Zone1 Do you trust radiocarbon dating?

[onefour1]

 

[alang1216]

The science has been well proven and is accurate. Sorry.

 

[BackAgain]

No. Trust must be earned. Never on a first date.

 

[toobfreak]

Look, son, let me just cut to the chase.

The Earth is way older than 6,000 years. I bet this has been proven at least a dozen different, independent ways, by many specialists using several different measurement methods in many different fields.

• It has been proven in space science.
• It has been proven in archeological findings.
• It has been proven in geological findings.
• It has been proven in oceanographic studies.
• It has been proven in anthropological studies, history and findings.

Man did not just pop out of thin air 6,000 years ago.

When Moses wrote Genesis, he created a mythology in order to create a basis from which to begin the story of man, and the sad fact is that, the shortest, easiest way of explaining how things started was with man simply /there/ from the beginning, and central to both God, the universe, and the Earth.

 

[Concerned American]

No. Trust must be earned. Never on a first date.

Don't know why carbon would want to date a radio--what would the spawn look like?

 

[1srelluc]

Huh, never really thought about it. Can't say I really care all that much either way but 5700 years seems very "convenient" doesn't it?

For instance it can't date a object with a known age, say 500 years.

 

[Invisibleflash]

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Look, son, let me just cut to the chase.

The Earth is way older than 6,000 years. I bet this has been proven at least a dozen different, independent ways, by many specialists using several different measurement methods in many different fields.

• It has been proven in space science.
• It has been proven in archeological findings.
• It has been proven in geological findings.
• It has been proven in oceanographic studies.
• It has been proven in anthropological studies, history and findings.

Man did not just pop out of thin air 6,000 years ago.

When Moses wrote Genesis, he created a mythology in order to create a basis from which to begin the story of man, and the sad fact is that, the shortest, easiest way of explaining how things started was with man simply /there/ from the beginning, and central to both God, the universe, and the Earth.

LDS dont believe that man and the earth are 6000 years old

 

[Concerned American]

Huh, never really thought about it. Can't say I really care all that much either way but 5700 years seems very "convenient" doesn't it?

For instance it can't date a object with a known age, say 500 years.

LOL, kind of like pharmaceutical ads that state that certain medications quit working at 75 years old. WTF. Where did they come up with that magical number?

 

[onefour1]

The science has been well proven and is accurate. Sorry.

There are several unproven assumptions and errors in the science.

Look, son, let me just cut to the chase.

The Earth is way older than 6,000 years. I bet this has been proven at least a dozen different, independent ways, by many specialists using several different measurement methods in many different fields.

I never said the earth was 6000 years old. Neither does the Bible. If you read Genesis 1 you will learn that the earth was created in the beginning. After the creation of the earth, light was introduced on the earth and from the light and darkness days were created. These days were not according to our current reckoning since the sun was not created until the 4th day. Reference the proofs that you claim exist.

• It has been proven in space science.
• It has been proven in archeological findings.
• It has been proven in geological findings.
• It has been proven in oceanographic studies.
• It has been proven in anthropological studies, history and findings.

Man did not just pop out of thin air 6,000 years ago.

Man was created during the days of creation which were not according to our current reckoning of a days. According to 2 Peter 3:8 a day unto the Lord is 1000 of our current years.

When Moses wrote Genesis, he created a mythology in order to create a basis from which to begin the story of man, and the sad fact is that, the shortest, easiest way of explaining how things started was with man simply /there/ from the beginning, and central to both God, the universe, and the Earth.

That is your belief or religion. Not mine.

 

[toobfreak]

There are several unproven assumptions and errors in the science.

But when you use two totally dissimilar techniques and methods in two different fields and the results correlate well, that lends further credence to those assumptions being pretty accurate. Besides, if you actually KNEW anything about the science (which you obviously don't), you would know that scientists take any uncertainties into their calculations yielding a fudge factor giving a RANGE of results with an upper and lower limit depending on best and worst case scenarios for any potential errors.

If you read Genesis 1 you will learn that the earth was created in the beginning.

But Earth was NOT created in the beginning. Earth was created about 9.3 BILLION YEARS after the beginning. Unless the "beginning" spoken of in the Bible was merely the beginning of the Earth.

After the creation of the earth, light was introduced on the earth and from the light and darkness days were created.

Light was created about 300,000 years after the creation of the universe because that is how long it took for it to cool and diffuse enough to be transparent to light. Light and dark are created on Earth only because of its rotation about its axis in relation to the Sun.

These days were not according to our current reckoning since the sun was not created until the 4th day.

The Sun was created first, the Jupiter, Saturn, the ice giants, then finally the rocky planets including Earth. Without the Sun already being there, there would be no Earth.

Reference the proofs that you claim exist.

Get off your ass and spend 60 years studying science as I have.

Man was created on the during the days of creation which were not according to our current reckoning of a day.

How could it have been any other way? "Days" are a concept created by people, not God. Man invented the week.

According to 2 Peter 3:8 a day unto the Lord is 1000 of our current years.

So, 7,000 years. Only off by about 4,599,993,000 years. Oh, BTW, when the Earth was created, our "days" were only about 10 hours long.

That is your belief or religion. Not mine.

Look Ace, screw you. You give religion a bad name. Believe me when I tell you that:

1. I'm more religious and spiritual than you, more than you can even imagine.
2. This literal CROCK of BS you are trying to feed people out of your literal interpretation of Genesis stinks of the same ptolemaic nonsense 17th century Catholics used to burn Giordano Bruno at the stake.

The first few parts of Genesis were laid down principally just to give a metaphorical starting point and foundation for explaining the roots and origins of the Hebrew people.

 

[onefour1]

But when you use two totally dissimilar techniques and methods in two different fields and the results correlate well, that lends further credence to those assumptions being pretty accurate. Besides, if you actually KNEW anything about the science (which you obviously don't), you would know that scientists take any uncertainties into their calculations yielding a fudge factor giving a RANGE of results with an upper and lower limit depending on best and worst case scenarios for any potential errors.


But Earth was NOT created in the beginning. Earth was created about 9.3 BILLION YEARS after the beginning. Unless the "beginning" spoken of in the Bible was merely the beginning of the Earth.

Genesis 1:1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Here is a scientific AI explanation of what "in the beginning" refers to and that it is the beginning of the earth itself:

"The phrase "in the beginning" in Genesis 1:1 is derived from the Hebrew word bereshit, which means "in the beginning of [something]" and functions as a genitive phrase, suggesting the start of a sequence rather than an absolute beginning of time itself. This interpretation is supported by the fact that the Hebrew and Greek texts of Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1 do not include direct articles, meaning the phrase reads "a beginning" rather than "the beginning," implying the beginning of God's creative actions rather than the absolute origin of the material universe. The verse introduces the commencement of God's creative work, marking the start of time, space, and matter, with God existing eternally prior to creation. While some traditions interpret this as affirming creation ex nihilo (creation out of nothing), scholarly analysis suggests the focus is more on the organization and assignment of function to pre-existing matter, rather than the creation of matter itself."

Light was created about 300,000 years after the creation of the universe because that is how long it took for it to cool and diffuse enough to be transparent to light. Light and dark are created on Earth only because of its rotation about its axis in relation to the Sun.

You assume that the earth needed cooling when it was created. We have not evidence of this and only a big bang THEORY which is not proof. After the earth was created, God said, "let there be light". This doesn't imply that this was the creation of light itself but only that God allowed light to be on the earth and he divided this light from the darkness and call the light day and darkness night.

Genesis 1:2-5
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

It doesn't tell us what the source of the light was other than God made light to be upon the earth.

The Sun was created first, the Jupiter, Saturn, the ice giants, then finally the rocky planets including Earth. Without the Sun already being there, there would be no Earth.

Not according to the Bible. It tells us that after 3 days of the light already placed on the earth that God created the sun and moon and stars and placed them in relation to the earth:

Genesis 1:14-19
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Here we read that the Sun and Moon and Stars were created and set in the firmament of the heaven on the fourth day of creation. So the light that was upon the earth during the first, second, and third day were not the sun or the moon or the stars.

Get off your ass and spend 60 years studying science as I have.

Aren't we judgmental! You know nothing about who I am and what I know or have studied.

How could it have been any other way? "Days" are a concept created by people, not God. Man invented the week.


So, 7,000 years. Only off by about 4,599,993,000 years. Oh, BTW, when the Earth was created, our "days" were only about 10 hours long.

According to 2 Peter 3:8, a day unto God is as 1000 of our years. This I believe is the same as the days of creation.

2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Before Adam's fall, God said to Adam:


Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Now if this were after our current reckoning, this would make God a liar because Adam actually died 930 years according to our current time of reckoning.

Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Now if it was after the Lord's time according to 2 Peter 3:8, then Adam would have died within a day or 1000 years of our current time.

Look Ace, screw you. You give religion a bad name. Believe me when I tell you that:

1. I'm more religious and spiritual than you, more than you can even imagine.
2. This literal CROCK of BS you are trying to feed people out of your literal interpretation of Genesis stinks of the same ptolemaic nonsense 17th century Catholics used to burn Giordano Bruno at the stake.

The first few parts of Genesis were laid down principally just to give a metaphorical starting point and foundation for explaining the roots and origins of the Hebrew people.

Aren't you the hostile one. It is your own interpretation that it is metaphorical. Nowhere in the bible does it claim that Genesis chapter 1 or other chapters are metaphorical.

 

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[Yarddog]

Look, son, let me just cut to the chase.

The Earth is way older than 6,000 years. I bet this has been proven at least a dozen different, independent ways, by many specialists using several different measurement methods in many different fields.

• It has been proven in space science.
• It has been proven in archeological findings.
• It has been proven in geological findings.
• It has been proven in oceanographic studies.
• It has been proven in anthropological studies, history and findings.

Man did not just pop out of thin air 6,000 years ago.

When Moses wrote Genesis, he created a mythology in order to create a basis from which to begin the story of man, and the sad fact is that, the shortest, easiest way of explaining how things started was with man simply /there/ from the beginning, and central to both God, the universe, and the Earth.

what moses wrote was for those people thousands of years ago to understand. Of course what else could they understand except things in those basic terms?

 

[toobfreak]

Genesis 1:1

Look, dude, you brought a totally settled and established science practice into a religious forum and are trying to pass it off as if this were some kind of theory? Evolution is a FACT. Radiocarbon dating is a FACT. All of this and far more are facts of science and just because there is some range in the measurement outcome instead of being fixed within a week of a very lengthy time does not make the science invalid and justify trying to pass off this total nonsense farse about the Earth only being 6,000-7,000 years old as both being 'equally plausible theories' is utter garbage.

Go see a doctor.

You're literally trying to drag mankind back to the inquisitions of the 17th century when they burned people alive for not believing that the Earth and man were the center of everything only to justify and save their jobs by taking literally a few words or lines in a book that you don't even know who or when it was even written, then pass off all of these inconsistencies as just being magical?

You better go see a hospital. This is the 21st Century, not 1625.

 

[toobfreak]

what moses wrote was for those people thousands of years ago to understand. Of course what else could they understand except things in those basic terms?

NAILED IT.


I mean, just a century ago we still thought our Milky Way galaxy was "The Universe." Not only isn't it the universe, but it's barely even just a tiny weeny part of it. In fact, everything we can see everywhere even now is just but a small portion of it.

We can't even detect what the real game is.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Has anyone heard of that new matchmaking app for senior citizens? It's called carbon dating!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Look, dude, you brought a totally settled and established science practice into a religious forum and are trying to pass it off as if this were some kind of theory? Evolution is a FACT. Radiocarbon dating is a FACT. All of this and far more are facts of science and just because there is some range in the measurement outcome instead of being fixed within a week of a very lengthy time does not make the science invalid and justify trying to pass off this total nonsense farse about the Earth only being 6,000-7,000 years old as both being 'equally plausible theories' is utter garbage.

Go see a doctor.

You're literally trying to drag mankind back to the inquisitions of the 17th century when they burned people alive for not believing that the Earth and man were the center of everything only to justify and save their jobs by taking literally a few words or lines in a book that you don't even know who or when it was even written, then pass off all of these inconsistencies as just being magical?

You better go see a hospital. This is the 21st Century, not 1625.

You are incapable of having a reasoned discussion. He did not claim the earth was 7000 years old.

 

[braalian]

LDS dont believe that man and the earth are 6000 years old

They believe a lot of dumb stuff

 

[RetiredGySgt]

They believe a lot of dumb stuff

No we believe in God and Jesus, try it, it wont hurt.