Zone1 Does God create Calamity

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Did you look up English calamity?

No. I assumed you were referring to reformation.

 

[Zebra]

No. I assumed you were referring to reformation.

I was referring to the English students who died in a snowstorm in Germany in 1936

 

[ding]

I was referring to the English students who died in a snowstorm in Germany in 1936

Ok. Are you asking why an all powerful, good God shouldn't have allowed that to happen?

 

[Zebra]

Ok. Are you asking why an all powerful, good God shouldn't have allowed that to happen?

Yes, that, and other tragedies.
What have such things to do with free will?

 

[Woodznutz]

Anyone who takes the bible...verbatim has to much time on thier hands.

That why we "study" it.

 

[Hafar1014]

Does God Create Calamity?

Did he cause the fires of L.A. The floods of N.C? The democrat chaos of 2025?

Isaiah 45:7 states, “I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity [evil]; I am the Lord, who does all these things.”

No God created a free reality humans create calamity. Today democrat progressive humans create violence and riots

 

[Hafar1014]

Creation has its own goodness and proper perfection, but it did not spring forth complete from the hands of the Creator. The universe was created "in a state of journeying" (in statu viae) toward an ultimate perfection yet to be attained, to which God has destined it. We call "divine providence" the dispositions by which God guides his creation toward this perfection. By his providence God protects and governs all things which he has made, reaching mightily from one end of the earth to the other, and ordering all things well. For all are open and laid bare to his eyes, even those things which are yet to come into existence through the free action of creatures.

The witness of Scripture is unanimous that the solicitude of divine providence is concrete and immediate; God cares for all, from the least things to the great events of the world and its history. The sacred books powerfully affirm God's absolute sovereignty over the course of events: Our God is in the heavens; he does whatever he pleases. And so it is with Christ, who opens and no one shall shut, who shuts and no one opens. As the book of Proverbs states: "Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the LORD that will be established."

And so we see the Holy Spirit, the principal author of Sacred Scripture, often attributing actions to God without mentioning any secondary causes. This is not a "primitive mode of speech", but a profound way of recalling God's primacy and absolute Lordship over history and the world, and so of educating his people to trust in him. Jesus asks for childlike abandonment to the providence of our heavenly Father who takes care of his children's smallest needs.

God is the sovereign master of his plan. But to carry it out he also makes use of his creatures' co-operation. This use is not a sign of weakness, but rather a token of almighty God's greatness and goodness. For God grants his creatures not only their existence, but also the dignity of acting on their own, of being causes and principles for each other, and thus of co-operating in the accomplishment of his plan.

To human beings God even gives the power of freely sharing in his providence by entrusting them with the responsibility of "subduing" the earth and having dominion over it. God thus enables men to be intelligent and free causes in order to complete the work of creation, to perfect its harmony for their own good and that of their neighbors. Though often unconscious collaborators with God's will, they can also enter deliberately into the divine plan by their actions, their prayers and their sufferings. They then fully become "God's fellow workers" and co-workers for his kingdom.

The truth that God is at work in all the actions of his creatures is inseparable from faith in God the Creator. God is the first cause who operates in and through secondary causes. Far from diminishing the creature's dignity, this truth enhances it. Drawn from nothingness by God's power, wisdom and goodness, it can do nothing if it is cut off from its origin, for without a Creator the creature vanishes. Still less can a creature attain its ultimate end without the help of God's grace.

If God the Father almighty, the Creator of the ordered and good world, cares for all his creatures, why does evil exist? To this question, as pressing as it is unavoidable and as painful as it is mysterious, no quick answer will suffice. Only Christian faith as a whole constitutes the answer to this question: the goodness of creation, the drama of sin and the patient love of God who comes to meet man by his covenants, the redemptive Incarnation of his Son, his gift of the Spirit, his gathering of the Church, the power of the sacraments and his call to a blessed life to which free creatures are invited to consent in advance, but from which, by a terrible mystery, they can also turn away in advance. There is not a single aspect of the Christian message that is not in part an answer to the question of evil.

But why did God not create a world so perfect that no evil could exist in it? With infinite power God could always create something better. But with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world "in a state of journeying" towards its ultimate perfection. In God's plan this process of becoming involves the appearance of certain beings and the disappearance of others, the existence of the more perfect alongside the less perfect, both constructive and destructive forces of nature. With physical good there exists also physical evil as long as creation has not reached perfection.

For almighty God. . ., because he is supremely good, would never allow any evil whatsoever to exist in his works if he were not so all-powerful and good as to cause good to emerge from evil itself.

In time we can discover that God in his almighty providence can bring a good from the consequences of an evil, even a moral evil, caused by his creatures: "It was not you", said Joseph to his brothers, "who sent me here, but God. . . You meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive." From the greatest moral evil ever committed - the rejection and murder of God's only Son, caused by the sins of all men - God, by his grace that "abounded all the more", brought the greatest of goods: the glorification of Christ and our redemption. But for all that, evil never becomes a good.

We know that in everything God works for good for those who love him. The constant witness of the saints confirms this truth.

Paraphrased and excerpted from the Catechism of the Catholic Church

The Catholic Church supported the widespread sexual abuse of children for decades.

 

[BreezeWood]

The Catholic Church supported the widespread sexual abuse of children for decades.

for decades ...

Catholic clergy celibacy, primarily for Latin Rite priests, is a discipline of complete abstinence from marriage and sexual relations, rooted in tradition and Scripture (like Jesus' example), signifying total dedication to God and the Church, allowing for greater freedom in ministry, though historically implemented in the Middle Ages to prevent property inheritance by clergy families and seen as a spiritual "gift" for undivided service, with Eastern Catholic Churches.

as in centuries since the phony catholicism religion choose denial over heavenly pleasure and claimed jesus as an example for their deceit.

 

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Yes, that, and other tragedies.
What have such things to do with free will?

They don't. But honestly why not make the same argument for natural death.

It's been said that "the hidden things belong to God." Trying to fully rationalize tragedy can be futile and disrespectful to those who suffer. The best answer I can give is the answer Christ gave. The flesh is of no avail.

What's your answer to your question?

 

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The Catholic Church supported the widespread sexual abuse of children for decades.

Here... knock yourself out.

JOHN JAY COLLEGE REPORTS ON THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF MINORS

This page contains the introductions and executive summaries of two reports from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice research […]

dioceseofbrooklyn.org

 

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for decades ...



as in centuries since the phony catholicism religion choose denial over heavenly pleasure and claimed jesus as an example for their deceit.

Here you go.

 

[TNHarley]

Does God Create Calamity?

Did he cause the fires of L.A. The floods of N.C? The democrat chaos of 2025?

Isaiah 45:7 states, “I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity [evil]; I am the Lord, who does all these things.”

Yep. he is a humongous asshole. And psychopath.
Kills his own creation smh. What kind of superior being does that shit? I know leftist white women and black women do that all the time, but they arent gods. lol

 

[Hafar1014]

Here... knock yourself out.

JOHN JAY COLLEGE REPORTS ON THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF MINORS

This page contains the introductions and executive summaries of two reports from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice research […]

dioceseofbrooklyn.org

They did its disgrace because the defense of this came form the top. BUt you excuse it what dies that say about you

 

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They did its disgrace because the defense of this came form the top. BUt you excuse it what dies that say about you

You should read the full report. I did.

 

[ding]

Yep. he is a humongous asshole. And psychopath.
Kills his own creation smh. What kind of superior being does that shit? I know leftist white women and black women do that all the time, but they arent gods. lol

Maybe stop reading the ancient accounts of Israelites like you attend Westboro Baptist Church?

 

[TNHarley]

Maybe stop reading the ancient accounts of Israelites like you attend Westboro Baptist Church?

The NT talks about him impregnating a teenager with his son, just to have his son sacrificed to save us from him.
It doesnt matter which testament you look at...
And I like how you compare jewish ideology to westboro. You militant antisemite.

 

[ding]

The NT talks about him impregnating a teenager with his son, just to have his son sacrificed to save us from him.
It doesnt matter which testament you look at...
And I like how you compare jewish ideology to westboro. You militant antisemite.

Google is your friend.

Yes, biblical texts in the Old Testament, particularly in Deuteronomy and Joshua, describe God commanding the Israelites to utterly destroy certain peoples, like the Canaanites and Amalekites, including women, children, and livestock, which fits modern definitions of genocide, prompting significant theological debate, scholarly interpretation (ranging from literal commands to hyperbolic narrative), and ethical discussion about divine justice and human morality.

Biblical Basis for the Claim

• Canaanites: God commanded the Israelites to "utterly destroy" the inhabitants of Canaan (Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, etc.) to prevent them from leading Israel into idolatry and detestable practices, using Israel as an instrument of judgment.
• Amalekites: Similar commands for complete destruction, including all people and animals, are found in Exodus and Deuteronomy.

Interpretations and Debates

• Literal Interpretation: Some believe these were literal, morally justified commands from a perfect God for specific, grave reasons, though this is controversial.
• Figurative/Hyperbolic: Other scholars view these passages as exaggerated narratives (hyperbole) or literary devices, not literal historical or ethical blueprints, suggesting the intent was cultural separation, not mass extermination.
• Anachronism: Some argue the term "genocide" is anachronistic, as it's a modern concept, making its application to ancient texts complex.
• Theological Challenges: These passages present a significant challenge to modern understandings of a loving God, leading many to focus on New Testament teachings, while others write extensively on reconciling these difficult Old Testament texts.

In essence, the text contains commands that align with the definition of genocide, but how believers and scholars understand the nature, historicity, and morality of these commands varies widely.

 

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The NT talks about him impregnating a teenager with his son, just to have his son sacrificed to save us from him.
It doesnt matter which testament you look at...
And I like how you compare jewish ideology to westboro. You militant antisemite.

It's revealing that you are making arguments that you yourself do not believe.

 

[TNHarley]

It's revealing that you are making arguments that you yourself do not believe.

I argue the bible and the silly beliefs and rituals that come with it.
You make things up because even you dont believe it. LOL

 

[ding]

I argue the bible and the silly beliefs and rituals that come with it.

Right. You don't believe it so you make arguments like you believe it and then require everyone else to believe arguments that you don't believe. It's idiotic.