Does impeachment and conviction require a criminal act?

[berg80]

Does impeachment require criminal behavior? In a word, “No”

"There is also evidence closer in time to the drafting of the Constitution which indicates that behavior supporting articles of impeachment—i.e., “high crimes and misdemeanors”—need not be crimes. In Federalist 65, Alexander Hamilton famously wrote that the subjects of the Senate’s impeachment jurisdiction “are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixg...hment-require-criminal-behavior-in-a-word-no/

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article230483449.html
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The act of insurrection on Jan. 6 by the Trump inspired mob has rightly garnered a huge amount of attention. Yet, there was a precursor representing its own justification for removal from office.

Atlanta Prosecutor Appears to Move Closer to Trump Inquiry

ATLANTA — Prosecutors in Georgia appear increasingly likely to open a criminal investigation of President Trump over his attempts to overturn the results of the state’s 2020 election, an inquiry into offenses that would be beyond his federal pardon power.

The new Fulton County district attorney, Fani Willis, is already weighing whether to proceed, and among the options she is considering is the hiring of a special assistant from outside to oversee the investigation, according to people familiar with her office’s deliberations.

At the same time, David Worley, the lone Democrat on Georgia’s five-member election board, said this week that he would ask the board to make a referral to the Fulton County district attorney by next month. Among the matters he will ask prosecutors to investigate is a phone call Mr. Trump made in which he pressured Georgia’s secretary of state to overturn the state’s election results.
Atlanta Prosecutor Appears to Move Closer to Trump Inquiry

“are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

If the hugely consequential act of lying to the public about the result of the election is not a violation of the public trust what is?

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

The left, like everything they touch, has destroyed the impeachment process. All for partisan press headlines.

 

[JoeMoma]

It the votes are there in both the house and senate, the president can be impeached and removed from office for having two scoops of ice cream.

 

[Polishprince]

It the votes are there in both the house and senate, the president can be impeached and removed from office for having two scoops of ice cream.

I forgot the libs wanted to chuck Trump out for his dining habits. thanks

 

[Polishprince]

Does impeachment require criminal behavior? In a word, “No”

"There is also evidence closer in time to the drafting of the Constitution which indicates that behavior supporting articles of impeachment—i.e., “high crimes and misdemeanors”—need not be crimes. In Federalist 65, Alexander Hamilton famously wrote that the subjects of the Senate’s impeachment jurisdiction “are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixg...hment-require-criminal-behavior-in-a-word-no/

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article230483449.html
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The act of insurrection on Jan. 6 by the Trump inspired mob has rightly garnered a huge amount of attention. Yet, there was a precursor representing its own justification for removal from office.

Atlanta Prosecutor Appears to Move Closer to Trump Inquiry

ATLANTA — Prosecutors in Georgia appear increasingly likely to open a criminal investigation of President Trump over his attempts to overturn the results of the state’s 2020 election, an inquiry into offenses that would be beyond his federal pardon power.

The new Fulton County district attorney, Fani Willis, is already weighing whether to proceed, and among the options she is considering is the hiring of a special assistant from outside to oversee the investigation, according to people familiar with her office’s deliberations.

At the same time, David Worley, the lone Democrat on Georgia’s five-member election board, said this week that he would ask the board to make a referral to the Fulton County district attorney by next month. Among the matters he will ask prosecutors to investigate is a phone call Mr. Trump made in which he pressured Georgia’s secretary of state to overturn the state’s election results.
Atlanta Prosecutor Appears to Move Closer to Trump Inquiry

“are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

If the hugely consequential act of lying to the public about the result of the election is not a violation of the public trust what is?

Then, this coming Thursday, it would be more than proper I guess, for Articles of Impeachment to be drawn up against Sleepy Joe for "fucking up the country", which isn't really a crime either?

 

[The VOR]

It the votes are there in both the house and senate, the president can be impeached and removed from office for having two scoops of ice cream.

I forgot the libs wanted to chuck Trump out for his dining habits. thanks

Well, he is a pig, but if that is why you think he was impeached, then you are an even bigger moron than I thought.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Does impeachment require criminal behavior? In a word, “No”

"There is also evidence closer in time to the drafting of the Constitution which indicates that behavior supporting articles of impeachment—i.e., “high crimes and misdemeanors”—need not be crimes. In Federalist 65, Alexander Hamilton famously wrote that the subjects of the Senate’s impeachment jurisdiction “are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixg...hment-require-criminal-behavior-in-a-word-no/

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article230483449.html
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The act of insurrection on Jan. 6 by the Trump inspired mob has rightly garnered a huge amount of attention. Yet, there was a precursor representing its own justification for removal from office.

Atlanta Prosecutor Appears to Move Closer to Trump Inquiry

ATLANTA — Prosecutors in Georgia appear increasingly likely to open a criminal investigation of President Trump over his attempts to overturn the results of the state’s 2020 election, an inquiry into offenses that would be beyond his federal pardon power.

The new Fulton County district attorney, Fani Willis, is already weighing whether to proceed, and among the options she is considering is the hiring of a special assistant from outside to oversee the investigation, according to people familiar with her office’s deliberations.

At the same time, David Worley, the lone Democrat on Georgia’s five-member election board, said this week that he would ask the board to make a referral to the Fulton County district attorney by next month. Among the matters he will ask prosecutors to investigate is a phone call Mr. Trump made in which he pressured Georgia’s secretary of state to overturn the state’s election results.
Atlanta Prosecutor Appears to Move Closer to Trump Inquiry

“are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

If the hugely consequential act of lying to the public about the result of the election is not a violation of the public trust what is?

Did the articles say this was planned for some time. They started 20 min before the speech ended. The FBI and NYC WARNING of impending disaster. The biggest ANIFTA kooky was front and center inciting. No one gave a flying fuck this Summer when Fed courthouses were in flames. Ambulances blocked.

If those are all mentioned..I say we convict the son of a bitch.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“Does impeachment and conviction require a criminal act?”

No.

Unfortunately most Americans, the consequence of their ignorance of the impeachment process, believe that to be the case.

 

[berg80]

The left, like everything they touch, has destroyed the impeachment process. All for partisan press headlines.

Not according to Trump apologist Lindsey Graham.

 

[HappyJoy]

The left, like everything they touch, has destroyed the impeachment process. All for partisan press headlines.

Somethin' got destroyed, that's for sure.

 

[berg80]

Does impeachment require criminal behavior? In a word, “No”

"There is also evidence closer in time to the drafting of the Constitution which indicates that behavior supporting articles of impeachment—i.e., “high crimes and misdemeanors”—need not be crimes. In Federalist 65, Alexander Hamilton famously wrote that the subjects of the Senate’s impeachment jurisdiction “are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixg...hment-require-criminal-behavior-in-a-word-no/

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article230483449.html
.........................................................................................................................................................................
The act of insurrection on Jan. 6 by the Trump inspired mob has rightly garnered a huge amount of attention. Yet, there was a precursor representing its own justification for removal from office.

Atlanta Prosecutor Appears to Move Closer to Trump Inquiry

ATLANTA — Prosecutors in Georgia appear increasingly likely to open a criminal investigation of President Trump over his attempts to overturn the results of the state’s 2020 election, an inquiry into offenses that would be beyond his federal pardon power.

The new Fulton County district attorney, Fani Willis, is already weighing whether to proceed, and among the options she is considering is the hiring of a special assistant from outside to oversee the investigation, according to people familiar with her office’s deliberations.

At the same time, David Worley, the lone Democrat on Georgia’s five-member election board, said this week that he would ask the board to make a referral to the Fulton County district attorney by next month. Among the matters he will ask prosecutors to investigate is a phone call Mr. Trump made in which he pressured Georgia’s secretary of state to overturn the state’s election results.
Atlanta Prosecutor Appears to Move Closer to Trump Inquiry

“are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

If the hugely consequential act of lying to the public about the result of the election is not a violation of the public trust what is?

Then, this coming Thursday, it would be more than proper I guess, for Articles of Impeachment to be drawn up against Sleepy Joe for "fucking up the country", which isn't really a crime either?

Ardent defenders of all things Don are quite exercised over his second impeachment. They've already begun to warn of Biden's impending impeachment for all manner of imaginary things he may do or say. Marjorie Taylor Greene, of QAnon cult fame, has said she will introduce articles of impeachment on Jan. 21 for alleged acts (thoroughly debunked) Biden engaged in before he became prez. But then she's nuts.

The act of insurrection on Jan. 6 by the Trump inspired mob has rightly garnered a huge amount of attention. Yet, there was a precursor representing its own justification for removal from office.

Atlanta Prosecutor Appears to Move Closer to Trump Inquiry

ATLANTA — Prosecutors in Georgia appear increasingly likely to open a criminal investigation of President Trump over his attempts to overturn the results of the state’s 2020 election, an inquiry into offenses that would be beyond his federal pardon power.

The new Fulton County district attorney, Fani Willis, is already weighing whether to proceed, and among the options she is considering is the hiring of a special assistant from outside to oversee the investigation, according to people familiar with her office’s deliberations.

At the same time, David Worley, the lone Democrat on Georgia’s five-member election board, said this week that he would ask the board to make a referral to the Fulton County district attorney by next month. Among the matters he will ask prosecutors to investigate is a phone call Mr. Trump made in which he pressured Georgia’s secretary of state to overturn the state’s election results.
Atlanta Prosecutor Appears to Move Closer to Trump Inquiry

 

[Crepitus]

Does impeachment require criminal behavior? In a word, “No”

"There is also evidence closer in time to the drafting of the Constitution which indicates that behavior supporting articles of impeachment—i.e., “high crimes and misdemeanors”—need not be crimes. In Federalist 65, Alexander Hamilton famously wrote that the subjects of the Senate’s impeachment jurisdiction “are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixg...hment-require-criminal-behavior-in-a-word-no/

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article230483449.html
.........................................................................................................................................................................
The act of insurrection on Jan. 6 by the Trump inspired mob has rightly garnered a huge amount of attention. Yet, there was a precursor representing its own justification for removal from office.

Atlanta Prosecutor Appears to Move Closer to Trump Inquiry

ATLANTA — Prosecutors in Georgia appear increasingly likely to open a criminal investigation of President Trump over his attempts to overturn the results of the state’s 2020 election, an inquiry into offenses that would be beyond his federal pardon power.

The new Fulton County district attorney, Fani Willis, is already weighing whether to proceed, and among the options she is considering is the hiring of a special assistant from outside to oversee the investigation, according to people familiar with her office’s deliberations.

At the same time, David Worley, the lone Democrat on Georgia’s five-member election board, said this week that he would ask the board to make a referral to the Fulton County district attorney by next month. Among the matters he will ask prosecutors to investigate is a phone call Mr. Trump made in which he pressured Georgia’s secretary of state to overturn the state’s election results.
Atlanta Prosecutor Appears to Move Closer to Trump Inquiry

“are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

If the hugely consequential act of lying to the public about the result of the election is not a violation of the public trust what is?

It doesn't, but one was committed anyway.

 

[berg80]

“You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role,” the politician said. “Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article230483449.html

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong.
Impeachment most certainly DOES require crimes, and at the heart of any democratic republic, that means the rule of law to allow the accused to face his accusers in a court of law, where they get to tell their side.

There is no other way to define "public trust" except by law, prosecution, testimony, and fair judgement, under the rule of law.
Anything else is subjective desires, dictatorial, and totally illegal.

 

[Rigby5]

“You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role,” the politician said. “Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article230483449.html

Nonsense.
Not once has any person been removed from their elected job in this constitutional republic without being convicted of a crime.
To do so would end this as a democratic republic and makes elections a pointless farce.

Impeachment without a criminal offense is just partisan authoritarianism, and has no place in a democratic republic.

 

[Rigby5]

Does impeachment require criminal behavior? In a word, “No”

"There is also evidence closer in time to the drafting of the Constitution which indicates that behavior supporting articles of impeachment—i.e., “high crimes and misdemeanors”—need not be crimes. In Federalist 65, Alexander Hamilton famously wrote that the subjects of the Senate’s impeachment jurisdiction “are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixg...hment-require-criminal-behavior-in-a-word-no/

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article230483449.html
.........................................................................................................................................................................
The act of insurrection on Jan. 6 by the Trump inspired mob has rightly garnered a huge amount of attention. Yet, there was a precursor representing its own justification for removal from office.

Atlanta Prosecutor Appears to Move Closer to Trump Inquiry

ATLANTA — Prosecutors in Georgia appear increasingly likely to open a criminal investigation of President Trump over his attempts to overturn the results of the state’s 2020 election, an inquiry into offenses that would be beyond his federal pardon power.

The new Fulton County district attorney, Fani Willis, is already weighing whether to proceed, and among the options she is considering is the hiring of a special assistant from outside to oversee the investigation, according to people familiar with her office’s deliberations.

At the same time, David Worley, the lone Democrat on Georgia’s five-member election board, said this week that he would ask the board to make a referral to the Fulton County district attorney by next month. Among the matters he will ask prosecutors to investigate is a phone call Mr. Trump made in which he pressured Georgia’s secretary of state to overturn the state’s election results.
Atlanta Prosecutor Appears to Move Closer to Trump Inquiry

“are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

If the hugely consequential act of lying to the public about the result of the election is not a violation of the public trust what is?

It doesn't, but one was committed anyway.

What is bizarre is to quote Alexander Hamilton, the most right wing of the wealthy elite.
No liberal or progressive could possibly agree with such authoritarianism.

 

[Montrovant]

It the votes are there in both the house and senate, the president can be impeached and removed from office for having two scoops of ice cream.

I forgot the libs wanted to chuck Trump out for his dining habits. thanks

I mean, maybe...

 

[berg80]

Impeachment most certainly DOES require crimes,

That is demonstrably incorrect.

Does impeachment require criminal behavior? In a word, “No” | Brookings

Richard Lempert writes that the argument made by the president's defense team, that an offense must be a crime in order to be impeachable, is not supported by precedent. Many actions by the president could break no law and yet be impeachable.

www.brookings.edu

 

[berg80]

Impeachment without a criminal offense is just partisan authoritarianism, and has no place in a democratic republic.

Ridiculous. Many examples of an impeachable abuse of power (like firing IG's without cause) require no criminal act.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The left, like everything they touch, has destroyed the impeachment process. All for partisan press headlines.

This is both ignorant and wrong.

The previous three presidential impeachments were presided over by a Republican-controlled Senate.

Senate Republicans destroyed the impeachment process out of an unwarranted, wrongheaded concern that to remove a president from office via the process would ‘damage’ the presidency.

Impeachment has nothing to do with ‘the left,’ it’s not about ‘headlines’; such nonsense is believed only by blind-partisan rightwing hacks upset that a Republican president was appropriately, lawfully, and constitutionally impeached.