Does BO really have a long association with communism?

[Polk]

It's an "irrefutable fact" in the same sense that since I ate a bell pepper today, that must mean I'm a vegetable.

Idiots like you can define anything the way you want to. You just did that by stating that an "apple" is, in effect, a "chair". One cannot prevent idiots like you from acting like idiots. You are an irrational arsehole. You take REALITY and twist it into a pretzel thinking that you are accomplishing a non-existent goal. You are sick.

An "irrefutable fact" is a TRUTH that cannot be rationally contradicted:
like an "apple" is an "apple", and a "chair" is a "chair".....and that, for example Obami-Salaami called PSYCHO "Goddamn America" Wright (his own words):"pastor, friend, mentor".

Obami Salaami did that. Therefore, it's an IRREFUTABLE FACT.

If Pbami Salaami did not do what I stated. Then it would not be an IRREFUTABLE FACT.

Geddit ????? Idiot ?????


Obami Salaami spent TWENTY FUCKING YEARS in the Cathedral of Hate run by this Black Racist Whackjob ..... and ALL the other items mentioned in my post are of the same order: IRREFUTABLE FACTS, you dumb Obamarrhoidal Piece of Shit.

Geddit ???? Idiot ????

Of course, NOT.

YOU, like the other Obamarrhoidal LibTURDS are not only brainwashed political idiots.......you are fucking delusional.

You do realize jumping up and down shouting "it's a fact" doesn't make the thing you're shouting a fact, right?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The brilliance of the Founding Fathers was that they recognized an unprecedented opportunity, the chance to create a country of individual liberty for the first time in history. Our current admin is fixated on the collective.

Indeed. They created a nation build on individual liberty*.






* Unless you were black, Native American, or a woman.

You're little star indicates practices that occurred worldwide during that period of time. Certainly wrong and definitely rectified as we grew.

We had just defeated the most powerful military machine the world had ever seen with a consortium of continental conscripts that had no experience in warfare, ragtag militias, and frontiersmen. Our founders knew that slavery had to be dealt with but balancing the birth of a fragile nation was foremost. We simply would not have survived a second internal war.

 

[Sallow]

It's an "irrefutable fact" in the same sense that since I ate a bell pepper today, that must mean I'm a vegetable.

Idiots like you can define anything the way you want to. You just did that by stating that an "apple" is, in effect, a "chair". One cannot prevent idiots like you from acting like idiots. You are an irrational arsehole. You take REALITY and twist it into a pretzel thinking that you are accomplishing a non-existent goal. You are sick.

An "irrefutable fact" is a TRUTH that cannot be rationally contradicted:
like an "apple" is an "apple", and a "chair" is a "chair".....and that, for example Obami-Salaami called PSYCHO "Goddamn America" Wright (his own words):"pastor, friend, mentor".

Obami Salaami did that. Therefore, it's an IRREFUTABLE FACT.

If Pbami Salaami did not do what I stated. Then it would not be an IRREFUTABLE FACT.

Geddit ????? Idiot ?????


Obami Salaami spent TWENTY FUCKING YEARS in the Cathedral of Hate run by this Black Racist Whackjob ..... and ALL the other items mentioned in my post are of the same order: IRREFUTABLE FACTS, you dumb Obamarrhoidal Piece of Shit.

Geddit ???? Idiot ????

Of course, NOT.

YOU, like the other Obamarrhoidal LibTURDS are not only brainwashed political idiots.......you are fucking delusional.

You and "irrefutable fact" have never made an acquaintance.

Here's another "irrefutable fact". Most of the founders were lawyers. President Obama was a lawyer. Is President Obama now a founder?

 

[Sallow]

The brilliance of the Founding Fathers was that they recognized an unprecedented opportunity, the chance to create a country of individual liberty for the first time in history. Our current admin is fixated on the collective.

Indeed. They created a nation build on individual liberty*.






* Unless you were black, Native American, or a woman.

You're little star indicates practices that occurred worldwide during that period of time. Certainly wrong and definitely rectified as we grew.

We had just defeated the most powerful military machine the world had ever seen with a consortium of continental conscripts that had no experience in warfare, ragtag militias, and frontiersmen. Our founders knew that slavery had to be dealt with but balancing the birth of a fragile nation was foremost. We simply would not have survived a second internal war.

*With the help of the French..another big power at the time..

 

[Polk]

The brilliance of the Founding Fathers was that they recognized an unprecedented opportunity, the chance to create a country of individual liberty for the first time in history. Our current admin is fixated on the collective.

Indeed. They created a nation build on individual liberty*.






* Unless you were black, Native American, or a woman.

You're little star indicates practices that occurred worldwide during that period of time. Certainly wrong and definitely rectified as we grew.

We had just defeated the most powerful military machine the world had ever seen with a consortium of continental conscripts that had no experience in warfare, ragtag militias, and frontiersmen. Our founders knew that slavery had to be dealt with but balancing the birth of a fragile nation was foremost. We simply would not have survived a second internal war.

Sure, but there really isn't a reasonable basis for claiming we were unique among the nations in being "a country of individual liberty". Just to use the most obvious example, the traditions of liberty were just as strong in Britain.

 

[Polk]

Indeed. They created a nation build on individual liberty*.






* Unless you were black, Native American, or a woman.

You're little star indicates practices that occurred worldwide during that period of time. Certainly wrong and definitely rectified as we grew.

We had just defeated the most powerful military machine the world had ever seen with a consortium of continental conscripts that had no experience in warfare, ragtag militias, and frontiersmen. Our founders knew that slavery had to be dealt with but balancing the birth of a fragile nation was foremost. We simply would not have survived a second internal war.

*With the help of the French..another big power at the time..

My high school history teacher (who was a staunch conservative) liked to say that saying the Americans winning the revolution with a little help from the French was like saying you won a 2-to-2 basketball game with a little help from Shaq.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

It's an "irrefutable fact" in the same sense that since I ate a bell pepper today, that must mean I'm a vegetable.

WRONG!

It would mean you're a cannibal!

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Indeed. They created a nation build on individual liberty*.






* Unless you were black, Native American, or a woman.

You're little star indicates practices that occurred worldwide during that period of time. Certainly wrong and definitely rectified as we grew.

We had just defeated the most powerful military machine the world had ever seen with a consortium of continental conscripts that had no experience in warfare, ragtag militias, and frontiersmen. Our founders knew that slavery had to be dealt with but balancing the birth of a fragile nation was foremost. We simply would not have survived a second internal war.

Sure, but there really isn't a reasonable basis for claiming we were unique among the nations in being "a country of individual liberty". Just to use the most obvious example, the traditions of liberty were just as strong in Britain.

Britain wasn't even close as far as liberties that the founders were aspiring to.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Indeed. They created a nation build on individual liberty*.






* Unless you were black, Native American, or a woman.

You're little star indicates practices that occurred worldwide during that period of time. Certainly wrong and definitely rectified as we grew.

We had just defeated the most powerful military machine the world had ever seen with a consortium of continental conscripts that had no experience in warfare, ragtag militias, and frontiersmen. Our founders knew that slavery had to be dealt with but balancing the birth of a fragile nation was foremost. We simply would not have survived a second internal war.

*With the help of the French..another big power at the time..

Yeah, but nowhere near as powerful as the British empire.

 

[Brutus]

"Wall Street executives who in 2008 caused the worst economic meltdown since the Great Depression."


Brutus: Actually a child would know that liberal regulation caused the housing crisis:

Stamford University Professor John Taylor unequivocally claimed that had the Federal Reserve from 2003 -2005 kept short term interest rates at the level implied by his "Taylor Rule" " it would have prevented this housing boom and bust." This notion has been cited and repeated so often that it has taken on the aura of conventional wisdom.

By JOHN B. TAYLOR
Many are calling for a 9/11-type commission to investigate the financial crisis. Any such investigation should not rule out government itself as a major culprit. My research shows that government actions and interventions -- not any inherent failure or instability of the private economy -- caused, prolonged and dramatically worsened the crisis.

"First consider the once controversial view that the crisis was largely caused by the Fed's holding interest rates too low for too long after the 2001 recession. This view is now so widely held that the editorial pages of both the NY Times and the Wall Street Journal agree on its validity!"...John B. Taylor( arch conservative, author of the Taylor Rule)

PLEASE REFRESH YOURSELF WITH OUR COPYRIGHT RULES OF THIS BOARD.... please provide a link....Care4all

 

[Brutus]

Richard H: Your attitude toward President Obama fails to take into account two basic principles:

1. There is no such thing as guilt by association. If the President has been friends with socialists/ Marxists, it does not mean that he is a socialist/Marxist. I'm very good friends with many 'free market' dosciples, yet I am not one. The only thing that Obama's friendships indicate is that he is a well educated and open minded person.

Brutus: BO not only associated with communists all his life but he appointed communists to his administration, had a communist mother and father, voted to the left of Bernie Sanders in the Senate, and is for single payer. Do you get it now?

Richard H: 2. In the preamble to the Constitution it states 'The General Welfare' as a basic reason for the existance of the Federal government. It seems that anything the Government does for the general welfare is deemed by you wingnuts as 'socialist. In fact the Constitution does neither prohibits socilaism nor does it proscribe capitalism.

Brutus: 1) Way to stupid. Founders assumed capitalism because they were nothing but capitalists (having accepted their reality plus Hume, Smith, and De Tracy) and they certainly did not institute any form of socialism when they governed under the Constitution they wrote. What does that tell you?


Brutus: 2) General Welfare Clause. Again way to stupid or should I say, liberal?

They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose. To consider the latter phrase not as describing the purpose of the first, but as giving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please...Certainly no such universal power was meant to be given them. It was intended to lace them up straightly within the enumerated powers and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect.- Madison

"With respect to the two words 'general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." --James Madison




Richard H: Additionally, you fail to differentiate between the various political philosophies. Apparently you roll all ideas that you don't like into one category: Marxist/leninist. There are huge differnces in the various liberal/leftist/socialist/marxist/lenonist/stalinist philosophies.
Some of these are, by any reasonable standard, repugnant (lenonism/maoism & stalinism), but it is extremely doubtful that the President ascribes to these. Liberalism & democratic-socialism are completely different. Mensheviks were enemys of bolsheviks - try reading uup on it on wikipedia.

Brutus: Once again, way way too stupid!! Jefferson gave us freedom and liberty from all forms of statist government. The statists may be enemies of each other, like the King of England and the King of France, but they are still statists from whom Jefferson and Madison gave us freedom and liberty. Welcome to your first lesson in American History.

Richard H: You seem to be a victim of cold-war brainwashing.

Brutus: I assume you understand now?
__________________

 

[bucs90]

All you redneck, rich, corporatist imperialist Republican FoxNews watching pawns of the Koch Brothers and uneducated fools are just racist for suggesting Obama is a Marxist, Socialist or Communist.............................despite the overwhelming evidence.

 

[Brutus]

Bucs90: despite the overwhelming evidence.

Brutus: notice how the liberal alludes to overwhelming evidence but is able to provide none.

Also, what have you got against Fox or Founders news given that they agree with the Founders while liberals hate what the Founders and America stand for.

 

[jillian]

Bucs90: despite the overwhelming evidence.

Brutus: notice how the liberal alludes to overwhelming evidence but is able to provide none.

Also, what have you got against Fox or Founders news given that they agree with the Founders while liberals hate what the Founders and America stand for.

i think normal people object to those things because they let people like you think what you just said is true.

 

[Agit8r]

Bucs90: despite the overwhelming evidence.

Brutus: notice how the liberal alludes to overwhelming evidence but is able to provide none.

Also, what have you got against Fox or Founders news given that they agree with the Founders while liberals hate what the Founders and America stand for.

So liberals hate due process? The Rule Against Perpetuities? The wall of separation between church and state?

oh, wait! those are all things that conservatives have worked against over the last quarter century

 

[Sheldon]

You're little star indicates practices that occurred worldwide during that period of time. Certainly wrong and definitely rectified as we grew.

We had just defeated the most powerful military machine the world had ever seen with a consortium of continental conscripts that had no experience in warfare, ragtag militias, and frontiersmen. Our founders knew that slavery had to be dealt with but balancing the birth of a fragile nation was foremost. We simply would not have survived a second internal war.

Sure, but there really isn't a reasonable basis for claiming we were unique among the nations in being "a country of individual liberty". Just to use the most obvious example, the traditions of liberty were just as strong in Britain.

Britain wasn't even close as far as liberties that the founders were aspiring to.

Heh.

John Locke. Magna Carta. Habeas Corpus Act of 16something. Thomas Hobbes.



Just off the top of my head.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Sure, but there really isn't a reasonable basis for claiming we were unique among the nations in being "a country of individual liberty". Just to use the most obvious example, the traditions of liberty were just as strong in Britain.

Britain wasn't even close as far as liberties that the founders were aspiring to.

Heh.

John Locke. Magna Carta. Habeas Corpus Act of 16something. Thomas Hobbes.



Just off the top of my head.

Still disagree but a nice listing, especially Locke.

 

[Dr Grump]

Obama said, in his biography, he gravitated to Marxist professors in college, he had a Marxist preacher best friend for 20 years, said in his auto biography that when he worked on Wall Street he felt as if "he had parachuted behind enemy lines", was more liberal in the Senate the Bernie Sanders( an open socialist) and now, despite 200 years of gov't growth, his deficits will be bigger than all other American presidents combined, and, he also wants perhaps absolute control over health care (already mostly controlled by gov't), banking, and the auto industry.

Through Frank Marshall Davis,( Communist Party number: 47544) Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."


Bernie Saunders is a Democrat and an open socialist. Obama is to the left of Saunders based on his voting record in the Senate. Oleg Klugian (head of KGB in cold war) said that when he wanted to recruit spies he looked among the liberals. When FDR's liberals went to the USSR they came back on a ship named the "Leviathan" to report, "they had seen the future and it worked."

Then of course he appointed at least 4 communists: Mark Lloyd (supporter of communist revolution in Venezuela) and Van Jones who said "give them the wealth, give them the wealth," and Annita Dunn who said, "Mao is my favorite philosopher" , and Bloom who said, "free markets are nonsense."

Obama: the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties....... it doesn’t say what the federal government [our genius founders forgot?] or the state government must do on your behalf.

I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive [Marxist] change.

Obama: "I think we can say that the Constitution reflected an enormous blind spot in this culture that carries on until this day, and that the Framers had that same blind spot."

Obama: the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties....... it doesn't say what the federal government [our genius founders forgot?] or the state government must do on your behalf.

In an article titled "The Impossible is Now Possible: Assessing the Obama Presidency," executive vice chair of the Communist Party United States, Jarvis Tyner hailed the President's "drive to the left." "The health care bill, the stimulus package, the cap-and-trade bill, the elimination of secret elections for union representation-it's a program we dared not dream possible only a year ago," Tyner wrote. "But now it's on the verge of becoming the new blueprint for a truly socialist America."

A quick visit to the CPUSA website yields:

"In some ways last night's State of the Union address by President Obama was a virtuoso performance. There were stirring moments, memorable turns of phrase, humor, a defense of activist government, and proposals that will be welcomed, and surely help, millions of people in need." Obama State of the Union: He got the ball rolling » cpusa


And, if all that is not enough BO wrote a book called " Dreams From my Father". His father was a drunken suicidal Marxist who dreamed to free the world from American imperialism.

And lets not forget that he is openly for single payer socialist health care!!

To answer the OP. No.

 

[Agit8r]

Britain wasn't even close as far as liberties that the founders were aspiring to.

Heh.

John Locke. Magna Carta. Habeas Corpus Act of 16something. Thomas Hobbes.



Just off the top of my head.

Still disagree but a nice listing, especially Locke.

Yeah, Locke was THE MAN!

 

[Sheldon]

Britain wasn't even close as far as liberties that the founders were aspiring to.

Heh.

John Locke. Magna Carta. Habeas Corpus Act of 16something. Thomas Hobbes.



Just off the top of my head.

Still disagree but a nice listing, especially Locke.

You're free to disagree, that's fine. I'll keep listing documented history.

The English Bill of Rights. That was passed in 1689.

The Slave Trade Act. The Slavery Abolition Act. Both of the acts of Parliament happened like half a century before we got our shit together on that front.