Does Pornography Harm Children Who View It?

[koshergrl]

WTF???!!! He's "concerned" about the well-being and safety of children, so he wants to introduce them to sex! Any normal adult is going to question his motives.

Normal adults are in short supply here. This site attracts people like this for just this reason...they can post and network all they like, and they're protected by the staff.

 

[flacaltenn]

You clearly lack the nurturing skills that parenting requires. Depriving children of that protective nurturing can cause all manner of harm as they attempt to GROW into adults and discover how to think and handle emotions. Don't know WHY you see children as midget adults, but folks with experience and common sense are horrified at your callous and ill-conceived pitch to sexualize children at young ages.

Well, as I said earlier, you and all the other detractors have a problem as everything I've said in this thread is echoed on sites like safekids.com whose reputations are above reproach.

I have yet to these factoids and theories ADOPTED as standard practice by any reputable professionals. When there is an "adolescent porn exposure therapy" developed and taught in Psych schools, then I'll reconsider. Although I don't necessarily believe that MOST of the Psych field gives a shit about science and methods.

Baking cookies here so only have about 10 mins at a time to chat, but as to the 'yet to see these factoids adopted...'

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So your kid is looking at porn. Now what SafeKids.com

(relevant excerpts)

"Let’s be honest. Many children — especially post-pubescent boys — are interested in what we commonly call “porn.” You might not like the idea that some kids are looking at these images, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a pretty common occurrence.

There are a number of reasons why kids look at pornography. For some, it’s to be “cool.” There are reported cases of relatively young children using porn to impress their friends, much as kids sometimes smoke to show their independence.

Sometimes it’s curiosity, but in many cases — especially for males past puberty, it’s for stimulation at times when no one else is around.

Don’t overreact. How you respond to the situation can have more of an effect than the exposure itself, according to Richard Toft, a child psychologist in Palo Alto, California.

“Parents,” said Dr. Toft, “need to approach porn the same way they approach any issue about their child’s sexuality. There are laws involved, there is responsibility involved, and there is a life long impact of everything they do whether they want to admit it or not.” Dr. Toft added, “Parents are going to do best if they do not consider porn isolated from sexuality. They need to address their moral feelings about sex, and porn is part of that. It is also best addressed ahead of time not after the fact.” He added, “A parent’s reaction can have a tremendous impact, and you could make it traumatic by ranting, raving and threatening reprisals.”‘

[emphasis added by me for some people here]

Dr. Marty Klein, a Silicon Valley-based marriage counselor, psychotherapist, and sex therapist, said that “many parents are blissfully ignoring their kids’ sexuality. They don’t talk about sex with their children when they’re young and when they trip over their kid’s porn at age 14, they suddenly realize their kid is a sexual being. ” Finding that your kid is using porn, said Dr. Klein, “can be a teachable moment. It can be turned into a positive thing. It may be long overdue for a parent to have a few conversations about sex with their kid.” He added,” we don’t wait around for our kids to ask about taking care of their teeth. We teach them dental hygiene when they’re young. It’s the same with sex.” Dr. Klein argues that “you can’t talk about porn without talking about your kid masturbating. One of the reason parents don’t want their kids looking at porn is because they’re uncomfortable with their kid masturbating.” Klein said that there is no evidence that masturbation is harmful or dangerous unless the child is doing it so much that it’s interfering with other activities."


I could go on, but I like short succinct posts. Short n skinny is it IS adopted. Nothing in this thread isn't already implemented by psychologists, counsellors, law enforcement, and child safety advocates.

You have NO CASE for any BENEFIT of exposing children to porn INTENTIONALLY with ANYTHING said at that site. In fact, the main effort of that site is to PROTECT kids from pornography and other questionable material.

It is intended to brief parents about their kids naturally developing sexuality -- not an advocation of ENHANCING for bogus benefits that you believe to exist.

Ironic that you chastise me for using the word shit, when "**** me Harder Baby -- shit -- that's right" is the standard dialogue of porn..
(or so I hear )
THAT'S certainly not gonna create any developmental issues now -- is it?

 

[flacaltenn]

"
The CAPTA definition of sexual abuse includes:
The employment, use, persuasion, inducement, enticement,
or coercion of any child to engage in, or assist any other
person to engage in, any sexually explicit conduct"

https://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/define.pdf

You suspect there are children here at USMB?
Could be -- I s'pose...

 

[Delta4Embassy]

You clearly lack the nurturing skills that parenting requires. Depriving children of that protective nurturing can cause all manner of harm as they attempt to GROW into adults and discover how to think and handle emotions. Don't know WHY you see children as midget adults, but folks with experience and common sense are horrified at your callous and ill-conceived pitch to sexualize children at young ages.

Well, as I said earlier, you and all the other detractors have a problem as everything I've said in this thread is echoed on sites like safekids.com whose reputations are above reproach.

I have yet to these factoids and theories ADOPTED as standard practice by any reputable professionals. When there is an "adolescent porn exposure therapy" developed and taught in Psych schools, then I'll reconsider. Although I don't necessarily believe that MOST of the Psych field gives a shit about science and methods.

Baking cookies here so only have about 10 mins at a time to chat, but as to the 'yet to see these factoids adopted...'

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* Disney's Internet Safety - Help Mickey and the gang with their adventures in Internet safety!
* DLTK's - DLTK's Crafts for Kids (Safety Ideas)
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* ILC Glossary of Internet Terms - by Matisse Enzer.
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* My Rules for Online Safety - Kids' Rules for Online Safety.
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* SafeKids.com - Online safety and civility SafeKids Online Safety Quiz
* The Police Notebook - Law Enforcement Internet site to promote safety and crime prevention information. Kid Safety of the Internet.
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* What Can I do to be 'Net' safe - The Police Notebook - Law Enforcement Internet site to promote safety and crime prevention information.
* Yahooligans! Parents Guide - Safe surfing is a family affair.

So your kid is looking at porn. Now what SafeKids.com

(relevant excerpts)

"Let’s be honest. Many children — especially post-pubescent boys — are interested in what we commonly call “porn.” You might not like the idea that some kids are looking at these images, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a pretty common occurrence.

There are a number of reasons why kids look at pornography. For some, it’s to be “cool.” There are reported cases of relatively young children using porn to impress their friends, much as kids sometimes smoke to show their independence.

Sometimes it’s curiosity, but in many cases — especially for males past puberty, it’s for stimulation at times when no one else is around.

Don’t overreact. How you respond to the situation can have more of an effect than the exposure itself, according to Richard Toft, a child psychologist in Palo Alto, California.

“Parents,” said Dr. Toft, “need to approach porn the same way they approach any issue about their child’s sexuality. There are laws involved, there is responsibility involved, and there is a life long impact of everything they do whether they want to admit it or not.” Dr. Toft added, “Parents are going to do best if they do not consider porn isolated from sexuality. They need to address their moral feelings about sex, and porn is part of that. It is also best addressed ahead of time not after the fact.” He added, “A parent’s reaction can have a tremendous impact, and you could make it traumatic by ranting, raving and threatening reprisals.”‘

[emphasis added by me for some people here]

Dr. Marty Klein, a Silicon Valley-based marriage counselor, psychotherapist, and sex therapist, said that “many parents are blissfully ignoring their kids’ sexuality. They don’t talk about sex with their children when they’re young and when they trip over their kid’s porn at age 14, they suddenly realize their kid is a sexual being. ” Finding that your kid is using porn, said Dr. Klein, “can be a teachable moment. It can be turned into a positive thing. It may be long overdue for a parent to have a few conversations about sex with their kid.” He added,” we don’t wait around for our kids to ask about taking care of their teeth. We teach them dental hygiene when they’re young. It’s the same with sex.” Dr. Klein argues that “you can’t talk about porn without talking about your kid masturbating. One of the reason parents don’t want their kids looking at porn is because they’re uncomfortable with their kid masturbating.” Klein said that there is no evidence that masturbation is harmful or dangerous unless the child is doing it so much that it’s interfering with other activities."


I could go on, but I like short succinct posts. Short n skinny is it IS adopted. Nothing in this thread isn't already implemented by psychologists, counsellors, law enforcement, and child safety advocates.

You have NO CASE for any BENEFIT of exposing children to porn INTENTIONALLY with ANYTHING said at that site. In fact, the main effort of that site is to PROTECT kids from pornography and other questionable material.

It is intended to brief parents about their kids naturally developing sexuality -- not an advocation of ENHANCING for bogus benefits that you believe to exist.

Ironic that you chastise me for using the word shit, when "**** me Harder Baby -- shit -- that's right" is the standard dialogue of porn..
(or so I hear )
THAT'S certainly not gonna create any developmental issues now -- is it?

Would say you're living proof of it's effect.

Never claimed or asserted deliberately exposing kids to porn should be done. Site above, myself, and the science-sites previously mentioned say kids expose themselves to porn often. Haven't asserted a position about advocating showing kids porn, like other claims, you and others have made those and other claims and allusions because you're all too immature to have this discussion. You're the 'ranting and raving' the aforementioned article warns about.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

"
The CAPTA definition of sexual abuse includes:
The employment, use, persuasion, inducement, enticement,
or coercion of any child to engage in, or assist any other
person to engage in, any sexually explicit conduct"

https://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/define.pdf

You suspect there are children here at USMB?
Could be -- I s'pose...

Presumedly there are. Can read the site without registering if the hundreds of 'Guests' are any indication.

 

[koshergrl]

"
The CAPTA definition of sexual abuse includes:
The employment, use, persuasion, inducement, enticement,
or coercion of any child to engage in, or assist any other
person to engage in, any sexually explicit conduct"

https://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/define.pdf

You suspect there are children here at USMB?
Could be -- I s'pose...

 

[koshergrl]

If you're encouraging adults to share porn with children, you're breaking the law. Bottom line.

 

[flacaltenn]

Ironic that you chastise me for using the word shit, when "**** me Harder Baby -- shit -- that's right" is the standard dialogue of porn..
(or so I hear )
THAT'S certainly not gonna create any developmental issues now -- is it?

Would say you're living proof of it's effect.

Never claimed or asserted deliberately exposing kids to porn should be done. Site above, myself, and the science-sites previously mentioned say kids expose themselves to porn often. Haven't asserted a position about advocating showing kids porn, like other claims, you and others have made those and other claims and allusions because you're all too immature to have this discussion. You're the 'ranting and raving' the aforementioned article warns about.

Actually you did.. In that you postulated a more peaceful society if children had access to porn. And you implied such ridiculous things as Columbine might not have happen if they were NOT virgins (completely divorced from the subject of porn). So in these pages you have advocated sexualizing children at young ages for the benefits to society.

Now -- my issue really isn't with whatever motives keeps you typing in threads like these.. My issue with you is a MOUNTAIN full of faulty reasoning, failures of logic/science and MASSIVE insensitivity to societal norms.. But I suspect, that something in your beliefs is gonna keep you in the thread much longer than I can personally bear..

So -- I'm pretty much at my limit and out of humble opinions...

 

[ChrisL]

I know why he sees children as midget adults. I also know why he's posting.

I've had contact with posters who were quite questionable in the past too. One in particular would not even bother to try to hide his disease. He would INSIST that children should be sexually active as young as 5 years old. The way he talked about children was absolutely disgusting, as if they were "sexual" objects for pleasure. I would get very upset and had reported him numerous times to staff, but they had told me that there was nothing they could do about because it was just talking and that does not constitute an actual crime. Hopefully, the people in their lives would do something about this and turn them in. Unfortunately there was nothing I could do because I didn't know anything about him. However, there were several other posters who had supposedly made some phone calls to the authorities about this particular poster. I doubt if anything ever happened, but these kinds of people need to be watched and scrutinized. Our children are more important than they are.

 

[ChrisL]

Interesting that this same poster who started this OP, also started this thread. Not only is he starting threads about children and sex, but he is looking up his state laws regarding age of consent, etc. This is quite concerning, coupled with this thread and a few others, IMO.

OP, if you are considering any kind of "activity" with a child, you had best go seek help for yourself.

Rereading my state's sex-related laws this morning something I never thought much about jumped out at me:
RSMO-Chapter 566

"Marriage to victim, at time of offense, affirmative defense, for certain crimes.

566.023. It shall be an affirmative defense to prosecutions pursuant to sections 566.032, 566.034, 566.062, 566.064, 566.068, and 566.090 that the defendant was married to the victim at the time of the offense. "

Sections mentioned above are statutory rape and sodomy, child molestation, and sexual abuse sections. Above statute makes it legal to have sex with your spouse so long as you're married thereby protecting you from what would otherwise be consider unlawful statutory rape type charges.

Outside of marriage, you must be 17 or older to have sex with someone else 17 or older. But you can get married at 15 if you have parental consent. And even younger still if with a judge's permission 'when such a marriage is advisable with good cause.' (statute doesn't define what such a good cause is unfortunately.)

This is the meat of the issue though,

566.090. (Transferred 2013; now 566.101)

Sexual abuse, second degree, penalties.

566.101. 1. A person commits the offense of sexual abuse in the second degree if he or she purposely subjects another person to sexual contact without that person's consent.

In other words, as the first section at top says, if you're married you're immune from being prosecuted for the following sections including the one above. "Without their consent" This seems to be saying you can lawfully 'sexually abuse' you own spouse without their consent so long as they in fact are your lawful spouse.


(3) "Sexual contact", any touching of another person with the genitals or any touching of the genitals or anus of another person, or the breast of a female person, or such touching through the clothing, for the purpose of arousing or gratifying sexual desire of any person;

 

[shart_attack]

Interesting that this same poster who started this OP, also started this thread. Not only is he starting threads about children and sex, but he is looking up his state laws regarding age of consent, etc. This is quite concerning, coupled with this thread and a few others, IMO.

Dunno 'bout that one.

Think you just might be tryin' to make sumin' outta nuttin', right there.

It's really a must for every man today to be well aware of each state's law regarding that state's legal age of consent, what with all the steroids they keep pumpin' into these teen honeys' foods, and the way the honeys love to dress scantily, to boot.

Matter of fact, it's also a must for every man today to know what ID cards for each state look like, so as to know when one of the little hotties tries to flash one in an attempt to get him into the sack.

Got to be alert, if you're an American man today.

 

[koshergrl]

No, he's right on the money.

 

[ChrisL]

Interesting that this same poster who started this OP, also started this thread. Not only is he starting threads about children and sex, but he is looking up his state laws regarding age of consent, etc. This is quite concerning, coupled with this thread and a few others, IMO.

Dunno 'bout that one.

Think you just might be tryin' to make sumin' outta nuttin', right there.

It's really a must for every man today to be well aware of each state's law regarding that state's legal age of consent, what with all the steroids they keep pumpin' into these teen honeys' foods, and the way the honeys love to dress scantily, to boot.

Matter of fact, it's also a must for every man today to know what ID cards for each state look like, so as to know when one of the little hotties tries to flash one in an attempt to get him into the sack.

Got to be alert, if you're an American man today.

Oh really? Do you and he have many "hot" teenage girls throwing themselves at you? Somehow, I doubt it.

 

[ChrisL]

No, he's right on the money.

Who is right on the money? Me? I'm a she and not a he thankfully.

 

[ChrisL]

MOST teenage girls do not find "older" men attractive and are NOT interested in hooking up with any guy over 25 years old, to be honest. My friends and I, when we were teens, thought any men older than age were "old men." Kind of like dads. Usually, young girls who show an interest in men that much older than themselves (over 25 years old), have ulterior motives.

 

[Coyote]

This thread is closed for several reasons.

One - it is against the rules to imply or accuse or infer another member is pedo. This has occurred now multiple times.\

Two - in looking over this thread, I see no instance of any member claiming it is in any way "ok" for adults to have sex with children. Despite that the inferences continue.

Clearly, this is a hot and very sensitive topic and clearly in this thread at least it can't be discussed without breaking USMB rules.

Closed.