Zone1 Do You Wanna Get to Heaven?

[luiza]

I actually want to see heaven come to this earth so that life on earth is totally transformed by the Holy Spirit being in everybody from the least to the greatest.

I do want to go to heaven but eventually heaven comes to this earth which is even more important.

How incredibly boring that would be .
God is far more interesting as he is now -- bad tempered and of poor judgement .
But despite his glaring weaknesses he can be entertaining in small doses .

 

[luiza]

you fit the bill -

jesus never spoke those words their goal, the 1st century events are the repudiation of judaism, false commandments claimed by the liar moses et al and those that wrote the 4th century christian bible.

This invented character never made an appearance in the first three versions of the Torah bible .

As for poor Jesus .
He was just a decent Essene monk who was hijacked into being seen as a Fake leader by some of his fake followers , then the Roman Elite and finally by the machinations of Constantine .

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I have often suggested to him that he should engage an editor familiar with English.

I don't think that's his problem

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

This invented character never made an appearance in the first three versions of the Torah bible .

As for poor Jesus .
He was just a decent Essene monk who was hijacked into being seen as a Fake leader by some of his fake followers , then the Roman Elite and finally by the machinations of Constantine .

Are You "Jewish" Luiza?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Are You "Jewish" Luiza?

Certain posters are demon influenced and haunt th religion section

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Certain posters are demon influenced and haunt th religion section

I Agree Carl,...... There are a lot of people here in these Boards that are either "Possessed", or in Secular Terms,.... Suffering Greatly from some form of Mental Illness.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Exo 20:1 God spoke all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 “I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 “You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me,
Exo 20:6 and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 “You shall not take the name of Yahweh your God in vain, for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 You shall labor six days, and do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to Yahweh your God. You shall not do any work in it, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your livestock, nor your stranger who is within your gates;
Exo 20:11 for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore Yahweh blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy.

Exo 20:12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land which Yahweh your God gives you.
Exo 20:13 “You shall not murder.
Exo 20:14 “You shall not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 “You shall not steal.
Exo 20:16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
Exo 20:17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
Exo 20:18 All the people perceived the thunderings, the lightnings, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking. When the people saw it, they trembled, and stayed at a distance.
Exo 20:19 They said to Moses, “Speak with us yourself, and we will listen; but don’t let God speak with us, lest we die.”

Mat 7:12 Therefore whatever you desire for men to do to you, you shall also do to them; for this is the law and the prophets.
Mat 7:13 “Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it.
Mat 7:14 How narrow is the gate, and restricted is the way that leads to life! Few are those who find it.
Mat 5:17 “Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.


Mat 19:16 Behold, one came to him and said, “Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
1Jn_5:3 For this is loving God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous.

2Jn_1:6 This is love, that we should walk according to his commandments. This is the commandment, even as you heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
Rev_14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”

Rev_22:14 Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

This invented character never made an appearance in the first three versions of the Torah bible .

As for poor Jesus .
He was just a decent Essene monk who was hijacked into being seen as a Fake leader by some of his fake followers , then the Roman Elite and finally by the machinations of Constantine .

Your Knowledge of the Scriptures, as well as Your Spiritual Guidance is greatly lacking Luiza.

Your so called "Invented Character" is absolutely found in the "Tanach/Old Testament",.... Problem is the "Jews", and a vast number of "Christians" do not Know Him.

 

[Zebra]

So, a politician dies and shows up at the Pearly Gates where he is met by Saint Peter. Saint Peter says, we were surprised that a politician ended up here. It's rare. The politician says that he always knew he would end up in heaven as he led a very decent and God fearing life.
Saint Peter tells him that before he can be let in, he must spend 24 hours in Hell. Why, asked the politician? It's mandatory for all to make an informed decision.
Okay says the politician. So, he's sent down to Hell. Upon arrival he meets many people he knew in life. They were happy, with plenty to eat and drink and there was a golf course and beautiful mansions. After enjoying himself for 24 hours, he was whisked back to Heaven where Saint Peter showed him life in Heaven. There were soft billowing clouds with people singing and playing small harps. All was peaceful.
After one day there, Saint Peter asks him to make his decision. The politician replies, "I didn't think I would ever say this, but I would like to go back to Hell. Are you sure, asks Saint Peter. Yes. Replies the politician, and down he goes to Hell. On arrival, the landscape is barren and unbearably hot and all those he sees are suffering. The politician calls out to Satan, asking why things were so different from when he was there last. Satan replies: "We were campaigning."

Nice!

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

How many Sects of "Christianity" follow The Teachings of The Messiah to the Letter?
.............

Mat 5:17 “Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.


Mat 7:12 Therefore whatever you desire for men to do to you, you shall also do to them; for this is the law and the prophets.
Mat 7:13 “Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it.
Mat 7:14 How narrow is the gate, and restricted is the way that leads to life! Few are those who find it.

Mat 7:21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will tell me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?’
Mat 7:23 Then I will tell them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.’

Mat 7:24 “Everyone therefore who hears these words of mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man, who built his house on a rock.
Mat 7:25 The rain came down, the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat on that house; and it didn’t fall, for it was founded on the rock.
Mat 7:26 Everyone who hears these words of mine, and doesn’t do them will be like a foolish man, who built his house on the sand.
Mat 7:27 The rain came down, the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat on that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”

Mat 19:16 Behold, one came to him and said, “Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Mat 19:18 He said to him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder.’ ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ ‘You shall not steal.’ ‘You shall not offer false testimony.’
Mat 19:19 ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ And, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”
Mat 19:20 The young man said to him, “All these things I have observed from my youth. What do I still lack?”
Mat 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

Mat 22:34 But the Pharisees, when they heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, gathered themselves together.
Mat 22:35 One of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, testing him.
Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?”
Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 A second likewise is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
Mat 22:40 The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments.”
Exo 20:1 God spoke all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 “I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 “You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me,
Exo 20:6 and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 “You shall not take the name of Yahweh your God in vain, for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 You shall labor six days, and do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to Yahweh your God. You shall not do any work in it, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your livestock, nor your stranger who is within your gates;
Exo 20:11 for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore Yahweh blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy.


Exo 20:12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land which Yahweh your God gives you.
Exo 20:13 “You shall not murder.
Exo 20:14 “You shall not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 “You shall not steal.
Exo 20:16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
Exo 20:17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
Exo 20:18 All the people perceived the thunderings, the lightnings, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking. When the people saw it, they trembled, and stayed at a distance.
Exo 20:19 They said to Moses, “Speak with us yourself, and we will listen; but don’t let God speak with us, lest we die.”

Rev 22:12 “Behold, I come quickly. My reward is with me, to repay to each man according to his work.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Ya'll, being "Raptured Up" to Heaven, is absolutely not going to happen for any Group, be they "Jewish", Catholic, "Christian", nor "Muslim.

Those that Believe, will be here on Earth, when "It hits the Fan", & We will be Tested for Our Belief.

The Messiah, will meet those "Believers in the Air", & then All, will come down here to Earth, where The Kingdom of Heaven will be established after Armageddon.

So when does the BEMA Judgment in Heaven happen? Where do we receive the crowns and lay them at Jesus' feet?
And the white horses we ride behind Jesus on His white horse? And our white robes? Does He hand those out on earth?

 

[HikerGuy83]

What will go on in Heaven?

 

[braalian]

I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints

The sinners are much more fun

—Billy Joel

 

[HikerGuy83]

I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints

The sinners are much more fun

—Billy Joel

We are all sinners.

I think that has been made clear.

And with all deference to Billy Joel, you can laugh with the saints too.

 

[DennisPTate]

This is a Major Problem, & This just One, of many but here it is, and Please,..... If it "Wrecks your Belief",... Then Argue with Mankind's LORD & Savior.

Mat 19:16 Behold, one came to him and said, “Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Good point!

Messiah Yeshua - Jesus certainly expanded on the ten commandments and made it clear that we must go beyond merely the letter of the law regarding the Ten Commandments.

17“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Murder Begins in the Heart
21“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. 23Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.
Adultery in the Heart
27“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
Marriage Is Sacred and Binding
31“Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
Jesus Forbids Oaths
33“Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.’ 34But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. 37But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.

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[TruthSeeker112125]

"Christianity" largely hangs on the False Teaching of the "Law being nailed to the Cross"., which in turn gives "Christianity" the ability to state that "We're under a New Covenant", and that The "Covenant" that The Messiah absolutely taught of, & honored, no longer applies.

How can these "Lord!" proclaimers, in all Truth,.... State that they "Love Jesus", while they deny, &/or corrupt His Teachings?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Mat 24:3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? What is the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Even without any consideration towards The Scriptures,.............

The World is in great stress, & Chaos, which is causing the people to look to, & accept the Dictates of their "Leaders".

Very, very few of these "people" question the fact, that their "Leaders Dictates", do not solve the ever growing,& horrific problems that are facing Mankind.

And, quite often,.... Those that do "Question their Leaders", they are ridiculed, branded as "conspiracy theorists", "Haters", & more.