Does a business that advertises itself as a gun free zone deserve to be attacked?

[bripat9643]

I once owned a business that had patrons. We'd have 50 or 60 people in on busy nights.

I didn't have a sign....but I would have told anyone I saw with a firearm to leave it in the car.

I liked knowing that nobody in my place had a firearm.

So what happens when the guy with a gun is robbing the place? Do you tell him that's against your rules?

What an idiot.

 

[paulitician]

Nutbags are afraid to go anywhere without their metal manhood to protect them.

Just what we need. A bunch of Barney Fife's fumbling with their junk whenever they see a kid in a hoodie with his hands in his pockets.

Don't own a firearm. Be a 'Gun Free Zone' moron. That's your call. Problem solved.

I own one. And I don't need it with me when I go to the store or movie theater. That's what chicken shit pussies do.

you cant talk to these imbeciles even when you claim pro gun ... they're so caught up in their stupidity nothing else matters .. and they wonder why the anti gun people lobby for control?

F' em all.

Acquiring a Concealed/Carry Permit isn't unreasonable, and it certainly doesn't make you an 'imbecile.' In fact, many would say it's a wise logical thing to do these days. So you can have your opinion, but it's just your opinion. You do what you do and i'll do what i do. That's America.

 

[bripat9643]

What are the odds that you will be in a place where a mass shooter opens fire?

That's for any of you chicken shits to answer.

How many have their been in the last 10 years?

 

[boedicca]

In reply to the OP, no.

Period. It does deserve the consequences of lost business from people who care enough about the issue to not wish to patronize said business.


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[bripat9643]

******* dumb shits.

The idea behind businesses not permitting guns on their property is to prevent chicken shits like you from ACCIDENTALLY OFFING SOMEONE or from TRYING TO PLAY SUPER HERO if someone does attempt to rob the joint. Your help is not wanted.

Assholes who are determined to shoot up a place don't give a **** if there are armed people inside or not. They are SUICIDAL or otherwise DERANGED and are not concerned with consequences..

Sure they are concerned about the consequences. They want to make sure they are dead as a door nail so they don't have to suffer imprisonment. That's why they pick gun free places; so nobody will injure them enough so they can't commit suicide.

Who says they pick gun free zones? That's just what the gun nuts say. Has anyone ever confessed to that ?

No, it just happens to be a coincidence that most all of the mass shootings happen in gun free zones.

They all happened in gun free zones, didn't they?

 

[bripat9643]

Think about it. If you're a criminal looking for a place to rob, or a terrorist looking for a "soft" target, who do you think they're going to go after? A gun free sign is just asking for trouble. Isn't it?

The thread premise is idiocy.

We understand that reality seems like idiocy to you. It's all a vast hallucination. Now go back to sleep.

 

[Siete]

because a business advertises "gun free" doesn't mean the owner of the business doesn't have a gun in his desk or under a counter .... or strapped to his ankle for that matter.

a sign in the window is no more than a sign in the window ...

 

[Vandalshandle]

Think about it. If you're a criminal looking for a place to rob, or a terrorist looking for a "soft" target, who do you think they're going to go after? A gun free sign is just asking for trouble. Isn't it?

Absolutely. And the next time you get up in the morning, and take a dump before taking your shower, you deserve to be attacked because criminals know that you don't get up in the morning and strap on your 1911 before taking a shower.

 

[Timmy]

Your everyday run of the mill shooting takes place in the streets or some other "gun legal". The vast majority of shootings in fact .

 

[LoneLaugher]

I once owned a business that had patrons. We'd have 50 or 60 people in on busy nights.

I didn't have a sign....but I would have told anyone I saw with a firearm to leave it in the car.

I liked knowing that nobody in my place had a firearm.

So what happens when the guy with a gun is robbing the place? Do you tell him that's against your rules?

What an idiot.

I give him the money and call the cops. Nobody dies. He gets caught. Happy ending.

 

[martybegan]

I once owned a business that had patrons. We'd have 50 or 60 people in on busy nights.

I didn't have a sign....but I would have told anyone I saw with a firearm to leave it in the car.

I liked knowing that nobody in my place had a firearm.

So what happens when the guy with a gun is robbing the place? Do you tell him that's against your rules?

What an idiot.

I give him the money and call the cops. Nobody dies. He gets caught. Happy ending.

yeah, that's the plan....

Wendy's massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The killings were carried out by 36-year-old John Taylor, a former employee of the restaurant, and his accomplice Craig Godineaux. The robbery was carefully planned, as Taylor had the manager of the restaurant (whom he knew) summon the entire staff to the basement on the pretense of having an important meeting. Once in the basement, Taylor and Godineaux bound and gagged all seven of the employees at gunpoint and then shot each of them in the head with a Bryco-Jennings Model J38 .380 caliber semi-automatic pistol. All but two of the employees died. One of the survivors dialed 9-1-1, and police arrived to find the victims and discovered $2,400 missing from the safe.

 

[2aguy]

Does a business that advertises itself as a gun free zone deserve to be attacked?


Of course not.

On the other hand....

If a business advertises itself as a "Gun Free Zone" and puts up signs forbidding customers from bringing guns inside...

...and some whacko barges in, holds up the customers, and then shoots one....

..should that customer (or his next of kin) sue the business for depriving the customer of his right to defend himself and then failing to protect the unarmed customer, resulting in his injury or death?

Obviously the person most at fault is the whacko who pulled the trigger.

But does the business deserve at least some liability for what happened?

If a business forbids customers the right to carry the means to defend themselves, is the business then responsible for defending them instead?

Yes, they should be held liable. They actively prevented a person from bringing in their own protection. If they do so, they should be required to 1)provide it themselves or 2) be held liable if something happens.

And if it is against civil rights to deny service to anyone in a public accomodation......then not allowing someone to carry a weapon is in violation of the 2nd amendment protection of our civil right to bear arms in self defense.....there should be law suits....what is good for the left is good for everyone else....

 

[2aguy]

Think about it. If you're a criminal looking for a place to rob, or a terrorist looking for a "soft" target, who do you think they're going to go after? A gun free sign is just asking for trouble. Isn't it?

No one deserves to be attacked. However, it is illogical to not take the necessary precautions.
For example, let's say Joe Schmoe is opposed to gun ownership. He owns a business. He prefers his customers not carry firearms. The prudent thing to do it NOT post a sign but let anyone entering Joe's business that carrying of firearms is not permitted. His property. His right.

So small business owners can refuse to serve customers who pack....but they can't refuse to cater homo parties. Interesting.

There's no law saying biz owners can't keep gun owners out .

It is called the Constitution....the Bill of Rights......if you can't discriminate based on race, religion...as they are protected...so too is the 2nd Amendment......

 

[2aguy]

I once owned a business that had patrons. We'd have 50 or 60 people in on busy nights.

I didn't have a sign....but I would have told anyone I saw with a firearm to leave it in the car.

I liked knowing that nobody in my place had a firearm.

So what happens when the guy with a gun is robbing the place? Do you tell him that's against your rules?

What an idiot.

I give him the money and call the cops. Nobody dies. He gets caught. Happy ending.

yeah, that's the plan....

Wendy's massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The killings were carried out by 36-year-old John Taylor, a former employee of the restaurant, and his accomplice Craig Godineaux. The robbery was carefully planned, as Taylor had the manager of the restaurant (whom he knew) summon the entire staff to the basement on the pretense of having an important meeting. Once in the basement, Taylor and Godineaux bound and gagged all seven of the employees at gunpoint and then shot each of them in the head with a Bryco-Jennings Model J38 .380 caliber semi-automatic pistol. All but two of the employees died. One of the survivors dialed 9-1-1, and police arrived to find the victims and discovered $2,400 missing from the safe.

Thanks for that one...I will keep it for future debates....

 

[martybegan]

Does a business that advertises itself as a gun free zone deserve to be attacked?


Of course not.

On the other hand....

If a business advertises itself as a "Gun Free Zone" and puts up signs forbidding customers from bringing guns inside...

...and some whacko barges in, holds up the customers, and then shoots one....

..should that customer (or his next of kin) sue the business for depriving the customer of his right to defend himself and then failing to protect the unarmed customer, resulting in his injury or death?

Obviously the person most at fault is the whacko who pulled the trigger.

But does the business deserve at least some liability for what happened?

If a business forbids customers the right to carry the means to defend themselves, is the business then responsible for defending them instead?

Yes, they should be held liable. They actively prevented a person from bringing in their own protection. If they do so, they should be required to 1)provide it themselves or 2) be held liable if something happens.

And if it is against civil rights to deny service to anyone in a public accomodation......then not allowing someone to carry a weapon is in violation of the 2nd amendment protection of our civil right to bear arms in self defense.....there should be law suits....what is good for the left is good for everyone else....

I would rather not run to the public accommodation argument, as I find PA laws to be vastly over-used. Simple liability would suffice.

"I wanted to carry my firearm, you said no, you got robbed, I got hurt, you are liable." Very simple.

 

[martybegan]

I once owned a business that had patrons. We'd have 50 or 60 people in on busy nights.

I didn't have a sign....but I would have told anyone I saw with a firearm to leave it in the car.

I liked knowing that nobody in my place had a firearm.

So what happens when the guy with a gun is robbing the place? Do you tell him that's against your rules?

What an idiot.

I give him the money and call the cops. Nobody dies. He gets caught. Happy ending.

yeah, that's the plan....

Wendy's massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The killings were carried out by 36-year-old John Taylor, a former employee of the restaurant, and his accomplice Craig Godineaux. The robbery was carefully planned, as Taylor had the manager of the restaurant (whom he knew) summon the entire staff to the basement on the pretense of having an important meeting. Once in the basement, Taylor and Godineaux bound and gagged all seven of the employees at gunpoint and then shot each of them in the head with a Bryco-Jennings Model J38 .380 caliber semi-automatic pistol. All but two of the employees died. One of the survivors dialed 9-1-1, and police arrived to find the victims and discovered $2,400 missing from the safe.

Thanks for that one...I will keep it for future debates....

I was in that exact Wendy's 3 hours before the murders happened. Was on my way home, stopped to get dinner, got served by one of the girls who got killed. Found out the next morning the massacre happened.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Think about it. If you're a criminal looking for a place to rob, or a terrorist looking for a "soft" target, who do you think they're going to go after? A gun free sign is just asking for trouble. Isn't it?

Absolutely. And the next time you get up in the morning, and take a dump before taking your shower, you deserve to be attacked because criminals know that you don't get up in the morning and strap on your 1911 before taking a shower.

No, they don't know that at all. In a private residence, as opposed to a public business with a big-ass sign by the door saying, "Gun Free Zone", they have no way of knowing that I don't have a ******* gun in easy reach of every place I go in the house. Nor should they count on that.

I never cease to be amazed by the leftist ability to make bullshit, my-kid-is-more-logical analogies.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Your everyday run of the mill shooting takes place in the streets or some other "gun legal". The vast majority of shootings in fact .

Quite true, but we're not talking about those, so please stop topic-hopping, Captain ADD.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I once owned a business that had patrons. We'd have 50 or 60 people in on busy nights.

I didn't have a sign....but I would have told anyone I saw with a firearm to leave it in the car.

I liked knowing that nobody in my place had a firearm.

So what happens when the guy with a gun is robbing the place? Do you tell him that's against your rules?

What an idiot.

I give him the money and call the cops. Nobody dies. He gets caught. Happy ending.

Oh, yes, because we all know the vast majority of armed robbers get caught. The police are infallible . . . except when they're murdering racists, of course.

 

[paulitician]

Acquiring a Concealed/Carry Permit is probably a very wise and logical thing to do these days. Let's face it, Police could care less whether you live or die. They usually arrive after the fact. And they'd much rather write you a ticket or kick your face in. That's American Police today.

So, don't count on Government being there when you're attacked. You are on your own. I would advise being prepared for the worst. You owe that to your family especially.