Does a business that advertises itself as a gun free zone deserve to be attacked?

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Think about it. If you're a criminal looking for a place to rob, or a terrorist looking for a "soft" target, who do you think they're going to go after? A gun free sign is just asking for trouble. Isn't it?

Zero ‘thought’ went into creating this ridiculous thread.

 

[2aguy]

Think about it. If you're a criminal looking for a place to rob, or a terrorist looking for a "soft" target, who do you think they're going to go after? A gun free sign is just asking for trouble. Isn't it?

Criminals don't give a shit about "gun free zones".
Perhaps a better idea would be "myth free zones".

actually, they do......they are rational to the point they want to survive and studies show they select victims based on how easy they think it will be to attack and succeed......mass shooters the same thing....those mass shooters who chose their target without regard to a past connection picked gun free targets.....and those who chose schools...the schools were already legally made gun free zones...so they didn't have to consider that in their equation.

"Studies" huh?

Don't suppose these "studies" would have what we call "links", would they?

Here you go.....the effects of concealed carry laws on mass public shootings...

Multiple Victim Public Shootings by John R. Lott, William M. Landes :: SSRN

 

[Timmy]

******* dumb shits.

The idea behind businesses not permitting guns on their property is to prevent chicken shits like you from ACCIDENTALLY OFFING SOMEONE or from TRYING TO PLAY SUPER HERO if someone does attempt to rob the joint. Your help is not wanted.

Assholes who are determined to shoot up a place don't give a **** if there are armed people inside or not. They are SUICIDAL or otherwise DERANGED and are not concerned with consequences..

Sure they are concerned about the consequences. They want to make sure they are dead as a door nail so they don't have to suffer imprisonment. That's why they pick gun free places; so nobody will injure them enough so they can't commit suicide.

Who says they pick gun free zones? That's just what the gun nuts say. Has anyone ever confessed to that ?

No, it just happens to be a coincidence that most all of the mass shootings happen in gun free zones.

We'll most of these mass shootings involve schools . It became a thing . I don't see why you consider the gun free part as the base fir the target. It's usually some disgruntled student out for revenge .

 

[2aguy]

I don't think I've ever seen a "gun free zone " sign ?

I live in Illinois....I see them all the time...Jewel....the local food store chain and the Local movie theater chain have them.......

 

[Timmy]

I live in Mass . We have pretty tough gun laws . Guess places don't feel it's really needed .

 

[2aguy]

******* dumb shits.

The idea behind businesses not permitting guns on their property is to prevent chicken shits like you from ACCIDENTALLY OFFING SOMEONE or from TRYING TO PLAY SUPER HERO if someone does attempt to rob the joint. Your help is not wanted.

Assholes who are determined to shoot up a place don't give a **** if there are armed people inside or not. They are SUICIDAL or otherwise DERANGED and are not concerned with consequences..

Sure they are concerned about the consequences. They want to make sure they are dead as a door nail so they don't have to suffer imprisonment. That's why they pick gun free places; so nobody will injure them enough so they can't commit suicide.

Who says they pick gun free zones? That's just what the gun nuts say. Has anyone ever confessed to that ?

No, it just happens to be a coincidence that most all of the mass shootings happen in gun free zones.

We'll most of these mass shootings involve schools . It became a thing . I don't see why you consider the gun free part as the base fir the target. It's usually some disgruntled student out for revenge .

First.....schools are automatically gun free zones by law...so the shooter doesn't even have to factor that into his decision making process....

Second...of the mass shooters who either survived or those who left journals or social media...they specifically said that they chose locations that were gun free...

the Santa Barbara shooter wanted to shoot up an out door street fair....but was concerned about armed police stopping him...so he chose a sorority where he believed they would be unarmed...

the colorado theater shooter...wanted to shoot up an airport....but in his notes he wrote that there would be too much armed security...

A kid in Minnesota...he planned on starting fires in a local field to draw armed police away from the school, and then he planned on murdering the only person on the school grounds carrying a gun, the police resource officer...

The Sandy Hook killer....he also attended the middle school and the high school, but only Sandy Hook was unprotected by an armed resource officer.....

the guy who murdered the Canadian soldier and attacked their parliament....ridiculed their gun free zones before the attack....

 

[2aguy]

I live in Mass . We have pretty tough gun laws . Guess places don't feel it's really needed .

Paris didn't need it either...then things changed........

 

[2aguy]

******* dumb shits.

The idea behind businesses not permitting guns on their property is to prevent chicken shits like you from ACCIDENTALLY OFFING SOMEONE or from TRYING TO PLAY SUPER HERO if someone does attempt to rob the joint. Your help is not wanted.

Assholes who are determined to shoot up a place don't give a **** if there are armed people inside or not. They are SUICIDAL or otherwise DERANGED and are not concerned with consequences..

Sure they are concerned about the consequences. They want to make sure they are dead as a door nail so they don't have to suffer imprisonment. That's why they pick gun free places; so nobody will injure them enough so they can't commit suicide.

Who says they pick gun free zones? That's just what the gun nuts say. Has anyone ever confessed to that ?

No, it just happens to be a coincidence that most all of the mass shootings happen in gun free zones.

We'll most of these mass shootings involve schools . It became a thing . I don't see why you consider the gun free part as the base fir the target. It's usually some disgruntled student out for revenge .

Here you go...the links....

Minnesota…...

Teen made bombs, stockpiled guns in prep for Minnesota school massacre: police

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Vince Vaughn is right about guns (and was brave to be so honest) | Fox News

Last June, Elliot Rodger, who killed six people in Santa Barbara, Calif., explained his own choice. In his 141-page “Manifesto,” Rodger turned down alternate targets because he worried that someone with a gun would cut short his killing spree.

That same month, Justin Bourque shot to death three people in Canada. His Facebook page made fun of gun bans, with pictures of defenseless victims explaining to killers that they weren’t allowed to have guns.

The diary of the Aurora, Colorado, “Batman” movie theater killer, James Holmes, was finally released this past week. It was clear that he was considering both attacking an airport and a movie theater, but he turned down the airport option because he was concerned about their “substantial security.”

Of course, there are numerous other examples such as the Columbine killersopposing the concealed carry law that was then working its way through the state legislature. The bill would have allowed people to carry permitted concealed handguns on school property. The killers timed their attack for the very day that final passage of the law was planned for in the legislature.

If you go to the link for the Colorado theater shooter they have a photo of his journal where he has notes about airports…..he lists one of the items…."Substantial Security"

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/james-holmes-notebook-dragged.pdf
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Sandy hook, did not have police resource officer

Building a safer Sandy Hook | News21: Gun Wars

The high school and middle school, which already had armed resource officers, doubled down on security and restricted all visitors that didn’t have prior permission to enter.

Lupica: Lanza plotted massacre for years

They don’t believe this was just a spreadsheet. They believe it was a score sheet,” he continued. “This was the work of a video gamer, and that it was his intent to put his own name at the very top of that list. They believe that he picked an elementary school because he felt it was a point of least resistance, where he could rack up the greatest number of kills. That’s what (the Connecticut police) believe.”
The man paused and said, “They believe that (Lanza) believed that it was the way to pick up the easiest points. It’s why he didn’t want to be killed by law enforcement. In the code of a gamer, even a deranged gamer like this little bastard, if somebody else kills you, they get your points. They believe that’s why he killed himself.

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It really was like he was lost in one of his own sick games. That’s what we heard. That he learned something from his game that you learn in (police) school, about how if you’re moving from room to room — the way he was in that school — you have to reload before you get to the next room. Maybe he has a 30-round magazine clip, and he’s only used half of it. But he’s willing to dump 15 rounds and have a new clip before he arrives in the next room.”
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[Little-Acorn]

Does a business that advertises itself as a gun free zone deserve to be attacked?


Of course not.

On the other hand....

If a business advertises itself as a "Gun Free Zone" and puts up signs forbidding customers from bringing guns inside...

...and some whacko barges in, holds up the customers, and then shoots one....

..should that customer (or his next of kin) sue the business for depriving the customer of his right to defend himself and then failing to protect the unarmed customer, resulting in his injury or death?

Obviously the person most at fault is the whacko who pulled the trigger.

But does the business deserve at least some liability for what happened?

If a business forbids customers the right to carry the means to defend themselves, is the business then responsible for defending them instead?

No that is absolutely idiotic. Are you mentally challenged?

TRANSLATION: I can't refute what you said, or even come up with a coherent answer. But I hate it anyway, so I'll call it names, call you names, and try to insult and denigrate you without any evidence or backup, and hope I can fool someone into believing me somewhere.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I live in Mass . We have pretty tough gun laws . Guess places don't feel it's really needed .

Paris didn't need it either...then things changed........

Parisians aren't unhinged chicken shits. They won't loosen their gun laws.

 

[2aguy]

I live in Mass . We have pretty tough gun laws . Guess places don't feel it's really needed .

Paris didn't need it either...then things changed........

Parisians aren't unhinged chicken shits. They won't loosen their gun laws.

No...they are dead chicken shits.........

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Does a business that advertises itself as a gun free zone deserve to be attacked?

In the sense that they invite attack by those prone to attack the defenseless... OKA: Leftists

 

[Pogo]

******* dumb shits.

The idea behind businesses not permitting guns on their property is to prevent chicken shits like you from ACCIDENTALLY OFFING SOMEONE or from TRYING TO PLAY SUPER HERO if someone does attempt to rob the joint. Your help is not wanted.

Assholes who are determined to shoot up a place don't give a **** if there are armed people inside or not. They are SUICIDAL or otherwise DERANGED and are not concerned with consequences..

Sure they are concerned about the consequences. They want to make sure they are dead as a door nail so they don't have to suffer imprisonment. That's why they pick gun free places; so nobody will injure them enough so they can't commit suicide.

Who says they pick gun free zones? That's just what the gun nuts say. Has anyone ever confessed to that ?

No, it just happens to be a coincidence that most all of the mass shootings happen in gun free zones.

Nope. That's a myth. Debunked here...
And here....
And here....
And here...
And here.

That's just page one of search results...

 

[Pogo]

Think about it. If you're a criminal looking for a place to rob, or a terrorist looking for a "soft" target, who do you think they're going to go after? A gun free sign is just asking for trouble. Isn't it?

Criminals don't give a shit about "gun free zones".
Perhaps a better idea would be "myth free zones".

actually, they do......they are rational to the point they want to survive and studies show they select victims based on how easy they think it will be to attack and succeed......mass shooters the same thing....those mass shooters who chose their target without regard to a past connection picked gun free targets.....and those who chose schools...the schools were already legally made gun free zones...so they didn't have to consider that in their equation.

"Studies" huh?

Don't suppose these "studies" would have what we call "links", would they?

Here you go.....the effects of concealed carry laws on mass public shootings...

Multiple Victim Public Shootings by John R. Lott, William M. Landes :: SSRN

That's not even related to the point.

 

[2aguy]

******* dumb shits.

The idea behind businesses not permitting guns on their property is to prevent chicken shits like you from ACCIDENTALLY OFFING SOMEONE or from TRYING TO PLAY SUPER HERO if someone does attempt to rob the joint. Your help is not wanted.

Assholes who are determined to shoot up a place don't give a **** if there are armed people inside or not. They are SUICIDAL or otherwise DERANGED and are not concerned with consequences..

Sure they are concerned about the consequences. They want to make sure they are dead as a door nail so they don't have to suffer imprisonment. That's why they pick gun free places; so nobody will injure them enough so they can't commit suicide.

Who says they pick gun free zones? That's just what the gun nuts say. Has anyone ever confessed to that ?

No, it just happens to be a coincidence that most all of the mass shootings happen in gun free zones.

Nope. That's a myth. Debunked here...
And here....
And here....
And here...
And here.

That's just page one of search results...

Last I heard Mark Kelly was a retired astronaut...not a trained researcher....

and armedwithreason is wrong.......what they hide is the fact that most places where people have a connection...a school, a church or a job....are already legally mandated gun free zones...so it doesn't enter into their equation....

Of course...one would have to look at actual mass shooters...who did not attack places where they had an emotional attachment...and see what they said as to why they chose the target...and in each of those cases..they chose targets that were gun free zones...including the Sandy Hook shooter....

 

[2aguy]

******* dumb shits.

The idea behind businesses not permitting guns on their property is to prevent chicken shits like you from ACCIDENTALLY OFFING SOMEONE or from TRYING TO PLAY SUPER HERO if someone does attempt to rob the joint. Your help is not wanted.

Assholes who are determined to shoot up a place don't give a **** if there are armed people inside or not. They are SUICIDAL or otherwise DERANGED and are not concerned with consequences..

Sure they are concerned about the consequences. They want to make sure they are dead as a door nail so they don't have to suffer imprisonment. That's why they pick gun free places; so nobody will injure them enough so they can't commit suicide.

Who says they pick gun free zones? That's just what the gun nuts say. Has anyone ever confessed to that ?

No, it just happens to be a coincidence that most all of the mass shootings happen in gun free zones.

Nope. That's a myth. Debunked here...
And here....
And here....
And here...
And here.

That's just page one of search results...

The good guy with a gun is not a myth.....again, the anti gunners create a situation where most normal gun owners can't bring their guns to the likeliest sites for a mass shooter to rampage....gun free zones....

So the anti gunners create gun free zones....then the good guys, who obey those laws, leave their guns at home or in their car.....and when the killer brings his gun into the gun free zone, the good guy is disarmed......

Then of course where you have armed good guys facing mass shooters...lives are saved....

Wrong again gun grabber...

 

[2aguy]

******* dumb shits.

The idea behind businesses not permitting guns on their property is to prevent chicken shits like you from ACCIDENTALLY OFFING SOMEONE or from TRYING TO PLAY SUPER HERO if someone does attempt to rob the joint. Your help is not wanted.

Assholes who are determined to shoot up a place don't give a **** if there are armed people inside or not. They are SUICIDAL or otherwise DERANGED and are not concerned with consequences..

Sure they are concerned about the consequences. They want to make sure they are dead as a door nail so they don't have to suffer imprisonment. That's why they pick gun free places; so nobody will injure them enough so they can't commit suicide.

Who says they pick gun free zones? That's just what the gun nuts say. Has anyone ever confessed to that ?

No, it just happens to be a coincidence that most all of the mass shootings happen in gun free zones.

Nope. That's a myth. Debunked here...
And here....
And here....
And here...
And here.

That's just page one of search results...

And here you have good guys with guns saving lives in mass shootings...

Some details to help you make your guess....

Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston church shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 9 dead)

vs.

Deputies Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense ( 0 dead)

6 Shot At New Life Church Gunman 2 Churchgoers Dead - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

Remember This SC Concealed Carrier Stops Mass Shooting During Church Service. No Casualties. ( 0 dead)
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No guns: 15 dead

Sikh temple ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston ( 9 dead)


Parishioners with guns: 2 dead

Osceola ( 0 dead )

New life ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

South Carolina shotgun guy ( 0 dead)


Temple massacre has some Sikhs mulling gun ownership

The president of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin had only a butter knife on hand, which he used to fight the gunman. He was killed, but his heroic actions were credited for slowing the shooter. Guns were not allowed in the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin.

“No guns [were] allowed in the temple,” Kulbir Singh, an attendee of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, told FoxNews.com. “Everyone knows that it’s not allowed, anywhere in the temple.”

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

******* dumb shits.

The idea behind businesses not permitting guns on their property is to prevent chicken shits like you from ACCIDENTALLY OFFING SOMEONE or from TRYING TO PLAY SUPER HERO if someone does attempt to rob the joint. Your help is not wanted.

Assholes who are determined to shoot up a place don't give a **** if there are armed people inside or not. They are SUICIDAL or otherwise DERANGED and are not concerned with consequences..

Sure they are concerned about the consequences. They want to make sure they are dead as a door nail so they don't have to suffer imprisonment. That's why they pick gun free places; so nobody will injure them enough so they can't commit suicide.

Who says they pick gun free zones? That's just what the gun nuts say. Has anyone ever confessed to that ?

No, it just happens to be a coincidence that most all of the mass shootings happen in gun free zones.

Nope. That's a myth. Debunked here...
And here....
And here....
And here...
And here.

That's just page one of search results...

Oh please, Mother Jones as your source? After all, three of your five posts (two of them are the same) all pointed to Mother Jones, and the other was a CNN opinion piece.

Here, try some real news sources:

The Facts about Mass Shootings | National Review Online

KEN BLACKWELL: Ban gun-free zones - Washington Times

Report: 92 Percent of Mass Shootings Since 2009 Occurred in Gun-Free Zones - Breitbart

 

[2aguy]

******* dumb shits.

The idea behind businesses not permitting guns on their property is to prevent chicken shits like you from ACCIDENTALLY OFFING SOMEONE or from TRYING TO PLAY SUPER HERO if someone does attempt to rob the joint. Your help is not wanted.

Assholes who are determined to shoot up a place don't give a **** if there are armed people inside or not. They are SUICIDAL or otherwise DERANGED and are not concerned with consequences..

Sure they are concerned about the consequences. They want to make sure they are dead as a door nail so they don't have to suffer imprisonment. That's why they pick gun free places; so nobody will injure them enough so they can't commit suicide.

Who says they pick gun free zones? That's just what the gun nuts say. Has anyone ever confessed to that ?

No, it just happens to be a coincidence that most all of the mass shootings happen in gun free zones.

Nope. That's a myth. Debunked here...
And here....
And here....
And here...
And here.

That's just page one of search results...

And of course.....mass shooters do pick locations that are gun free zones.....

Santa barbara shooter ...

Do mentally ill, multiple victim killers purposefully pick targets where victims are most vulnerable?: The case of Elliot Rodger - Crime Prevention Research Center



With all the discussions about mental illness, one has to understand how much care and planning these killers engage in. Here is something from Elliot Rodger’s manifesto that no one seems to understand the importance of:

“The first thing I had to consider was the exact date it will take place. Valentine’s Day would have been very fitting, since it was the holiday that made me feel the most miserable and insulted, the holiday in which young couples celebrated their happy lives together. The problem was that Valentine’s Day was only a month away. I needed more time than that. Also, on Valentine’s Day most young couples will be spread out in various restaurants in the city instead of being packed together at parties in Isla Vista.

Another option was Deltopia, a day in which many young people pour in from all over the state to have a spring break party on Del Playa Street.

I figured this would be the perfect day to attack Isla Vista, but after watching Youtube videos of previous Deltopia parties, I saw that there were way too many cops walking around on such an event. It would be impossible to kill enough of my enemies before being dispatched by those damnable cops.“

Rodger was apparently planning this attack for over 1.5 years, and this planning is quite common. During the fall of 2012, when he was 21-years-old he wrote:

At this point, it fully dawned on me that the possibility of having to resort to exacting this Retribution was more real than ever before. Without the prospect of becoming wealthy at a young age, I had nothing to live for now. I was going to be a virgin outcast forever. I realized that I had to start planning and preparing for the Day of Retribution, even though I hadn’t yet had any idea of what day that would be. . . .

The recent Aurora, Colorado Batman movie theater and Sikh Temple shootings are by no means the first times that killers targeted gun-free zones. Few appreciate that Dylan Klebold, one of the two Columbine killers, was following Colorado legislation that would have let citizens carry a concealed handgun. Presumably, he feared being stopped during his attack by someone with a weapon. In fact, the Columbine attack occurred the very day that final passage was scheduled.

And the killers’ concern that they would be stopped before many people were killed is justified. Many mass public shootings have been stopped by permit holders. Look at some of the cases: Shootings at schools were stopped before police arrived in such places as Pearl, Miss., and Edinboro, Pa., and at colleges like the Appalachian Law School in Virginia. Or consider attacks in busy downtowns such as Memphis; churches such as the New Life Church in Colorado Springs; malls in Portland, Ore., and Salt Lake City; or outside an apartment building in Oklahoma.


Colorado theater shooter....


Notes on the James Holmes Batman Movie Theater Shooting case Maximize killing and Deterrence matters for these mass killers - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org

Notes on the James Holmes Batman Movie Theater Shooting case: Maximize killing and Deterrence matters for these mass killers


This past week we finally got a look at the diary of the Batman movie theater killer, James Holmes, and it was clear that he was considering both attacking an airport and a movie theater. But he turned down the airport option because he was concerned about their “substantial security.”

While Holmes’ diary was no where near as detailed as Elliot Rodger’s, the Santa Barbara killer from last year, it still shows that he was concerned about avoiding people who might stop his attack.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Think about it. If you're a criminal looking for a place to rob, or a terrorist looking for a "soft" target, who do you think they're going to go after? A gun free sign is just asking for trouble. Isn't it?

Does a moron like you deserve to breathe? Yes...but barely.