Dobbs was the worst thing that could happen to Republicans.

[martybegan]

Before Dobbs, the Republicans could placate the Religious Right and Social Conservatives by speaking out against Abortion. This was essentially harmless. With Roe as the law of the land, there was no hope of actually doing anything. And best of all, the Republicans couldn’t be blamed for doing nothing. The Supreme Court had ruled and the poor politicians were powerless to do anything about it.

So some fool in the audience screams that “Abortion is Murder” and the politician could agree and lament about how awful it was and it’s a shame the Supremes gave us this awful ruling.

Then Dobbs came and the Republicans got what they said they wanted. Only, it’s not going the way they wanted.

Abortions After Dobbs

The number of legal abortions has held steady, if not increased, after the Supreme Court’s ruling.

www.nytimes.com

Abortions have remained the same, and indications are that there has been an increase since Dobbs.

So the stated goal to stop abortions, has failed. They are about the same and even possibly increasing. So the “have to save lives” mentality is taking it right on the nose.

For decades polling indicated that most people supported a woman’s right to choose. The Anti Abortion people swore that these were push polls. They were fiction. These polls were lies. A vast majority wanted to save the unborn babies.

Even when Abortion was an issue in an election, the Republican would win. But nobody stopped to consider it might be because the voters didn’t think the politician could do anything about the issue.

Now of course we are in a post Dobbs world. The problem is that the Republicans don’t know what to do. It turns out the polls were right. The majority of voters actually are pro choice. In the meantime the Republicans have become defined by fierce opposition to Abortion.

It is worse for Trump. He proudly announced he had done this. He had packed the court with anti abortion Judges who overturned Roe.

The Republicans are now demanding that the important issues, the ones that matter are the economy, and immigration, and the deficit. The voters appear to think Abortion is pretty important.

It had to happen or we would be fighting this out at the federal level for decades to come.

Now both sides can see what the people want in a given State.

Ohio was a unique case because their constitution can be amended with a mere 50% public vote.

If I were Ohio Republicans I would put gun rights and school vouchers on the table as Constitutional Amendments and see how dems like that one.

 

[Mac-7]

Another interesting thing that has not happened, is the despite all the talk that abortion is murder, not a single state that has passed abortion limiting laws has made it so, none of them even have made any sort of penalty for the mother that chooses to have an abortion

Murder is a legal term

Ohio makes it legal to kill inborn human beings, so technically its not murder

but that does not remove the moral stigma

 

[Frankenstein]

Being right is not having an abortion.
Being wrong is losing elections because you are trying to impose your morals on godless women.
Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion.

Freedom from religion means they can suppress our right to free speech that isn't gonna happen! I would rather be right and lose elections than be wrong in Gods eyes. Let the chips fall where they may!

 

[Darkwind]

Republicans are truly the dog that caught the car.

They have been USING this issue for decades in a cynical ploy to raise money and get votes.

Well they won (by installing right wing SCOTUS Justices) and now they’re seeing the results..

Taking rights away from women is just not popular

No rights have been taken away.

This kind of rhetoric needs to be pushed back hard.

It is an absolute lie.

 

[Woodznutz]

The only effective way to reduce abortions is to reduce the number of pregnancies. But this is the side that the anti-abortion people never talk about

Not so. We encourage all the methods of preventing unwanted pregnancy. Most women avail themselves of these methods. It is those women who don't and want to have unprotected sex whenever they want it, or whenever their husbands or boyfriends want it, that are the problem.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Before Dobbs, the Republicans could placate the Religious Right and Social Conservatives by speaking out against Abortion. This was essentially harmless. With Roe as the law of the land, there was no hope of actually doing anything. And best of all, the Republicans couldn’t be blamed for doing nothing. The Supreme Court had ruled and the poor politicians were powerless to do anything about it.

So some fool in the audience screams that “Abortion is Murder” and the politician could agree and lament about how awful it was and it’s a shame the Supremes gave us this awful ruling.

Then Dobbs came and the Republicans got what they said they wanted. Only, it’s not going the way they wanted.

Abortions After Dobbs

The number of legal abortions has held steady, if not increased, after the Supreme Court’s ruling.

www.nytimes.com

Abortions have remained the same, and indications are that there has been an increase since Dobbs.

So the stated goal to stop abortions, has failed. They are about the same and even possibly increasing. So the “have to save lives” mentality is taking it right on the nose.

For decades polling indicated that most people supported a woman’s right to choose. The Anti Abortion people swore that these were push polls. They were fiction. These polls were lies. A vast majority wanted to save the unborn babies.

Even when Abortion was an issue in an election, the Republican would win. But nobody stopped to consider it might be because the voters didn’t think the politician could do anything about the issue.

Now of course we are in a post Dobbs world. The problem is that the Republicans don’t know what to do. It turns out the polls were right. The majority of voters actually are pro choice. In the meantime the Republicans have become defined by fierce opposition to Abortion.

It is worse for Trump. He proudly announced he had done this. He had packed the court with anti abortion Judges who overturned Roe.

The Republicans are now demanding that the important issues, the ones that matter are the economy, and immigration, and the deficit. The voters appear to think Abortion is pretty important.

THE CONSTITUTION is the worst thing that can happen to Republicans? WOW.

 

[Frankenstein]

It had to happen or we would be fighting this out at the federal level for decades to come.

Now both sides can see what the people want in a given State.

Ohio was a unique case because their constitution can be amended with a mere 50% public vote.

If I were Ohio Republicans I would put gun rights and school vouchers on the table as Constitutional Amendments and see how dems like that one.

Then they lied for months about what was in the law, parental notification will no be taken away as well as abortion till birth they are using incrementalism like good commie bastards

 

[ColonelAngus]

No rights have been taken away.

This kind of rhetoric needs to be pushed back hard.

It is an absolute lie.

In many cases, the ability to legally murder a baby has been extended.

The left are fucked in the head. What do left wing cult fucks living in Portland care what people in Oklahoma do?

Get fucked lefties and continue to murder babies in the birth canal.

Keep on with the BLACK GENOCIDE OF 40 MILLION.

 

[rightwinger]

Frankly, women who desire to live consequence-free lives probably shouldn’t be passing-on their DNA or that of the boys they are fucking. Let them abort themselves out of the gene pool.

The key is that men are living consequence free lives with no responsibility for the babies they create.

Yes, women face the consequences. Losing jobs, medical expenses, child care, children they can’t afford

 

[martybegan]

Then they lied for months about what was in the law, parental notification will no be taken away as well as abortion till birth they are using incrementalism like good commie bastards

Lets see the backlash when the first time a parent sues for notification and the judge tells them notification is unconstitutional.

Also if the left uses the law beyond abortion for trans shenanigans.

 

[BrokeLoser]

The only effective way to reduce abortions is to reduce the number of pregnancies. But this is the side that the anti-abortion people never talk about

You globalists need to stop with the bullshit talking points…you have no interest in solving issues, if you did you wouldn’t recruit filthy immoral thirdworlders whom reproduce like cockroaches and use abortion as a contraceptive.

 

[martybegan]

The key is that men are living consequence free lives with no responsibility for the babies they create.

Yes, women face the consequences. Losing jobs, medical expenses, child care, children they can’t afford

Ever hear of child support?

If women can abort, men should have the same legal ability to declare they want nothing to do with the kid.

 

[Mac1958]

The two silly parties specialize in going too far. In pretending they have a "mandate".

So it's the GOP's turn on this one. Too bad. The tribes should stop thinking they have all the damn answers.

 

[TNHarley]

#MakeCoatHangersGreatAgain

 

[CowboyTed]

Murder is a legal term

Ohio makes it legal to kill inborn human beings, so technically its not murder

but that does not remove the moral stigma

What moral stigma....

Abortion is a made up wedge issue, Evangelists didn't care about it for the first 5 years it past, 'It is a Catholic Issue'...

The Religious Right and the Abortion Myth

White evangelicals in the 1970s didn’t initially care about abortion. They organized to defend racial segregation in evangelical institutions — and only seized on banning abortion because it was more palatable than their real goal.

www.politico.com

Read about the issue ye all claim to care so much about... Read it and explain it to us...

Even the Catholic Church has been all over the shop about it too..

Modern Look at Abortion Not Same as St. Augustine's | EWTN

EWTN is a global, Catholic Television, Catholic Radio, and Catholic News Network that provides catholic programming and news coverage from around the world.

www.ewtn.com

Abortion his a home grown a wedge issue. That why Jesus never mentioned it but it comes out of politicians mouth everyday.

 

[MinTrut]

Before Dobbs, the Republicans could placate the Religious Right and Social Conservatives by speaking out against Abortion. This was essentially harmless. With Roe as the law of the land, there was no hope of actually doing anything. And best of all, the Republicans couldn’t be blamed for doing nothing. The Supreme Court had ruled and the poor politicians were powerless to do anything about it.

So some fool in the audience screams that “Abortion is Murder” and the politician could agree and lament about how awful it was and it’s a shame the Supremes gave us this awful ruling.

Then Dobbs came and the Republicans got what they said they wanted. Only, it’s not going the way they wanted.

Abortions After Dobbs

The number of legal abortions has held steady, if not increased, after the Supreme Court’s ruling.

www.nytimes.com

Abortions have remained the same, and indications are that there has been an increase since Dobbs.

So the stated goal to stop abortions, has failed. They are about the same and even possibly increasing. So the “have to save lives” mentality is taking it right on the nose.

For decades polling indicated that most people supported a woman’s right to choose. The Anti Abortion people swore that these were push polls. They were fiction. These polls were lies. A vast majority wanted to save the unborn babies.

Even when Abortion was an issue in an election, the Republican would win. But nobody stopped to consider it might be because the voters didn’t think the politician could do anything about the issue.

Now of course we are in a post Dobbs world. The problem is that the Republicans don’t know what to do. It turns out the polls were right. The majority of voters actually are pro choice. In the meantime the Republicans have become defined by fierce opposition to Abortion.

It is worse for Trump. He proudly announced he had done this. He had packed the court with anti abortion Judges who overturned Roe.

The Republicans are now demanding that the important issues, the ones that matter are the economy, and immigration, and the deficit. The voters appear to think Abortion is pretty important.

Yup.

Conservative SCOTUS ain't that conservative, and is actually quite political, AND they knew what would happen if they gifted the Democrats with a fast-track.

The connies said "Let the states decide!"

And the states are/have.

The problem with connies is that they live in a fantasy world where everyone thinks like them.

In the REAL world, they're in the minority on most issues, and instead of adjusting their worldview to reality, they screech like stuck pigs every time they learn their fantasies are only that.

Oh well.

 

[MinTrut]

The key is that men are living consequence free lives with no responsibility for the babies they create.

Yes, women face the consequences. Losing jobs, medical expenses, child care, children they can’t afford

Yup.

If men got pregnant, there'd be automated abortion devices at every bar, gas station, 7-11 and Starbux.

 

[Oddball]

I said at the time of the decision that they fucked-up and the 15-week compromise was the way to go.....I knew what was in store because the holy-roller beholden politicians would not be able to help themselves.

Frankly, women who desire to live consequence-free lives probably shouldn’t be passing-on their DNA or that of the boys they are fucking. Let them abort themselves out of the gene pool.

As is almost always the case, republicans act as though winning a battle means that they won the war.

They've been able to move the needle on late term infanticide....Abortion after the 1st trimester isn't popular outside of the small vocal minority of abortionist ghouls.....Take the freaking win and keep spreading the word and educating people.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Conservative SCOTUS ain't that conservative, and is actually quite political, AND they knew what would happen if they gifted the Democrats with a fast-track.

Because you say so without evidence?

The connies said "Let the states decide!"

And the states are/have.

Why do you and Golfing Gator hate the idea of moving the issue closer to The People? Why do you Fed statists want your Father Fed in control of everything?

The problem with connies is that they live in a fantasy world where everyone thinks like them.

In the REAL world, they're in the minority on most issues, and instead of adjusting their worldview to reality, they screech like stuck pigs every time they learn their fantasies are only that.

Is this “REAL WORLD” you speak of the one that Democrats have hired media, social media and academia to manufacture for them through the echo chamber?
Is that the “REAL WORLD” where men can become women by simple proclamation?
Is that the ”REAL WORLD” where evil whitey is America’s greatest threat?
Are you sure you know what a REAL WORLD is?

 

[martybegan]

Yup.

Conservative SCOTUS ain't that conservative, and is actually quite political, AND they knew what would happen if they gifted the Democrats with a fast-track.

The connies said "Let the states decide!"

And the states are/have.

The problem with connies is that they live in a fantasy world where everyone thinks like them.

In the REAL world, they're in the minority on most issues, and instead of adjusting their worldview to reality, they screech like stuck pigs every time they learn their fantasies are only that.

Oh well.

And that's the reality they will have to adjust to. Roe was terrible precedent and rightly brought down.

Next, take down Chevron deference.