the cycles were already in place in his day also.
slaves
who's talking about slaves??????????? you were not!!!!
And welfare doesn't end by cutting off the supply from govt.
when Clinton ended welfare by requiring work 60% just disappeared. Sorry!!
How's that for an intelligent liberal?
I asked why not train them to be Doctors train conductors or restaurant workers????????????? as opposed to landlords of all odd things!!!
1. nothing wrong with requiring work
I am just saying it is not enough to solve the whole problem!
just like requiring people to take a drug test before qualifying for govt benefits
(which I think just makes sense!) is still not enough to solve the problem
of why people are addicted to drugs and what it will take to get them off drugs.
Ed I thought you would understand this.
Just like Obama REQUIRING everyone pay for insurance isn't
solving the problems of people running up the costs of health care
either on the consumer side of bad habits or on the industry side of
insurance and pharmaceutical companies making profit without actually curing diseases.
2. and Edward there is a BIG difference between people learning to manage
property as a business owner/investor and just working for a company!! HUGE!!!!
The best way I heard it explained is that EVERY business
is a real estate deal, where you have to be making more money
than the cost of the property including taxes and maintenance.
So you would have to learn the business and tax laws to know how
to set up a property (whether it's commercial or real estate, etc.)
where you either make money off the deal at all times, and never lose money.
psychologically Ed, there is a big difference between people who own and manage
their own rental properties and other people who either rent, or just own houses
to live in where they lose money on the deal paying taxes and not writing off
depreciation because it is personal property as opposed to a business investment expense.
If you read the books like "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" and "Conspiracy of the Rich"
there is a whole difference in mentality between classes of people based on
property ownership and experience in this kind of business.
Even the Economist Hernando de Soto has pushed for reform to stop
the political disparity with migrant workers by HAVING THEM INVEST IN OWNING THE LAND where they work, which makes all the difference in the world.
as long as people are migrant, and depend on other people to rent from or work for,
they will not be "as equal" as people who own property and businesses and have standing in that way.
Our laws say that people are supposed to be equal,
but tenants are not equal to landlords,
workers and not equal to the company owners and managements, etc.
teachers and students are not equal to the school boards and administration.
It all boils down to who owns the property and has final say over the policies
on that site. People need to learn this. By either setting up your own school,
business, church or even incorporating a municipality, it makes a difference in
how much power you have in representing and defending your interests.
Gee whiz, Ed, I feel like the conservative lecturing a liberal!
Are you sure we are having this conversation?
You remind me of why people complain that liberals think govt legislation is going to fix everything, if you think Clinton's polices requiring work are enough to fix the problem.
I AGREE TOTALLY that people should not be punished but REWARDED for working,
I'm just saying that's not enough to fix everything and we need to do a lot more.
Changing the legislation is not enough. but it does push the burden onto the private sector which should take responsibility for education and services to make sure people are trained to work as productive citizens.
for people who commit crimes or abuses, I would go so far as to require that they work to pay the cost of the damages and debts incurred so this does not burden law-abiding taxpayers. And again, just passing ordinances or signing agreements is not enough to make that work; there needs to be access and assistance to programs that would help people both to correct the causes of their abusive, criminal or addicted behavior and to work to pay back restitution to victims and society affected by their crimes.
Ed for people who commit rape, robber or murder, where the damages could be assessed in the millions, the only way I see how an average joe could make millions in 5-10 years to pay back the victims of their crimes, frauds or corporate abuses is by working in teams to set up, manage and rent enough properties to make that much. So whether you teach people to retire as millionaires in 5 years for their own personal benefit financially or so people don't become a burden on the welfare tax rolls, or people who commit crimes and owe millions of dollars they don't have because they already spent the money;
the real estate models I have looked at make this possible, to make that much money in a relatively short period of time, whereas just working at a regular business does not.
I understand the problem with this idea is the people who KNOW how to manage real estate to make millions are NOT the ones committing crimes and filling up the prisons.
So that is why it would take working in teams, and having nonprofits or schools that DO work with people recovering from the cycles of poverty and crime, to have the volunteers
start learning how to pool resources together to invest in, finance and manage property,
and eventually over time teach the people they are mentoring and helping to learn also.
That is one area of educational outreach and economic reform I am promoting.
Besides financial/credit/property management training (onsite with real houses
and businesses so people of ALL class level can access this knowledge and experience)
the other areas are spiritual healing for reforming the criminal justice, mental health and prison systems, and legal mediation and conflict resolution for restorative justice which would change how we use our political, democratic and court system to redress grievances and invest in restitution instead of wasting resources in adversarial conflict.
Sorry if this goes over your head Ed.
I think I lost you over not clarifying the difference between
learning how to invest in real estate where you understand all
business transactions from rentals to business, government, etc.
as an issue of s
"sustainable income" that covers all costs so there is only
increased profit to invest in growing more wealth vs. "profit and loss"
where you are doing good just to make more than you spend. Huge difference.
If we can get past that, we will have made some progress here!
Thanks, Ed
Still find it terribly ironic that if you are the conservative complaining about
liberals not understanding capitalism, then why am I the one explaining to you
the whole issue of class mentality based on business/property owners vs. workers/renters.
That is true irony.
I hope you see the humor in that!
