't know what he's doing, and you don't know what you're talking about.

Finally, some substance! Okay, but what makes all of the other examples from PolitiFact harmful? What makes them failures? Obviously, Obama is not perfect, but I am pretty far from believing his energy policy was a failure altogether.

I appreciate you recognizing my points.
I'm not going to pick apart the link you gave in your first post, but here's a few more comments:

The partnership will also look for ways for nations to coordinate to transport green energy across national borders...

Obama has delayed a decision on the XL pipeline extension. Not cool.
Canadian tar-sands oil will be developed regardless. The question is, does the U.S. recognize the importance of bringing this oil into our country as opposed to the Canadians exporting it to China? There's no rational reasoning behind delaying the pipeline. It means secure North American energy, less imports from aggressive nations such as those in the Middle East and South America, and it means JOBS.

Enact windfall profits tax for oil companies

We've already seen how this failed for Carter. He syphoned billions in revenue from oil and gas companies with such a tax- resulting in massive industry layoffs, reduced domestic production, and increased imports.
It's not a "tax"-- and it's not based on profits. It is a direct confiscation of private property.

Release oil from Strategic Petroleum Reserve

The Reserve was not created as a mechanism to manipulate oil or gasoline prices or to buy votes. It's a strategic reserve and should be protected as such. If you want more product in the market, produce it from new discoveries within the U.S.

Of course, you do realize that taxes go somewhere right? They do help the country. It's not like the government sticks them in a mattress somewhere.

 

[oreo]

Here is an assessment on the outcome of Obama's campaign promises. I think this further proves that Obama has been a very effective president, despite a sluggish economy.

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Campaign Promises that are about Energy

Here is a good one:

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Create 5 million "green" jobs

It will take about a decade for the promise above to be fully fulfilled (depending on economic conditions), but already estimates say close to a million private, green jobs will have been created by the end of 2012.

All in all, was Solyndra a failure? Yes, but that does not mean Obama hasn't made great strides with Energy issues.

So we have another ESTIMATE of the green jobs that will be created---

Solyndra along with 3 other solar companies have cost the taxpayers of this country 850 MILLION taxpayer dollars. Because they have all gone bankrupt. The scandal on Solyndra--is absolute negligence on the part of this administration. Loaning this company 535 MILLION dollars on a BET--knowing full well that all anaylsts involved stated that this company was going to go belly up. And then to find out that the main investor in Solyndra was also a large campaign bundler for Obama's 2008 campaign. Croni-capitalism at it's best.

Then we found out that we just loaned another 787 million dollars to the solar project in Nevada--who's CEO just happens to be Nancy Pelosi's brother-in-law.

Crony Capitalism: $737 Million Green Jobs Loan Given to Nancy Pelosi's Brother-In-Law | The Weekly Standard

Oh--then lets not talk about Fiscar -- more taxpayers dollars for a car to be built in Finland--one of the investors is Al Gore.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Obama has an energy policy? Who knew!

What is it?

 

[Billy000]

Obama has an energy policy? Who knew!

What is it?

Maybe you should start paying attention, and you would know.